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UX? Something along those lines. Using: GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin23.6.0, NS appkit-2487.70 Version 14.7.5 (Build 23H527)) of 2025-05-13 GNU Hyperbole 9.0.2pre (downloaded today) =3D=3D=3D=3D In this case, attempting to perform Koutliner actions while the *scratch* buffer is active: a) *M-x hyperbole, k, o* =3D> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "(kotl-mode:is-p): =E2=80=99*scratch*= =E2=80=99 is not a valid Hyperbole koutline") error("(kotl-mode:is-p): '*scratch*' is not a valid Hyperbole koutline") hypb:error("(kotl-mode:is-p): '%s' is not a valid Hyperbole koutline" #) kotl-mode:is-p() kotl-mode:show-all() kotl-mode:overview(nil) funcall-interactively(kotl-mode:overview nil) hui:menu-act(hyperbole nil nil nil) hyperbole(nil nil nil nil) funcall-interactively(hyperbole nil nil nil nil) command-execute(hyperbole record) execute-extended-command(nil "hyperbole" "hyperbole") funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "hyperbole" "hyperbole") command-execute(execute-extended-command) However, b) *C-h h, k, o *=3D> reports "hypb:error: (kotl-mode:is-p): =E2=80=99*scratch*=E2=80=99 is not = a valid Hyperbole koutline" in echo. At the point I got these messages I was following along with the Info manual (2.1 Invocation) and just randomly selected K , O to see what it did. I hadn't yet read the bit about o(vervw) "Show[ing] first line of each cell", (9.1 Koutliner Menu Commands) so fair enough, I tried to perform an illegal action (attempted that action in a non-Koutliner buffer). Further confusion was had when I ran the commands in a .kotl buffer and it (appropriately, although I didn't realize it at the time) showed me the first line of each cell. I assumed most of my existing text had been deleted, so I tried a *C-/ *to undo. That sent a rather inscrutable "Changes to be undone are outside visible portion of buffer" message. That error seems to be caused by attempting to undo a narrowed region *. *Which, unbeknownst to me, was turned on. (Clear as day, there was 'Narrow' in my mode-line.) So I followed the advice in the linked thread and invoked *M-x widen.* Great, everything returned! (I eventually figured out that *C-h h k a* would do it too). But M-x widen also inserted this at the bottom of my .kotl buffer: "ben" ;; kvspec:current 1 ;; id-counter alpha ;; label-type 4 ;; label-min-width ". " ;; label-separator 3 ;; level-indent ;; depth-first kcell attributes [[0 (creator "cena@byzantium" create-time "20250514:19:33:49" id-counter 1)] [1 (creator "cena@byzantium" create-time "20250514:19:33:49")]] (C-h h k a did not insert the above). I ASSume it's something to do with the cell properties, but I didn't make any changes there - this is all from a fresh install and just typing in a .kotl file using whatever the default settings are, then running commands. Best, Cena Mayo --000000000000b5fdcc0635219fab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is another instance where I'm just doing it = wrong, but noting as a possible=C2=A0 ...I don't know what the right wo= rd is - usability issue, maybe? UX?=C2=A0 Something along those lines.

Using:=C2=A0 GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, aarch64-apple= -darwin23.6.0, NS appkit-2487.70 Version 14.7.5 (Build 23H527)) of 2025-05-= 13

GNU Hyperbole 9.0.2pre (downloaded today)
=
=3D=3D=3D=3D

In this case, attempting to perf= orm Koutliner actions while the *scratch* buffer is active:

<= /div>
a) M-x hyperbole, k, o =3D>

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "(kotl-mode:is-p): =E2=80=99*s= cratch*=E2=80=99 is not a valid Hyperbole koutline")
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 error("(kotl-mode:is-p): '*scratch*' is not a va= lid Hyperbole koutline")
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hypb:error(&qu= ot;(kotl-mode:is-p): '%s' is not a valid Hyperbole koutline" #= <buffer *scratch*>)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 kotl-mode:is-p()=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 kotl-mode:show-all()
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 kotl-mode:overview(nil)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 funcall-inter= actively(kotl-mode:overview nil)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hui:menu-ac= t(hyperbole nil nil nil)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 hyperbole(nil nil n= il nil)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 funcall-interactively(hyperbole nil = nil nil nil)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 command-execute(hyperbole recor= d)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 execute-extended-command(nil "hyperb= ole" "hyperbole")
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 funcall-int= eractively(execute-extended-command nil "hyperbole" "hyperbo= le")
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 command-execute(execute-extended-c= ommand)

However,

b) = C-h h, k, o =3D>
reports=C2=A0 "hypb:error: (= kotl-mode:is-p): =E2=80=99*scratch*=E2=80=99 is not a valid Hyperbole koutl= ine" in echo.

At the point I got these m= essages I was following along with the Info manual (2.1 Invocation) and jus= t randomly selected K , O to see what it did. =C2=A0=C2=A0 I hadn't yet= read the bit about o(vervw) "Show[ing] first line of each cell",= (9.1 Koutliner Menu Commands) so fair enough,=C2=A0 I tried to perform an = illegal action (attempted that action in a non-Koutliner buffer).=C2=A0

Further confusion was had when I ran the command= s in a .kotl buffer and it (appropriately, although I didn't realize it= at the time) showed me the first line of each cell.=C2=A0=C2=A0 I assumed = most of my existing text had been deleted, so I tried a C-/ to undo.= =C2=A0

That sent a rather inscrutable "Change= s to be undone are outside visible portion of buffer" message.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 That error seems to be caused by attempting to undo a narro= wed region.=C2=A0 Which, unbeknownst to me, was turned on.=C2=A0= (Clear as day, there was 'Narrow' in my mode-line.) So I followed = the advice in the linked thread and invoked M-x widen.
=
Great, everything returned!=C2=A0 (I eventually figured = out that C-h h k a would do it too).=C2=A0=C2=A0 But M-x widen also = inserted this at the bottom of my .kotl buffer:

"ben" ;; = kvspec:current
1 ;; id-counter
alpha ;; label-type
4 ;; label-min-= width
". " ;; label-separator
3 ;; level-indent

;; = depth-first kcell attributes
[[0
=C2=A0 (creator "cena@byzantium= " create-time "20250514:19:33:49" id-counter 1)]
=C2=A0[1=
=C2=A0 (creator "cena@byzantium" create-time "20250514:1= 9:33:49")]]

(C-h h k a did not insert the abo= ve).=C2=A0

I ASSume it's something= to do with the cell properties, but I didn't make any changes there - = this is all from a fresh install and just typing in a .kotl file using what= ever the default settings are, then running commands.

<= div>Best,
Cena Mayo



<= /div>




--000000000000b5fdcc0635219fab-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 15 04:32:41 2025 Received: (at 78436) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 May 2025 08:32:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50869 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uFU1A-0005c6-OJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 May 2025 04:32:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33768) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uFU16-0005bl-V6 for 78436@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 May 2025 04:32:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uFU11-00043r-DL; Thu, 15 May 2025 04:32:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=FkF7xYPUQmIxrt51cpQdhdhsJb77zRIMbN8pW07b+hg=; b=HrTqEM+FNnIFt/P+tOZn YRJ137WPmxCq59BTrgmPC8Ayt99/MTaM+JQBXVJRmOCE+esMCOkOR0ekTRs+PX5WQALzl7guLM/Tz XxiH+AoatMuJyd/cNBMSOedTawxV6nIEL0CRLFbRSljHWQGH0WUEk6EeGBlIWU2uC/vpkrhJ1aQTc TNVzkN48hoysI+n0JRE/rj1Vbrj7lo3esFv6be6ePFVUO+FzG/sXP0wqRdFLiWED4tj9pBFvv2TNF VfV6LGtySqhU30qqoxC+bylkTlaAYGS34YCQC6vCRozh+noC8L8JaI0YTQY4FpFnvUMda/2VteQ6c JgZPk7xzjW+nuA==; From: Mats Lidell To: Cena Mayo Subject: Re: bug#78436: Koutliner M-x hyperbole k o vs C-h h k o error messaging In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 10:32:25 +0200 Message-ID: <87wmai5l5y.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78436 Cc: 78436@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) > Cena Mayo writes: > This is another instance where I'm just doing it wrong, but noting as a p= ossible ...I don't know what the right word is - usability issue, maybe? U= X?=20 > Something along those lines. > > Using: GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, aarch64-apple-darwin23.6.0, NS appkit= -2487.70 Version 14.7.5 (Build 23H527)) of 2025-05-13 > > GNU Hyperbole 9.0.2pre (downloaded today) > =3D=3D=3D=3D > > In this case, attempting to perform Koutliner actions while the *scratch*= buffer is active: > > a) M-x hyperbole, k, o =3D>=20 > > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "(kotl-mode:is-p): =E2=80=99*scratch= *=E2=80=99 is not a valid Hyperbole koutline") > error("(kotl-mode:is-p): '*scratch*' is not a valid Hyperbole kou= tline") > hypb:error("(kotl-mode:is-p): '%s' is not a valid Hyperbole koutl= ine" #) > kotl-mode:is-p() > kotl-mode:show-all() > kotl-mode:overview(nil) > funcall-interactively(kotl-mode:overview nil) > hui:menu-act(hyperbole nil nil nil) > hyperbole(nil nil nil nil) > funcall-interactively(hyperbole nil nil nil nil) > command-execute(hyperbole record) > execute-extended-command(nil "hyperbole" "hyperbole") > funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "hyperbole" "h= yperbole") > command-execute(execute-extended-command) > > However,=20 > > b) C-h h, k, o =3D>=20 > reports "hypb:error: (kotl-mode:is-p): =E2=80=99*scratch*=E2=80=99 is no= t a valid Hyperbole koutline" in echo.=20 > > At the point I got these messages I was following along with the Info man= ual (2.1 Invocation) and just randomly selected K , O to see what it did. = I > hadn't yet read the bit about o(vervw) "Show[ing] first line of each cell= ", (9.1 Koutliner Menu Commands) so fair enough, I tried to perform an ill= egal > action (attempted that action in a non-Koutliner buffer).=20=20 > > Further confusion was had when I ran the commands in a .kotl buffer and i= t (appropriately, although I didn't realize it at the time) showed me the f= irst line > of each cell. I assumed most of my existing text had been deleted, so I= tried a C-/ to undo.=20 > > That sent a rather inscrutable "Changes to be undone are outside visible = portion of buffer" message. That error seems to be caused by attempting to > undo a narrowed region. Which, unbeknownst to me, was turned on. (Clear= as day, there was 'Narrow' in my mode-line.) So I followed the advice in t= he > linked thread and invoked M-x widen. > > Great, everything returned! (I eventually figured out that C-h h k a wou= ld do it too). But M-x widen also inserted this at the bottom of my .kotl= buffer: > > "ben" ;; kvspec:current > 1 ;; id-counter > alpha ;; label-type > 4 ;; label-min-width > ". " ;; label-separator > 3 ;; level-indent > > ;; depth-first kcell attributes > [[0 > (creator "cena@byzantium" create-time "20250514:19:33:49" id-counter 1)] > [1 > (creator "cena@byzantium" create-time "20250514:19:33:49")]] > > (C-h h k a did not insert the above).=20=20 > > I ASSume it's something to do with the cell properties, but I didn't make= any changes there - this is all from a fresh install and just typing in a = .kotl file > using whatever the default settings are, then running commands. > > Best, > Cena Mayo Thanks for the report and for trying out koutliner. As you figured out the overview action is only valid for a kotline. Hence t= here is an error message when that is applied to another type of buffer. I = suppose what this is telling us is that a more user friendly message could = be displayed in this case. For the narrowing issue. A koutline is not a text format but a binary forma= t. Narrowing is used to hide parts of the buffer that is not meant for the = user to edit directly. And if you do edit that the koutline might be broken= . Se be careful. The take away is that we need to see if we can turn the er= ror message into something that makes more sense for a koutline user. 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[69.119.2.90]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-7cd00fe77d3sm972417985a.96.2025.05.15.05.09.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 15 May 2025 05:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Robert Weiner Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: bug#78436: Koutliner M-x hyperbole k o vs C-h h k o error messaging Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 08:09:18 -0400 Message-Id: <71ACD3C1-211E-4068-996E-0E42FC41CA0B@gmail.com> References: <87wmai5l5y.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <87wmai5l5y.fsf@gnu.org> To: Lidell Mats X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (22E252) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78436 Cc: 78436@debbugs.gnu.org, Mayo Cena X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) Yes, the Koutliner uses its own major mode that is automatically invoked whe= n you visit a filename ending in .kotl. This mode stores and hides read-onl= y information at the beginning and end of the buffer, so just leave it narro= wed as designed. Use {C-h h k e} ti display your own copy of the Koutliner E= XAMPLE.kotl file which walks you through all of the key bindings and link ca= pabilities interactively. There are no bugs in this report, all error messages are correct and meant t= o help guide you. Please clise this bug repirt when you have a chance. =E2= =80=94 rsw=