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The argum= ent must be a number. -- Function: minusp number This predicate tests whether its argument is negative, and returns =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise. The argum= ent must be a number. -- Function: oddp integer This predicate tests whether its argument is an odd number, and returns =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise. T= he argument must be an integer. -- Function: evenp integer This predicate tests whether its argument is an even number, and returns =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise. T= he argument must be an integer. All these functions are available in cl-lib with "cl-" prefix (not a scoop, it's always been the case), but not without: M-: (evenp 2) eval: Symbol's function definition is void: evenp In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 5, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.16.0, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2025-02-24 built on IPad-S340 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 System Description: Linux Mint 21.3 Configured using: 'configure CFLAGS=3D-O8 --bindir=3D/usr/local/sbin/emacs-30.1 --with-cairo --with-x-toolkit=3Dlucid --with-modules --without-tree-sitter --without-native-compilation --disable-gc-mark-trace' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XAW3D XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM LUCID ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: gnus-undo-mode: t server-mode: t psession-mode: t psession-savehist-mode: t global-git-gutter-mode: t display-time-mode: t winner-mode: t tv-save-place-mode: t helm-epa-mode: t helm-descbinds-mode: t helm-top-poll-mode: t helm-adaptive-mode: t helm-mode: t helm-minibuffer-history-mode: t helm-ff-icon-mode: t helm-popup-tip-mode: t dired-async-mode: t minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t gcmh-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-cite epa-mail mail-extr helm-ring emacsbug tramp-archive tramp-gvfs tramp-cache time-stamp zeroconf helm-command helm-elisp helm-eval edebug debug backtrace helm-info nndraft nnmh utf-7 nnfolder epa-file network-stream nsm gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual gnus-msg nntp gnus-cache helm-ls-git vc-git markdown-mode color flycheck vc vc-dispatcher cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs org-indent oc-basic cl-extra org-element org-persist org-id org-refile org-element-ast inline avl-tree generator ol-eww eww url-queue mm-url ol-rmail ol-mhe ol-irc ol-info ol-gnus nnselect gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime gnutls dig gnus-sum shr pixel-fill kinsoku url-file svg dom gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start gnus-dbus dbus xml gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 nnoo gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range gnus-win gnus nnheader range ol-docview doc-view jka-compr ol-bibtex bibtex ol-bbdb ol-w3m ol-doi org-link-doi org-config ob-gnuplot org-crypt org-protocol org ob ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-src sh-script smie treesit executable ob-comint org-pcomplete org-list org-footnote org-faces org-entities noutline outline org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-cycle org-table ol org-fold org-fold-core org-keys oc org-loaddefs find-func org-compat org-macs bug-reference thingatpt cus-start naquadah-tv-theme solar cal-dst holidays holiday-loaddefs appt diary-lib diary-loaddefs cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs server imenu tv-utils psession frameset mail-config gnus-patch diff-mode track-changes addressbook-bookmark message sendmail yank-media puny rfc822 mml mml-sec gnus-util mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums mail-prsvr mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader bookmark git-gutter pcase avoid dired-extension time winner describe-variable help-fns radix-tree tv-save-place.el init-helm epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config helm-epa helm-descbinds cus-edit pp cus-load wid-edit helm-sys helm-adaptive helm-mode helm-misc helm-files image-dired image-dired-tags image-dired-external image-dired-util image-mode exif filenotify tramp rx trampver tramp-integration files-x tramp-message help-mode tramp-compat xdg shell pcomplete parse-time iso8601 time-date tramp-loaddefs helm-buffers helm-x-icons all-the-icons all-the-icons-faces data-material data-weathericons data-octicons data-fileicons data-faicons data-alltheicons helm-occur helm-tags helm-locate helm-grep wgrep-helm wgrep grep compile text-property-search comint ansi-osc ring helm-regexp format-spec ansi-color helm-utils helm-help helm-types helm-extensions-autoloads helm-autoloads helm helm-global-bindings helm-easymenu edmacro kmacro helm-core helm-source helm-multi-match helm-lib dired-async async dired-aux dired dired-loaddefs isl-autoloads mb-depth gcmh easy-mmode all-the-icons-autoloads bash-completion-autoloads emms-autoloads flycheck-autoloads info ledger-mode-autoloads markdown-mode-autoloads nerd-icons-autoloads w3m-load w3m-autoloads package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd touch-screen tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 890079 922669) (symbols 48 38027 11) (strings 32 214313 45188) (string-bytes 1 5496662) (vectors 16 90705) (vector-slots 8 897968 1154426) (floats 8 2284 1121) (intervals 56 71017 2408) (buffers 984 113)) --=20 Thierry From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:02:38 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78629: 30.1; Functions described in manual are not available Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 15:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Thierry Volpiatto Cc: 78629@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78629-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78629.17485338199470 (code B ref 78629); Thu, 29 May 2025 15:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 78629) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 May 2025 15:50:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37700 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uKfWM-0002SN-Eb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2025 11:50:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42916) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uKfWI-0002N9-JT for 78629@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 May 2025 11:50:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uKfWD-00009a-8N; Thu, 29 May 2025 11:50:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=h9+x6wScDvBUAT8HNi6C90FOzPK/n49Blfr+yFw2hAY=; b=R8FoOPf58dKgoXr3hIu4 saVAtEhKA4baw/HmscrSVyB12XGksnffCiEHE/6NGmYPGI2FFZvhC+UYjrDDpoQ366VmaP5NGEHtS GsvlCO/HfqisOkpdgPJf1iBF1jW5wEYgM2taeUG3tZXceaQk6ZjKjizU2ap4/qfaAH563kW9vTWo+ JloSXIT5yA4eCcBLkK/Bh6mwYBU3DrwWH1L0LyPSoTTr9Q3e6kWe13E21FOLF/LgjEabW2ajQsDnq 9+jA6RUwP7eb1PWl/5FVHa3917x5teRLABlgHyAD6XMBQNRHzHcWR/saQC2b0qxcDHIvpogzZ++9l XM/hK18s5ptWrg==; Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 18:50:05 +0300 Message-Id: <86a56vv2ky.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87bjrbe8td.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Thierry Volpiatto on Thu, 29 May 2025 15:27:26 +0000) References: <87bjrbe8td.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Thierry Volpiatto > Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 15:27:26 +0000 > > > Hello, In (info "(elisp) Predicates on Numbers") > > -- Function: plusp number > This predicate tests whether its argument is positive, and returns > ‘t’ if so, ‘nil’ otherwise. The argument must be a number. > > -- Function: minusp number > This predicate tests whether its argument is negative, and returns > ‘t’ if so, ‘nil’ otherwise. The argument must be a number. > > -- Function: oddp integer > This predicate tests whether its argument is an odd number, and > returns ‘t’ if so, ‘nil’ otherwise. The argument must be an > integer. > > -- Function: evenp integer > This predicate tests whether its argument is an even number, and > returns ‘t’ if so, ‘nil’ otherwise. The argument must be an > integer. > > All these functions are available in cl-lib with "cl-" prefix (not a > scoop, it's always been the case), but not without: > > M-: (evenp 2) > eval: Symbol's function definition is void: evenp You are reading the ELisp manual for Emacs 31, but trying these functions in Emacs 30: > In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 5, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo > version 1.16.0, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2025-02-24 built on IPad-S340 > Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 > System Description: Linux Mint 21.3 Emacs 31 adds several functions documented in that node, including evenp. They are no longer in cl-lib, but in subr.el. I see no bug here. From unknown Fri Jun 20 20:02:38 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Thierry Volpiatto Subject: bug#78629: closed (Re: bug#78629: 30.1; Functions described in manual are not available) Message-ID: References: <87y0uf48r6.fsf@posteo.net> <87bjrbe8td.fsf@posteo.net> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 78629 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 78629@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 17:40:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1748540402-30937-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1748540402-30937-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #78629: 30.1; Functions described in manual are not available which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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preference=encrypt X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78629-done Cc: Thierry Volpiatto , 78629-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Thierry Volpiatto >> Date: Thu, 29 May 2025 15:27:26 +0000 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hello, In (info "(elisp) Predicates on Numbers") >>=20 >> -- Function: plusp number >> This predicate tests whether its argument is positive, and returns >> =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise. The ar= gument must be a number. >>=20 >> -- Function: minusp number >> This predicate tests whether its argument is negative, and returns >> =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise. The ar= gument must be a number. >>=20 >> -- Function: oddp integer >> This predicate tests whether its argument is an odd number, and >> returns =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise.= The argument must be an >> integer. >>=20 >> -- Function: evenp integer >> This predicate tests whether its argument is an even number, and >> returns =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise.= The argument must be an >> integer. >>=20 >> All these functions are available in cl-lib with "cl-" prefix (not a >> scoop, it's always been the case), but not without: >>=20 >> M-: (evenp 2) >> eval: Symbol's function definition is void: evenp > > You are reading the ELisp manual for Emacs 31, but trying these > functions in Emacs 30: Oops, yes indeed, used the wrong alias when configuring emacs. >> In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 5, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo >> version 1.16.0, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2025-02-24 built on IPad-S340 >> Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.121010= 04 >> System Description: Linux Mint 21.3 > > Emacs 31 adds several functions documented in that node, including > evenp. They are no longer in cl-lib, but in subr.el. Great! > I see no bug here. 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The argum= ent must be a number. -- Function: minusp number This predicate tests whether its argument is negative, and returns =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise. The argum= ent must be a number. -- Function: oddp integer This predicate tests whether its argument is an odd number, and returns =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise. T= he argument must be an integer. -- Function: evenp integer This predicate tests whether its argument is an even number, and returns =E2=80=98t=E2=80=99 if so, =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 otherwise. T= he argument must be an integer. All these functions are available in cl-lib with "cl-" prefix (not a scoop, it's always been the case), but not without: M-: (evenp 2) eval: Symbol's function definition is void: evenp In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 5, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.16.0, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2025-02-24 built on IPad-S340 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 System Description: Linux Mint 21.3 Configured using: 'configure CFLAGS=3D-O8 --bindir=3D/usr/local/sbin/emacs-30.1 --with-cairo --with-x-toolkit=3Dlucid --with-modules --without-tree-sitter --without-native-compilation --disable-gc-mark-trace' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XAW3D XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM LUCID ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: fr_FR.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Group Minor modes in effect: gnus-undo-mode: t server-mode: t psession-mode: t psession-savehist-mode: t global-git-gutter-mode: t display-time-mode: t winner-mode: t tv-save-place-mode: t helm-epa-mode: t helm-descbinds-mode: t helm-top-poll-mode: t helm-adaptive-mode: t helm-mode: t helm-minibuffer-history-mode: t helm-ff-icon-mode: t helm-popup-tip-mode: t dired-async-mode: t minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t gcmh-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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