From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Jake Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 03:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 79145@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.175410486526057 (code B ref -1); Sat, 02 Aug 2025 03:22:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2025 03:21:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60438 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ui2nv-0006m4-G2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 23:21:05 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:45574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ui2nr-0006kx-19 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 23:21:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ui2nf-00033r-D6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 23:20:47 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-x429.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::429]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ui2nb-0003Vh-NI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 23:20:47 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-x429.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-3b7910123a0so2787864f8f.1 for ; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 20:20:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1754104841; x=1754709641; darn=gnu.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WK9Jd7gjuxiHupU/2BN4fdVtfvWlCpIhw1LynpNwfqk=; b=VJv2GO17yb15fv5XjOCHyOPyiU6A8IiDgKlk5P3TsYbFUU7/AgnVUKD63YlpYylkXT f4kS84qXACWiRR/IKanDasX55qLX7wnIKuzIcX2K797UfLmsBgOfVmqQoAsyyW01ZxsX 4FLlrgWS9Dwo+5QcXTEB8px4RZ5nx6e71JmgLdVptJhI1suDxbcqAoXgIkw6WKaG8HJO UvsXdgiiKGPp/COHhb5b/UcPfvDbm0egdXZ8GX3CdXqGIQUdfV4iEmkaQ2qUbHhlwBGq Gl7t0c0thULayVRe3a/BZGoDfByKpxeJ700ZmGnHSdXy37BEAYyTkdGpsSeUQRkqlO1I SvaA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1754104841; x=1754709641; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WK9Jd7gjuxiHupU/2BN4fdVtfvWlCpIhw1LynpNwfqk=; b=EqmNeEnbFKG33E3hC1utQMBTka5qIGX0Wx49AbpNM3aGJPTlmAlDDhXqZkdD8x3inU dE7XNY4BvCDmmBsNzLmMPvxPaw2g5/0/LlC7gcyk0+uD4/z8SU/5j2gdzlZ3QPUrMNcF mFbX91we/sn4o9GM11Dqo+v/YP24YMlUZ14RsHxRVhbd39y2rKXH7XlxixEz/mNbZAeL SMziduY6c1yw7Qp8lcJvq1Y+26QitHINwQxAGSzgVFMmYOj951BfcKq8uzkACO5eUHsY rh84OOWe8LhUUslURSyLdbueKBR9z8SFHudUES4U/A1zkkoHYiQGkjguZf+sDT9PvRQQ FPpg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx2guQ+Eew849WNEdBrUF5FQbWetcVkS6LoZ5qStYxXRVGu2lJ7 iTliG/rzUwmlx8h4g5L5Kc5c5lFKPm57jltiQfZBYWl/wbLxdFm4qmWe8LUuxOt3MvNl5PcmdRI xh5KW0k/5Aztmn4mzBZyQSWox0auuSun40nMs X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncufgPCM0w5Pn4JqlhdLp9qUVdabtnyMo8AR+TE/9OthIlWdFFdwJB2Ki3PJzz1 A48ddWgjDkuVDQGyQJj+mL10ijZ914QsVV+yb49Jd9f7ZsH/ocpIAduA4lJMfnaBXGUhn9Y4/t5 nMAOVhVZzFcx5R34HZCmWuznRELdU36T9HD1CyYp/reS9y2LdGxsmS/SWYaI+Gg0fbW/zBYXwhh 94LuC4arolQo+FNMcw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHHuPRNSgUO6AXZwb3mM/QMJDMJCuReDzARlGUzZ1vttz9gIdvdKFpa5JWXb5fQez1gaIZZMb79TnoEfdzIabk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:2408:b0:3b7:9c79:3293 with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-3b8d94d01cbmr1194250f8f.58.1754104840289; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 20:20:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jake Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2025 03:20:29 +0000 X-Gm-Features: Ac12FXwz5LOtbDM5WI6a71yf2HLt0JBzelxud5c-DmR4DrmzLMNnyQsul6dOP1Q Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::429; envelope-from=jforst.mailman@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x429.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Hello When a buffer visits a file using doc-view-mode and auto-revert-mode is enabled in that buffer, Emacs emits the message "Type C-c C-c to toggle between editing or viewing the document." every time the file is changed. The message is not appropriate when the major mode of the current buffer is not doc-view-mode. >From emacs -Q: 1. Visit a PDF file 2. M-x auto-revert-mode 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed 5. Observe the message Thanks Jake In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.43, cairo version 1.18.4) Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101015 System Description: Guix System Configured using: 'configure CONFIG_SHELL=/gnu/store/nnx8iifrj6jfih4sivivq17cf65aa968-bash-minimal-5.2.37/bin/bash SHELL=/gnu/store/nnx8iifrj6jfih4sivivq17cf65aa968-bash-minimal-5.2.37/bin/bash --prefix=/gnu/store/khjxdrx5miba6da2lv0748gk4a3dh59w-emacs-next-31.0.50-1.9663c95 --enable-fast-install --with-cairo --with-modules --with-native-compilation=aot 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -Wno-error=incompatible-pointer-types' --disable-build-details' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINERAMA XINPUT2 XPM XRANDR GTK3 ZLIB Important 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tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process tty-child-frames native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 49034 10285) (symbols 48 5455 0) (strings 32 13968 2152) (string-bytes 1 499232) (vectors 16 9187) (vector-slots 8 129967 5288) (floats 8 22 13) (intervals 56 323 22) (buffers 992 11)) From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 07:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jake , Tassilo Horn Cc: 79145@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175411863212511 (code B ref 79145); Sat, 02 Aug 2025 07:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2025 07:10:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33481 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ui6Nz-0003Fi-Ud for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 03:10:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59176) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ui6Nw-0003FI-Jq for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 03:10:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ui6Nq-0004PK-Qr; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 03:10:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=pq3emRV1ucJEGwJa3PjJ8E9Jg+IoAcXdR/4/+xmIOe0=; b=fv2wwrsppzg+ lV5sw4NlBpi+ZI9VazAEf0GwM3c9tk1ljldbpnZt6jsRKfVJwDFOWjhfcEesYn4i3K5X7XKVQBQA1 lKRFyVDhMwPB4gGjtya+Lw1KAkJ6wCbyNjRVreFMc66mAYH4HtKYWk4mC08CvEtlrDZ4Izl57BP3R mBsnI4Nu2hZlGZ8Pp7J0Rvj54fZWN/pXBfsoEZgaoiolBSK9NsWJu6DQkAK4cEySXQ0rNX4JtHtCh AJQiKLe1UX0xPKbUobZ4qghm240K0qOU15Clk6tBYQPHYa5cpY8guyHmOlOfbIvFbEwYZm3Ry0wf7 RMeOiynHfl+wqUAfw/4Omg==; Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 10:10:15 +0300 Message-Id: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Jake on Sat, 2 Aug 2025 03:20:29 +0000) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Jake > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2025 03:20:29 +0000 > > When a buffer visits a file using doc-view-mode and auto-revert-mode > is enabled in that buffer, Emacs emits the message > "Type C-c C-c to toggle between editing or viewing the document." > every time the file is changed. The message is not appropriate when > the major mode of the current buffer is not doc-view-mode. > > >From emacs -Q: > 1. Visit a PDF file > 2. M-x auto-revert-mode > 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer > 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed > 5. Observe the message Thanks. Tassilo, any comments or suggestions? From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Tassilo Horn Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 07:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Jake , 79145@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175411983518404 (code B ref 79145); Sat, 02 Aug 2025 07:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2025 07:30:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33638 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ui6hP-0004mm-Ay for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 03:30:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ui6hL-0004mF-Fo for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 03:30:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ui6hF-0007Km-VF; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 03:30:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=kyCV21dgV4qpNkRTYsiaCzLMaLgVy1TdktlE/XK/Kjc=; b=LW04eaqJpfudV0HjidIe vu100w4Ziot/WT7HNYj/ZN4VwmHjWDZT0mSnfElL5QwMHrlt9HsU/h+KD4L80aaP4Tqb7Jzasp+Hl P5dKXhXGaFuYov17Pnx/8XEIkOcUYx/DVye9kI+KjCbDgECo9t9+B+hck/1FGFbRm/7DtqobHhW+w Eqq0bzssOLAPNh5vys4NKECbS+REF10afODF3cc6Y0ILZxP/97JzImLAvIqsmWScUCP5fnJ7wAXZ1 po78ggbk+Tx6L4Vftnbua4sVI9gS497IRZ8WXHbLxHMicYdkBSAirOdr6r11DmeRrHfCwoVGgSXUf K8QWd7FOTFi7fw==; X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdefgddutdehleekucetufdoteggodetrf dotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceu rghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujf gurhephffvvefujghffgffkfggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvfgrshhsihhl ohcujfhorhhnuceothhsughhsehgnhhurdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelud dvgeefuddvjeekfeetleegtefgveehhfeuffeuffeghefgueefgfdvffegtdenucevlhhu shhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehthhhorhhnodhmvg hsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqdekieejfeekjeekgedqieefhedvleek qdhtshguhheppehgnhhurdhorhhgsehfrghsthhmrghilhdrfhhmpdhnsggprhgtphhtth hopeefpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopeejledugeehseguvggssghu ghhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepjhhfohhrshhtrdhmrghilhhmrghnsehgmh grihhlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ib2b94485:Fastmail From: Tassilo Horn In-Reply-To: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.12; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 09:30:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, >> When a buffer visits a file using doc-view-mode and auto-revert-mode >> is enabled in that buffer, Emacs emits the message "Type C-c C-c to >> toggle between editing or viewing the document." every time the file >> is changed. The message is not appropriate when the major mode of >> the current buffer is not doc-view-mode. >> >> >From emacs -Q: >> 1. Visit a PDF file >> 2. M-x auto-revert-mode >> 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer >> 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed >> 5. Observe the message > > Tassilo, any comments or suggestions? Jake's observation is certainly true but it's not really doc-view specific. A similar case is shown by this recipe: 1. open dired for /tmp and enable dired-omit-mode and auto-revert-mode 2. visit a different buffer 3. touch /tmp/foo in a terminal 4. observe the message "Omitting XX lines in /tmp" So Jake's request can be broadened to something like "buffer-bound modes should suppress messages when their buffer is not visible". I'm not sure if I'd want that. And how to implement it. I guess we certainly don't want to visit each (message...) in Emacs to check if it's appropriate to show in the "buffer not visible" case... 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I'm not sure if I'd want that. Is it necessary to broaden it? I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s a proble= m in general to get updates about other buffers. It is an issue in this case because of the content of the message. Cheers Jake On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 at 5:00=E2=80=AFpm, Tassilo Horn wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Hi Eli, > > >> When a buffer visits a file using doc-view-mode and auto-revert-mode > >> is enabled in that buffer, Emacs emits the message "Type C-c C-c to > >> toggle between editing or viewing the document." every time the file > >> is changed. The message is not appropriate when the major mode of > >> the current buffer is not doc-view-mode. > >> > >> >From emacs -Q: > >> 1. Visit a PDF file > >> 2. M-x auto-revert-mode > >> 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer > >> 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed > >> 5. Observe the message > > > > Tassilo, any comments or suggestions? > > Jake's observation is certainly true but it's not really doc-view > specific. A similar case is shown by this recipe: > > 1. open dired for /tmp and enable dired-omit-mode and auto-revert-mode > 2. visit a different buffer > 3. touch /tmp/foo in a terminal > 4. observe the message "Omitting XX lines in /tmp" > > So Jake's request can be broadened to something like "buffer-bound modes > should suppress messages when their buffer is not visible". I'm not > sure if I'd want that. And how to implement it. I guess we certainly > don't want to visit each (message...) in Emacs to check if it's > appropriate to show in the "buffer not visible" case... > > Bye, > Tassilo > --000000000000ade89f063b5d43cd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tassilo

Thanks for looking into this!

>=C2=A0S= o Jake's request can be broadened to something like "buffer-bound = modes
sho= uld suppress messages when their buffer is not visible".=C2=A0 I'm= not
sure if I'd want that.

=
Is it necessary to broaden it?=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99= t think it=E2=80=99s=C2=A0a problem in general to get updates about other b= uffers.=C2=A0 It is an issue in this case because of the content of the mes= sage.

Cheers
Jake

On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 at 5:00=E2=80=AFpm, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote:
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

Hi Eli,

>> When a buffer visits a file using doc-view-mode and auto-revert-mo= de
>> is enabled in that buffer, Emacs emits the message "Type C-c = C-c to
>> toggle between editing or viewing the document."=C2=A0 every = time the file
>> is changed.=C2=A0 The message is not appropriate when the major mo= de of
>> the current buffer is not doc-view-mode.
>>
>> >From emacs -Q:
>> 1. Visit a PDF file
>> 2. M-x auto-revert-mode
>> 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer
>> 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed
>> 5. Observe the message
>
> Tassilo, any comments or suggestions?

Jake's observation is certainly true but it's not really doc-view specific.=C2=A0 A similar case is shown by this recipe:

1. open dired for /tmp and enable dired-omit-mode and auto-revert-mode
2. visit a different buffer
3. touch /tmp/foo in a terminal
4. observe the message "Omitting XX lines in /tmp"

So Jake's request can be broadened to something like "buffer-bound= modes
should suppress messages when their buffer is not visible".=C2=A0 I= 9;m not
sure if I'd want that.=C2=A0 And how to implement it.=C2=A0 I guess we = certainly
don't want to visit each (message...) in Emacs to check if it's
appropriate to show in the "buffer not visible" case...

Bye,
Tassilo
--000000000000ade89f063b5d43cd-- From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 08:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Tassilo Horn , Michael Albinus Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175412187227083 (code B ref 79145); Sat, 02 Aug 2025 08:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2025 08:04:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33836 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ui7EF-00072j-Ne for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 04:04:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34586) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ui7ED-00072O-N2 for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 04:04:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ui7E7-00030N-Rx; Sat, 02 Aug 2025 04:04:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ns+I8Fj+T5a6AjxOWvTaegO7GFwF43YU2ZFA3qZSNxk=; b=jRHbCIS2MZBF HFKQZ5qS78zOfDu7VDDNWDrhc33bR3tmGwz4l4SLGUweOk/nvaXB33HERLlaf21JPDFyc0Yiv0Col RYqU0p0DmfwbG5f6eUmrTrNTdNX5ccxDjv3gLOzwhyUbv2GVe+/jh6Fj1S/njpd1SZ9bL9wcv9+S0 LwDMCAuCPAyfMZ4iuHX+UjV0ZPFHetI0P17GxzSe9QL9/lWpZXqfDQrnlzTe5l6o0tVMVjZZWE7PY zeq2/sG66vmjwXOLhTzeXNCbLRlRYn+r6cCVFITExdpz70Oa1d+o6pEeddKCa/FRl7Hb4gfDnjZuJ NRD5zhGATkr21u5Lzk+GSw==; Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 11:04:14 +0300 Message-Id: <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Tassilo Horn on Sat, 02 Aug 2025 09:30:13 +0200) References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tassilo Horn > Cc: Jake , 79145@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 09:30:13 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Hi Eli, > > >> When a buffer visits a file using doc-view-mode and auto-revert-mode > >> is enabled in that buffer, Emacs emits the message "Type C-c C-c to > >> toggle between editing or viewing the document." every time the file > >> is changed. The message is not appropriate when the major mode of > >> the current buffer is not doc-view-mode. > >> > >> >From emacs -Q: > >> 1. Visit a PDF file > >> 2. M-x auto-revert-mode > >> 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer > >> 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed > >> 5. Observe the message > > > > Tassilo, any comments or suggestions? > > Jake's observation is certainly true but it's not really doc-view > specific. A similar case is shown by this recipe: > > 1. open dired for /tmp and enable dired-omit-mode and auto-revert-mode > 2. visit a different buffer > 3. touch /tmp/foo in a terminal > 4. observe the message "Omitting XX lines in /tmp" > > So Jake's request can be broadened to something like "buffer-bound modes > should suppress messages when their buffer is not visible". I'm not > sure if I'd want that. And how to implement it. I guess we certainly > don't want to visit each (message...) in Emacs to check if it's > appropriate to show in the "buffer not visible" case... Perhaps some revert-mode specific variable that modes could bind to suppress these messages? Michael, any suggestions? 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emits the message "Type C-c C-c to >> >> toggle between editing or viewing the document." every time the file >> >> is changed. The message is not appropriate when the major mode of >> >> the current buffer is not doc-view-mode. >> >> >> >> >From emacs -Q: >> >> 1. Visit a PDF file >> >> 2. M-x auto-revert-mode >> >> 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer >> >> 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed >> >> 5. Observe the message >> > >> > Tassilo, any comments or suggestions? >> >> Jake's observation is certainly true but it's not really doc-view >> specific. A similar case is shown by this recipe: >> >> 1. open dired for /tmp and enable dired-omit-mode and auto-revert-mode >> 2. visit a different buffer >> 3. touch /tmp/foo in a terminal >> 4. observe the message "Omitting XX lines in /tmp" >> >> So Jake's request can be broadened to something like "buffer-bound modes >> should suppress messages when their buffer is not visible". I'm not >> sure if I'd want that. And how to implement it. I guess we certainly >> don't want to visit each (message...) in Emacs to check if it's >> appropriate to show in the "buffer not visible" case... > > Perhaps some revert-mode specific variable that modes could bind to > suppress these messages? Michael, any suggestions? In auto-revert-handler, we have the user option auto-revert-verbose. But this is responsible only for the global "Reverting buffer `buffer'" message. The other messages are emitted by the respective mode-specific revert functions. So they must be suppressed there. In the dired case, the "Omitting ..." message could be suppressed by let-binding dired-omit-verbose in dired-omit-expunge like --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (dired-omit-verbose (and dired-omit-verbose (eq (get-buffer-window) (selected-window)))) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- In dov-view, there must be a similar check in doc-view-minor-mode before emitting the message accused by this bug report. If we want to have a general mechanism, we need a new variable auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p which could be consulted by the several mode-specific revert functions implementations. Or we extend the meaning of revert-buffer-in-progress-p to the values nil, t, and `auto'. The latter indicates, that the revert process has been started by auto-revert. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 13:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175457311229322 (code B ref 79145); Thu, 07 Aug 2025 13:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2025 13:25:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk0cJ-0007bI-Io for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 09:25:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk0cG-0007Xe-GC for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 09:25:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uk0c9-00043c-74; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 09:25:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wRYQ/PIi3REKvOfvDugz2MQkO4qUIYsh/fVS8L45IXU=; b=d91jwzo+z3qG Cu7sCl21WNRsuyHcXDiuNOHawzVqjvjLp2ohhArGSCa2P3Mp1y4+WLZK2Z0BADom6l9tzVGegMg+I 2O7uhArOTovJdtNcJdNr5pyG7h3txE2iupTWsrmstUStmfOrw8sOWh8dn/Kk5IYH0MgHKH3mM8zHx Eg6lxqu5RoQ2v1nhm29GTWGkaXbjxDMvfJ/GDAIujDmPNjdvmHufUo6Bn+rPo9gXsB9uhnmGNhsBz ulYKJ7xeC7/2dRbIutnGBCHS/JLOltyWia3xdYzEzt9mSU/ZBNtCY3tqP9YdwvFqaVa4b+0rWevXc j3QxmojyMnR++qZctG7DUw==; Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 16:24:52 +0300 Message-Id: <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Mon, 04 Aug 2025 11:36:26 +0200) References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: Tassilo Horn , jforst.mailman@gmail.com, > 79145@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2025 11:36:26 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Hi Eli, > > >> >> When a buffer visits a file using doc-view-mode and auto-revert-mode > >> >> is enabled in that buffer, Emacs emits the message "Type C-c C-c to > >> >> toggle between editing or viewing the document." every time the file > >> >> is changed. The message is not appropriate when the major mode of > >> >> the current buffer is not doc-view-mode. > >> >> > >> >> >From emacs -Q: > >> >> 1. Visit a PDF file > >> >> 2. M-x auto-revert-mode > >> >> 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer > >> >> 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed > >> >> 5. Observe the message > >> > > >> > Tassilo, any comments or suggestions? > >> > >> Jake's observation is certainly true but it's not really doc-view > >> specific. A similar case is shown by this recipe: > >> > >> 1. open dired for /tmp and enable dired-omit-mode and auto-revert-mode > >> 2. visit a different buffer > >> 3. touch /tmp/foo in a terminal > >> 4. observe the message "Omitting XX lines in /tmp" > >> > >> So Jake's request can be broadened to something like "buffer-bound modes > >> should suppress messages when their buffer is not visible". I'm not > >> sure if I'd want that. And how to implement it. I guess we certainly > >> don't want to visit each (message...) in Emacs to check if it's > >> appropriate to show in the "buffer not visible" case... > > > > Perhaps some revert-mode specific variable that modes could bind to > > suppress these messages? Michael, any suggestions? > > In auto-revert-handler, we have the user option auto-revert-verbose. But > this is responsible only for the global "Reverting buffer `buffer'" > message. > > The other messages are emitted by the respective mode-specific revert > functions. So they must be suppressed there. > > In the dired case, the "Omitting ..." message could be suppressed by > let-binding dired-omit-verbose in dired-omit-expunge like > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > (dired-omit-verbose (and dired-omit-verbose (eq (get-buffer-window) (selected-window)))) > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > In dov-view, there must be a similar check in doc-view-minor-mode before > emitting the message accused by this bug report. > > If we want to have a general mechanism, we need a new variable > auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p which could be consulted by the several > mode-specific revert functions implementations. Or we extend the meaning > of revert-buffer-in-progress-p to the values nil, t, and `auto'. The > latter indicates, that the revert process has been started by > auto-revert. I think I'd prefer the general-mechanism solution. Would someone like to work on a patch along those lines? 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mode-specific revert functions implementations. Or we extend the meaning >> of revert-buffer-in-progress-p to the values nil, t, and `auto'. The >> latter indicates, that the revert process has been started by >> auto-revert. > > I think I'd prefer the general-mechanism solution. Would someone like > to work on a patch along those lines? I could work on the general mechanism. Which variant do you prefer, extending revert-buffer-in-progress-p or a new auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p? Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 18:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org, tsdh@gnu.org Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175459165123762 (code B ref 79145); Thu, 07 Aug 2025 18:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2025 18:34:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35913 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5RK-0006BC-LY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:34:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45822) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5RH-0006An-UW for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:34:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5RC-0005bu-FQ; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:34:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=W2XPRsQCp0cQewK5C84O85hbVXFcXiraBckpAbHOXTY=; b=o+HDaB1bEBW/ u6uBOO0dUelZP8Il7JzVUKLyl6B2nsFBN6GggE169MgyVK3vpHthUe3S/xkYh6Gj/I24QE/5rmqym Y/RJCfC49A9HjT2W8zefqw8eFmgUhNHBB0gVrofacpu63fW9zjmsRLXS+rsLL0jMPnEeQElRSYTlT ZK+7x1U+NdLTqAXMIQs5ie1JhKFQrARsRrtv1wCcFmOccPFmVRrDprPTuVgHrg6IWuvL7hBiAI5Q9 1Ox8MjZsS31dxZ6/tY3atdXt85E3XFXczDw5KntfeoEyLoCBh2H8HEnnMpIfEPR2VZ5sgsya76uYn eW7KGFfxg7N98T1dZup/CA==; Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 21:33:56 +0300 Message-Id: <867bzfouaz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Thu, 07 Aug 2025 19:43:47 +0200) References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: tsdh@gnu.org, jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 19:43:47 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > Hi Eli, > > >> If we want to have a general mechanism, we need a new variable > >> auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p which could be consulted by the several > >> mode-specific revert functions implementations. Or we extend the meaning > >> of revert-buffer-in-progress-p to the values nil, t, and `auto'. The > >> latter indicates, that the revert process has been started by > >> auto-revert. > > > > I think I'd prefer the general-mechanism solution. Would someone like > > to work on a patch along those lines? > > I could work on the general mechanism. Which variant do you prefer, > extending revert-buffer-in-progress-p or a new auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p? The latter, I think. It looks simpler, and a new variable cannot possibly cause any backward incompatibilities. Thanks. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Tassilo Horn Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 18:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii , 79145@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175459215425383 (code B ref 79145); Thu, 07 Aug 2025 18:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2025 18:42:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35931 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5ZR-0006bK-Ok for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:42:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5ZO-0006b3-A3 for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:42:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5ZI-0006tk-SB; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:42:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=EaI4U1HMeZWS+AgFJ+o7qIaLjIukrp326QJbzOjEYoU=; b=QvYsr4j5RKkqZiiQhYiE UdeN5cGUVhcWLu48zICEP6rjMMAL2GnEs/J1VDGnIFPgOOlQEhzz/Q/C8kG0Mus3s3YbfAei7rE9i k7KjBuWYhSFNQsBXte1XnEylFO5skkOLzcqIy+42EkfI6BVe9wvZu6lAsHDAwVuBUdORiwUStxRPl bXNG/PAB7Og5V0Aj3Ynpy019t5BSyGOv8gXHEbARgUIOdvpjbepNQG5GyG4ta1b9Mcic0O37++uac bndzN2/GjXmM8MiCp+5PIYumRq8ss855Ncf77qSijSfwwmiIWZM6+268iHkvpOdK13x+kLnZolpYf JpNXpXjKqb2dbQ==; X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdefgdduvdduieekucetufdoteggodetrf dotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceu rghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujf gurhephffvvefujghffgffkfggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvfgrshhsihhl ohcujfhorhhnuceothhsughhsehgnhhurdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelud dvgeefuddvjeekfeetleegtefgveehhfeuffeuffeghefgueefgfdvffegtdenucevlhhu shhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehthhhorhhnodhmvg hsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqdekieejfeekjeekgedqieefhedvleek qdhtshguhheppehgnhhurdhorhhgsehfrghsthhmrghilhdrfhhmpdhnsggprhgtphhtth hopeegpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopeejledugeehseguvggssghu ghhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepjhhfohhrshhtrdhmrghilhhmrghnsehgmh grihhlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohep mhhitghhrggvlhdrrghlsghinhhushesghhmgidruggv X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ib2b94485:Fastmail From: Tassilo Horn In-Reply-To: <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.12; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 20:42:19 +0200 Message-ID: <8734a3m0s4.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Albinus writes: Hi chaps, >>> If we want to have a general mechanism, we need a new variable >>> auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p which could be consulted by the >>> several mode-specific revert functions implementations. Or we extend >>> the meaning of revert-buffer-in-progress-p to the values nil, t, and >>> `auto'. The latter indicates, that the revert process has been >>> started by auto-revert. >> >> I think I'd prefer the general-mechanism solution. Would someone >> like to work on a patch along those lines? > > I could work on the general mechanism. Which variant do you prefer, > extending revert-buffer-in-progress-p or a new > auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p? I have the feeling that such a solution would be overkill. Let me explain: As Jake has clarified, he's not strictly opposing all messages relating to non-current buffers but this doc-view message is problematic especially because it advertises a key-binding which only has the advertised effect in a doc-view buffer. So I guess we could simply guard that message with something like (when (get-buffer-window (current-buffer) (selected-frame)) (message ...)) or probably better (let ((inhibit-message (get-buffer-window (current-buffer) (selected-frame)))) (message ...)) so that it's still logged in *Messages* which would be a less drastical change. If we'd really like to have an option which says "don't bother me with messages relating to buffers which are not current (or visible)", then auto-revert is just one out of several possible causes. Timers are another one, e.g., messages from Gnus fetching mail. Or modes doing asynchronous communication. And then one probably wants to be able to define that certain messages are fine although the corresponding buffer isn't current/visible ("You have 3 new mails", "The compilation of foo has finished") but others not... Bye, Tassilo From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 18:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Tassilo Horn Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175459297027984 (code B ref 79145); Thu, 07 Aug 2025 18:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2025 18:56:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35969 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5mc-0007HH-9T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:56:10 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47252) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5mY-0007Ga-Gc for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:56:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uk5mS-0000QR-BD; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 14:56:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=OsBqWUzjvF0mjwqCqAUezD5uf5nM4Xrpt8Gm9qssZnc=; b=glAPy648ET0W cgLw5UWDDlLaRDNXAFM2J4Kh7iTmYBxbV1tEPAAw1dHfbPHR4Go3HqnXRGP8eoI8ZivAaHwb7c+sz 7yd5nB96cDA1zIoWQkIQdfDeq2yxsf2t7z0NyIlJolW0Z2aGrjFtA1ZSiVBnYd1Rormen9PZm1NDR ox7uvASp/xIKnsPTSyijQonY3kLjUjRS2xEoWGzXwJGKLWgFcHS02kQgr14Y+c4PwpnETNEJ1k+fC hUYERsaXoSC0xBxOteMeEb3vVWAqeYTxLBqUR2k6aABJ227wtxz4RpIuVd4Vani2D9tuVOI+xLeQA q+0JnT+erbWeXizoJ54ZCA==; Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 21:55:56 +0300 Message-Id: <861ppnotab.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <8734a3m0s4.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Tassilo Horn on Thu, 07 Aug 2025 20:42:19 +0200) References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> <8734a3m0s4.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tassilo Horn > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , jforst.mailman@gmail.com, > 79145@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 20:42:19 +0200 > > >> I think I'd prefer the general-mechanism solution. Would someone > >> like to work on a patch along those lines? > > > > I could work on the general mechanism. Which variant do you prefer, > > extending revert-buffer-in-progress-p or a new > > auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p? > > I have the feeling that such a solution would be overkill. How can a single variable be overkill? > Let me explain: > > As Jake has clarified, he's not strictly opposing all messages relating > to non-current buffers but this doc-view message is problematic > especially because it advertises a key-binding which only has the > advertised effect in a doc-view buffer. So I guess we could simply > guard that message with something like > > (when (get-buffer-window (current-buffer) (selected-frame)) > (message ...)) > > or probably better > > (let ((inhibit-message (get-buffer-window > (current-buffer) (selected-frame)))) > (message ...)) > > so that it's still logged in *Messages* which would be a less drastical > change. But it was you yourself who claimed that the problem is more general than just the above. Did you now change your mind? Or what did I miss? > If we'd really like to have an option which says "don't bother me with > messages relating to buffers which are not current (or visible)", then > auto-revert is just one out of several possible causes. Timers are > another one, e.g., messages from Gnus fetching mail. Or modes doing > asynchronous communication. And then one probably wants to be able to > define that certain messages are fine although the corresponding buffer > isn't current/visible ("You have 3 new mails", "The compilation of foo > has finished") but others not... So now you are saying that even solving this for all auto-revert clients is not general enough? From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: "Tassilo Horn" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 19:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Eli Zaretskii" Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Albinus Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175459443832586 (code B ref 79145); Thu, 07 Aug 2025 19:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Aug 2025 19:20:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36012 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk6AI-0008TU-7G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:20:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45170) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uk6AF-0008TG-TP for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:20:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uk6AA-0003y6-5L; Thu, 07 Aug 2025 15:20:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Subject:References:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: MIME-Version; bh=MqQr7zkGGF2Uv/RjLhumcmiGVVx7Tij25TfCJrgBEDw=; b=MNn2ZWWycV5w yZAmwBzglCXKSbpwCJmSD7NfCteIvk4nWpxHA01HsLW4XAb+JJQ4KlMhj+CS10RRnQTwBTOFgorYg vz13Lbu98B8OGuhgAzchRyTPtTZ3anOxgK6CZ/52U4joS+D2JnprVxUugB4jmVHWdm81vNOQ2l5iP DYJ2D7gMJwjFnTQWNRNXjg7IMsx7BKTOL6J3IVmMN5L8yzAVRj6wmppCd8GoA/+aCyY+onShdlb1Q OUG17Aj3PcqCOjJRFeNYXhurvuBn9+YJcsyVd1bkBGSFp8Eu2nckOZ4X5x73Srr3paVw2dADY7par daFY1Zp1elAQV6CnmV4HuQ==; X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdefgdduvddujeeiucetufdoteggodetrf dotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceu rghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujf gurhepofggfffhvfevkfgjfhfutgfgsehtjeertdertddtnecuhfhrohhmpedfvfgrshhs ihhlohcujfhorhhnfdcuoehtshguhhesghhnuhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnh epueevgfeggfejgfelkefhgfehhedttdetieejjeehteekkeehgfefudeltdejiedvnecu vehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepthhhohhrnh domhgvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidqkeeijeefkeejkeegqdeifeeh vdelkedqthhsughhpeepghhnuhdrohhrghesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdhfmhdpnhgspghrtg hpthhtohepgedpmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhhtpdhrtghpthhtohepjeeludegheesuggv sggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopehjfhhorhhsthdrmhgrihhlmhgrnh esghhmrghilhdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopehmihgthhgrvghlrdgrlhgsihhnuhhssehg mhigrdguvgdprhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ib2b94485:Fastmail X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ThreadId: AnegmN69VBnk Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 21:20:07 +0200 From: "Tassilo Horn" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <861ppnotab.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> <8734a3m0s4.fsf@gnu.org> <861ppnotab.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Am Do, 7. Aug 2025, um 20:55, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: > > But it was you yourself who claimed that the problem is more general > than just the above. Did you now change your mind? Or what did I > miss? Jake's clarification in which he told that especially the advertisement of the doc-view specific key-binding is the actual problem which makes it much worse than the dired example I came up with. >> If we'd really like to have an option which says "don't bother me with >> messages relating to buffers which are not current (or visible)", then >> auto-revert is just one out of several possible causes. Timers are >> another one, e.g., messages from Gnus fetching mail. Or modes doing >> asynchronous communication. And then one probably wants to be able to >> define that certain messages are fine although the corresponding buffer >> isn't current/visible ("You have 3 new mails", "The compilation of foo >> has finished") but others not... > > So now you are saying that even solving this for all auto-revert > clients is not general enough? It looks to me like complexity which only solves half of a problem which was my initial interpretation of the bug report but not what the reporter had in mind. I would not enable such an option if it existed, so I suggest we just ignore my "accidental feature request" and I'll only fix specifically what Jake complained about. Bye, Tassilo From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Tassilo Horn Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 05:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Eli Zaretskii" Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Albinus Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.17546294474796 (code B ref 79145); Fri, 08 Aug 2025 05:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2025 05:04:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36679 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ukFGx-0001FI-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 01:04:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50008) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ukFGv-0001Ep-H6 for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 01:04:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ukFGp-00047L-Jw; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 01:03:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=lJK12nZU869wuSjJfnw2NNJgLcefQQUlDJ+zrVfluMo=; b=ngpwNxoZf8gUO/jWrssE pKKFTxyHnYcGY5Scm3ke7dMg3UfBYxyo8RkaaHggpeGafQKlx8NQVoMlvYaBgid8DWb6PhaoN/Pp1 54KfKvKQERek1+sVvFLKrJjFfD/uf7ueUHtkAdAMBZyYvu2xToiUQvRMYsPtnnD7AQkTt/1mhHqrZ 1hvP6rGxaEd8NczGsX3OkeuuXr0kYNcHG9y161VVeJxfdAs2GRCtzsN5RPbv2hPGY1pWNqrqT5pdn Hq4WIk9zRLCn8ZROVpRFkjIZXWWzTMxkH0iGnqm5ndkgXSyZoZxUDZaZB3Vkk+anGdRyTYsE3jomY gyT621QETO4CWg==; X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdefgdduvddvledvucetufdoteggodetrf dotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceu rghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujf gurhephffvvefujghffgffkfggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvfgrshhsihhl ohcujfhorhhnuceothhsughhsehgnhhurdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelud dvgeefuddvjeekfeetleegtefgveehhfeuffeuffeghefgueefgfdvffegtdenucevlhhu shhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehthhhorhhnodhmvg hsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqdekieejfeekjeekgedqieefhedvleek qdhtshguhheppehgnhhurdhorhhgsehfrghsthhmrghilhdrfhhmpdhnsggprhgtphhtth hopeegpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopeejledugeehseguvggssghu ghhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepjhhfohhrshhtrdhmrghilhhmrghnsehgmh grihhlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepmhhitghhrggvlhdrrghlsghinhhushesghhmgidr uggvpdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ib2b94485:Fastmail From: Tassilo Horn In-Reply-To: References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> <8734a3m0s4.fsf@gnu.org> <861ppnotab.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.12; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 07:03:53 +0200 Message-ID: <87ectmh0au.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "Tassilo Horn" writes: >> But it was you yourself who claimed that the problem is more general >> than just the above. Did you now change your mind? Or what did I >> miss? > > Jake's clarification in which he told that especially the > advertisement of the doc-view specific key-binding is the actual > problem which makes it much worse than the dired example I came up > with. I've fixed that now on master by binding inhibit-message when the document buffer is not shown in the selected window so that the message isn't shown in the echo area but still logged to *Messages*. I'm not 100% sure if "buffer isn't shown in the selected window" or "buffer isn't shown at all in the selected frame" is the better criterion. What are your opinions? Bye, Tassilo From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 05:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Tassilo Horn" Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175463205713599 (code B ref 79145); Fri, 08 Aug 2025 05:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2025 05:47:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36753 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ukFx2-0003XH-Gx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 01:47:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ukFwy-0003X0-Mc for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 01:47:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ukFwt-0002Fq-Aw; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 01:47:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Vmg581TvgFUfqOJNeD3Xh94+4OHNZMmebySoZQ6iKxo=; b=ccEReAmpVfcl sDG25LdTPNhS7GRhEc28PVfut8CgT+0Yb5BTLuFrwaWFRHHsZ4kTEYtVsOXgyN5aMDlFf51Xb9vSh WpALm7C2eW6wAePOhaerEvGd4wfXX2b4FiV8Buezf8IuYGcKjUWb22WbtASB4pBW0ApUU6PRg2mjw xHvZki74ApVrqvQeI4jxB1FBV0Ld7TQM4lYfBln4rNts/eRSauoRFUiC2ZJ3c/c9DZJVZJcUuqCLm +eQeifzOPrqM+rzw5q6wOND1/XP/Ne7IitCYwepABg9cpsq597JoU9QpGXR7Foe+lS6arEaApythe fVsjpMFZw+zPhxhXL+52xA==; Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 08:47:24 +0300 Message-Id: <86zfcanz4j.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (tsdh@gnu.org) References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> <8734a3m0s4.fsf@gnu.org> <861ppnotab.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2025 21:20:07 +0200 > From: "Tassilo Horn" > Cc: "Michael Albinus" , jforst.mailman@gmail.com, > 79145@debbugs.gnu.org > > Am Do, 7. Aug 2025, um 20:55, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: > > > > But it was you yourself who claimed that the problem is more general > > than just the above. Did you now change your mind? Or what did I > > miss? > > Jake's clarification in which he told that especially the advertisement of the doc-view specific key-binding is the actual problem which makes it much worse than the dired example I came up with. > > >> If we'd really like to have an option which says "don't bother me with > >> messages relating to buffers which are not current (or visible)", then > >> auto-revert is just one out of several possible causes. Timers are > >> another one, e.g., messages from Gnus fetching mail. Or modes doing > >> asynchronous communication. And then one probably wants to be able to > >> define that certain messages are fine although the corresponding buffer > >> isn't current/visible ("You have 3 new mails", "The compilation of foo > >> has finished") but others not... > > > > So now you are saying that even solving this for all auto-revert > > clients is not general enough? > > It looks to me like complexity which only solves half of a problem which was my initial interpretation of the bug report but not what the reporter had in mind. I would not enable such an option if it existed, so I suggest we just ignore my "accidental feature request" and I'll only fix specifically what Jake complained about. Fine by me, thanks. From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 06:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 79145 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Tassilo Horn Cc: jforst.mailman@gmail.com, 79145@debbugs.gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de Received: via spool by 79145-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B79145.175463411919810 (code B ref 79145); Fri, 08 Aug 2025 06:22:01 +0000 Received: (at 79145) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2025 06:21:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36807 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ukGUI-00059Q-FL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 02:21:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ukGUF-00059A-Qb for 79145@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 02:21:56 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ukGU9-0007au-Mg; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 02:21:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=liZSah3iOD708dZHcEUNBYIj9Z1LUn2/Byl4yPa8qLA=; b=PfKEze20P87R 4xAQEUe/oDzRejXA4Fo6Hyqe6vaojkOBbr6y/bcJu2c0sNnl8fsYiXsSUr9qhRwcNWABM7qz+EEoz /V0tpUKKwphLpvjAfZzcnhhvkVMdxHVcIHCttPENcN9UgOwoAI8MhhLDO0gEWubKXvNcxnmnDslZL OFbM5Kbvrht+4axuxCynaUpQ+EQkc+welKGqvDnqexvCOtva088Kvb5YdPvr7O2RsSRBDk06XZAmB sY3jt1QywmeGzEjnacl84bnUOffkEhvKu1l4bNDLu3HAvfpMUChXwJeXcghenJln+UtxcCkjsSFQj biGFPz4IOxinkUz0a481xw==; Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 09:21:46 +0300 Message-Id: <86sei2nxj9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87ectmh0au.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Tassilo Horn on Fri, 08 Aug 2025 07:03:53 +0200) References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> <8734a3m0s4.fsf@gnu.org> <861ppnotab.fsf@gnu.org> <87ectmh0au.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Tassilo Horn > Cc: "Michael Albinus" , jforst.mailman@gmail.com, > 79145@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 07:03:53 +0200 > > "Tassilo Horn" writes: > > >> But it was you yourself who claimed that the problem is more general > >> than just the above. Did you now change your mind? Or what did I > >> miss? > > > > Jake's clarification in which he told that especially the > > advertisement of the doc-view specific key-binding is the actual > > problem which makes it much worse than the dired example I came up > > with. > > I've fixed that now on master by binding inhibit-message when the > document buffer is not shown in the selected window so that the message > isn't shown in the echo area but still logged to *Messages*. Thanks. > I'm not 100% sure if "buffer isn't shown in the selected window" or > "buffer isn't shown at all in the selected frame" is the better > criterion. What are your opinions? I don't have an opinion, I hope Jake will tell. 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Because the message mentions the key binding, my vote is to only display it when the buffer is in the selected window. Jake On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 at 2:34=E2=80=AFpm, Tassilo Horn wrote: > "Tassilo Horn" writes: > > >> But it was you yourself who claimed that the problem is more general > >> than just the above. Did you now change your mind? Or what did I > >> miss? > > > > Jake's clarification in which he told that especially the > > advertisement of the doc-view specific key-binding is the actual > > problem which makes it much worse than the dired example I came up > > with. > > I've fixed that now on master by binding inhibit-message when the > document buffer is not shown in the selected window so that the message > isn't shown in the echo area but still logged to *Messages*. > > I'm not 100% sure if "buffer isn't shown in the selected window" or > "buffer isn't shown at all in the selected frame" is the better > criterion. What are your opinions? > > Bye, > Tassilo > --000000000000d03ded063bd4fa91 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks, Tassilo.

Because the message mentions the key binding, my vote = is to=C2=A0only display it when the buffer is in=C2=A0the selected window. = =C2=A0

Jake
<= div>

On Fri, 8 Aug 2025 at 2:3= 4=E2=80=AFpm, Tassilo Horn <tsdh@gnu.org> wrote:
=
"Tassilo Horn" <tsdh@gnu.org> writes:

>> But it was you yourself who claimed that the problem is more gener= al
>> than just the above.=C2=A0 Did you now change your mind?=C2=A0 Or = what did I
>> miss?
>
> Jake's clarification in which he told that especially the
> advertisement of the doc-view specific key-binding is the actual
> problem which makes it much worse than the dired example I came up
> with.

I've fixed that now on master by binding inhibit-message when the
document buffer is not shown in the selected window so that the message
isn't shown in the echo area but still logged to *Messages*.

I'm not 100% sure if "buffer isn't shown in the selected windo= w" or
"buffer isn't shown at all in the selected frame" is the bett= er
criterion.=C2=A0 What are your opinions?

Bye,
Tassilo
--000000000000d03ded063bd4fa91-- From unknown Sat Aug 09 01:58:39 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Jake Subject: bug#79145: closed (Re: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't) Message-ID: References: <878qjugk1g.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 79145 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 79145@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 10:56:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1754650562-15825-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1754650562-15825-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when = it shouldn't which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 79145@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 79145: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D79145 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1754650562-15825-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 79145-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2025 10:55:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37402 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ukKks-00046L-Pm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 06:55:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60286) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ukKko-000463-Cm for 79145-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 06:55:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ukKki-0005H7-EI; Fri, 08 Aug 2025 06:55:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=9c1mahfS4CSd2RmtjaGu/8nb9cL256BauYaSV+qeZpc=; b=eGWoeILuQZcq4YUbd1Kp 9Dn8+fS9mKc0ZK/zdxlXBm/HHbHIa5Q6Dk1q356anV8gfiNF0kckhDg3bfZqpYWTE91jGH33ttqnP 5T/xyWwaAtNiNuC8xzYE3IXyiL84YxbI9qvbcIO/N0p/pLhhbxc/Mqrnmr4wfR4LvbUsZg7/z3Y4k m1kAQrpze1vr4IGtocnQ+iTYSmAH6ULK/vEi4c7mtBMx8STsqwZRmNI8FAn1dJoDHRGgUc9tAWI00 ouVThPByxrn1MNEHaIUaFFxA2iRdbIToTEb73skG7mW6F91kFqnVCiEXy6IBzwBwayENqCmYWrb27 pAWrNcOETnn0Tg==; X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeffedrtdefgdduvdefiedvucetufdoteggodetrf dotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceu rghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujf gurhephffvvefujghffgffkfggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomhepvfgrshhsihhl ohcujfhorhhnuceothhsughhsehgnhhurdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelud dvgeefuddvjeekfeetleegtefgveehhfeuffeuffeghefgueefgfdvffegtdenucevlhhu shhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehthhhorhhnodhmvg hsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhithihqdekieejfeekjeekgedqieefhedvleek qdhtshguhheppehgnhhurdhorhhgsehfrghsthhmrghilhdrfhhmpdhnsggprhgtphhtth hopeegpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopeejledugeehqdguohhnvges uggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopehmihgthhgrvghlrdgrlhgsih hnuhhssehgmhigrdguvgdprhgtphhtthhopegvlhhiiiesghhnuhdrohhrghdprhgtphht thhopehjfhhorhhsthdrmhgrihhlmhgrnhesghhmrghilhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ib2b94485:Fastmail From: Tassilo Horn To: Jake Subject: Re: bug#79145: 31.0.50; doc-view-mode with auto-revert-mode emitting message when it shouldn't In-Reply-To: References: <86tt2qryg8.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikj6i3ju.fsf@gnu.org> <86pldervy9.fsf@gnu.org> <87pldbe8dh.fsf@gmx.de> <867bzfqn6j.fsf@gnu.org> <878qjv9gdo.fsf@gmx.de> <8734a3m0s4.fsf@gnu.org> <861ppnotab.fsf@gnu.org> <87ectmh0au.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.12; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2025 12:55:07 +0200 Message-ID: <878qjugk1g.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79145-done Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Michael Albinus , 79145-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Jake writes: Hi Jake, > Because the message mentions the key binding, my vote is to only > display it when the buffer is in the selected window. Alright, that's how I've done it so let's keep it that way. I'm closing the bug. 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The message is not appropriate when the major mode of the current buffer is not doc-view-mode. >From emacs -Q: 1. Visit a PDF file 2. M-x auto-revert-mode 3. Visit a different buffer like the scratch buffer 4. Cause the PDF file to be changed 5. Observe the message Thanks Jake In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.43, cairo version 1.18.4) Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101015 System Description: Guix System Configured using: 'configure CONFIG_SHELL=/gnu/store/nnx8iifrj6jfih4sivivq17cf65aa968-bash-minimal-5.2.37/bin/bash SHELL=/gnu/store/nnx8iifrj6jfih4sivivq17cf65aa968-bash-minimal-5.2.37/bin/bash --prefix=/gnu/store/khjxdrx5miba6da2lv0748gk4a3dh59w-emacs-next-31.0.50-1.9663c95 --enable-fast-install --with-cairo --with-modules --with-native-compilation=aot 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -Wno-error=incompatible-pointer-types' --disable-build-details' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINERAMA XINPUT2 XPM XRANDR GTK3 ZLIB Important 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debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, =20 >> >> If we want to have a general mechanism, we need a new variable >> >> auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p which could be consulted by the sev= eral >> >> mode-specific revert functions implementations. Or we extend the mea= ning >> >> of revert-buffer-in-progress-p to the values nil, t, and `auto'. The >> >> latter indicates, that the revert process has been started by >> >> auto-revert. >> > >> > I think I'd prefer the general-mechanism solution. Would someone lik= e >> > to work on a patch along those lines? >>=20 >> I could work on the general mechanism. Which variant do you prefer, >> extending revert-buffer-in-progress-p or a new auto-revert-buffer-in-pr= ogress-p? > > The latter, I think. It looks simpler, and a new variable cannot > possibly cause any backward incompatibilities. I've added auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p in master. Used also to suppress messages in dired-omit-expunge when auto-reverting. Even if it isn't used in doc-view, it could help other reverting functions to be less chatty. > Thanks. Best regards, Michael. 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Which variant do you prefer, > >> extending revert-buffer-in-progress-p or a new auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p? > > > > The latter, I think. It looks simpler, and a new variable cannot > > possibly cause any backward incompatibilities. > > I've added auto-revert-buffer-in-progress-p in master. Used also to > suppress messages in dired-omit-expunge when auto-reverting. > > Even if it isn't used in doc-view, it could help other reverting > functions to be less chatty. Thanks.