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To see this, you need a directory containing many = files. In case it matters, I use the NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. Konrad From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Aug 07 08:56:48 2025 Received: (at 79189) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2025 12:56:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34015 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk0Aq-0006Ea-Em for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 08:56:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48854) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk0Ao-0006EO-MU for 79189@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 08:56:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uk0Ah-0005Pf-Hr; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 08:56:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=uMonU9AEdRherImB2J+y0mTOAmyQApyL9s4P0g0pfAE=; b=bOz5B7Cb5C9v FT/44t0aOVB9nunxleBiXeMYbxfRKs/kLV/MKwdwCkUKJisspo1k/eVOd5ZMjp/hk/iJkdrAM/W9Q 0WvD9wG+YVWghxCgPHkmx7Z98aPDf3KGvMxcCp/5cvxTILFaGIvdLH6pQlT9foWJPyJuGXej8xyea 0TZpA46ZW7JeBL34XIyQxwf03mz/IKuYz0Ztxf5Eh5AnSXEEzcvKV8hejgKdus1We2LDLfDqovCF3 socHF1NMys5laTvS9WW9VozjzpAClmOkJtlD89m1ZCTXtPoGkj1m6xytRC54lbpXfQmgWVUV26gZ4 JfIaGmwiYwlPxKbHB07C7Q==; Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300 Message-Id: <86ldnvqohm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Konrad Podczeck In-Reply-To: <8578FF53-5A43-4287-8D51-00C358D09DFB@univie.ac.at> (message from Konrad Podczeck on Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#79189: Open-file-dialog not properly installed (MacOS) References: <8578FF53-5A43-4287-8D51-00C358D09DFB@univie.ac.at> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79189 Cc: 79189@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Konrad Podczeck > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200 > > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it in the Systems default. To see this, you need a directory containing many files. In case it matters, I use the NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of macOS could try reproducing this and report back. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 16 06:42:06 2025 Received: (at 79189) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Aug 2025 10:42:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41210 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unEMQ-0007Vq-Be for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2025 06:42:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43162) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unEMN-0007VK-K9 for 79189@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2025 06:42:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1unEME-0005NT-NB; Sat, 16 Aug 2025 06:41:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=IzOBqEWKsK9ats/EEpClhHkb6+W8bFK/3/F891JcrEg=; b=NwWz6wsJyITMN8JNg7vc S7aJNH+NdHzoVQWDfeJ4efsQPb8lhbrfj/B/AS/DzSiX30a2pZMbTFT02ytkmqDaGCHMNxVZ21Hjl 8H6hPMEZ29j3cqQOPOY3t+XkIgSe8PNbgRpSJUTW2XGWrZm1oIp2z2+m/55rNd/iEc+AnFEiHDo/L ysSNaM2FIybaD767FAK6ApTAP2RK/YkeH5JF8oWj2YMKKUlgFeyl6xeYfMbSZ9vorDASzCs7lQ6qn Q9Sl7y25MvsL0moNNbrBDWHMUGRMxUpHxcgWGCHgOODIh/dhYC6jtBt9bToHYuD9iHW3uWoo70Pkg tQZG50x2pLRvhw==; Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:41:52 +0300 Message-Id: <86wm73k0pb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at, Alan Third , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gerd_M=F6llmann?= In-Reply-To: <86ldnvqohm.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#79189: Open-file-dialog not properly installed (MacOS) References: <8578FF53-5A43-4287-8D51-00C358D09DFB@univie.ac.at> <86ldnvqohm.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79189 Cc: 79189@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 79189@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > From: Konrad Podczeck > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200 > > > > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it in the Systems default. To see this, you need a directory containing many files. In case it matters, I use the NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. > > Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of macOS > could try reproducing this and report back. Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? 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[2003:e0:b72a:fd00:c93:af86:78da:11fb]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-3bb93862fe7sm5217521f8f.64.2025.08.16.04.03.50 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 16 Aug 2025 04:03:51 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#79189: Open-file-dialog not properly installed (MacOS) In-Reply-To: <86wm73k0pb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8578FF53-5A43-4287-8D51-00C358D09DFB@univie.ac.at> <86ldnvqohm.fsf@gnu.org> <86wm73k0pb.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:03:49 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79189 Cc: Alan Third , 79189@debbugs.gnu.org, konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Cc: 79189@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300 >> From: Eli Zaretskii >> >> > From: Konrad Podczeck >> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200 >> > >> > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open file dialog pops up but, >> > scrolling down and then for a fraction of a second, I see the file >> > names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it >> > in the Systems default. To see this, you need a directory >> > containing many files. In case it matters, I use the NS-port of >> > the Emacs-master branch. >> >> Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of macOS >> could try reproducing this and report back. > > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? I don't use NS anymore, sorry. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Aug 16 07:52:40 2025 Received: (at 79189) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Aug 2025 11:52:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41421 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unFSi-0005a9-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2025 07:52:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36266) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unFSd-0005Zp-MD for 79189@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2025 07:52:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1unFST-0000xj-9X; Sat, 16 Aug 2025 07:52:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=pivsVwxYMF5eZtPbooB5Rqhv9j97NmqY6AUCIRtQFmE=; b=J75h8gSifb5SmAs6gZvs wsSD0WKGbkvz7ASrKby5kFhl0SCQ5DA8Y3pdnLmXVwHeM9r1x3TUUHxz64qxcCzwjwz+o1bsFrM7d aCMGa6xTaANfV75Hh5/9MfUwwD5Bxlih39r+1jGKy8+r9hmN7c7KIuHuzFENy7ZC9K+8CpPJy4rWN UAbn8Yba8Lx/NJa6TnbybRjvO3conjhcY1ZirJvrQgM8Pv+lSlMYojchDNg4PL67cajvTEOb+0XGF WuIxWVN1paBiMDEQXLdIhSGoeHmb64cI96p4tKukbGDzkze78WzCrSo+uUx6UP1OKQNZLU52KGO+t Q1A6UqdxWritVw==; Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 14:52:19 +0300 Message-Id: <86ldnjjxfw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6llmann?= In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6llmann?= on Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:03:49 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#79189: Open-file-dialog not properly installed (MacOS) References: <8578FF53-5A43-4287-8D51-00C358D09DFB@univie.ac.at> <86ldnvqohm.fsf@gnu.org> <86wm73k0pb.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79189 Cc: alan@idiocy.org, 79189@debbugs.gnu.org, konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Gerd Möllmann > Cc: konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at, Alan Third , > 79189@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 13:03:49 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Cc: 79189@debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300 > >> From: Eli Zaretskii > >> > >> > From: Konrad Podczeck > >> > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200 > >> > > >> > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open file dialog pops up but, > >> > scrolling down and then for a fraction of a second, I see the file > >> > names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it > >> > in the Systems default. To see this, you need a directory > >> > containing many files. In case it matters, I use the NS-port of > >> > the Emacs-master branch. > >> > >> Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of macOS > >> could try reproducing this and report back. > > > > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? > > I don't use NS anymore, sorry. And in other macOS builds, which you do use, this problem doesn't happen? 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FWIW, I don't see anything noteworthy with mac. But I must add that I normally don't use the menu-bar at all, and in addition I have set-file-dialog nil in my init.el. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 17 16:43:37 2025 Received: (at 79189) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2025 20:43:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48039 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unkE4-0001xD-Pr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:43:37 -0400 Received: from dane.soverin.net ([2a10:de80:1:4091:b9e9:2229:0:1]:35333) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unkE0-0001wr-PN for 79189@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:43:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.soverin.net (unknown [10.10.4.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by dane.soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4c4nqf4YNpzqtJ; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 20:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.soverin.net (smtp.soverin.net [10.10.4.100]) by soverin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4c4nqf03tYzKX; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 20:43:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=idiocy.org; s=soverin; t=1755463406; bh=c2U7wjJpUZC/TB2bH0Z1w2bU+7CP8iY3iMRrJz4X04c=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=DZeV0YpMkpbnHytwd6zCxS/9srr4ILlB3GbazpRBhYJY9OWbDwzGXCUJVNwxdyrCV T/NqEw4VbjqtwNp99aqXKQ3NSIeiGP4f5z7+s0HzM6ppa4BXXTL03LBGy6WN6Pj9P6 fdn7SWZxb4zMmEvHJnJZF62QzeVAMcnbK4wKvO376i1h8O+e8pPGyXw6b8FRZ6Q2e0 gllBYNzopmLRUeKFua6bIOxUY/YnshLg3OQ9+sXgQk7wJSuqqTlZr8AVsMylGepRB+ OqIyLXvcVXp92Axt0aXkr5XMdBkgD4sHiJutTi4pjJHSRNj0hD8zCNwwjXgZuvyxMe /NeIIUIFJCgLA== Received: from localhost (faroe.holly.idiocy.org [local]) by faroe.holly.idiocy.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id e98f8fb2; Sun, 17 Aug 2025 20:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 21:43:25 +0100 From: Alan Third To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#79189: Open-file-dialog not properly installed (MacOS) Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: Alan Third , Eli Zaretskii , konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at, Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6llmann?= , 79189@debbugs.gnu.org References: <8578FF53-5A43-4287-8D51-00C358D09DFB@univie.ac.at> <86ldnvqohm.fsf@gnu.org> <86wm73k0pb.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86wm73k0pb.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spampanel-Class: ham X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79189 Cc: Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6llmann?= , 79189@debbugs.gnu.org, konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 01:41:52PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Cc: 79189@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300 > > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > > > From: Konrad Podczeck > > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200 > > > > > > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it in the Systems default. To see this, you need a directory containing many files. In case it matters, I use the NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. > > > > Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of macOS > > could try reproducing this and report back. > > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? I can't reproduce it, but that's no great surprise as I'm running an ancient version of macos. To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is describing, and since it's in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's anything we can do about it anyway. 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To see this, you need a directory containing many files. In case > it matters, I use the NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. > > > > > > Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of macO= S > > > could try reproducing this and report back. > > > > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? > > I can't reproduce it, but that's no great surprise as I'm running an > ancient version of macos. > > To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is describing, and since it's > in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's anything we can do about > it anyway. AFAIK we don't control or modify the display of the system > dialogues. > Is it possible that the value of 'use-dialog-box' is the issue? --000000000000d5539b063c95e726 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Sun, Aug 17, 2025 at 4:44=E2=80=AFPM Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> wrote:
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 01:41:52PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote= :
> > Cc: 79= 189@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300
> > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> >
> > > From: Konrad Podczeck <konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at>
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200
> > >
> > > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open file dialog = pops up but, scrolling down and then for a fraction of a second, I see the = file names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it in t= he Systems default. To see this, you need a directory containing many files= . In case it matters, I use the NS-port of the Emacs-master branch.
> >
> > Thanks.=C2=A0 What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope user= s of macOS
> > could try reproducing this and report back.
>
> Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS?

I can't reproduce it, but that's no great surprise as I'm runni= ng an
ancient version of macos.

To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is describing, and since it= 9;s
in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's anything we can do ab= out
it anyway. AFAIK we don't control or modify the display of the system dialogues.

Is it possible that the value of 'use-dialo= g-box' is the issue?
--000000000000d5539b063c95e726-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 18 07:05:37 2025 Received: (at 79189) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2025 11:05:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49471 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unxgH-0006h7-Ee for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 07:05:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56676) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unxgF-0006gr-12 for 79189@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 07:05:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1unxg5-0001N8-SF; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 07:05:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=sKzSArxNxZgWvMBzLfNLtvOqYv2OjeDJGUPf+W7cdS4=; b=Qjb06fO4mN3ubyJH2ffd VMl4mGqY0DAlYGza+xOCYUMvDKo6lLSXQANN0pNHU9p9ISRzSyCQsSr1fYPZq/F/txHOHt/6h5glX gTK4MFDu9gIQPPafkSWNxPjNEBA1fRdWZe3mKHS8R5UfnSd5C6eulhV15LWnSS5Jz7YeQCUeSLp0F c/pzwQpEQfdLW1d+ZiQSOzj9KKz5r68WwrcAqBFfWvgs8/F0/5lIy+BOcMVl3qntEMcLmDn/OXKfI Lh4jcJvh5QqeIbIvOxzM3qVbaUyaDbQ1+WhdOPA9KvPGlN+nDY5X3pJzWrId3SEMXLUJ3BM4em4e2 mj+Q/UdjJHjJzg==; Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 14:05:23 +0300 Message-Id: <86a53wj3f0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= Marks In-Reply-To: (message from =?utf-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= Marks on Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:59:46 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#79189: Open-file-dialog not properly installed (MacOS) References: <8578FF53-5A43-4287-8D51-00C358D09DFB@univie.ac.at> <86ldnvqohm.fsf@gnu.org> <86wm73k0pb.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79189 Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, alan@idiocy.org, 79189@debbugs.gnu.org, konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stéphane Marks > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:59:46 -0400 > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2025 at 4:44 PM Alan Third wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 01:41:52PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Cc: 79189@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300 > > > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > > > > > From: Konrad Podczeck > > > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200 > > > > > > > > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a > fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it in the > Systems default. To see this, you need a directory containing many files. In case it matters, I use the > NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. > > > > > > Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of macOS > > > could try reproducing this and report back. > > > > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? > > I can't reproduce it, but that's no great surprise as I'm running an > ancient version of macos. > > To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is describing, and since it's > in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's anything we can do about > it anyway. AFAIK we don't control or modify the display of the system > dialogues. > > Is it possible that the value of 'use-dialog-box' is the issue? In what way? Please elaborate. 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To see this, you need a directory containing many > files. In case it matters, I use the > > NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. > > > > > > > > Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of > macOS > > > > could try reproducing this and report back. > > > > > > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? > > > > I can't reproduce it, but that's no great surprise as I'm running an > > ancient version of macos. > > > > To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is describing, and since it's > > in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's anything we can do about > > it anyway. AFAIK we don't control or modify the display of the system > > dialogues. > > > > Is it possible that the value of 'use-dialog-box' is the issue? > > In what way? Please elaborate. > `use-dialog-box` docstring says "On some platforms, file selection dialogs are also enabled if this is non-nil." On NS, when nil, no dialogs appear using File...Open... When non-nil, the system dialog appears. 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= On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 7:05=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <shipmints@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2025 16:59:46 -0400
>
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2025 at 4:44=E2=80=AFPM Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 01:41:52PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=C2=A0 > > Cc: 79189@debbugs.gnu.org
>=C2=A0 > > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:56:37 +0300
>=C2=A0 > > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>=C2=A0 > >
>=C2=A0 > > > From: Konrad Podczeck <konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at= >
>=C2=A0 > > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200
>=C2=A0 > > >
>=C2=A0 > > > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open f= ile dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a
>=C2=A0 fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font f= or intangible text before I can see it in the
>=C2=A0 Systems default. To see this, you need a directory containing ma= ny files. In case it matters, I use the
>=C2=A0 NS-port of the Emacs-master branch.
>=C2=A0 > >
>=C2=A0 > > Thanks.=C2=A0 What you describe seems NS-specific, so = I hope users of macOS
>=C2=A0 > > could try reproducing this and report back.
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS?
>
>=C2=A0 I can't reproduce it, but that's no great surprise as I&= #39;m running an
>=C2=A0 ancient version of macos.
>
>=C2=A0 To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is describing, and = since it's
>=C2=A0 in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's anything w= e can do about
>=C2=A0 it anyway. AFAIK we don't control or modify the display of t= he system
>=C2=A0 dialogues.
>
> Is it possible that the value of 'use-dialog-box' is the issue= ?

In what way?=C2=A0 Please elaborate.

`use= -dialog-box` docstring says "On some platforms, file selection dialogs= are also enabled if this is
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On NS, when nil, no dialogs appear using File...Open...= =C2=A0 When non-nil, the system dialog appears.=C2=A0 Just verified.=
--0000000000000be451063ca29487-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 18 08:20:08 2025 Received: (at 79189) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Aug 2025 12:20:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49623 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unyqN-0004sY-RU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:20:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1unyqL-0004p6-1q for 79189@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:20:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1unyqD-00045j-H7; Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:19:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=wk+Jjy8mKhjnfcyVFjV/H3x3/brcpMeS/s0qyNNjfLg=; b=hKCJuD50MiZ+t2khfF9H s3vyAIKE2aHOU4q4XHqEVQCeqpSqTH+6manyUMR8yw3oQEhaNjis/vyZ/or61sZSDPP89Rw2noCIL zGudJQjGjs4aluzBgT7z3HtLLc/h/aX9vHq3JvMV5y7V86P1t9081OCCbleN4gGvxc2XduIa8chr2 hpZUqOQ2Cgiif5gfltVybLvAJOJjEf0o46LE/U28WTzwbL264OKa6d/qF+swXDE5jRFLYKewB2/z5 wnIPWupT4bF4qfa04ZNcgf6J2IzqygE/ynk16EnQYhjDvgR72sUGvbt3JQ4WD1IcTpU8aXn0NrCue 4jQrzDoVCZydrg==; Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 15:19:53 +0300 Message-Id: <86wm70hlee.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= Marks In-Reply-To: (message from =?utf-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= Marks on Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:06:54 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#79189: Open-file-dialog not properly installed (MacOS) References: <8578FF53-5A43-4287-8D51-00C358D09DFB@univie.ac.at> <86ldnvqohm.fsf@gnu.org> <86wm73k0pb.fsf@gnu.org> <86a53wj3f0.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79189 Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, alan@idiocy.org, 79189@debbugs.gnu.org, konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stéphane Marks > Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:06:54 -0400 > Cc: alan@idiocy.org, konrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, > 79189@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > > From: Konrad Podczeck > > > > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200 > > > > > > > > > > Issuing menu>file>open file ..., the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a > > fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it in > the > > Systems default. To see this, you need a directory containing many files. In case it matters, I use the > > NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. > > > > > > > > Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users of macOS > > > > could try reproducing this and report back. > > > > > > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? > > > > I can't reproduce it, but that's no great surprise as I'm running an > > ancient version of macos. > > > > To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is describing, and since it's > > in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's anything we can do about > > it anyway. AFAIK we don't control or modify the display of the system > > dialogues. > > > > Is it possible that the value of 'use-dialog-box' is the issue? > > In what way? Please elaborate. > > `use-dialog-box` docstring says "On some platforms, file selection dialogs are also enabled if this is > non-nil." > > On NS, when nil, no dialogs appear using File...Open... When non-nil, the system dialog appears. Just > verified. Thanks, but the menu popping up is not the issue here, AFAIU. The issue is this weird behavior of the file selection dialog: ... the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font for intangible text before I can see it in the Systems default By contrast, you seem to be saying that the file selection dialog might or might not pop up, depending on use-dialog-box. But that's not the issue at hand. 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To see this, you need a directory containing many > files. In case it matters, I use the > > > NS-port of the Emacs-master branch. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. What you describe seems NS-specific, so I hope users o= f > macOS > > > > > could try reproducing this and report back. > > > > > > > > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS? > > > > > > I can't reproduce it, but that's no great surprise as I'm running a= n > > > ancient version of macos. > > > > > > To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is describing, and since > it's > > > in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's anything we can do > about > > > it anyway. AFAIK we don't control or modify the display of the syst= em > > > dialogues. > > > > > > Is it possible that the value of 'use-dialog-box' is the issue? > > > > In what way? Please elaborate. > > > > `use-dialog-box` docstring says "On some platforms, file selection > dialogs are also enabled if this is > > non-nil." > > > > On NS, when nil, no dialogs appear using File...Open... When non-nil, > the system dialog appears. Just > > verified. > > Thanks, but the menu popping up is not the issue here, AFAIU. The > issue is this weird behavior of the file selection dialog: > > ... the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a > fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font for > intangible text before I can see it in the Systems default > > By contrast, you seem to be saying that the file selection dialog > might or might not pop up, depending on use-dialog-box. But that's > not the issue at hand. > Okay got it. I just reenabled the dialog and used it a bunch of times on long directories and it's fine. I honestly don't see how NS could influence the dialog box as it's implemented in the macOS system library vis NSOpenPanel. Just took a quick look at nsfns.m and nsxwidget.m and it's hard to see how Emacs can affect NSOpenPanel's rendering. Perhaps a faulty system font, if the user isn't using the default macOS one? --0000000000006f7a1a063ca30345 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Mon, Aug 18, 2025 at 8:20=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: St=C3=A9phane Marks <shipmints@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 08:06:54 -0400
> Cc: alan@idiocy.o= rg, k= onrad.podczeck@univie.ac.at, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A079189@debbugs.gnu.org
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>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > > > From: Konrad Podczeck <konrad.podczeck@univi= e.ac.at>
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2025 13:54:37 +0200 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > > >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > > > Issuing menu>file>open file ...,= the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Sys= tems font for intangible text before I can see it in
>=C2=A0 the
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Systems default. To see this, you need a directory co= ntaining many files. In case it matters, I use the
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 NS-port of the Emacs-master branch.
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > > Thanks.=C2=A0 What you describe seems NS-sp= ecific, so I hope users of macOS
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > > could try reproducing this and report back.=
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Alan and Gerd, do you see this problem on macOS?=
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 I can't reproduce it, but that's no great sur= prise as I'm running an
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ancient version of macos.
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 To be honest I'm not sure what the issue is descr= ibing, and since it's
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 in a system dialogue box I'm not sure there's= anything we can do about
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 it anyway. AFAIK we don't control or modify the d= isplay of the system
>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 dialogues.
>=C2=A0 >
>=C2=A0 > Is it possible that the value of 'use-dialog-box' i= s the issue?
>
>=C2=A0 In what way?=C2=A0 Please elaborate.
>
> `use-dialog-box` docstring says "On some platforms, file selectio= n dialogs are also enabled if this is
> non-nil."
>
> On NS, when nil, no dialogs appear using File...Open...=C2=A0 When non= -nil, the system dialog appears.=C2=A0 Just
> verified.

Thanks, but the menu popping up is not the issue here, AFAIU.=C2=A0 The
issue is this weird behavior of the file selection dialog:

=C2=A0 ... the open file dialog pops up but, scrolling down and then for a<= br> =C2=A0 fraction of a second, I see the file names in the Systems font for =C2=A0 intangible text before I can see it in the Systems default

By contrast, you seem to be saying that the file selection dialog
might or might not pop up, depending on use-dialog-box.=C2=A0 But that'= s
not the issue at hand.

Okay got it.=C2=A0 I just reenabled= the dialog and used it a bunch of times on long directories and it's f= ine.=C2=A0 I honestly don't see how NS could influence the dialog box a= s it's implemented in the macOS system library vis NSOpenPanel.=C2=A0 J= ust took a quick look at nsfns.m and nsxwidget.m and it's hard to see h= ow Emacs can affect NSOpenPanel's=C2=A0rendering.=C2=A0 Perhaps a fault= y system font, if the user isn't using the default macOS one?
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