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I think we'd better also search for lib$lib.dll.a even it's a odd behavior to search lib$lib.a for cl. However I don't know if that's ok because it doesn't seem to be useful. 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[24.156.181.135]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-6f8b0979d31sm1923506d6.95.2025.05.15.10.45.17 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 15 May 2025 10:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 13:45:16 -0400 From: Nick Bowler To: Yang Kun Subject: Re: bug#78410: Patch for tiny improve cl wrapper script Message-ID: <6qstvnwz7qzidc5dt7crdbju3rsyz5sezazk6ve757sugqfbmr@x4ih3hbicnza> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78410 Cc: 78410@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:05:54PM +0800, Yang Kun wrote: [...] > diff --git a/lib/compile b/lib/compile > index c404e89..a2afc93 100755 > --- a/lib/compile > +++ b/lib/compile > @@ -28,12 +28,8 @@ scriptversion=2025-02-03.05; # UTC > # bugs to or send patches to > # . > > -nl=' > -' > - > -# We need space, tab and new line, in precisely that order. Quoting is > -# there to prevent tools from complaining about whitespace usage. > -IFS=" "" $nl" > +# We need space, tab and new line, in precisely that order. > +IFS=$' \t\n' IFS=$' \t\n' is a bashism which is not supported in most other shells. The original code is portable. This seems to have nothing to do with the rest of your change, so why change it at all? Cheers, Nick From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 15 16:07:44 2025 Received: (at 78410) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 May 2025 20:07:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56612 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uFern-0001TY-Pp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 May 2025 16:07:44 -0400 Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([198.99.81.75]:38940 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uFerl-0001TI-J5 for 78410@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 May 2025 16:07:41 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 54FK7dlY2619179 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 15 May 2025 14:07:39 -0600 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.14.7/Submit) id 54FK7dse2619178; Thu, 15 May 2025 14:07:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 14:07:39 -0600 Message-Id: <202505152007.54FK7dse2619178@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: nbowler@draconx.ca Subject: Re: bug#78410: Patch for tiny improve cl wrapper script In-Reply-To: <6qstvnwz7qzidc5dt7crdbju3rsyz5sezazk6ve757sugqfbmr@x4ih3hbicnza> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78410 Cc: ikspress@outlook.com, 78410@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Nick, Yang, IFS=$' \t\n' is a bashism which is not supported in most other shells. The original code is portable. This seems to have nothing to do with the rest of your change, so why change it at all? Indeed, I was going to make the same comment. I won't be installing that part of the patch. The functional part of the change, to check for $lib.dll.a files after $lib.dll.lib files, seems fine (harmless at least) on the face of it, but Yang, I don't understand your comment: > I think we'd better also search for lib$lib.dll.a even it's a odd > behavior to search lib$lib.a for cl. What is "cl"? "Command line"? Doesn't make sense to me. > However I don't know if that's ok because it doesn't seem to be > useful. If it's not useful then why did you take the time to propose the change? Does anyone/anything actually use .dll.a files? Search engines have very few, though not zero, results for me. --thanks, karl. 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"Command line"? Doesn't make sense to me. "cl" is Microsoft's C compiler. > > However I don't know if that's ok because it doesn't seem to be > > useful. > > If it's not useful then why did you take the time to propose the change? > Does anyone/anything actually use .dll.a files? Search engines have very > few, though not zero, results for me. --thanks, karl. I think libfoo.dll.a would be an import library (a detail of using shared libraries on Windows) created by a MinGW build environment. So perhaps this sort of thing will help when a project is being built with Microsoft tools but depends on a shared library built with MinGW? But I'm certainly no expert in this area so it would be good to know what's actually being solved. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Karl, I see you're somewhat confused about changes proposed by Yang Kun. Let me a= dd some context here. "cl" (cl.exe) is Microsoft's C/C++ compiler, sometimes referred as MSVC. One thing to keep in mind about cl.exe is that it does not understand commo= n flags like `-L`, ` -l`, `-Wl` or combination of `-c -o`, so the `compile`= script is used to emulate them. It also handles conversion between unix- a= nd windows-style filenames (e.g. when building from Cygwin environment). On Windows, unlike other platforms such as Linux, you do not link directly = against the shared library (*.so, or in case of Windows *.dll), but against= import libraries. The thing is that naming conventions used to name libraries on Windows diff= ers depending on toolchain and build system used to produce them. Note that= you can use libraries produced using one toolchain with another (at least = with C libraries). Libtool uses the following naming convention for theoretical library libNAM= E: - With (mingw's) gcc/clang, static library would be named libNAME.a and imp= ort library would be named libNAME.dll.a. - With MSVC-like tools (e.g. cl.exe and clang-cl.exe) static library would = be named NAME.lib and import library would be named NAME.dll.lib. Note how with MSVC `lib` prefix is omitted and `.lib` extension is used ins= tead of `.a` (which is common everywhere but Windows). However, other build system, like cmake and meson, (by default) use differe= nt naming convention for import libraries: NAME.lib (which overlaps with Li= btool's name for MSVC's static libraries). The proposed patch makes `compile` wrapper search for import libraries prod= uces with (mingw's) gcc/clang, in addition to import libraries produces wit= h MSVC-like (cl.exe) tools. IMO, the proposed change is good. The only comment I can make is that I wou= ld prefer looking for libraries produced with gcc/clang after looking for l= ibraries produces with MSVC-like tools. I actually would like to propose adding one more entry to the search path: = `$dir/lib$lib.lib`, which should follow `$dir/$lib.lib`. I am not sure if t= his name is widely used, however, Microsoft documentation uses such names i= n examples related to creation of static libraries. I hope this information helps. - Kirill Makurin ________________________________ From: bug-automake-bounces+maiddaisuki=3Doutlook.com@gnu.org on behalf of Karl Berry Sent: Friday, May 16, 2025 5:07 AM To: nbowler@draconx.ca Cc: ikspress@outlook.com ; 78410@debbugs.gnu.org <784= 10@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: bug#78410: Patch for tiny improve cl wrapper script Hi Nick, Yang, IFS=3D$' \t\n' is a bashism which is not supported in most other shells= . The original code is portable. This seems to have nothing to do with the rest of your change, so why change it at all? Indeed, I was going to make the same comment. I won't be installing that part of the patch. The functional part of the change, to check for $lib.dll.a files after $lib.dll.lib files, seems fine (harmless at least) on the face of it, but Yang, I don't understand your comment: > I think we'd better also search for lib$lib.dll.a even it's a odd > behavior to search lib$lib.a for cl. What is "cl"? "Command line"? Doesn't make sense to me. > However I don't know if that's ok because it doesn't seem to be > useful. If it's not useful then why did you take the time to propose the change? Does anyone/anything actually use .dll.a files? Search engines have very few, though not zero, results for me. --thanks, karl. --_000_SJ2PR84MB35380A84117D8936EBE48F2EB193ASJ2PR84MB3538NAMP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Karl,

I see you're somewhat confused about changes proposed by Yang Kun. Let me a= dd some context here.

"cl" (cl.exe) is Microsoft's C/C++ compiler, sometimes referred a= s MSVC.

One thing to keep in mind about cl.exe is that it does not understand commo= n flags like `-L`, ` -l`, `-Wl` or combination of `-c -o`, so the `compile`= script is used to emulate them. It also handles conversion between unix- a= nd windows-style filenames (e.g. when building from Cygwin environment).

On Windows, unlike other platforms such as Linux, you do not link directly = against the shared library (*.so, or in case of Windows *.dll), but against= import libraries.

The thing is that naming conventions used to name libraries on Windows diff= ers depending on toolchain and build system used to produce them. Note that= you can use libraries produced using one toolchain with another (at least = with C libraries).

Libtool uses the following naming convention for theoretical library libNAM= E:

- With (mingw's) gcc/clang, static library would be named libNAME.a and imp= ort library would be named libNAME.dll.a.
- With MSVC-like tools (e.g. cl.exe and clang-cl.exe) static library would = be named NAME.lib and import library would be named NAME.dll.lib.

Note how with MSVC `lib` prefix is omitted and `.lib` extension is used ins= tead of `.a` (which is common everywhere but Windows).

However, other build system, like cmake and meson, (by default) use differe= nt naming convention for import libraries: NAME.lib (which overlaps with Li= btool's name for MSVC's static libraries).

The proposed patch makes `compile` wrapper search for import libraries prod= uces with (mingw's) gcc/clang, in addition to import libraries produces wit= h MSVC-like (cl.exe) tools.

IMO, the proposed change is good. The only comment I can make is that I wou= ld prefer looking for libraries produced with gcc/clang after looking for l= ibraries produces with MSVC-like tools.

I actually would like to propose adding one more entry to the search path: = `$dir/lib$lib.lib`, which should follow `$dir/$lib.lib`. I am not sure if t= his name is widely used, however, Microsoft documentation uses such names i= n examples related to creation of static libraries. 

I hope this information helps.

- Kirill Makurin
From: bug-automake-bounces+= maiddaisuki=3Doutlook.com@gnu.org <bug-automake-bounces+maiddaisuki=3Dou= tlook.com@gnu.org> on behalf of Karl Berry <karl@freefriends.org><= br> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2025 5:07 AM
To: nbowler@draconx.ca <nbowler@draconx.ca>
Cc: ikspress@outlook.com <ikspress@outlook.com>; 78410@debbugs= .gnu.org <78410@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#78410: Patch for tiny improve cl wrapper script
 
Hi Nick, Yang,

    IFS=3D$' \t\n' is a bashism which is not supported in mo= st other shells.
    The original code is portable.  This seems to have = nothing to do with
    the rest of your change, so why change it at all?

Indeed, I was going to make the same comment. I won't be installing that part of the patch.

The functional part of the change, to check for $lib.dll.a files after
$lib.dll.lib files, seems fine (harmless at least) on the face of it,
but Yang, I don't understand your comment:

> I think we'd better also search for lib$lib.dll.a even it's a odd
> behavior to search lib$lib.a for cl.

What is "cl"? "Command line"? Doesn't make sense to me.=

> However I don't know if that's ok because it doesn't seem to be
> useful.

If it's not useful then why did you take the time to propose the change? Does anyone/anything actually use .dll.a files? Search engines have very few, though not zero, results for me. --thanks, karl.



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debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > IFS=$' \t\n' is a bashism which is not supported in most other shells. > The original code is portable. This seems to have nothing to do with > the rest of your change, so why change it at all? Oops, sorry, I didn't noticed that. >> If it's not useful then why did you take the time to propose the change? >> Does anyone/anything actually use .dll.a files? Search engines have very >> few, though not zero, results for me. --thanks, karl. > I think libfoo.dll.a would be an import library (a detail of using > shared libraries on Windows) created by a MinGW build environment. Oh, I've just write it without a second thought. I just think also find .dll.a would be useful when the scripts finds .a. However, I realised that find .a may useful for some rare cases but .dll.a not. For example, I'm trying to compile libiconv now. The Makefile generates libicrt.a instead of icrt.lib (actually it is a static library generated by MSVC) which used by iconv.exe but not install to system. $ ls ./srclib/*.a ./srclib/libicrt.a So I think my changes are bad. Please just ignore it, I made some mistakes. Sorry for the bother. Best Regards, Yang Kun From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 16 17:57:16 2025 Received: (at 78410-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 May 2025 21:57:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uG33M-0006O0-JX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 May 2025 17:57:16 -0400 Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([198.99.81.75]:55746 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uG33J-0006NO-Nm for 78410-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 May 2025 17:57:14 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org X-Envelope-To: <78410-done@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 54GLvCcS2711882 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for <78410-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 16 May 2025 15:57:12 -0600 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.14.7/Submit) id 54GLvC9L2711881; Fri, 16 May 2025 15:57:12 -0600 Date: Fri, 16 May 2025 15:57:12 -0600 Message-Id: <202505162157.54GLvC9L2711881@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: 78410-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#78410: Patch for tiny improve cl wrapper script In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78410-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---)