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([2001:bb6:1b96:9200:1818:73ff:fe0b:8769]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-23de435c194sm129273225ad.220.2025.07.16.04.18.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Jul 2025 04:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2223801b-facf-47a0-bb98-a5da162ef05d@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 12:18:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: <<< unnecessary harmful substitution (EOF) From: Dmitri Seletski To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org References: <58e59695-04e8-4661-ba2e-530766967930@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <58e59695-04e8-4661-ba2e-530766967930@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e; envelope-from=drjoms@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x62e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 16 Jul 2025 14:10:38 -0400 Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Sorry, send to wrong email list. Sending to correct one. Regards Dmitri On 7/16/25 12:16 PM, Dmitri Seletski wrote: > Hello, > > I understand that typing 3 times '<' symbol forces auto substitution. > > I believe its a bug, it does not help me with anything, but wastes my > time. it's VI level arcane magic no one needs. > > Simple bash command I try to type in  - 'somecommand <<< file.txt' > becomes a nightmare. > > I can't find in google how to disable it.(or duck duck go for that > reason) > > I find results in search sites, and they talk about hooks. > > I have exactly ZERO interest learning LISP PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE, it's > hooks to DO BASIC TEXT EDITING! > > This is frustrating beyond belief. > > Please disable this undesired harmful "feature" in future releases by > default. Anything who are aware of it and use it - feel free to learn > LISP, hooks, and other programming languages, just to enable it. > > Please kindly explain in user friendly terms HOW TO DISABLE this > harmful 'feature'.(hopefully this will be cached into search engine > results, so other don't bang their heads against the wall) > > Please talk to users before implementing any auto substitution of input. > > Thank you in advance. > > Dmitri Seletski > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 17 00:22:47 2025 Received: (at 79033) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2025 04:22:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ucG8s-0003RW-Ne for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:22:47 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:24019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ucG8o-0003R9-U8 for 79033@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:22:45 -0400 Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D66E544037B; Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:22:36 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1752726155; bh=uc7pJS2yu9pE8FFYrTnfh8val0eEEb62joQcTaPdMUQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=cNUinYHPwBjm08MEZWh22REQydj2LE7X/ZfSbYCVdBqVi5div8ZsNkJ6kcBfS4Cl7 n89ii3+J9FBlvCahUah35Lu+UYgsk2UGWLBBjJtHzXSrw9GC3n2YWIqTUlQuNU3RuM i1PQdbsNpBdtvTWPrEx5jCbvYUo2vK00MSfZ6WhaLaVt/DqT53FZkXUCa19bOGfUOU OMaLpPoJ/4tvLjfCpzanZSdURCFzpYjpVAHhobIdmT3d90+97c1an07rNSDGda/iS4 MOhPFjjH+7DNLBki7BIxsvnA8YtHz//Ck8mBb7TIakKngJ/nRsyLuFm4hOWv9n269v 1D8dLt3mqu7eQ== Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id BB3174401F4; Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pastel (unknown [104.247.225.139]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 904FE120919; Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:22:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Dmitri Seletski Subject: Re: bug#79033: <<< unnecessary harmful substitution (EOF) In-Reply-To: <2223801b-facf-47a0-bb98-a5da162ef05d@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <58e59695-04e8-4661-ba2e-530766967930@gmail.com> <2223801b-facf-47a0-bb98-a5da162ef05d@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 00:22:28 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.270 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain DKIM_VALID_EF -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from envelope-from domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 79033 Cc: 79033@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [ Please don't cross post to the bug address and to a mailing-list (e.g. help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org). ] > I understand that typing 3 times '<' symbol forces auto substitution. Actually not 3, only 2 (followed by space or dash, IIRC). > I believe its a bug, it does not help me with anything, but wastes my > time. it's VI level arcane magic no one needs. As you have found out by now, there's a configuration variable that lets you disable this "arcane magic". But... > Simple bash command I try to type in=A0 - `somecommand <<< file.txt` beco= mes > a nightmare. The magic thingy does not trigger when I type the above command. I vaguely remember we refined the magic which was triggered a bit too eagerly some versions back, but even in Emacs-28.2 the above example you provide does not trigger the magic to which you object, so I wonder if you're using an even older version of Emacs or if you actually typed something else. Stefan