Subject: bug#79182: 30.1; emacs becomes progressively less responsive up to become unusable

From: Francesco Potortì <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2025 11:30:58 +0200

I usually launch Emacs and do not exit it for weeks.  I run the Debian emacs-lucid build running on three terminals: the Screen terminal emulator, an X Windows terminal displayed on two physical side-by-side monitors and a remote X Windows terminal managed by Xpra (a sort of graphic Screen).  I use remotely both the terminal managed by Screen and the one managed by Xpra.

Starting some months ago (maybe six months?) I have observed that Emacs becomes gradually less responsive to user keypresses, to the point that it slows down my workflow significantly.  Restarting it solves the problem.  The effect is very gradual, and becomes unbearable after two or three weeks.  For example, now I am at the point of having to restart Emacs and I see that ~/.emacs.desktop.lock is dated 18 July, which is 20 days ago.

The effect I observe is a noticeable delay from the moment I press a key to the moment I see the effect on Emacs, on any terminal.  This is less evident while I am writing without pauses such as in this moment.  I observe next to no delay while writing.  But after any pause, which may be even one or two seconds long, I observe delays of at least half a second and up to some seconds from a keypress to Emacs reacting to it.  This happens with any Emacs command, including self-insert-command.  The effect is particularly grave on graphics terminals and complex buffers.  I just observed a delay of more than 10s on an Eww buffer after a PgDn keypress.  Occasionally I observe an even more wrringoy behaviour.  If keep pressing keys when Emacs is stalled, I see that the first keypresses are lost, which sometimes causes unpredictable behaviour.

Since the problem builds up gradually in the course of many days, I have never considered reproducing it under emacs -Q, but now that the problem does not go away with ebia ugDpnrades and has gone on for several months at least, I am wondering how I can try to debug it.  I need some guidance on that, because I have not programmed in C for at least ten years by now, and while I was used to use gdb, I have never been proficient at debugging complex situations.

One possibility would be that Emacs responsiveness degrades even if it is not used.  So I may run an emacs -Q process and let it run there, unused, with only some activity running in the background, like for example display-time.

If I am not wrong I should follow something along these steps:
1) download some Emacs snapshot and compile it with debugging symbols
2) run it as usual under gdb
3) run inside Screen under gdb one more emacs -Q 
4) run inside Screen under gdb one more emacs -Q and M-x display-time

Before trying to do that I need to know if the symptoms I describe are somewhat known already and if I can do some debuggiong at the elisp level before resorting to gdb.  If I need gdb, I'd use some help with details of the steps 1-4 above.

In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.18.4, Xaw3d scroll
 bars) of 2025-03-30, modified by Debian built on sbuild
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101016
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 13 (trixie)

Configured using:
 'configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr --sharedstatedir=/var/lib
 --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var/lib --infodir=/usr/share/info
 --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes
 --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/30.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
 --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
 --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var/lib
 --infodir=/usr/share/info --mandir=/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=yes
 --enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/30.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp
 --with-sound=alsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils --with-x=yes --with-x-toolkit=lucid
 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars --without-gsettings 'CFLAGS=-g -O2
 -Werror=implicit-function-declaration
 -ffile-prefix-map=/build/reproducible-path/emacs-30.1+1=. -fstack-protector-strong
 -fstack-clash-protection -Wformat -Werror=format-security -fcf-protection -Wall'
 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro'

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD
LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3
THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XAW3D XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM LUCID ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LC_COLLATE: it_IT.UTF-8
  value of $LC_CTYPE: it_IT.UTF-8
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: C
  value of $LANG: C.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: eww

Minor modes in effect:
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  server-mode: t
  desktop-save-mode: t
  epa-global-mail-mode: t
  openwith-mode: t
  display-time-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  column-number-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  indent-tabs-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t

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