From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 22 13:38:43 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2011 18:38:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PgiME-0007CI-LL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:38:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pgfcy-0002lW-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:43:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pgfkb-0007Sb-FY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:51:45 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:57014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Pgfkb-0007SW-Cz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:51:41 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33765 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PgfkW-0007BW-N9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:51:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PgfkS-0007Ov-J4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:51:36 -0500 Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:41509) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PgfkS-0007OX-DQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 10:51:32 -0500 Received: by wwb17 with SMTP id 17so3015876wwb.30 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:51:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:sender:from:to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; bh=oHkCZClt5fm6x8EyV43ec9KqoelEiXMlGgM8ely1IrY=; b=tKj1NOGOGm0VX8kdHWm3G0QUrEj8VuZOAC2BsLqYLsUA7su677nkKQ8wJSNC2Za+tm LY/BosfRANL+boAnPMKI5C1oDDXd1alSZ4VNh1kzxK9jz4uPWDIELDQuvME/IODflnHc p6SYDbLgSH4Ho8gTiv1g+radXHKHgG/8plowM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; b=EVPNlcdlArVQqSADkbvA1N6me9djLUZpEc8wL21Ai7Zc48DlRKd+gsp4/VXjBC0ucZ xqpxMjVFSZgBItWJaFO69XzgT6zPVpyQbUZ+OwnYybePtequk+dE3YP2IIm9hQ8dLF9N ibnClGqZrZ6n8HdbGbuS1FVfV7oJ+dRtTQdiA= Received: by 10.216.186.196 with SMTP id w46mr1768391wem.105.1295711491362; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bifteki.lan (193.92.224.225.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr [193.92.224.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h39sm1519722wes.29.2011.01.22.07.51.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ltsampros-ferrari-one-200 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bifteki.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D5164A20E for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:51:28 +0200 (EET) From: ltsampros@upnet.gr To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.1; default value of rmail-default-dont-reply-to-names Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:51:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87oc79q6mf.fsf@bifteki.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:38:41 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) When you follow up mail from Gnus, deep in the stack they use a function from rmail to calculate which addresses we should remove from the Recipients list. The function called by Gnus is 'rmail-dont-reply-to' in rmail.el and removes all the user's personal addresses. However it advises two variables the first is called 'rmail-dont-reply-to-names' which is set by the user explicitly and the second is the 'rmail-default-dont-reply-to-names' which has a default value of "\\`info-" which removes all addresses starting with info- on the assumption that large mailing lists that broadcast announcement have a name like that. I was bitten by this default value in a list I'm subscribed to (info-gnus-english). Is it possible to get this default value to nil? Does it even make sense in 2011 to filter addresses by judging from their name whether they are big announcements lists ? (that's the wording and justification in the docs for this default value) In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0) of 2010-03-30 on yellow, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10900000 configured using `configure '--build=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--host=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: el_GR.UTF-8 value of $LC_CTYPE: el_GR.UTF-8 value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: C value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Summary Minor modes in effect: gnus-mailing-list-mode: t tooltip-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 12 16:41:43 2011 Received: (at 7888) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2011 21:41:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PoNDq-0004BL-Nn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:41:43 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.144]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PoNDo-0004BA-OW for 7888@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:41:41 -0500 Received: from furball (c-71-192-165-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [71.192.165.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1CLoWW4024065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:50:33 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BA7691605B7; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:50:28 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: ltsampros@upnet.gr Subject: Re: bug#7888: 23.1; default value of rmail-default-dont-reply-to-names References: <87oc79q6mf.fsf@bifteki.lan> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:50:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87oc79q6mf.fsf@bifteki.lan> (ltsampros@upnet.gr's message of "Sat, 22 Jan 2011 17:51:20 +0200") Message-ID: <8739nsylaz.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.144 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7888 Cc: 7888@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) ltsampros@upnet.gr writes: > The function called by Gnus is 'rmail-dont-reply-to' in rmail.el and > removes all the user's personal addresses. However it advises two > variables the first is called 'rmail-dont-reply-to-names' which is set > by the user explicitly and the second is the > 'rmail-default-dont-reply-to-names' which has a default value of > "\\`info-" which removes all addresses starting with info- on the > assumption that large mailing lists that broadcast announcement have a > name like that. > > Is it possible to get this default value to nil? Does it even make > sense in 2011 to filter addresses by judging from their name whether > they are big announcements lists ? (that's the wording and > justification in the docs for this default value) Indeed, this looks like a bad idea these days (if necessary, users can customize it). I've changed the default to nil; thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 12 16:41:59 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2011 21:41:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PoNE7-0004Bp-7i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:41:59 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.144]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PoNE5-0004Bd-OC for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:41:57 -0500 Received: from furball (c-71-192-165-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [71.192.165.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-03.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1CLojCO024144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:50:50 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 892591605B7; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 7888 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:50:43 -0500 Message-ID: <87ipwokjm4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.144 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) close 7888 thanks From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:16:10 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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