Package: emacs;
Reported by: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> potorti.it>
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 11:33:01 UTC
Severity: normal
Found in version 30.1
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From: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> potorti.it> To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 30.1; display-timer Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:31:58 +0200
When I read mail with Rmail, I sometimes get a message "timer--activate: Timer already activate", which I supose is linked to display-time.
Even if rarely, I had situations in which the mail status in the mode line was not updated and I cured that using M-x display-time RET
I suspect the two above issues are related.
This time I had a look at list-timers and played with it, by hitting 'g' repeatedly until I saw this:
-1d 23h 59m 59.0s 1m display-time-event-handler
59.0s 1m appt-check
48m 57.2s 1h url-cookie-write-file
17h 7m 59.0s 1d diary
17h 8m 59.0s 1d sunrise-sunset
* 0.1s t csv-field-index
* 0.1s t show-paren-function
* 0.5s t #<subr F616e6f6e796d6f75732d6c616d626461_anonymous_lambda_11>
* 2.0s 2.0s garbage-collect
* 30.0s - desktop-auto-save
* 1m 0.0s t bibtex-parse-buffers-stealthily
I have no idea if the negative time is normal, but at first sight it does not look so, and I though it was nice to report.
Note that I have written a display-time-mail-function which is heavier than the standerd one: rather than looking for files existence it counts the number of "^From " patterns by calling grep, do not know if this could nake things more complex.
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;; Display status of mailboxes on the mode line.
;; The mailboxes are those contained in ~/.emacs.d/mail
(defun display-time-mail-files ()
"This function builds the mail indicator on the modeline.
It should be assigned to `display-time-mail-function' which, when
returning non-nil, makes the string in display-time-mail-string
to be shown. Always returns non-nil."
(let ((separator "|")
(mail-dir "~/.emacs.d/mail"))
(setq display-time-mail-string
;; Create a string like c|c|c|c where | is a separator and c is a character
;; indicating how many emails are in mail-file, for all mail files in mail-dir
;; Files are sorted alphabetically, the third character of their name is that
;; file's indicator mail-char in the created string.
(mapconcat
(lambda (mail-file)
(let ((mail-num (string-to-number
(shell-command-to-string (concat "grep --count '^From ' " mail-file))))
(mail-char (substring mail-file 26 27)))
(pcase mail-num
(0 (downcase mail-char))
((pred (> 10)) (number-to-string mail-num))
; ((pred (> 10)) "▁")
; ((pred (> 20)) "▂")
((pred (> 20)) "▃")
((pred (> 35)) "▄")
((pred (> 50)) "▅")
; ((pred (> 100)) "▆")
; ((pred (> 200)) "▇")
; ((pred (> 400)) "█")
(_ (upcase mail-char)))))
(directory-files mail-dir t "^[0-9]+\.")
separator))))
(setopt display-time-mail-function 'display-time-mail-files)
; display-time-mail-directory "~/Mail/Emacs-check-mail"
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In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.18.4, Xaw3d scroll
bars) of 2025-08-26, modified by Debian built on sbuild
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101016
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bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org:bug#79421; Package emacs.
(Wed, 10 Sep 2025 11:51:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #8 received at 79421 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> potorti.it> Cc: 79421 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#79421: 30.1; display-timer Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:50:06 +0300
> From: Francesco Potortì <pot <at> potorti.it> > Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:31:58 +0200 > > When I read mail with Rmail, I sometimes get a message "timer--activate: Timer already activate", which I supose is linked to display-time. I have display-time running in my production sessions, but never saw such a message, FWIW. But then my setup doesn't check for email as part of display-time, it only updates the time and the system load shown on the mode line. > Even if rarely, I had situations in which the mail status in the mode line was not updated and I cured that using M-x display-time RET > > I suspect the two above issues are related. I'm not sure. How about running with debug-on-message set to catch this message, and when it does, show the backtrace? > This time I had a look at list-timers and played with it, by hitting 'g' repeatedly until I saw this: > > -1d 23h 59m 59.0s 1m display-time-event-handler > 59.0s 1m appt-check > 48m 57.2s 1h url-cookie-write-file > 17h 7m 59.0s 1d diary > 17h 8m 59.0s 1d sunrise-sunset > * 0.1s t csv-field-index > * 0.1s t show-paren-function > * 0.5s t #<subr F616e6f6e796d6f75732d6c616d626461_anonymous_lambda_11> > * 2.0s 2.0s garbage-collect > * 30.0s - desktop-auto-save > * 1m 0.0s t bibtex-parse-buffers-stealthily > > I have no idea if the negative time is normal, but at first sight it does not look so, and I though it was nice to report. A timer with a negative time will never fire. Does your system ever go to sleep? If so, could it be that these negative values appear after the system is awaken? And what is your value of timer-max-repeats? If nothing else help, try writing a function which will periodically check this value, and tell you when it becomes negative. Then maybe you could figure out what causes it, and we can take it from there. > Note that I have written a display-time-mail-function which is heavier than the standerd one: rather than looking for files existence it counts the number of "^From " patterns by calling grep, do not know if this could nake things more complex. Not a very good idea, IMO: functions run off timers should not be expensive, because they delay the Emacs response to input.
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