From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 04 00:27:57 2025 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2025 04:27:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55155 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXY1k-0007fB-U3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 00:27:57 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:59104) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXY1h-0007eW-Qg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 00:27:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uXY1b-00032P-TU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 00:27:47 -0400 Received: from mail-japanwestazolkn190110000.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([2a01:111:f403:d407::] helo=OS0P286CU010.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uXY1a-0006dm-8L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 00:27:47 -0400 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector10001; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=kaHouPW/5a5KnI8qzjmLxOJLXwfHvcbfBzF+zVU7Kl7BMboRXodLbfOQ05bKP6Ev2KklJFwvl3F+wAqp5mxkeUL+VND7pkRFoDfpydpVAFD/ckGHgxnq+PKFyKAil1gvddWvJ7W4FYteGO093lXUJWOkLvfbnEb/cdO9oegZjNMNw/FRtbsQJtfi4MLia3O/I9VqEkOXGjY+5+JaDGSGytFMpoZpj2I9m/nR4MStelEh5sftBpOCGNMKQgjvQBbOnijdQMIlh6kZWFt0NRxeUOjF11bBmV1ypYL8Fj1cm/u62VSfYPz+BmMp5wtA+MgrNFHAgkYJlcIbg7107fbhvw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector10001; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=xVuYtk2Ht5Vsy/1Z0q4FGQ8lP2Ym5nfYC6QqCIi9YII=; b=Oc+GnI0gb78BFvN/13UA1Cbcko3AxFYLZXe+2SqcEfgcdyWHV4I7UI4/ipJ+18Pvj+dyGZJoaiyTe/c4Uv2eUZZM9ES44V8qa1t7FpuPpFsWTKZ29pyW3OU9/xUY236RV1Gp7WgV8e7qsvBvKXbvdkW0jHT0z9Icgxnh+WWOspiNfSHjvHrgnyaTq6UxbJ3JB12Va2lMRYUJTjG60L75SYMwkdX9FZdI0xwH1z0DBv6j4IrVMz/mFcmyaCyOjDsOilrMlUcWJNgSDhDgjWMxEejZmBnHa2fZzDrr3Pyi3I1sBJuAkLniwtRhZXyhBo7j8ejdxWY52BI+SptZ/6QQ8A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=xVuYtk2Ht5Vsy/1Z0q4FGQ8lP2Ym5nfYC6QqCIi9YII=; b=APe53XshLg74cUm06aSgIQNZtjYkopp/R8YRKMHkZnAzFdVlO3jM2NJBU2kqXW5NKO7kBRZXNoANUdqq+Zlh70cpCFnianEGYdjHHnZvgw/cMQ8e5iZ+xN0kwlYXpkuoQUFQ7aUC0KWYzdBYUvVcpUPcvU8rXpOl4X2X5ID8Tj9lWjADEyyKiXL59pXvFSVahPe29s0t+qMCbXT/lObtdVk7Lv7UlqnW7ylDT0czTOOaSJaXXUlq4l3+tHzPLylV64xkYa+rZkGT0fHLNXmyuf9NiOlhKX6ll2vNCTcBqEDm7t0TnjnTaQA+X1CFMDadWJh4ixWweKHhB+robIM4sg== Received: from TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:1096:400:1e8::14) by TYWPR01MB10908.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:1096:400:393::12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.8901.20; Fri, 4 Jul 2025 04:22:38 +0000 Received: from TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::c106:6564:6d7b:ffc9]) by TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::c106:6564:6d7b:ffc9%3]) with mapi id 15.20.8901.021; Fri, 4 Jul 2025 04:22:38 +0000 From: Lin Sun To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Subject: Bug or feature? intern-soft return non-exists symbol Thread-Topic: Bug or feature? intern-soft return non-exists symbol Thread-Index: AQHb7JqUCD/sk19dk027SoSlAUYXsg== Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 04:22:38 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: msip_labels: x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: TYCPR01MB10004:EE_|TYWPR01MB10908:EE_ x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: bd82e0cf-2fe2-473e-c1f7-08ddbab26926 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; ARA:14566002|15030799003|41001999006|461199028|8062599006|8060799009|7092599006|15080799009|19110799006|440099028|13041999003|40105399003|3412199025|102099032; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: =?iso-8859-1?Q?JjKDaB3HfX2VqwIPGhc4XeRi9OZgKRdX3DhT52JmrQXOXjoe3VpQ5XGyXI?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?kp36hr5yhyUDdKkdz/NQW6UASkc2xomS58k1KFOa4SJ/5UBZhQ33/dh1R/?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?wkrvknZE7hRg4O75rf728zFCkWKhC/afIElwm4KipSr8e/ywx2Eq+yqtlm?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?fSyC2Zc44IMEIVU/nusznHTeKLU9rtNaZly0vajpaFK/yZJEpEeI4Ukih2?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?IDPdQr3V20JsKqOfcovaYeXDfKNjWcYbldIDoHNCT7G70CcuNceYvzITAp?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Yxn6ApgeBuSSmaYsb+EXF9xobN9MvpDtYnZmGMLb/CNQyb1wznTe9Gn+9g?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?o65wIY4dKN8uz9gHDhzfE/mgpo8pTti3xdY1PD36A3HtJxzpy4n5ttc9Iq?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?FSWj93UUvviowXpYn7DL9wcxxraV6fzzxIEFhOnyMRu1DSMmD0oMvYcSyX?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?lRaYXf32sm4QpCa4JooYWCXXt+trBssao6DF14VnQdD7jfQ9BPkaRVXzaF?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?WVFvxvhRSAxlwg+d/08FPjbFAGwg0ySAGiR484kw2pUe7oV6wZCxkOSMMW?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ccHKoHRBIsNhduzV4tLqo106qKwN9GJ3wFxQ2TzqfNPhqyPRTUei+Qtr/b?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?EVIAvKMTBK6L7lwALbeWEPqJHuDAkZFEXFjWJMfGllfIHr+XsjujMvCujd?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?9srGYVKwXash3bWGE/giiRjLwvkQfBIh3ZZ9RnZfLkbziUoirKQ4oTzc1l?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?6IbqgW/+mjP3TBj3VB1sizaaekZp/pQXg0/BHY1bumcyQxjlEN01EJwMVd?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ZLEa+BQASVd0PwZBEnkqbfIA2zvTT7/mlcYqj98B3eQO4ATHpmq00HROtL?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?7HRYMBzxVNMAcPG9FPVxn1EoBf3CD+bu3oLk8ESV8l36zya+moBfQIyAF2?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?AkEXwu5qc9TqRuc4XqZGUY6x0SccaBWySAvRO3EDOoCkkcJTthMhAJc/1d?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?8ygjsq3JojMMosc1AgzVkPr4auzAXdBEHb+MTuDXb0VL8/DKVlqWvEkXeE?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Abep9cfA3vlamlRz2VMBsfm3G1dqtRwDCBxAp2Yl3wTWjCPX+LrILLDdll?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?yGb3G2o2gWuIRhtwcQNX6eMnZMM/FDfS8NaEfMnLVzhQBLrH6lJno2cQbU?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sq8C+e5O9H5XsfnW1GVaLQFz8tnYKQiIb8GV/ubBFcR6nT/aQH668ospm9?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?RUS3IHaq3O05H1H25Sbk/kf1hgOHvpvNqIDc0Huh0=3D?= x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: =?iso-8859-1?Q?NkIsewPJwKH5LM+rJMZ/vyIISVlljsPnC6vnaRGstJxghs6Fe9JvMtu0At?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?f7vgw2hyIoTd/H0o/RAynCVfgrwz/urloDrAOcz9kOyJBPEJRAetJYD7Jy?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?RYYZhRVx96eKHgQ9AvIGjbySVuVFUXHkXvMHsxff0Fb8quyRLLUfkutTJX?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?xpZZiFdM3kzrtfeXF/RyQSD1sGFBegP9LDfErl2EjHheIsk5G5AuuxvzaT?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dk324BZ+COEvhaeDyjZE5ZYwF3OR53xIre8zYm2jHBdmfhJBsXQmEuz2w9?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rx1iotY5ZZLGf8Mw16tbxRSx4h9IxwQsLdFCC5344jlNPUUqVc2JQzY69/?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?1BeCOPJnLmm9/SxfHfPYnwB6jhp4N/765fQi3NMeZt37Aa605Sx2YjmoW2?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?dnxQsjymfzGq1e2lyt7oU8/eARCycHe4K31mHsLOIoyFRBs3Z8SrX/6lGz?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?7tdy5FgLl/zf8B0owJ3fxTreacc0pKSxNigxjIVPXLPowW8oM8mo4JyY05?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?N+iX8UfpZpvwqmX5nnGWonWiTOabGUISubn7Lg4v3kA0Jumc2a+acHQ0t+?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?qqF4GPx4PO1DGJ3cPWHikhMyQeYS6fQ7P3CFab77cux4sphldsYttCRH1m?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?+AatDOlVeEqmgOOVNX3lAgxjpnrD7bmBjqyE60wQFWHuuE9RynQJ4RFaNd?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?F+7HfKvU1Lf6vRT1/0eVIKoY/15cijKaI6U6BNTyTJ5DbcoY2pkFdS8Bg+?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?fTuYwH1HaPVL8+FyQksvpQ23jQAWW9ozg45lk+Orm46VGhTRwTWbP2UZhX?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?7fLK+Hb3dP7BFz+Gw2vLItFsgrg0FPBo4ysTwtrnT+Kx2grf1ULtoPyjbo?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?dRShq7XhzGq6kIlfFx7n6LXacLnOObb+iIgrnQrXMIUZFPmK8pER3OcdZw?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ito++nGE3DRo6O83sbzk0dQMYQQo97X6DC/xmZzl2mMPKDeefzwGgJwMQy?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?BFnmZOTtkisqoDEFBYF8FnAZIvhapdt9QqsBBp4e95wq33AG/bUE8ziYhU?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ZF08N+ZDidPVDg92QrrCZMnsSc2z9iPpa2OYsCaX6jV3Ap5d6R+OZhAJ6i?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?bUKgVdYBYV0+d1VvlYALNDUBZNu2f9nyqOQ1oUT52J3nKUcguuiTBI/CJB?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?OIuCFFlTo0PFQxCo9Oj0ewFK48XAf44+IRW+YIpTV3U+JOoS0/RswA49WS?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?E8BeJ1CnzNkywjS5LnTg=3D=3D?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-7719-20-msonline-outlook-9a502.templateTenant X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: bd82e0cf-2fe2-473e-c1f7-08ddbab26926 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 04 Jul 2025 04:22:38.7409 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: TYWPR01MB10908 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:111:f403:d407::; envelope-from=sunlin7@hotmail.com; helo=OS0P286CU010.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi, get confused intern-soft return a symbol which already unbound,  Here are the lines to make a symbol then makunbound the symbol, but after that the intern-soft still return the symbol: (setq a-test-variable-unbound-later t) Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.2 FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT Envelope-from freemail username ends in digit (sunlin7[at]hotmail.com) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (sunlin7[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom;id=sunlin7%40hotmail.com;ip=2001%3A470%3A142%3A%3A17;r=debbugs.gnu.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2001:470:142:0:0:0:0:17 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 0.0 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL No description available. X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Hi, get confused intern-soft=A0return a symbol which already unbound,=A0=0A= =0A= Here are the lines to make a symbol then makunbound the symbol, but after t= hat the intern-soft still return the symbol:=0A= =0A= (setq a-test-variable-unbound-later t)=0A= =0A= (intern-soft "a-test-variable-unbound-later")=0A= =0A= (makunbound 'a-test-variable-unbound-later)=0A= =0A= (boundp 'a-test-variable-unbound-later)=0A= =0A= (intern-soft "a-test-variable-unbound-later") ;; why not nil?=0A= =0A= It's a feature or a bug? Thanks= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 04 03:36:39 2025 Received: (at 78952) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2025 07:36:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56393 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXayM-0008Iw-RY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 03:36:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXayK-0008Hd-09; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 03:36:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uXayE-00039q-JN; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 03:36:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=6lWV1gndqELSgLjWW6w1NAHm1Kutyk8SgOlOJ9mCpos=; b=E6MLcqymJPnL3QCCRng7 d8rSZj80zhsUzCsL7c3/ahhtLEEiXnySKEP6YPuLaI6O8hMnrY2fwehWzcT0Eo2aRPiDemsJfXuHI eOiL7vdZwjy+xkGIBc7gfvTwKzO6ec33N/eeXn6Ga1S/57Sh0EOEk69KsCh7iCEyubVHJYPg5ILi3 4jvneePWqemQldninkuYEkXeaNlza55oksJCqv2ZUVpbFEHJ5k4tRt3/FytJnmpUrZJsfU+TayZ4A F41sSL20M3dPWWxO9yek9bXWsJobZ80oiAHpxt++6H6lAooHjQRwMna2DYDUaPCMV8lt1vOtAgzoS Y2V1LO5ovT+ecA==; Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 10:36:27 +0300 Message-Id: <8634bcz9tw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lin Sun In-Reply-To: (message from Lin Sun on Fri, 4 Jul 2025 04:22:38 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#78952: Bug or feature? intern-soft return non-exists symbol References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78952 Cc: 78952@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 78952 notabug thanks > From: Lin Sun > Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2025 04:22:38 +0000 > msip_labels: > > Hi, get confused intern-soft return a symbol which already unbound,  > > Here are the lines to make a symbol then makunbound the symbol, but after that the intern-soft still return the symbol: > > (setq a-test-variable-unbound-later t) > > (intern-soft "a-test-variable-unbound-later") > > (makunbound 'a-test-variable-unbound-later) > > (boundp 'a-test-variable-unbound-later) > > (intern-soft "a-test-variable-unbound-later") ;; why not nil? > > It's a feature or a bug? Thanks makunbound doesn't remove the symbol from obarray. Use unintern to remove it. This is not a bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 04 08:20:24 2025 Received: (at 78952) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2025 12:20:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58971 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXfOx-0005NL-NC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 08:20:24 -0400 Received: from mail-japaneastazolkn190110001.outbound.protection.outlook.com ([2a01:111:f403:d405::1]:63660 helo=TYVP286CU001.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXfOt-0005IP-9r for 78952@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 08:20:20 -0400 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector10001; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=aprETvCDQMATaBrM1Y54rjBW1apMWg7uqXnJFCkydtW8fFIVGHLLSCCWfsEot6+4ofwuq+soO8jCS1p02sMU66fMvtvsvIAFAZg4W+WYBooeOFq61hI+rA29w2sJUMf1Iwp6wPLRZ43eqhjL5d/yIl98Ki2KmMd4BwVq/VbCExdPsWqdnNWax4L3n9pLpzjOLI3FO5eSfwQi2nGeeJz9pIveuNtsxmwnWozeurhrWUvsB+FARf2+De6BuwOtlzpjIEV0+wkQFCtR0r5//Sd3sQrbAIrl7+g4L+pP6O87S8yaRKlvCPVKgTzl/MCaLDEszgFRpNOOR4ne8y/1qG7g3A== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector10001; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=u57dtFokoS0FzPHTIrq+k7L+zGOdigs4BRYFU9L7LT0=; b=n8wY9Ur+QKNv0NB3u9G1oaScD8BOUDygpfwAefhXN2TyBMIX/z8M5uTahjFle8H6tnk6qhMl3qlv9lnDiGwUn2bOHiUSWwzFgtUSj2GNIkxUrORG9urS9r7V+pXsgemGLfSIbTQZp6kR30wRoJr3joA5R0c0QUnxL4pJYW+9Esld/Yo3hwgtHKzGFuFGgmBLBr0eQT5JK216K2Tb1Z1Pmmg8LshUlFIrow5MANRAs6OdXZDHMafQan0FnWBGNpnekrc6+DWvVjZM4egly9l034Hobe8LXFtKeKN0xJvqcbbk1cZF3DkY3xdfpyumz16igKjo12PLsRiZgp5oyo+gcw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=u57dtFokoS0FzPHTIrq+k7L+zGOdigs4BRYFU9L7LT0=; b=QXrNf+NnIBocHISCapnBQI6AXTyjw3II5lt4VIeCO3k5BcHJQzRuWQOOGDZTek1SCfGFk4hsqvDDfDkL7u0hd3yy1QuO/fGlwXmPm7kHQpRc8oz9LcqP9uko2KSYJ05LvFSaLuKuBTAXJmcQF9rJq2Mo9XVOppkRnAMLct0RAOWvMjudDBeiY+C1JIcC13YqGIQTniGhh3EeNa+w31cG/mAVGBxzyNFNtCnlDpHZQmt1ASfQ513189WsaKbkJrkNpT6E74UuYqzIrIFRUzYTfcaXcjCYXzVE3bm3I/YajuKTlaPwKzZ9K8X/kNH+eLrmQwbjngyHUEdLDQsIzYwe4Q== Received: from TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:1096:400:1e8::14) by TYRPR01MB15948.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:1096:405:2cd::11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.8880.32; Fri, 4 Jul 2025 12:20:10 +0000 Received: from TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::c106:6564:6d7b:ffc9]) by TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::c106:6564:6d7b:ffc9%3]) with mapi id 15.20.8901.021; Fri, 4 Jul 2025 12:20:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 05:20:05 -0700 Subject: Re: bug#78952: Bug or feature? intern-soft return non-exists symbol Message-ID: X-Android-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8634bcz9tw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Lin Sun To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-ClientProxiedBy: SJ0PR03CA0364.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:3a1::9) To TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com (2603:1096:400:1e8::14) X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1 X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: TYCPR01MB10004:EE_|TYRPR01MB15948:EE_ X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: 4dec39d3-6134-4499-d13e-08ddbaf51ecb X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; ARA:14566002|461199028|5072599009|41001999006|8060799009|7092599006|15080799009|19110799006|13041999003|52005399003|40105399003|440099028|3412199025|12091999003; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: =?utf-8?B?N3lCWVZ4UW1UTHQ4dmtTTURTcy9oT0JycEp6dXFUSExIV2wwc2xJUnZESWdq?= =?utf-8?B?cEhNWXpwekFQSmR0dGFydDJ0RnFWbytrcHdxamd0NFMzdTFsc3BrT1hycUZl?= =?utf-8?B?dzhPazJHeDVpbFA3cGhLVTFLay9kUWhSamk4WGdhbmdHY2VObnhiT0FGQ3E0?= =?utf-8?B?d0twdGhWTUFZaEIzbHFNa1NsYmxZd3ZMWEtRNWtnVDZqTDFMOHVCZERKU0I3?= =?utf-8?B?eE04SWVnamlLbFFyVWdtYktZdGZoem1vTzNQZ1pYUGx1WFBnR3R5ZitQYWls?= =?utf-8?B?QzZDc0x6bnRuYklqcVpab1BDcFNLSVhKcmh3OGVPaUNFSUdoY2dEc245OWFn?= =?utf-8?B?bEJlTXljNjNHc1BVbThKUDBPbjdTd1BvUnVOVnVSNkFrNDN2Y3JKZmxDcGoz?= =?utf-8?B?TWJzQnBIVi9waEJmamxrNUZPbktrckprekEzNUZBQ1F1T3pxQ1hNSlYvUURt?= =?utf-8?B?aTMvRFNZa0o4NzVOYVVBVEk1c243ZTljL1I3aVRkd3U4QWlVMVNtNFQxK1pw?= =?utf-8?B?cjNkTWxzQ05oRHlyYWRkYjhaMGlsRXZpZURuN2pGR2RwQStadWwrcnhxZ2ZX?= =?utf-8?B?QWhzU1BvYjFzWlYvN2ovR2ZRSis3V2R3Q1c5cDdnVitvNk9hSkVNMEl2RThU?= =?utf-8?B?SlB3a1p0VytwRjVYdXMvT3lEZmZMMEVKc1Ixd1Z6b2VuRC9CZzNYV0xYbS9W?= =?utf-8?B?Z2Q1T3E4VmVLU0NMVDlJYjRNKzZUOVBKei9mT2Irek9iSTBXYTdYWlJkbStE?= =?utf-8?B?VFdJZndJblY4WVladFIzdGhHT1J1NGlsdlZXZStUT2FDbGpNOGNEYmU3dU5u?= =?utf-8?B?VC9IVnM0WTNyWjh6SjZzaWI2Y0puNEJVT3VUUnd2THdYaWNJUjdpc2N3a0N4?= =?utf-8?B?a24zS0JCTHJxeFJOb3FKZUdTR1hYMExBMTFnaVFNaSsxMGpKWCs5R0ZZWWhO?= =?utf-8?B?WXJHZlRxS0gwL3hkVlRxck9tOHdrbUNuMzlPSW1hbDZQYXdMelhOa1BDOEJS?= =?utf-8?B?Sjlhb1hxa2VuN2tlNFd1Yjg5WHVtV2x6NUxOYVFwZDBmcGdPazkwWHNTeHF4?= =?utf-8?B?VHQxbm1taE11dHJEVnR3TFpDWHRXSndDbFNKYW12WWUralVLc0ZPUmxJdEgy?= =?utf-8?B?aGZoTHpjSnl1RlNOMVhXTXgxak5reXpqQzdUYjFnRkpVVHE1aUVkeTlUTGtq?= =?utf-8?B?OC9RdGlyaUN2RUZuUEdaSFNDR0oramErWVVlRHc5Q2VmVGJjMDNnUWxrbisv?= =?utf-8?B?NEF5aktKME96R0FGZGpRTTluRmRQQjl4c0V3ZithK21WNmhLVFFtVUk3aWhh?= =?utf-8?B?eUR6YzBUaHNlaG1yMGRpOXYxWm1MVTB4QUtQNTltdXlxY0F6RDdFVnAySjc0?= =?utf-8?B?blI0YUxySTBycDVtMzJwNUoxYVk5alFIdFhYUWFFbzE0NmdzMkllVitpdUhL?= =?utf-8?B?MDFQanFrb1BFQjJuWGdVZHBwRGtWZlgyU2Jqc2F5anJHaTkvekVaOXY1cUtH?= =?utf-8?B?VWRoWEI0TEVOMVBkeHlHWSs5aCt3WkZCY05tQWprUGYrbFpSMy9odVRud091?= =?utf-8?B?SEhtNnhLbGY5RjlRWnA5Wkw5dHJxNUU2TC9UYW8yNjZIRnNyNG5sRUR3Vzd6?= =?utf-8?B?VjVYSW1tcXB5RWJBNnRzd21SeWFBbUE2dUhES0dFU3YwYzdjK2cyNmN5cnNJ?= =?utf-8?B?Ym5WNTlHQSttclR2VFpCUU9JcjRNdjdYRjRhTEErRnRGSlZhT2VpRXRBPT0=?= X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount: 1 X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0: =?utf-8?B?VlVhWVQ3N1dxNWFxYXl6MjNIZkVQamJldFdaVVFQN1N1ZUc4bGRnditkZ252?= =?utf-8?B?d2kxU1hsbU9JdXc0RmVISnZLRGZTRUZnWG0zVkFYOTUrYmFkeGpuVnQ3WnRs?= =?utf-8?B?bVFwN2Nqd053WVVmUTNqV28zTUFJWnJ1RmFjK1NkWWF1N0pncGVEaHJxOWFn?= =?utf-8?B?Um0rczNISURlVzc5NmRTam9qUzdjTmtxQmRlYmxEWitFMW42dVVkOXl2Slds?= =?utf-8?B?dVExb2IwOWlJbHVSaS9nQmgrRXNJeXJURkJBNFBxbnJ4L3g1VStRb0doQXgw?= =?utf-8?B?MlNoTVQ3TGRHV0M3d0tYaEJ0QmtTNlNpajJnWHNBRUZtRnBnVGZhV3J3bXdk?= =?utf-8?B?RXk2N1lQY2dqdmJPSU56WndjMHlrZnRrTzdZZWhXbzBQYVpIMW9XalVLbE5J?= =?utf-8?B?S3RNaWZuRjFRUkgyM0pOZjZDbHZqUmo5WWRuZXVHczMzbWxxVFZ5bVhGeE5U?= =?utf-8?B?LzNFaWo0eFMyTVVWM2RNTFZvWGtGQXNkZHJjS1FzSFV6TnB2MnM2WE1FRUVG?= =?utf-8?B?Z3ZxUHg1L0xBWGljd2I3ZEJUaEpDNGFVQS9PM0xFTHRRejlRQU9BV0tia0RH?= =?utf-8?B?bDdYZ21tR3ptWENQNjl4THhCS2ZPNWV6dzhRVkhYY1hvanRGV2M0NkFPcXJa?= =?utf-8?B?VzRQeStZSU1NZld5UXJiY2RwYVpoQ1BBZFJLM2lGTTBUb09rNm5nZlpwVUxG?= =?utf-8?B?Sk91MWxCRjJ3UDdmOFp4L2JVSGFSWUVTUmxYdXU3ekQ5OGpvaDdjZnhvMEI3?= =?utf-8?B?d1AvME9nbWdmc0szcmlpQ2pVamw2U1I3dVdOZ0wvMEFhQTFQWE9JYXJMMXJ2?= =?utf-8?B?U0prMiszWkVsZmw1TjI1bzVjd2xlYXAvbTJsOUY3WHhxQnJXVzNzSCtEdytm?= =?utf-8?B?aHpTZTA4NzA5NGplQVdmamtjYlR4VmpzZjBKT0ZXaFgvNWlaQy9rdWxBTm9k?= =?utf-8?B?WjFueDJYQmVjaTVpNkd0RnhLTHM1TkluNnlyd0VocDQ0WnJmODZEU2duZ1cy?= =?utf-8?B?ZUxaUUxGMU9MZUx2M0hDY3J5Q2ttWE5nU0ZYWVM5dzV0TmNZUVdVcTF4VVU3?= =?utf-8?B?azVScE5SWUFFakhkOTMyTjROTW4zZmovMVRHYnFubGZUN3I4UXc1MHBHT2Ny?= =?utf-8?B?Q3lOajhXZDBhTlpBTlZ2SmpWTHlDQTUrclNpaHFYU1pDcmg0MkMxMGlwMkM3?= =?utf-8?B?cSs5NEp1NDVFbHozSFFyU0dhLysyWUEySVUvbXZJUFVCaExJYVNFTG5mdWVX?= =?utf-8?B?UjV1MnkzQ3hoVUJRSEJHRWV4S25GWWRraHg4a1EzRFN3OUUwbENEUnVWSzFJ?= =?utf-8?B?S1R5QSsyNzU3NGZlaWoxYVNoVTgxUUxMTlh4SUpzdUFWZzRpTGlPVjZ5bWFQ?= =?utf-8?B?UGZiYjcvNnAyYlZubURaMHpZOWQ5NFVvcXdLZGEzTVlCUVF2OWFHbjQ0bTcy?= =?utf-8?B?N2tYMXF1SnNQaVUyYWVhNS92ZGN0eEtla2NCWmo0RElnSHIzWmc3cFNlZHcz?= =?utf-8?B?RGJCeFBBdFY2L1BFVDV4R3VrT2FRZHRFZGttaENvZjZVTDUzVWQyR2FSMUZy?= =?utf-8?B?L2E1RDNJVTNLV2JRVEYrbTdWZllQQ3JkVFFQOXBEbkJIcFZocTAzaG5zR1d5?= =?utf-8?B?UDNnM3VDS3FKYWRWMlR2K1kram1JaDBDam5ZYTF0WHFZb1VnQVh2bFdvNFNZ?= =?utf-8?B?Q0h6T3lQeGVlV2ovZjhaeTdJbzVKM0JaZkk1bTJBcXhYYlFjL1NDWEYreUd5?= =?utf-8?Q?pQOTeKuTcLXRO09dK0=3D?= X-OriginatorOrg: sct-15-20-7719-20-msonline-outlook-9a502.templateTenant X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 4dec39d3-6134-4499-d13e-08ddbaf51ecb X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: TYCPR01MB10004.jpnprd01.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2025 12:20:10.5446 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: TYRPR01MB15948 X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78952 Cc: 78952@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0iQ29udGVudC1UeXBlIiBjb250ZW50PSJ0ZXh0L2h0bWw7IGNoYXJz ZXQ9dXRmLTgiPjxkaXYgZGlyPSJhdXRvIj48ZGl2PlRoYW5rIHlvdSBmb3IgY29tbWVudHMsIEkg dXNlIHRoZSBpbnRlcm4tc29mdCB0byBkZXRlY3Qgc3ltYm9scyBleGlzdGluZyBmb3IgcGFja2Fn ZSBidXQgZm91bmQgaXQncyBmYWlsZWQgZXZlbiBJIHVuYm91bmQgdGhlIHZhcmlhYmxlcy4gOikm bmJzcDs8L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGRpcj0iYXV0byI+PGJyPjwvZGl2PjxkaXYgZGlyPSJhdXRvIj5QbGVh c2UgZmVlbCBmcmVlIHRvIGNsb3NlIHRoZSB0aWNrZXQsIHRoYW5rIHlvdSE8L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGRp cj0iYXV0byI+PGRpdiBjbGFzcz0iZ21haWxfZXh0cmEiIGRpcj0iYXV0byI+PGJyPjxkaXYgY2xh c3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIj5PbiBKdWwgNCwgMjAyNSAxMjozNiBBTSwgRWxpIFphcmV0c2tpaSAm bHQ7ZWxpekBnbnUub3JnJmd0OyB3cm90ZTo8YnIgdHlwZT0iYXR0cmlidXRpb24iPjxibG9ja3F1 b3RlIGNsYXNzPSJxdW90ZSIgc3R5bGU9Im1hcmdpbjowIDAgMCAuOGV4O2JvcmRlci1sZWZ0OjFw eCAjY2NjIHNvbGlkO3BhZGRpbmctbGVmdDoxZXgiPjxwIGRpcj0ibHRyIj50YWdzIDc4OTUyIG5v dGFidWcKPGJyPgp0aGFua3MKPGJyPgoKPGJyPgomZ3Q7IEZyb206IExpbiBTdW4gJmx0O3N1bmxp bjdAaG90bWFpbC5jb20mZ3Q7Cjxicj4KJmd0OyBEYXRlOiBGcmksIDQgSnVsIDIwMjUgMDQ6MjI6 MzggKzAwMDAKPGJyPgomZ3Q7IG1zaXBfbGFiZWxzOiAKPGJyPgomZ3Q7IAo8YnI+CiZndDsgSGks IGdldCBjb25mdXNlZCBpbnRlcm4tc29mdCZuYnNwO3JldHVybiBhIHN5bWJvbCB3aGljaCBhbHJl YWR5IHVuYm91bmQsJm5ic3A7Cjxicj4KJmd0OyAKPGJyPgomZ3Q7IEhlcmUgYXJlIHRoZSBsaW5l cyB0byBtYWtlIGEgc3ltYm9sIHRoZW4gbWFrdW5ib3VuZCB0aGUgc3ltYm9sLCBidXQgYWZ0ZXIg dGhhdCB0aGUgaW50ZXJuLXNvZnQgc3RpbGwgcmV0dXJuIHRoZSBzeW1ib2w6Cjxicj4KJmd0OyAK PGJyPgomZ3Q7IChzZXRxIGEtdGVzdC12YXJpYWJsZS11bmJvdW5kLWxhdGVyIHQpCjxicj4KJmd0 OyAKPGJyPgomZ3Q7IChpbnRlcm4tc29mdCAmcXVvdDthLXRlc3QtdmFyaWFibGUtdW5ib3VuZC1s YXRlciZxdW90OykKPGJyPgomZ3Q7IAo8YnI+CiZndDsgKG1ha3VuYm91bmQgJ2EtdGVzdC12YXJp YWJsZS11bmJvdW5kLWxhdGVyKQo8YnI+CiZndDsgCjxicj4KJmd0OyAoYm91bmRwICdhLXRlc3Qt dmFyaWFibGUtdW5ib3VuZC1sYXRlcikKPGJyPgomZ3Q7IAo8YnI+CiZndDsgKGludGVybi1zb2Z0 ICZxdW90O2EtdGVzdC12YXJpYWJsZS11bmJvdW5kLWxhdGVyJnF1b3Q7KSA7OyB3aHkgbm90IG5p bD8KPGJyPgomZ3Q7IAo8YnI+CiZndDsgSXQncyBhIGZlYXR1cmUgb3IgYSBidWc/IFRoYW5rcwo8 YnI+Cgo8YnI+Cm1ha3VuYm91bmQgZG9lc24ndCByZW1vdmUgdGhlIHN5bWJvbCBmcm9tIG9iYXJy YXkuJm5ic3A7IFVzZSB1bmludGVybiB0bwo8YnI+CnJlbW92ZSBpdC4KPGJyPgoKPGJyPgpUaGlz IGlzIG5vdCBhIGJ1Zy4KPGJyPgo8L3A+CjwvYmxvY2txdW90ZT48L2Rpdj48YnI+PC9kaXY+PC9k aXY+PC9kaXY+ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 04 09:34:31 2025 Received: (at 78952-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2025 13:34:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59710 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXgYg-000802-Af for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 09:34:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55174) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXgYd-0007yu-97 for 78952-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 09:34:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uXgYX-0003kG-RH; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 09:34:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=oM4atcxpXk/hEWAZWaRlwQFFUIr9pkrYw+5rG+AD4gE=; b=pMZj6OY5KZns FrigEXqbgGVME0345W555bxL2vNFKGTSedBvgzAgSB5ZaZ9jk5NHLn4vFx4qZzQ9Mo4DkPSYYGZN4 7Bn4JohE9Vj+eHhfAxfZxiiIBrfcfd7Ql+QsnWIU4Cy7mnNo9BMiN+8ZmLgekXCk9Kurm/4tCR7hw hPTlAqDSbMCfNwOR31kNsx5iiszuoL35ua2dFbxXPOkzGwrYt6zNqMDs7aVC3iCLFxgd/3OJQzIE/ 5PfywMNYiT1fxyfGydGfPpkPn0SRNoCUtml87dGvOqEs4XeZuJCmDsQ20IfkqxSVBuvgqsIYFz4r2 A7DSvF7wnbMsOLKv4P0zPw==; Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 16:34:18 +0300 Message-Id: <86qzywxep1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lin Sun In-Reply-To: (message from Lin Sun on Fri, 04 Jul 2025 05:20:05 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#78952: Bug or feature? intern-soft return non-exists symbol References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78952-done Cc: 78952-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 05:20:05 -0700 > From: Lin Sun > Cc: 78952@debbugs.gnu.org > > Thank you for comments, I use the intern-soft to detect symbols existing for package but found it's failed > even I unbound the variables. :) If you want to know whether a symbol is bound as a variable use 'foundp', not 'intern-soft'. > Please feel free to close the ticket, thank you! Done. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 04 10:08:52 2025 Received: (at 78952) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2025 14:08:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXh5w-0004zi-Ih for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 10:08:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60998) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uXh5r-0004yN-WE for 78952@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 10:08:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uXh5m-0003qM-C8; Fri, 04 Jul 2025 10:08:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=QZW0RLz8aYjXngNeIY/Z7rdoSKSYKdSMLPIk+DqKzCA=; b=nyg4vi/hxOSY ma7IN7k0Sc34g2Y00oLLl8OGhdoK/k4glcyEAAy6qUSS75Bvyyg7t1KtoxE7QDBEb7lrxKWM7XFjH /3ki1ChfvYaiDzoMR3kwjbYG6Uiq1niZrCKlW6/rmLQq3yRHrChrwIixGCUYYK+k0w9VBQLSAjsTv esmzElPB9nr3J+bOB5xllqlczo45QzN+HDrY8sWwlf8aillBpRba/OnPkXswOZnT28fjohCHDbkao BY/9UZgF/5uSbUoWhJqqSmXrlig3ukgRd6Hoyg6eBDYsT2ImDLA6mIL3IbBe+3PT1YCquwOx7hyEJ 8SNNw55lL0/zfNsibfdZBg==; Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 17:08:39 +0300 Message-Id: <86plegxd3s.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: 78952@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: <86qzywxep1.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 04 Jul 2025 16:34:18 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#78952: Bug or feature? intern-soft return non-exists symbol References: <86qzywxep1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78952 Cc: sunlin7@hotmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Resent-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > Cc: 78952-done@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 16:34:18 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2025 05:20:05 -0700 > > From: Lin Sun > > Cc: 78952@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Thank you for comments, I use the intern-soft to detect symbols existing for package but found it's failed > > even I unbound the variables. :) > > If you want to know whether a symbol is bound as a variable use > 'foundp', not 'intern-soft'. ^^^^^^^^ Sorry, I meant 'boundp', of course. From unknown Sat Sep 13 10:57:56 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2025 11:24:09 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator