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Please see the attached file. I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed. I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related = to GC. I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error. Thanks! --Apple-Mail=_FEDDBDFB-A6CB-4E25-8012-BEDB3E0F8333 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=crash.txt Content-Type: text/plain; x-unix-mode=0644; name="crash.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------------------------------------- Translated Report (Full Report Below) ------------------------------------- Process: Emacs [14928] Path: /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs Identifier: org.gnu.Emacs Version: Version 31.0.50 (9.0) Code Type: ARM-64 (Native) Parent Process: launchd [1] User ID: 501 Date/Time: 2025-07-26 17:52:38.4144 -0500 OS Version: macOS 15.6 (24G84) Report Version: 12 Anonymous UUID: B51F9955-77E2-1BAC-67C3-F3461C1EA4D3 Sleep/Wake UUID: 89D38B6A-0664-45CC-8048-D09FF4D81A61 Time Awake Since Boot: 280000 seconds Time Since Wake: 1799 seconds System Integrity Protection: enabled Crashed Thread: 1 Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT) Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000 Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 6 Abort trap: 6 Terminating Process: Emacs [14928] Thread 0:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread 0 Emacs 0x100863214 = redisplay_internal + 208 1 Emacs 0x10086930c = redisplay_preserve_echo_area + 132 2 Emacs 0x100914d5c = detect_input_pending_run_timers + 144 3 Emacs 0x1009f4520 = wait_reading_process_output + 4488 4 Emacs 0x100912bb4 read_char + = 7444 5 Emacs 0x10090ee14 = read_key_sequence + 1328 6 Emacs 0x10090d2c8 = command_loop_1 + 864 7 Emacs 0x100992c14 = internal_condition_case + 228 8 Emacs 0x10090cf54 = command_loop_2 + 52 9 Emacs 0x100992218 = internal_catch + 224 10 Emacs 0x100aecd94 = command_loop.cold.1 + 88 11 Emacs 0x10090c784 command_loop = + 156 12 Emacs 0x10090c618 = recursive_edit_1 + 188 13 Emacs 0x10090c91c = Frecursive_edit + 384 14 Emacs 0x10090b73c main + 8644 15 dyld 0x183686b98 start + 6076 Thread 1 Crashed: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839ee388 = __pthread_kill + 8 1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a2788c pthread_kill = + 296 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x1838f8d04 raise + 32 3 Emacs 0x100aec8d4 = terminate_due_to_signal + 120 4 Emacs 0x100aed748 emacs_abort + = 20 5 Emacs 0x100a4a2a0 = ns_term_shutdown + 132 6 Emacs 0x10090951c = shut_down_emacs + 360 7 Emacs 0x100aec938 = terminate_due_to_signal + 220 8 Emacs 0x100a1d150 = igc_assert_fail + 76 9 Emacs 0x100ae1b50 = mps_lib_assert_fail + 32 (mpsliban.c:87) [inlined] 10 Emacs 0x100ae1b50 = traceScanSegRes + 532 (trace.c:1229) 11 Emacs 0x100aa30e4 traceScanSeg = + 40 (trace.c:1267) 12 Emacs 0x100aa2f64 = TraceSegAccess + 328 (trace.c:1320) 13 Emacs 0x100aa84f8 = SegWholeAccess + 336 (seg.c:1262) 14 Emacs 0x100a96d44 ArenaAccess + = 564 (global.c:671) 15 Emacs 0x100ae9300 protCatchOne = + 192 (protxc.c:242) [inlined] 16 Emacs 0x100ae9300 = protCatchThread + 304 (protxc.c:284) 17 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a27c0c = _pthread_start + 136 18 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a22b80 thread_start = + 8 Thread 2: 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839ebe90 __pselect + 8 1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839ebd68 = pselect$DARWIN_EXTSN + 64 2 Emacs 0x100a4b38c -[EmacsApp = fd_handler:] + 248 3 Foundation 0x1850daba8 = __NSThread__start__ + 732 4 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a27c0c = _pthread_start + 136 5 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a22b80 thread_start = + 8 Thread 3:: com.apple.NSEventThread 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839e5c34 = mach_msg2_trap + 8 1 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839f83a0 = mach_msg2_internal + 76 2 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839ee764 = mach_msg_overwrite + 484 3 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839e5fa8 mach_msg + 24 4 CoreFoundation 0x183b12cbc = __CFRunLoopServiceMachPort + 160 5 CoreFoundation 0x183b115d8 = __CFRunLoopRun + 1208 6 CoreFoundation 0x183b10a98 = CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 572 7 AppKit 0x187b5978c = _NSEventThread + 140 8 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a27c0c = _pthread_start + 136 9 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a22b80 thread_start = + 8 Thread 4: 0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a22b6c = start_wqthread + 0 Thread 5: 0 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a22b6c = start_wqthread + 0 Thread 1 crashed with ARM Thread State (64-bit): x0: 0x0000000000000000 x1: 0x0000000000000000 x2: = 0x0000000000000000 x3: 0x00006000006aeae0 x4: 0x00006000006aeac0 x5: 0x0000000000000000 x6: = 0x0000000000002ac0 x7: 0x0000000000000030 x8: 0xe1b8e8013cf1070c x9: 0xe1b8e8005394370c x10: = 0x0000000000000001 x11: 0x00000001f19de060 x12: 0x0000000000000003 x13: 0x0000600001237f80 x14: = 0x01000001f19db4e1 x15: 0x00000001f19db4e0 x16: 0x0000000000000148 x17: 0x00000001f2a11558 x18: = 0x0000000000000000 x19: 0x0000000000000006 x20: 0x0000000000001903 x21: 0x000000016f6530e0 x22: = 0x1fd3fffedfffff00 x23: 0x0000000000000001 x24: 0x0000000000000001 x25: 0x000000005195ca45 x26: = 0x0000000100bc93d0 x27: 0x0000000100bc9000 x28: 0x0000000100bc93d0 fp: 0x000000016f651170 lr: = 0x0000000183a2788c sp: 0x000000016f651150 pc: 0x00000001839ee388 cpsr: 0x40001000 far: 0x0000000000000000 esr: 0x56000080 Address size fault Binary Images: 0x100834000 - 0x100b4bfff org.gnu.Emacs (Version 31.0.50) = <64884941-4ddd-3d62-b7a8-a47e927b2ef8> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs 0x100e0c000 - 0x100e6ffff libtiff.6.dylib (*) = /opt/homebrew/*/libtiff.6.dylib 0x100e90000 - 0x100eeffff libjpeg.8.3.2.dylib (*) = <522e57c6-4208-333f-833a-ebedfd8000ff> = /opt/homebrew/*/libjpeg.8.3.2.dylib 0x100dbc000 - 0x100ddffff libpng16.16.dylib (*) = <1d486868-3c8c-321e-9727-3a5ba5cd220e> /opt/homebrew/*/libpng16.16.dylib 0x100d9c000 - 0x100da3fff libgif.7.2.0.dylib (*) = = /opt/homebrew/*/libgif.7.2.0.dylib 0x100df0000 - 0x100df3fff libwebpdemux.2.0.16.dylib (*) = = /opt/homebrew/*/libwebpdemux.2.0.16.dylib 0x100f3c000 - 0x100f5bfff libwebpdecoder.3.1.10.dylib (*) = = /opt/homebrew/*/libwebpdecoder.3.1.10.dylib 0x10124c000 - 0x1013effff libgnutls.30.dylib (*) = <8985a548-c3c6-376b-b2f7-defd718302bb> = /opt/homebrew/*/libgnutls.30.dylib 0x101060000 - 0x10109bfff liblcms2.2.dylib (*) = /opt/homebrew/*/liblcms2.2.dylib 0x101128000 - 0x10117ffff libgmp.10.dylib (*) = /opt/homebrew/*/libgmp.10.dylib 0x103ec4000 - 0x105e5ffff libgccjit.0.dylib (*) = <16841c45-7059-3837-9adf-c2a8e098910a> /opt/homebrew/*/libgccjit.0.dylib 0x101008000 - 0x101027fff libtree-sitter.0.25.dylib (*) = <269f0e73-0f88-3396-b185-cfc24c582a2b> = /opt/homebrew/*/libtree-sitter.0.25.dylib 0x101494000 - 0x10151ffff libzstd.1.5.7.dylib (*) = = /opt/homebrew/*/libzstd.1.5.7.dylib 0x100f70000 - 0x100f8ffff liblzma.5.dylib (*) = <6b34bd7f-9320-3883-9a5d-e8542c9b17ca> /opt/homebrew/*/liblzma.5.dylib 0x101198000 - 0x1011d7fff libwebp.7.1.10.dylib (*) = <69a35b5b-fc79-3ab0-a1fc-3f5f7138fb30> = /opt/homebrew/*/libwebp.7.1.10.dylib 0x100f08000 - 0x100f0bfff libsharpyuv.0.1.1.dylib (*) = <3f2fb061-cc13-393b-85ec-66d6faf561af> = /opt/homebrew/*/libsharpyuv.0.1.1.dylib 0x1011f0000 - 0x101217fff libintl.8.dylib (*) = /opt/homebrew/*/libintl.8.dylib 0x1016a4000 - 0x10179bfff libp11-kit.0.dylib (*) = <5ab305be-ee60-302b-a5e4-2b42f5ea5103> = /opt/homebrew/*/libp11-kit.0.dylib 0x10153c000 - 0x10156bfff libidn2.0.dylib (*) = /opt/homebrew/*/libidn2.0.dylib 0x1019f8000 - 0x101bbffff libunistring.5.dylib (*) = = /opt/homebrew/*/libunistring.5.dylib 0x101040000 - 0x10104bfff libtasn1.6.dylib (*) = /opt/homebrew/*/libtasn1.6.dylib 0x10157c000 - 0x1015b7fff libhogweed.6.11.dylib (*) = <81294815-d060-3b94-9fd7-835a403daf7b> = /opt/homebrew/*/libhogweed.6.11.dylib 0x1015cc000 - 0x101603fff libnettle.8.11.dylib (*) = <3caa1766-1965-33d9-b5d9-4a91c88d595d> = /opt/homebrew/*/libnettle.8.11.dylib 0x101be4000 - 0x101cf7fff libisl.23.dylib (*) = /opt/homebrew/*/libisl.23.dylib 0x1010e0000 - 0x1010f3fff libmpc.3.dylib (*) = <099adc2a-3426-376c-bd50-f0e396786a40> /opt/homebrew/*/libmpc.3.dylib 0x10180c000 - 0x101863fff libmpfr.6.dylib (*) = <0ca9354e-ca18-3723-8e0e-10d24def18c8> /opt/homebrew/*/libmpfr.6.dylib 0x101920000 - 0x101967fff window-0d1b8b93-03012914.eln (*) = <2a35ef11-a1da-3a8a-943f-3fc8e8defc9d> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/p= reloaded/window-0d1b8b93-03012914.eln 0x101d6c000 - 0x101da3fff subr-13adf6a6-95096aa5.eln (*) = = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/p= reloaded/subr-13adf6a6-95096aa5.eln 0x101660000 - 0x10166bfff macroexp-2c3e1495-f873eb2a.eln = (*) <49b75496-312f-3f65-86de-fc273e87509a> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/p= reloaded/macroexp-2c3e1495-f873eb2a.eln 0x1018bc000 - 0x1018d7fff frame-b40fc590-5a264039.eln (*) = <8c88ac25-b6b7-3866-a3fe-56b70ea453a0> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/p= reloaded/frame-b40fc590-5a264039.eln 0x10167c000 - 0x101683fff timer-3ee7cfd9-38bf0f6c.eln (*) = <0c48b624-0421-30bf-809b-186b2cddec52> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/p= reloaded/timer-3ee7cfd9-38bf0f6c.eln 0x1019c8000 - 0x1019d7fff custom-c166a157-1e437a87.eln (*) = = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/p= reloaded/custom-c166a157-1e437a87.eln 0x101e04000 - 0x101e13fff faces-b9447c93-84d51a17.eln (*) = <7ef649dd-396f-334c-a49d-58340011a1fe> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/p= reloaded/faces-b9447c93-84d51a17.eln 0x101ec8000 - 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0x1475fffff = url-methods-08bf763a-1e00ba8d.eln (*) = <10a7e1b8-da25-39aa-a1f0-bd1743844496> = /Users/USER/*/url-methods-08bf763a-1e00ba8d.eln 0x144be8000 - 0x144bebfff = url-privacy-7df6b777-5f4cbd1a.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/url-privacy-7df6b777-5f4cbd1a.eln 0x1465e4000 - 0x1465e7fff url-proxy-fc0751f0-db64ce69.eln = (*) <6055a56c-f913-3a4b-9117-a1d644d98c04> = /Users/USER/*/url-proxy-fc0751f0-db64ce69.eln 0x14666c000 - 0x14666ffff = spd-package-0f84008b-82e28ccd.eln (*) = <3c1d978e-258c-35d2-ac44-41060b93aee9> = /Users/USER/*/spd-package-0f84008b-82e28ccd.eln 0x16feb4000 - 0x16fef7fff consult-db4d99e6-ee2a785d.eln = (*) <9ea53b66-dc5d-36fe-b88b-d7136453767a> = /Users/USER/*/consult-db4d99e6-ee2a785d.eln 0x147854000 - 0x14785bfff = embark-consult-f6285c7d-8cb0eb1d.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/embark-consult-f6285c7d-8cb0eb1d.eln 0x14795c000 - 0x147967fff = loaddefs-gen-e8a3ad9c-d3ba2097.eln (*) = <85f770ac-de7f-32ae-b8bf-6b42c3187043> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/l= oaddefs-gen-e8a3ad9c-d3ba2097.eln 0x147978000 - 0x147983fff rect-cd288962-6243a9d7.eln (*) = <76af0e5b-1722-39d0-b421-31c88804c8a1> = /Users/USER/*/rect-cd288962-6243a9d7.eln 0x1478f0000 - 0x1478f3fff delsel-1c603c42-40f1d054.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/delsel-1c603c42-40f1d054.eln 0x147a24000 - 0x147a2bfff shortdoc-c079c0cb-e5809bf5.eln = (*) <83fd604f-89fe-3128-ae7c-0e73c7cf4665> = /Users/USER/*/shortdoc-c079c0cb-e5809bf5.eln 0x147b88000 - 0x147b8ffff jka-compr-40ebe92b-94f03df8.eln = (*) <34389b02-28b1-3a0c-97be-8aa946ada400> = /Users/USER/*/jka-compr-40ebe92b-94f03df8.eln 0x1475e8000 - 0x1475ebfff tabify-b74f3a50-62904d16.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/tabify-b74f3a50-62904d16.eln 0x147a68000 - 0x147a6ffff cl-print-79bf9fb1-98dea470.eln = (*) = /Users/USER/*/cl-print-79bf9fb1-98dea470.eln 0x147994000 - 0x147997fff = consult-imenu-f65af5fc-930570bf.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/consult-imenu-f65af5fc-930570bf.eln 0x15d398000 - 0x15d3affff puni-74ccc64c-699e825c.eln (*) = <0d4efad0-069d-3226-a79c-253a037a6bdf> = /Users/USER/*/puni-74ccc64c-699e825c.eln 0x147bec000 - 0x147beffff pulse-d7a63724-ecb45792.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/pulse-d7a63724-ecb45792.eln 0x147bfc000 - 0x147c03fff color-9d7980a5-d85c4cc0.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/color-9d7980a5-d85c4cc0.eln 0x147cdc000 - 0x147ce3fff face-remap-9d6c47ed-bb3d18e3.eln = (*) = /Users/USER/*/face-remap-9d6c47ed-bb3d18e3.eln 0x36bb44000 - 0x36bbbbfff comp-7672a6ed-2f549a7b.eln (*) = <7c98db85-5eec-3ff5-b0aa-2865722958f6> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/c= omp-7672a6ed-2f549a7b.eln 0x15fe0c000 - 0x15fe2bfff comp-cstr-ef162ef7-05d1a2f3.eln = (*) = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/c= omp-cstr-ef162ef7-05d1a2f3.eln 0x147900000 - 0x147903fff = subr--trampoline-72756e2d686f6f6b73_run_hooks_0.eln (*) = <2a39d2b1-2b3c-36db-939a-f3663467879c> = /Users/USER/*/subr--trampoline-72756e2d686f6f6b73_run_hooks_0.eln 0x118bb4000 - 0x118bb7fff spd-jp-527ac180-63fe0283.eln (*) = <42b496f8-092c-3211-b02d-6720d065d65d> = /Users/USER/*/spd-jp-527ac180-63fe0283.eln 0x118bfc000 - 0x118c17fff quail-a37d4abe-3c3086af.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/quail-a37d4abe-3c3086af.eln 0x118bd0000 - 0x118bd3fff japanese-0ff63ea1-0f77ab2c.eln = (*) = /Users/USER/*/japanese-0ff63ea1-0f77ab2c.eln 0x118c38000 - 0x118c3ffff kkc-fa7914df-bc851f8e.eln (*) = <4358b91f-3698-395b-8b94-cc545376ec87> = /Users/USER/*/kkc-fa7914df-bc851f8e.eln 0x118be0000 - 0x118be3fff ja-dic-utl-b18af762-8ea9790a.eln = (*) <967b6a59-04cb-3aee-95d6-c90a6f4a6cdd> = /Users/USER/*/ja-dic-utl-b18af762-8ea9790a.eln 0x118bc0000 - 0x118bc3fff japan-util-36f5bfe8-e337e366.eln = (*) <42733d58-4d48-3f61-99c7-0141065c4c17> = /Users/USER/*/japan-util-36f5bfe8-e337e366.eln 0x36c72c000 - 0x36c72ffff ja-dic-283bfd77-d6c74399.eln (*) = <8670969f-d156-37e5-b305-c40a568c6592> = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/j= a-dic-283bfd77-d6c74399.eln 0x118d80000 - 0x118d8ffff kmacro-048feaec-b5b04953.eln (*) = <6e90273e-1731-38df-a2d8-37027da229d9> = /Users/USER/*/kmacro-048feaec-b5b04953.eln 0x118d64000 - 0x118d67fff two-column-957d5508-258be03b.eln = (*) <838a212d-9fd3-3e11-a899-3e2baa88a480> = /Users/USER/*/two-column-957d5508-258be03b.eln 0x118e08000 - 0x118e23fff dired-aux-1ff8c91a-c2b726a0.eln = (*) = /Users/USER/*/dired-aux-1ff8c91a-c2b726a0.eln 0x118e60000 - 0x118e67fff view-faefc6b2-2699bcad.eln (*) = <3920b41a-fd57-340f-8c22-69d3c6cc19fb> = /Users/USER/*/view-faefc6b2-2699bcad.eln 0x118dc4000 - 0x118dcffff whitespace-48717ff3-9e2fdf80.eln = (*) = /Users/USER/*/whitespace-48717ff3-9e2fdf80.eln 0x118d28000 - 0x118d2bfff disp-table-375616aa-d30842d9.eln = (*) = /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/Frameworks/native-lisp/31_0_50-46fbf0f3/p= reloaded/disp-table-375616aa-d30842d9.eln 0x118dec000 - 0x118df7fff wdired-01202d01-05f4c732.eln (*) = = /Users/USER/*/wdired-01202d01-05f4c732.eln 0x118ed8000 - 0x118ee7fff shell-57930f41-7a1fb969.eln (*) = <5c519d05-8287-385a-8184-833fb5f27cd7> = /Users/USER/*/shell-57930f41-7a1fb969.eln 0x118cdc000 - 0x118ce3fff dired-x-a2e5c184-af3819ee.eln = (*) <928cceb0-5ebc-3f49-b678-6527e2b56ef2> = /Users/USER/*/dired-x-a2e5c184-af3819ee.eln 0x118d74000 - 0x118d77fff trace-f0924b40-95ca3402.eln (*) = <830d1be2-6091-3d58-8621-b3301f058d14> = /Users/USER/*/trace-f0924b40-95ca3402.eln 0x118ec8000 - 0x118ecbfff mail-parse-5e7f4583-f9d98d34.eln = (*) <8c489507-1f47-341f-bb7b-352d626575e2> = /Users/USER/*/mail-parse-5e7f4583-f9d98d34.eln 0x118f08000 - 0x118f0bfff ietf-drums-23d9ecfe-5e9bc49d.eln = (*) <7e08a345-9d43-3fa3-bac5-bfbacfeae356> = /Users/USER/*/ietf-drums-23d9ecfe-5e9bc49d.eln 0x118f18000 - 0x118f1bfff rfc2231-e2cbed75-c04386ef.eln = (*) <58d2aae6-7c08-3f74-a947-4bb78a9a0425> = /Users/USER/*/rfc2231-e2cbed75-c04386ef.eln 0x118f88000 - 0x118f93fff rfc2047-b84e264d-7f1d93a5.eln = (*) <03a54cd2-dacf-3ce3-99d5-d3f37ac10379> = /Users/USER/*/rfc2047-b84e264d-7f1d93a5.eln 0x118fa4000 - 0x118fabfff mm-util-3a4439f0-86449de7.eln = (*) <2de299f8-0c94-3fd1-a883-e95f9114d5e8> = /Users/USER/*/mm-util-3a4439f0-86449de7.eln 0x118eb8000 - 0x118ebbfff rfc2045-713c994b-0ca50408.eln = (*) = /Users/USER/*/rfc2045-713c994b-0ca50408.eln 0x119094000 - 0x11909bfff autorevert-841d6890-8e4fff96.eln = (*) <879b53e3-6138-3ff5-910e-a917348ce2d1> = /Users/USER/*/autorevert-841d6890-8e4fff96.eln 0x1190dc000 - 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Please see the attached file. >>=20 >> I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion = failed. >>=20 >> I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration = related to GC. >>=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error. >>=20 >> Thanks! >=20 > Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: = this > assertion in trace.c in MPS failed: >=20 > AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* = */ >=20 > I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been > corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment > information. >=20 > A core dump might help us figure out more, but I don't think there is > one, right? >=20 > Pip Right, I don=E2=80=99t think there is a core dump. I can look into how = to record one in the future, but I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce this issue. Sean= --Apple-Mail=_9545C119-814B-4C76-99E7-6D77AF161D87 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jul 29, = 2025, at 1:18=E2=80=AFPM, Pip Cet <pipcet@protonmail.com> = wrote:

"Sean Devlin" = <spd@toadstyle.org> = writes:

Hi folks,

I left Emacs idle overnight, = and I found a crash log when I returned in
the morning. Please see = the attached file.

I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a = related assertion failed.

I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, = but no other configuration related to GC.

I don=E2=80=99t know = how to reproduce the error.

Thanks!

Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't = have very much to go on: this
assertion in trace.c in MPS failed:

   AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss),= SegSummary(seg))); /* <design/check/#.common> */

I think that means a memory structure = internal to MPS must have been
corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the = segment
information.

A core dump might help us figure out more, = but I don't think there is
one, = right?

Pip

Right, I = don=E2=80=99t think there is a core dump. I can look into how to record = one in
the future, but I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce = this issue.

Sean
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I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this > assertion in trace.c in MPS failed: > > AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* */ This may or may not be relevant: the GC literature defines a weak and a strong tricolor invariant. I wonder if this code checks those invariants. In fix_frame, we do something that may not be kosher: we trace the glyph pool. We can access the glyph pool because it lives outside the GC heap and has no memory barriers (and the world is stopped). However, MPS may assume that we scan such regions as roots because there are no memory barriers on them to enforce the tricolor invariants. I don't understand the invariants well enough to tell if what we do is harmless or not. Perhaps someone who does could think this through. Helmut From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 30 07:24:35 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2025 11:24:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39911 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh4vD-00076Z-Cw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:24:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh4vB-000769-Da for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:24:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uh4v4-0004Sh-Vc; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:24:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=jAvCXCit9+k5SQHRrXyCKgUDdcasKLpiFZc8xtc3cTQ=; b=TFLT57Or8GMCuAaHAF7C Sd9uIOLQp45GJ5HoL0tmAiCjqim2h8vu99FyqpeQ/6sdkaANGI/y74LQk7sCMAqFsxUFqNLGDdQz9 rh71fF6FjDWcq1rNNKKHgi8r55oxwvnqtHaV9XrrEF+nVJ92psWbOewqMZcKdE1zJrXxAlbMPoujl ZcLJPGMJWPxaFmgTKomL7VsEh0klzBsUXz3GB1Bpb6BXeXV32IZo6z+X1npZ9e7tpKntZps2EsX4p JLQGKC4bAatzxT+tlcWu4BIn7P+Lo00WMZgCoaVjPrf2N2/nLTdr9EjNbZEW7Tr1LlcLv+O9TnwCo tl5n+SxGwBApzQ==; Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 14:24:23 +0300 Message-Id: <86h5ytx6oo.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Sean Devlin In-Reply-To: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> (message from Sean Devlin on Mon, 28 Jul 2025 13:31:08 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Sean Devlin > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2025 13:31:08 -0500 > > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned in > the morning. Please see the attached file. > > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed. > > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related to GC. > > I don’t know how to reproduce the error. Can you tell what code could your Emacs be running while idle? Like, timers etc.? > Thread 0:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread > 0 Emacs 0x100863214 redisplay_internal + 208 > 1 Emacs 0x10086930c redisplay_preserve_echo_area + 132 > 2 Emacs 0x100914d5c detect_input_pending_run_timers + 144 > 3 Emacs 0x1009f4520 wait_reading_process_output + 4488 > 4 Emacs 0x100912bb4 read_char + 7444 > 5 Emacs 0x10090ee14 read_key_sequence + 1328 > 6 Emacs 0x10090d2c8 command_loop_1 + 864 > 7 Emacs 0x100992c14 internal_condition_case + 228 > 8 Emacs 0x10090cf54 command_loop_2 + 52 > 9 Emacs 0x100992218 internal_catch + 224 > 10 Emacs 0x100aecd94 command_loop.cold.1 + 88 > 11 Emacs 0x10090c784 command_loop + 156 > 12 Emacs 0x10090c618 recursive_edit_1 + 188 > 13 Emacs 0x10090c91c Frecursive_edit + 384 > 14 Emacs 0x10090b73c main + 8644 > 15 dyld 0x183686b98 start + 6076 > > Thread 1 Crashed: > 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839ee388 __pthread_kill + 8 > 1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a2788c pthread_kill + 296 > 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x1838f8d04 raise + 32 > 3 Emacs 0x100aec8d4 terminate_due_to_signal + 120 > 4 Emacs 0x100aed748 emacs_abort + 20 > 5 Emacs 0x100a4a2a0 ns_term_shutdown + 132 > 6 Emacs 0x10090951c shut_down_emacs + 360 > 7 Emacs 0x100aec938 terminate_due_to_signal + 220 > 8 Emacs 0x100a1d150 igc_assert_fail + 76 > 9 Emacs 0x100ae1b50 mps_lib_assert_fail + 32 (mpsliban.c:87) [inlined] > 10 Emacs 0x100ae1b50 traceScanSegRes + 532 (trace.c:1229) > 11 Emacs 0x100aa30e4 traceScanSeg + 40 (trace.c:1267) > 12 Emacs 0x100aa2f64 TraceSegAccess + 328 (trace.c:1320) > 13 Emacs 0x100aa84f8 SegWholeAccess + 336 (seg.c:1262) > 14 Emacs 0x100a96d44 ArenaAccess + 564 (global.c:671) > 15 Emacs 0x100ae9300 protCatchOne + 192 (protxc.c:242) [inlined] > 16 Emacs 0x100ae9300 protCatchThread + 304 (protxc.c:284) > 17 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a27c0c _pthread_start + 136 > 18 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a22b80 thread_start + 8 This indicates that thread 1 was the thread which got hit by SIGABRT. Thread 1 is NOT the main thread, which runs Lisp and redisplay. So what is thread 1, and how come it calls MPS functions? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 30 07:49:13 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2025 11:49:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40005 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh5J2-00033g-SI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:49:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48134) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh5J0-00033H-PM for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:49:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uh5Iu-0007vE-Uq; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 07:49:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=lbn3C8UVquSpPcyKfYAgyUJc4x76uuF/C0VO/L2UMuw=; b=T8Zi9glMmPtprz8Ac4kg 6VMfZIEJfCduIMSpxP7z7NVrR/V/S3C0tXpxg1dXBbTJ7bR+Ag643wPtYghTBMH+UkByuI0u1AcVG SF9uDXj7qIUS5prsr31UsGRmjnbvCvRr7femYDmAugXnQd0KoeIoRNIR0bDgQ/TOXd8r9Qe7mgBFO pT0t6RxjGyJI7KP09f724zyB7OrDyZJzhxY/9dQfDhPmjvzkfOocqCd9/BzDIq8qdJE6Oxb5kBtjO lmllWv8+UV8UkPiDETpXhYz0rPk66+TsTPN/OI12xKuauhPo1UlOjmGEerAu9SjjArSiwpXJZRwyr E4t7SuYEWCMkQg==; Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 14:48:53 +0300 Message-Id: <86cy9hx5ju.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Pip Cet In-Reply-To: <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:18:05 +0000 > From: Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > "Sean Devlin" writes: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned in > > the morning. Please see the attached file. > > > > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed. > > > > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related to GC. > > > > I don’t know how to reproduce the error. > > > > Thanks! > > Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this > assertion in trace.c in MPS failed: > > AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* */ > > I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been > corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment > information. Do you understand how come a non-main thread called MPS in this case? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 30 08:28:40 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2025 12:28:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh5vE-0005bd-3P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:28:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh5vA-0005b0-Tv for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:28:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uh5v2-0005Lf-Ug; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:28:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9Qp0ALnOfOn5MQb+9m+Q/7sHu6fwbg/n/86g9ybot7w=; b=XmXXAegpyWo+ shufQywiAVoJ8mFmJ0aJZMXBjGBQeajeOEglaKA72xfk5Y1p863GFccxSKzAt8N9nzgh0JmDN7j2M ABIpk2XpSHq2FjAgdboBMUFqQfcv6Ah93+35lPuMqVfWKgkHnKqptKJMnn4VrQbIjd/tMtUrZ5B3/ 2Jvx1qL6Gs3xBQWvtXvCAQOk5vNfJGUWzwCxk6zU8dFjJ0Bc12ijHKPPkIYWXZ96LOYk+18E85dTJ HHDsu7oOS6FMVdA+KluBbg5CnImj8ROnx+9jY2pfC+ZrBylTHlXH06wyTY6ug7dmdjObnYHb1VlpU UqKffAuWsfJR+fafG8K9XA==; Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 15:28:10 +0300 Message-Id: <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Helmut Eller In-Reply-To: <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Helmut Eller on Wed, 30 Jul 2025 05:43:48 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Sean Devlin , 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Helmut Eller > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 05:43:48 +0200 > > On Tue, Jul 29 2025, Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrote: > > > Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this > > assertion in trace.c in MPS failed: > > > > AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* */ > > This may or may not be relevant: the GC literature defines a weak and a > strong tricolor invariant. I wonder if this code checks those > invariants. > > In fix_frame, we do something that may not be kosher: we trace the glyph > pool. We can access the glyph pool because it lives outside the GC heap > and has no memory barriers (and the world is stopped). However, MPS may > assume that we scan such regions as roots because there are no memory > barriers on them to enforce the tricolor invariants. I don't understand > the invariants well enough to tell if what we do is harmless or not. > Perhaps someone who does could think this through. You seem to be talking about the data structures manipulated by the display engine, but the thread which got hit with SIGABRT was not the main thread (which indeed was in redisplay), it's some other thread. And I wonder how come that other thread called MPS. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 30 08:30:49 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2025 12:30:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40196 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh5xI-0005ox-W1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:30:49 -0400 Received: from mail-24417.protonmail.ch ([109.224.244.17]:48853) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh5xE-0005oM-Kp for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:30:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1753878637; x=1754137837; bh=61BgXeOoso5sTSTIUlu+rVJWRSUX3G7FiYWnpFp8Yjw=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=LriHU4ZGhIzdUicTK2bJgHEIo7PAWcpDSDp8ezcovIuo97RpAZ3/CHloBp2fSA1q1 4WTL2eC1AYuGhXjd3Lg7HdiMbRR1+GN5I9rlkbHhhiqoUjmK9v6rqgyOAESpIAzxUh RSmyr0F67lFEElPCCyNC4yINsNUvQJpORCI3tfa7t1YOvrPB9F5dA0L+IUVVn/K7ZX 0Pl1AW129ll8gapgRSU3Ftc+JAc8yXckDlDm89eeP/mRaThuFItsSeZ4zQzwldx2P0 qm/BxfkFoW3cJ646QGDbaUjW3s14IS2Hnee4IZ89FhvomBuG+TeUbtnQGomIyHnWom FU5kjOUqaE6+Q== Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:30:31 +0000 To: Eli Zaretskii From: Pip Cet Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build Message-ID: <87ectxdfp8.fsf@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86cy9hx5ju.fsf@gnu.org> References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <86cy9hx5ju.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 112775352:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 6e44e0d53ca2edc5dd6459bb9090cf3a00e12c61 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "Eli Zaretskii" writes: >> Cc: 79116@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:18:05 +0000 >> From: Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" >> >> "Sean Devlin" writes: >> >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned i= n >> > the morning. Please see the attached file. >> > >> > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed= . >> > >> > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration relat= ed to GC. >> > >> > I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error. >> > >> > Thanks! >> >> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this >> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed: >> >> AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* */ >> >> I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been >> corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment >> information. > > Do you understand how come a non-main thread called MPS in this case? Yes, MPS uses a separate thread to handle Mach exceptions on macOS, rather than a signal handler. Most likely, the main thread accessed memory behind a memory barrier and was suspended while the protection thread attempted to lift the barrier, but that ran into an assertion violation and aborted instead. Pip From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 30 08:47:01 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2025 12:47:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40311 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh6Cy-0006xy-Es for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:47:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41270) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh6Cv-0006xj-8s for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:46:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uh6Co-00083x-G5; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:46:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=SOAO5ppjtHmGexOAd7xPRWZQ8gRN9i0NRHQW8Wwl8q0=; b=T0cy/+VlgRCS5lrHYoLG RygATLeG0H/QH8pBLBX456PnLT87zQ2vgwmS48aIC+ZDHC2MvqGeQVW9eLjcr34cZ54m26A0bB3sZ cDJHPbpqtqWX5IGqgI9VDNckcSfsWGxeNjqtyz/0VmvVXszPFiNH73ACWDwOxyN+UT7S0Bt5+oKQq dTthCg8f8uwRFbcDJsGVKNONWuSfLS0hqaDhrgqFU0wD2BMjhN8xCuhtyXxCblVbgdZVwwH9Ds4dQ cBfXYoYn25n5UWY8SVTotzJOB3mNlMxPqM9g2eEdhcrQyp6LfSO21Ssfq8ERdFlwXcuFVDGsdsa72 KNYn/ctVyc/gdg==; Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 15:46:45 +0300 Message-Id: <86wm7pvoay.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Pip Cet In-Reply-To: <87ectxdfp8.fsf@protonmail.com> (message from Pip Cet on Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:30:31 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <86cy9hx5ju.fsf@gnu.org> <87ectxdfp8.fsf@protonmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:30:31 +0000 > From: Pip Cet > Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > > "Eli Zaretskii" writes: > > >> Cc: 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:18:05 +0000 > >> From: Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" > >> > >> "Sean Devlin" writes: > >> > >> > Hi folks, > >> > > >> > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returned in > >> > the morning. Please see the attached file. > >> > > >> > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion failed. > >> > > >> > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration related to GC. > >> > > >> > I don’t know how to reproduce the error. > >> > > >> > Thanks! > >> > >> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this > >> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed: > >> > >> AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* */ > >> > >> I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been > >> corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment > >> information. > > > > Do you understand how come a non-main thread called MPS in this case? > > Yes, MPS uses a separate thread to handle Mach exceptions on macOS, > rather than a signal handler. Are we sure this is that separate thread? What are the indications of that? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 30 08:51:41 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2025 12:51:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40339 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh6HU-0007Kx-JS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:51:40 -0400 Received: from mail-24416.protonmail.ch ([109.224.244.16]:56731) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh6HR-0007KW-8u for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:51:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1753879890; x=1754139090; bh=IjW3DHJrELeCMTFZUtCvbuPdBBx19yzoXW87XxfCFf4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=lLwre6XLVwJK3+MCjayyZjRXY+tkPo/fthh6brL4EGpnUtC2z/R7lc6MdkCOD5jlp JlwWOD7aH6BpTsNNq3GbexWygkaG7YblofjvzB7vJWUJPzjnEshAyc0lVJZgTu0+HV 7vUxHDESwZFt62pg1goGr4cOM4hnfKrE6jCTDzxVxMMgV8m5an9rDgBy6nDLNEjfTW j57u/cNVlaOCRlKdWWs2qYYOePDgYqt1QFaB3lUvANXAukOKrAgtagEuMmhDODNWre ab3sqFq6oh5xzkwoItYRwbSS4DOxQCbIZhrXxYauMQswKW5j+JQOEYWyUIchgI+i5R MeJy4O9j768kw== Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:51:24 +0000 To: Helmut Eller From: Pip Cet Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build Message-ID: <878qk5deqf.fsf@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> Feedback-ID: 112775352:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 837ea7e3faca3ca9efffa0ae65028ec70cd4fc06 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: Sean Devlin , 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "Helmut Eller" writes: > On Tue, Jul 29 2025, Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss ar= my knife of text editors" wrote: > >> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: this >> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed: >> >> AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* */ > > This may or may not be relevant: the GC literature defines a weak and a > strong tricolor invariant. I wonder if this code checks those > invariants. > > In fix_frame, we do something that may not be kosher: we trace the glyph > pool. We can access the glyph pool because it lives outside the GC heap > and has no memory barriers (and the world is stopped). However, MPS may > assume that we scan such regions as roots because there are no memory > barriers on them to enforce the tricolor invariants. I don't understand > the invariants well enough to tell if what we do is harmless or not. > Perhaps someone who does could think this through. Good catch! I think you're absolutely correct. What we do there definitely isn't correct: if one of the frame's pools is behind a read barrier, there's a tiny race condition, but a write barrier would effectively be ignored, which might well cause problems like this one. But we should fix it even if it didn't cause this particular crash. igc_xpalloc_ambig shouldn't be hard to do, but it's probably better for performance to turn glyph pools into their own IGC object type. Pip From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 30 08:58:09 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2025 12:58:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40379 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh6Nl-0007iE-6B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:58:09 -0400 Received: from mail-4316.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.16]:58905) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uh6Nh-0007hV-S1 for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jul 2025 08:58:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1753880278; x=1754139478; bh=N5fFHYEZ+NQTchI4Pj3Be1H8Yq/BQ17pSnaBwvFFByw=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=AQ8Ngz4sZ+p9gOwancL3phSDzxbOaGopX2viHJ9WwoKLGg7Vb+eYShPVFPpti1xNa r0enh/OL3jtGhpw6eNIgib84sQsFJzJyElQ9c1FVjfEDrNokD8GOD6uz2AcTpiJ3EJ 5tnrDK5yiqT+DKOwBoFfl12sOZ/EItnO3+aO5eiEXhFtrBhbsJWc0VzXQnQbsny5k5 owNmJCaARAt2uj5m8s4im0zp3llF3/VMUVLs9FKkwIUpvCHMfZ4jElTASpsOwRt6Gs Detwwbao05Cc5DovhlbmguDz1h2IA8KT0cpZBJVo5llkhQX6mtkpNSJxS3J0JEUdAG KJrGWWD7XDAtg== Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:57:55 +0000 To: Eli Zaretskii From: Pip Cet Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build Message-ID: <87zfclbzv3.fsf@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86wm7pvoay.fsf@gnu.org> References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <86cy9hx5ju.fsf@gnu.org> <87ectxdfp8.fsf@protonmail.com> <86wm7pvoay.fsf@gnu.org> Feedback-ID: 112775352:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 3b9712d075ec062d6eaaf1dcec724ba9a7316239 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "Eli Zaretskii" writes: >> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2025 12:30:31 +0000 >> From: Pip Cet >> Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> "Eli Zaretskii" writes: >> >> >> Cc: 79116@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2025 18:18:05 +0000 >> >> From: Pip Cet via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, >> >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" >> >> >> >> "Sean Devlin" writes: >> >> >> >> > Hi folks, >> >> > >> >> > I left Emacs idle overnight, and I found a crash log when I returne= d in >> >> > the morning. Please see the attached file. >> >> > >> >> > I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion fai= led. >> >> > >> >> > I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration re= lated to GC. >> >> > >> >> > I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks! >> >> >> >> Thanks for the report. I'm afraid we don't have very much to go on: t= his >> >> assertion in trace.c in MPS failed: >> >> >> >> AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /*= */ >> >> >> >> I think that means a memory structure internal to MPS must have been >> >> corrupted; either the ScanState on the stack, or the segment >> >> information. >> > >> > Do you understand how come a non-main thread called MPS in this case? >> >> Yes, MPS uses a separate thread to handle Mach exceptions on macOS, >> rather than a signal handler. > > Are we sure this is that separate thread? Yes, we are. > What are the indications of that? The backtrace clearly indicates that thread 1 is the one running code from protxc.c, and it is thread 1 which crashed. 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I think that's the usual way how page faults are handled on MacOS: 1. the main thread hits a memory barrier (in this case in redisplay) 2. the Mach kernel stops the main thread and sends an message to process' exception port 3. there is a dedicated thread that reads the message from the exception port. It's this thread that calls into MPS and copies/scans objects as needed. In this case that triggered the assertion. I'm not sure when or how the main thread is resumed. Gerd would certainly know. 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Please see the attached file. >>=20 >> I'm using the IGC branch, and it looks like a related assertion = failed. >>=20 >> I have igc-step-interval set to 0.05, but no other configuration = related to GC. >>=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t know how to reproduce the error. >=20 > Can you tell what code could your Emacs be running while idle? Like, > timers etc.? Here are the timers I have running: 5.0s 5.0s auto-revert-buffers 2m 0.6s 5m savehist-autosave 22m 14.7s 1h org-persist--refresh-gc-lock * 0.1s t show-paren-function * 0.5s t which-func-update * 0.5s t jit-lock-context--update * 0.5s :repeat blink-cursor-start * 4h 0m 0.0s repeat ef-themes-load-random The last one might be relevant, since I added it within the last week. = Basically, it is choosing a new theme after Emacs has been idle for four = hours. This entails disabling the currently enabled theme and then = enabling a new one. >=20 >> Thread 0:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread >> 0 Emacs 0x100863214 = redisplay_internal + 208 >> 1 Emacs 0x10086930c = redisplay_preserve_echo_area + 132 >> 2 Emacs 0x100914d5c = detect_input_pending_run_timers + 144 >> 3 Emacs 0x1009f4520 = wait_reading_process_output + 4488 >> 4 Emacs 0x100912bb4 read_char + = 7444 >> 5 Emacs 0x10090ee14 = read_key_sequence + 1328 >> 6 Emacs 0x10090d2c8 = command_loop_1 + 864 >> 7 Emacs 0x100992c14 = internal_condition_case + 228 >> 8 Emacs 0x10090cf54 = command_loop_2 + 52 >> 9 Emacs 0x100992218 = internal_catch + 224 >> 10 Emacs 0x100aecd94 = command_loop.cold.1 + 88 >> 11 Emacs 0x10090c784 command_loop = + 156 >> 12 Emacs 0x10090c618 = recursive_edit_1 + 188 >> 13 Emacs 0x10090c91c = Frecursive_edit + 384 >> 14 Emacs 0x10090b73c main + 8644 >> 15 dyld 0x183686b98 start + 6076 >>=20 >> Thread 1 Crashed: >> 0 libsystem_kernel.dylib 0x1839ee388 = __pthread_kill + 8 >> 1 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a2788c pthread_kill = + 296 >> 2 libsystem_c.dylib 0x1838f8d04 raise + 32 >> 3 Emacs 0x100aec8d4 = terminate_due_to_signal + 120 >> 4 Emacs 0x100aed748 emacs_abort + = 20 >> 5 Emacs 0x100a4a2a0 = ns_term_shutdown + 132 >> 6 Emacs 0x10090951c = shut_down_emacs + 360 >> 7 Emacs 0x100aec938 = terminate_due_to_signal + 220 >> 8 Emacs 0x100a1d150 = igc_assert_fail + 76 >> 9 Emacs 0x100ae1b50 = mps_lib_assert_fail + 32 (mpsliban.c:87) [inlined] >> 10 Emacs 0x100ae1b50 = traceScanSegRes + 532 (trace.c:1229) >> 11 Emacs 0x100aa30e4 traceScanSeg = + 40 (trace.c:1267) >> 12 Emacs 0x100aa2f64 = TraceSegAccess + 328 (trace.c:1320) >> 13 Emacs 0x100aa84f8 = SegWholeAccess + 336 (seg.c:1262) >> 14 Emacs 0x100a96d44 ArenaAccess + = 564 (global.c:671) >> 15 Emacs 0x100ae9300 protCatchOne = + 192 (protxc.c:242) [inlined] >> 16 Emacs 0x100ae9300 = protCatchThread + 304 (protxc.c:284) >> 17 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a27c0c = _pthread_start + 136 >> 18 libsystem_pthread.dylib 0x183a22b80 thread_start = + 8 >=20 > This indicates that thread 1 was the thread which got hit by SIGABRT. > Thread 1 is NOT the main thread, which runs Lisp and redisplay. So > what is thread 1, and how come it calls MPS functions? 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[2003:e0:b70f:1400:d179:419d:be22:41c4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-3b79c453ca1sm1916978f8f.48.2025.07.31.03.07.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 31 Jul 2025 03:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Helmut Eller Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build In-Reply-To: <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 12:07:29 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, Eli Zaretskii , 79116@debbugs.gnu.org, pipcet@protonmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Helmut Eller writes: > On Wed, Jul 30 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> You seem to be talking about the data structures manipulated by the >> display engine, but the thread which got hit with SIGABRT was not the >> main thread (which indeed was in redisplay), it's some other thread. >> And I wonder how come that other thread called MPS. > > I think that's the usual way how page faults are handled on MacOS: > > 1. the main thread hits a memory barrier (in this case in redisplay) > > 2. the Mach kernel stops the main thread and sends an message to > process' exception port > > 3. there is a dedicated thread that reads the message from the > exception port. It's this thread that calls into MPS and > copies/scans objects as needed. In this case that triggered the > assertion. > > I'm not sure when or how the main thread is resumed. Gerd would > certainly know. I'm not reading emacs-bugs normally, feel free to CC me, if there is something I can help with.) The barrier on macOS is a Match port. A port is a message queue olus a thread handling messages. When a barrier is the oS stops the thread hitting the barrier, and send the exception handler a message. The thread of the exception does its MPS things, and tells the OS to resume the thread having the problem. BTW, glyph pools are only used for tty frames. Don't know if that plays a role here. 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Don't know if that plays > a role here. I didn't know that. And the glyph matrix, is that a tty-only thing too? Anyway, my concern is a bit more general: I think that objects without memory barriers, (e.g. structs allocated with malloc) should be scanned as roots. E.g. in fix_frame there is code that uses FRAME_FONT and to get the address of some field in a device dependent struct. This struct is not protected by a memory barrier; I think these kind of structs should be roots. In the MPS paper, section "Phase 4: Black Mutator Tracing", they say that gray and white segments are read protected. I assume that also means that, at his point, there are no write barriers. If the mutator can read a pointer to a white object from a struct without read barriers and put the white pointer in a black object, then we have a problem. That's why I think that structs without memory barriers should be roots. There might be special circumstances where code like in fix_frame is sufficient. E.g. if for some reason all paths to the font field go though the read-protected frame. But I think those special conditions are hard to think about and it would be simpler to just make the thing a root. 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[2003:e0:b70f:1400:d179:419d:be22:41c4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-3b79c3b9074sm2947587f8f.17.2025.07.31.10.16.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 31 Jul 2025 10:16:28 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Helmut Eller Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build In-Reply-To: <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 19:16:27 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, Eli Zaretskii , 79116@debbugs.gnu.org, pipcet@protonmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Helmut Eller writes: > On Thu, Jul 31 2025, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > >> BTW, glyph pools are only used for tty frames. Don't know if that=20 >> a role here. > > I didn't know that. And the glyph matrix, is that a tty-only thing > too? No, every window has a glyph matrix. On ttys, window glyph matrices are sub-allocated from a frame matrix, and all matrices are allocated from glyph pools. On GUIs there are neither frame matrices nor glyph pools, and windows manage the matrix memory themselves. See dispnew.c, allocate_matrices_for_window_redisplay, and allocate_matrices_for_frame_redisplay. > Anyway, my concern is a bit more general: I think that objects without > memory barriers, (e.g. structs allocated with malloc) should be scanned > as roots. > > E.g. in fix_frame there is code that uses FRAME_FONT and to get the > address of some field in a device dependent struct. This struct is not > protected by a memory barrier; I think these kind of structs should be > roots. > > In the MPS paper, section "Phase 4: Black Mutator Tracing", they say > that gray and white segments are read protected. I assume that also > means that, at his point, there are no write barriers. If the mutator > can read a pointer to a white object from a struct without read barriers > and put the white pointer in a black object, then we have a problem. > That's why I think that structs without memory barriers should be roots. > > There might be special circumstances where code like in fix_frame is > sufficient. E.g. if for some reason all paths to the font field go > though the read-protected frame. But I think those special conditions > are hard to think about and it would be simpler to just make the thing a > root. Hm, could be. And what you say makes sense to me, as a potential problem. I've never studied the MPS implementation in depth, so I don't know if they take this into account, and have something for this case. The only thing I remember from the docs is that one is allowed, while scanning, in our case in the fix functions, to access non-MPS memory. I don't think the docs say that one may not scan such non-MPS memory. But I could be wrong of course, or it's something missing in the docs. Hm, don't know what's best to do. At least it can't be the reason for the current case, right? OTOH, making the pools roots is also not a catastrophe either. BTW, The frame in struct glyph is only used on ttys, it's something for child frames on ttys. That's why I scan only the pools, from which all matrices are sub-allocated.=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 01 01:59:25 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2025 05:59:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53900 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhinc-0005kv-Sg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 01:59:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50542) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhinZ-0005kX-JB for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 01:59:22 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uhinT-0003Mo-VE; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 01:59:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=O7fDvEpBdC2f5MTaqSf/hgdbITXa3tu19pLaRpM4vcs=; b=fuHb17E7M59x /s45G8pXhyX8WBUzrF0AgYJ/HpF/j+uCzoCLiKX1H3nggXe4fpBrOmNmyZkEGqydoSXM0IMwgZOl4 zWqNv7/9NSHhTQ4GJ6tEhrjuSu0Ljn9k8ZWjQtkixUv4nveJIYZ1ZUtWK6vGJ9c8JPhlb9Ox5FP7M 5OyBaz6nGh+ODc+/qO9AkPVLLJkvap2Kv9NpYsnP+gA4adBB1uuOEinZBdJTTz4ZMhoZlYxQ/CK9J B1YV1Dqy7aT+X5BaMCnEo6FTlrFb2MaN/QzQniQvAhx/VLZSZSb04DKYKNTV1Xb/jx+3uVVYJOYF5 qz0rs+Z1gyliRoQ/bfAL4A==; Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 08:59:12 +0300 Message-Id: <86zfcjtwen.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Helmut Eller In-Reply-To: <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Helmut Eller on Thu, 31 Jul 2025 18:46:49 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Helmut Eller > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , spd@toadstyle.org, > pipcet@protonmail.com, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 18:46:49 +0200 > > Anyway, my concern is a bit more general: I think that objects without > memory barriers, (e.g. structs allocated with malloc) should be scanned > as roots. This is very general, and in that general form quite scary. Emacs allocates with malloc all over the place, and most such allocations have nothing to do with Lisp objects. So I hope we can have rules that determine whether a given malloc'ed object needs to be scanned or not, because otherwise we'll force MPS to scan too much, and lose the single most important advantage it gives us: that its GC cycles are fast and don't stop the application code for prolonged periods of time. 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At least it can't be the reason for > the current case, right? The assertion was: AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* */ It looks like MPS found a reference to a zone/generation that it was not expecting to find. If something is able to by-pass memory barriers it could create such unexpected references. Of course, I'm just speculating. I don't even know how Pip figured out that this particular assertion failed. I would not change anything without a reproducible test case. Could be tricky to create the problematic situation: the access must happen after the flip and not go through read-protected objects. 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[2003:e0:b717:d300:4d5:edde:baba:e34f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-3b79c466838sm5068871f8f.49.2025.08.01.00.11.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 01 Aug 2025 00:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Helmut Eller Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build In-Reply-To: <87jz3nwmp3.fsf@gmail.com> References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> <87jz3nwmp3.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 09:11:40 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, Eli Zaretskii , 79116@debbugs.gnu.org, pipcet@protonmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Helmut Eller writes: > On Thu, Jul 31 2025, Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > >> Hm, don't know what's best to do. At least it can't be the reason for >> the current case, right? > > The assertion was: > > AVER(RefSetSub(ScanStateUnfixedSummary(ss), SegSummary(seg))); /* */ > > It looks like MPS found a reference to a zone/generation that it was not > expecting to find. If something is able to by-pass memory barriers it > could create such unexpected references. Of course, I'm just > speculating. I don't even know how Pip figured out that this particular > assertion failed. > > I would not change anything without a reproducible test case. Could be > tricky to create the problematic situation: the access must happen after > the flip and not go through read-protected objects. I think I agree. FWIW, I'm running tty Emacs all the time, so glyph pools are in use, and I haven't see anything happening. But who knows... 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Emacs > allocates with malloc all over the place, and most such allocations > have nothing to do with Lisp objects. If there aren't any Lisp objects involved, then there is no problem. The problematic cases are (or could be) structs that are malloc'd and contain references to GC-managed objects. > So I hope we can have rules > that determine whether a given malloc'ed object needs to be scanned or > not, because otherwise we'll force MPS to scan too much, and lose the > single most important advantage it gives us: that its GC cycles are > fast and don't stop the application code for prolonged periods of > time. Yes, it would require more work during the root scanning phase. However, performance of igc is already unconvincing: throughput with the old GC and gc-cons-percentage = 1.0 is better than with igc. For latency, we have no benchmarks; so I'm not convinced that igc actually has lower latency. Even if igc has lower latency, the current way igc triggers opportunistic GC doesn't work well: I've often seen "Opportunism: client predicts plenty of idle time, so start full collection." messages when I was about to type something. 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[2003:e0:b717:d300:4d5:edde:baba:e34f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-615a8fe7a15sm2329316a12.40.2025.08.01.01.12.58 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 01 Aug 2025 01:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Helmut Eller Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build In-Reply-To: <877bznwlfc.fsf@gmail.com> References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> <86zfcjtwen.fsf@gnu.org> <877bznwlfc.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 10:12:58 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, Eli Zaretskii , 79116@debbugs.gnu.org, pipcet@protonmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Helmut Eller writes: > However, performance of igc is already unconvincing: throughput with the > old GC and gc-cons-percentage = 1.0 is better than with igc. For > latency, we have no benchmarks; so I'm not convinced that igc actually > has lower latency. > > Even if igc has lower latency, the current way igc triggers > opportunistic GC doesn't work well: I've often seen "Opportunism: client > predicts plenty of idle time, so start full collection." messages when I > was about to type something. For me, neither throughput nor latency are important. What I care about is pause times in interactive use. I've been using using igc for > 1 year, and I am now running emacs-mac for 10 days, with the old GC. GC-wise, emacs-mac is definitely a step back :-). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 01 06:21:48 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2025 10:21:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55181 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhmtX-0001Wh-Sc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 06:21:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53738) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhmtU-0001WG-J0 for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 06:21:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uhmtM-0005UZ-FF; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 06:21:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=qcBdX4EzNkNh7nDuCYv8JIKez9kCZ1onrVrDI47wGW4=; b=B6OePnO1Iuxl md1Tqh8YVIKOb5r5Se82d+sZenYZ0Zfbs+1t5ccZD1DZfW2SQQYx1bM0s79zJvdemsncAFDOs6WaY STb+wOvVS6NmQPwrrpebZTYgJV4mZYEurb/nr6NzyWcfozkqekCmQwMX+e1DbLr+a9+XPFZDb/TQ6 CFq+BcNhHpc2F55tdZdm56P3ZlThgH8kI1GBB6GUwvPfwbt2KucUZ+pBpQ7MMC/W96e4DoZwiZRP3 ECfNQWJWxg7DgZyPpdBtFPsUD6EAuSyBioYkrTRBygh8jKtMLHD0/PJtkzn1w1RKADFGva0/ZlptP qmjasYVtbW1cKYEvp1cj7Q==; Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 13:21:31 +0300 Message-Id: <86ikj7tk9g.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Helmut Eller In-Reply-To: <877bznwlfc.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Helmut Eller on Fri, 01 Aug 2025 09:28:07 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> <86zfcjtwen.fsf@gnu.org> <877bznwlfc.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Helmut Eller > Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, > 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 09:28:07 +0200 > > On Fri, Aug 01 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> From: Helmut Eller > >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , spd@toadstyle.org, > >> pipcet@protonmail.com, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > >> Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2025 18:46:49 +0200 > >> > >> Anyway, my concern is a bit more general: I think that objects without > >> memory barriers, (e.g. structs allocated with malloc) should be scanned > >> as roots. > > > > This is very general, and in that general form quite scary. Emacs > > allocates with malloc all over the place, and most such allocations > > have nothing to do with Lisp objects. > > If there aren't any Lisp objects involved, then there is no problem. > The problematic cases are (or could be) structs that are malloc'd and > contain references to GC-managed objects. What is a "GC-managed object", for this purpose? How can one determine whether a given object is or isn't GC-managed? > > So I hope we can have rules > > that determine whether a given malloc'ed object needs to be scanned or > > not, because otherwise we'll force MPS to scan too much, and lose the > > single most important advantage it gives us: that its GC cycles are > > fast and don't stop the application code for prolonged periods of > > time. > > Yes, it would require more work during the root scanning phase. > > However, performance of igc is already unconvincing: throughput with the > old GC and gc-cons-percentage = 1.0 is better than with igc. Did you try to run interactively with gc-cons-percentage = 1.0? If you did, can you share the experience? > For latency, we have no benchmarks; so I'm not convinced that igc > actually has lower latency. My anecdotal evidence from running the igc branch is unambiguous: it is significantly less "stuttering" than the master branch. > Even if igc has lower latency, the current way igc triggers > opportunistic GC doesn't work well: I've often seen "Opportunism: client > predicts plenty of idle time, so start full collection." messages when I > was about to type something. So maybe some tuning is in order? 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How can one > determine whether a given object is or isn't GC-managed? Objects that allocated on the GC heap and automatically freed are GC-managed. [...] >> Yes, it would require more work during the root scanning phase. >> >> However, performance of igc is already unconvincing: throughput with the >> old GC and gc-cons-percentage = 1.0 is better than with igc. > > Did you try to run interactively with gc-cons-percentage = 1.0? If > you did, can you share the experience? No. I usually run igc with an MPS debug build; it has much longer and noticeable GC pauses than a regular built. However, I have a bunch of benchmarks and those are executed inside GNU screen [*]. I don't claim that the benchmarks are good or relevant or anything. For the longest time I didn't even know that batch mode uses a different gc-cons-percentage. Doh! 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Is that with gc-cons-percentage = 0.1? >> Even if igc has lower latency, the current way igc triggers >> opportunistic GC doesn't work well: I've often seen "Opportunism: client >> predicts plenty of idle time, so start full collection." messages when I >> was about to type something. > > So maybe some tuning is in order? Definitely. 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Care to tell more about that Whipped GC? I don't think I've ever heard that term. 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I don't think I've ever heard > that term. > I'm guessing he means the guile whippet gc https://github.com/wingo/whippet --000000000000d2cdb7063b4c7a4d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 7:54=E2=80=AFAM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com> wrote:
Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com> writ= es:

> The master-X versions are for gc-cons-percentage =3D X.=C2=A0 wgc is a= branch
> with a half finished Whipped GC.

Care to tell more about that Whipped GC? I don't think I've ever he= ard
that term.

I'm guessing he means the guile whippet gc= =C2=A0https://github.com/wingo= /whippet

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[2003:e0:b717:d300:4d5:edde:baba:e34f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-615a86758fcsm2712955a12.0.2025.08.01.05.16.03 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 01 Aug 2025 05:16:04 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: =?utf-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= Marks Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build In-Reply-To: References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> <86zfcjtwen.fsf@gnu.org> <877bznwlfc.fsf@gmail.com> <86ikj7tk9g.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0s3uv07.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 14:16:03 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: spd@toadstyle.org, Eli Zaretskii , 79116@debbugs.gnu.org, Helmut Eller , pipcet@protonmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) St=C3=A9phane Marks writes: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2025 at 7:54=E2=80=AFAM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > > Helmut Eller writes: > > > The master-X versions are for gc-cons-percentage =3D X. wgc is a bran= ch > > with a half finished Whipped GC. > > Care to tell more about that Whipped GC? I don't think I've ever heard > that term. > > I'm guessing he means the guile whippet gc https://github.com/wingo/whipp= et Ah, thanks, that makew sense. Forgot about that one. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 01 08:29:07 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2025 12:29:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55610 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhosl-0003xY-13 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 08:29:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhosg-0003wo-A8 for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 08:29:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uhosX-0004tq-Mo; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 08:28:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=scJuIGUsLacJgcyjy1co9PExC2d/SmCgi18ipxjJJ6s=; b=CadLd08jzHnR cg1HA7iojUjZbZNSg0kyYGZTNbH/coC/Q7owxgLcYHrh3q5YgvrG3WbRBLrO1W++XzhxQq0HrdH3z 3TYdKc2ECk2snJQq2VinKtYMvzA+IJy+8EHY5Ln7UIJohDliN6ecsSb5Th7v8RALLNpA1FsbcCt2u I2clMY9VBs8Iwh2oYqAYLo2gyo3Dd7gy9R8ici4mBvjaUGjlRBssTfvFeVPt018TqkBeNI9YOta4f mg7YfhtECOYSFPT7H/ZRy30+jTZUqacULO7uUPFEBQwxyIAg6d20YGBs9Sn0DYIaDiVPVooLZG2ww eBmDuVAi8WRtncwYHXDWbw==; Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 15:28:28 +0300 Message-Id: <86h5yrtedv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Helmut Eller In-Reply-To: <87y0s3uv07.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Helmut Eller on Fri, 01 Aug 2025 13:44:08 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> <86zfcjtwen.fsf@gnu.org> <877bznwlfc.fsf@gmail.com> <86ikj7tk9g.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0s3uv07.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Helmut Eller > Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, > 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 13:44:08 +0200 > > >> If there aren't any Lisp objects involved, then there is no problem. > >> The problematic cases are (or could be) structs that are malloc'd and > >> contain references to GC-managed objects. > > > > What is a "GC-managed object", for this purpose? How can one > > determine whether a given object is or isn't GC-managed? > > Objects that allocated on the GC heap and automatically freed are > GC-managed. That answers the first question I asked, but not the second one, which is what is important in practice. > >> Yes, it would require more work during the root scanning phase. > >> > >> However, performance of igc is already unconvincing: throughput with the > >> old GC and gc-cons-percentage = 1.0 is better than with igc. > > > > Did you try to run interactively with gc-cons-percentage = 1.0? If > > you did, can you share the experience? > > No. I usually run igc with an MPS debug build; it has much longer and > noticeable GC pauses than a regular built. > > However, I have a bunch of benchmarks and those are executed inside GNU > screen [*]. I don't claim that the benchmarks are good or relevant or > anything. For the longest time I didn't even know that batch mode uses > a different gc-cons-percentage. Doh! The results, with all its > badness, are: The "real" data seems to contradict what both Gerd and myself see in interactive usage: the pause times, such as they are, in the igc branch are significantly shorter, almost as if they didn't exist. > > My anecdotal evidence from running the igc branch is unambiguous: it > > is significantly less "stuttering" than the master branch. > > Is that with gc-cons-percentage = 0.1? I compare "emacs -Q", so yes. 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Then I don't know the answer. [...] >> However, I have a bunch of benchmarks and those are executed inside GNU >> screen [*]. I don't claim that the benchmarks are good or relevant or >> anything. For the longest time I didn't even know that batch mode uses >> a different gc-cons-percentage. Doh! The results, with all its >> badness, are: > > The "real" data seems to contradict what both Gerd and myself see in > interactive usage: the pause times, such as they are, in the igc > branch are significantly shorter, almost as if they didn't exist. Well, you didn't define let alone quantify pause times. >> > My anecdotal evidence from running the igc branch is unambiguous: it >> > is significantly less "stuttering" than the master branch. >> >> Is that with gc-cons-percentage = 0.1? > > I compare "emacs -Q", so yes. With gc-cons-percentage = 0.1 the GC runs very often. Bigger values would likely have better performance. Helmut From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 01 09:59:14 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2025 13:59:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56366 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhqHy-0001dH-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 09:59:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45790) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhqHv-0001cv-1B for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 09:59:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uhqHp-0005eo-0y; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 09:59:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=l0tdriDhUMmqgb0LtqwMwdewQJ6X3m/MeZ4zsLMHxVQ=; b=sJ1lH/m2KEhU iVRGYQ+hwxbcqkcX/USoJaOUDC1d3hDYMY+AjToVrubiqBADLf08QP/BKCY9gAOc5BFK0Qgo0CrbD qTK1K6mzaX6QKf14x7ei743QBFTYzQQryI3m6pfJFIJHRKaQfibqrdeOd4lVeEID11dM/lkWUa9SY 3oPPcpN3gZwfxY7l2FjkZy0dzfIC1sgeJvOABQROg5J5z1xjvfX/2TrgVRY/TYWsIK3N6KkyKfQh2 jj+eRps9C7ijPAFYDtNAQZJbMtvExtrXXe/HlBcg/DTlTynw666xpcow0Q4Jthgh25Tt8JuWlZM5/ NWUSwHzWyg+iM8+Pd5VlWg==; Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 16:58:18 +0300 Message-Id: <86cy9fta85.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Helmut Eller In-Reply-To: <87jz3nuq1n.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Helmut Eller on Fri, 01 Aug 2025 15:31:16 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> <86zfcjtwen.fsf@gnu.org> <877bznwlfc.fsf@gmail.com> <86ikj7tk9g.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0s3uv07.fsf@gmail.com> <86h5yrtedv.fsf@gnu.org> <87jz3nuq1n.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Helmut Eller > Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, > 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 15:31:16 +0200 > > On Fri, Aug 01 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> Objects that allocated on the GC heap and automatically freed are > >> GC-managed. > > > > That answers the first question I asked, but not the second one, which > > is what is important in practice. > > Then I don't know the answer. I think we will have to define these indications. Or at least we should try. It's important for future maintenance. > >> However, I have a bunch of benchmarks and those are executed inside GNU > >> screen [*]. I don't claim that the benchmarks are good or relevant or > >> anything. For the longest time I didn't even know that batch mode uses > >> a different gc-cons-percentage. Doh! The results, with all its > >> badness, are: > > > > The "real" data seems to contradict what both Gerd and myself see in > > interactive usage: the pause times, such as they are, in the igc > > branch are significantly shorter, almost as if they didn't exist. > > Well, you didn't define let alone quantify pause times. My estimation is that pauses while scrolling through xdisp.c take a few hundred milliseconds. > >> > My anecdotal evidence from running the igc branch is unambiguous: it > >> > is significantly less "stuttering" than the master branch. > >> > >> Is that with gc-cons-percentage = 0.1? > > > > I compare "emacs -Q", so yes. > > With gc-cons-percentage = 0.1 the GC runs very often. Bigger values > would likely have better performance. Which might mean our default value is too low. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Aug 01 10:01:08 2025 Received: (at 79116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Aug 2025 14:01:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56378 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhqJo-0001pK-8E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 10:01:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51870) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uhqJl-0001od-Ks for 79116@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 10:01:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uhqJg-0006BI-84; Fri, 01 Aug 2025 10:01:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=npoWc+gayNwQDrTxElCgqi5u2AgyV9GUf5pWfOL/iqY=; b=ZpE7NweG1d8U TeAJNvRI5c0++95II6zrPsySGJW/ppQkOAlbTQ5EEVqJcV0wsxehOqD4Ueo5KQNPlF2+W5zDssuc7 ry/K52wYQVRPGOpYozXOFx5s1jm+CWNLk51ZJJiMWVuLTx9IR0ZfyyAfBYL2031A2zFD/INP2YDbv I7Z83MC4vxLaA/c8ZI4mPmdxw65KHq3x1tspwFcuCEmIsznej5JlmJ3V9yCi4ZtwRvwoscov40L1M 7ypHCJtomL2RepNQC2ghvyp7uinxklfCJC9Pt1G96jjsZXPRU6VOIEYq9nJgJSqM3VcHIwBwFJbZQ 1PhWThM+fGYJ587Ad9TNAg==; Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 17:00:20 +0300 Message-Id: <86bjozta4r.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Helmut Eller In-Reply-To: <87jz3nuq1n.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Helmut Eller on Fri, 01 Aug 2025 15:31:16 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#79116: 31.0.50; Crash on IGC build References: <148F1C71-B839-4308-A062-FC51E954AFE4@toadstyle.org> <87jz3qdfpj.fsf@protonmail.com> <87ldo6xs0b.fsf@gmail.com> <865xf9x3qd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cy9hy710.fsf@gmail.com> <87seicwbnq.fsf@gmail.com> <86zfcjtwen.fsf@gnu.org> <877bznwlfc.fsf@gmail.com> <86ikj7tk9g.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0s3uv07.fsf@gmail.com> <86h5yrtedv.fsf@gnu.org> <87jz3nuq1n.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79116 Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, 79116@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Helmut Eller > Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, spd@toadstyle.org, pipcet@protonmail.com, > 79116@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2025 15:31:16 +0200 > > On Fri, Aug 01 2025, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> Objects that allocated on the GC heap and automatically freed are > >> GC-managed. > > > > That answers the first question I asked, but not the second one, which > > is what is important in practice. > > Then I don't know the answer. I think we will have to define these indications. Or at least we should try. It's important for future maintenance. > >> > My anecdotal evidence from running the igc branch is unambiguous: it > >> > is significantly less "stuttering" than the master branch. > >> > >> Is that with gc-cons-percentage = 0.1? > > > > I compare "emacs -Q", so yes. > > With gc-cons-percentage = 0.1 the GC runs very often. Bigger values > would likely have better performance. Which might mean our default value is too low.