From unknown Sat Jun 14 05:33:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78125: 29.3; Obsolete text-mode-variant used in elisp manual Resent-From: rossboylan@stanfordalumni.org Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 02:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 78125 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 78125@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.17458933819063 (code B ref -1); Tue, 29 Apr 2025 02:23:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2025 02:23:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9acb-0002Lz-VQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 22:23:01 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:54906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9ZaH-0002Xp-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:16:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1u9ZaB-0002Ds-Oi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:16:23 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1u9Za7-0003vV-CE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:16:23 -0400 Received: from barley3 (m128-6.dsl.rawbw.com [66.181.128.6]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 53T1GFXC004873 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rossboylan@alumni.stanford.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host m128-6.dsl.rawbw.com [66.181.128.6] claimed to be barley3 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=barley3) by barley3 with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.97) (envelope-from ) id 1u9Za2-00000004lap-0Jk3; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:16:14 -0700 From: rossboylan@stanfordalumni.org Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:15:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=198.144.192.42; envelope-from=rossboylan@alumni.stanford.edu; helo=shell1.rawbw.com X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 22:22:55 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) >From emacs 29.3, open the Elisp info documentation. That documentation says it is for emacs 29.2. The `Example Major Modes` includes the code `(setq-local text-mode-variant t)`. I tried using some old code that included that command. The result was .emacs:39:15: Warning: =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98text-mode-variant=C3=A2=C2=80=C2= =99 is an obsolete variable (as of 27.1); use =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98derived-mode-p=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99 instead. So I think the example needs to be updated. I just commented out the line. A secondary matter: naively following the error message would result in this code: (setq-local derived-mode-p t), which I assume is a bad idea and probably an error. Running Ubuntu 24.04.2. BTW, despite what the automated report below says, it is using Wayland, not X. In GNU Emacs 29.3 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0) of 2024-09-17, modified by Debian built on lcy02-amd64-065 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12302006 System Description: Ubuntu 24.04.2 LTS Configured using: 'configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=3D/usr --sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib --libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec --localstatedir=3D/var/lib --infodir=3D/usr/share/info --mandir=3D/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=3Dyes --enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:= /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share= /emacs/site-lisp --with-sound=3Dalsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils --with-native-compilation --build x86_64-linux-gnu --prefix=3D/usr --sharedstatedir=3D/var/lib --libexecdir=3D/usr/libexec --localstatedir=3D/var/lib --infodir=3D/usr/share/info --mandir=3D/usr/share/man --with-libsystemd --with-pop=3Dyes --enable-locallisppath=3D/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:= /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/29.3/site-lisp:/usr/share= /emacs/site-lisp --with-sound=3Dalsa --without-gconf --with-mailutils --with-native-compilation --with-cairo --with-x=3Dyes --with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3 --with-toolkit-scroll-bars 'CFLAGS=3D-g -O2 -fno-omit-frame-pointer -mno-omit-leaf-frame-pointer -ffile-prefix-map=3D/build/emacs-sI82Rh/emacs-29.3+1=3D. -fstack-protector= -strong -fstack-clash-protection -Wformat -Werror=3Dformat-security -fcf-protection -fdebug-prefix-map=3D/build/emacs-sI82Rh/emacs-29.3+1=3D/usr/src/emacs-1:2= 9.3+1-1ubuntu2+esm1 -Wall' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D3' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro'' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t isearch-fold-quotes-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message mailcap yank-media puny rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils jka-compr derived display-line-numbers conf-mode pcmpl-unix vc-hg vc-git diff-mode vc-bzr vc-src vc-sccs vc-svn vc-cvs vc-rcs log-view easy-mmode pcvs-util vc-dir ewoc vc vc-dispatcher byte-opt compile info shortdoc text-property-search help-fns radix-tree mule-util apropos misearch multi-isearch time-date view dired-aux dired dired-loaddefs sh-script smie treesit executable files-x shell pcomplete comint ansi-osc ansi-color ring comp comp-cstr warnings subr-x rx cl-seq cl-macs gv cl-extra help-mode bytecomp byte-compile cus-edit pp cus-start cus-load icons wid-edit cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 374495 20755) (symbols 48 13041 0) (strings 32 57018 6966) (string-bytes 1 2151633) (vectors 16 32922) (vector-slots 8 933173 87704) (floats 8 184 227) (intervals 56 34042 0) (buffers 984 31)) From unknown Sat Jun 14 05:33:45 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: rossboylan@stanfordalumni.org Subject: bug#78125: closed (Re: bug#78125: 29.3; Obsolete text-mode-variant used in elisp manual) Message-ID: References: <86selrphib.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 78125 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 78125@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 07:14:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1745910842-30381-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1745910842-30381-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #78125: 29.3; Obsolete text-mode-variant used in elisp manual which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 78125@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 78125: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D78125 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1745910842-30381-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 78125-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2025 07:13:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46923 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9fA3-0007rj-6U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2025 03:13:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9f9z-0007qO-Fc for 78125-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2025 03:13:44 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1u9f9t-0004CW-I2; Tue, 29 Apr 2025 03:13:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=19yCy20ubTkyRRF10Eb4AjfVoyibUEuiA2fQMm16gE4=; b=rgTNuJ7V4oYt16HicOyl qsA1fjmbXjXLs1wL2+I+krNbw/1oIy1IlCybscKCFEp4UB2a7NuGwrnkOEbYIPnWhkZJxBGd7U2DK RL5LdI0bnydwUFz5KVTDAAbevdFWGGsSrFwKSSwrriPho0wFau0PhcZpsjNhcg6CPFy+jJKZDdtF9 qWyqOrLxxE7Lvp4r+86slOWibJTwC38AOqvIhjWou8taeODGntN+XNogCsnsxQI+qN8fGbawf7lja UfRTsOQqCJElQX+x0h/ZVC6NwdJ1Q9ASJzM5ol0iEGwL2ttm8yxktk7fufcf+Og3KgMWrYvpaa78L hALgzPLutZDPyw==; Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:13:32 +0300 Message-Id: <86selrphib.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rossboylan@stanfordalumni.org In-Reply-To: (rossboylan@stanfordalumni.org) Subject: Re: bug#78125: 29.3; Obsolete text-mode-variant used in elisp manual References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 78125-done Cc: 78125-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: rossboylan@stanfordalumni.org > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:15:31 -0700 > > > >From emacs 29.3, open the Elisp info documentation. That > documentation says it is for emacs 29.2. The `Example Major Modes` > includes the code `(setq-local text-mode-variant t)`. > > I tried using some old code that included that command. The result was > > .emacs:39:15: Warning: ‘text-mode-variant’ is an obsolete variable (as of > 27.1); use ‘derived-mode-p’ instead. > > So I think the example needs to be updated. Thanks. I updated the example on the emacs-30 branch, but note that the actual definition of text-mode still sets that variable, since we haven't removed it yet. > A secondary matter: naively following the error message would result in > this code: (setq-local derived-mode-p t), which I assume is a bad idea > and probably an error. Yes, you are supposed to look up the documentation of the replacement to figure out how to use it. I made the text of the obsolescence message more clear in that regard. And with that, I'm closing this bug. ------------=_1745910842-30381-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Apr 2025 02:23:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9acb-0002Lz-VQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 22:23:01 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:54906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9ZaH-0002Xp-EW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:16:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1u9ZaB-0002Ds-Oi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:16:23 -0400 Received: from shell1.rawbw.com ([198.144.192.42]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1u9Za7-0003vV-CE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 21:16:23 -0400 Received: from barley3 (m128-6.dsl.rawbw.com [66.181.128.6]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id 53T1GFXC004873 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rossboylan@alumni.stanford.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host m128-6.dsl.rawbw.com [66.181.128.6] claimed to be barley3 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=barley3) by barley3 with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.97) (envelope-from ) id 1u9Za2-00000004lap-0Jk3; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:16:14 -0700 From: rossboylan@stanfordalumni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 29.3; Obsolete text-mode-variant used in elisp manual Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:15:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=198.144.192.42; envelope-from=rossboylan@alumni.stanford.edu; helo=shell1.rawbw.com X-Spam_score_int: -11 X-Spam_score: -1.2 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 22:22:55 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) >From emacs 29.3, open the Elisp info documentation. That documentation says it is for emacs 29.2. The `Example Major Modes` includes the code `(setq-local text-mode-variant t)`. I tried using some old code that included that command. The result was .emacs:39:15: Warning: =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98text-mode-variant=C3=A2=C2=80=C2= =99 is an obsolete variable (as of 27.1); use =C3=A2=C2=80=C2=98derived-mode-p=C3=A2=C2=80=C2=99 instead. So I think the example needs to be updated. I just commented out the line. A secondary matter: naively following the error message would result in this code: (setq-local derived-mode-p t), which I assume is a bad idea and probably an error. Running Ubuntu 24.04.2. BTW, despite what the automated report below says, it is using Wayland, not X. 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Ross On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 12:13=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii wrote= : > > > From: rossboylan@stanfordalumni.org > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 18:15:31 -0700 > > > > > > >From emacs 29.3, open the Elisp info documentation. That > > documentation says it is for emacs 29.2. The `Example Major Modes` > > includes the code `(setq-local text-mode-variant t)`. > > > > I tried using some old code that included that command. The result was > > > > .emacs:39:15: Warning: =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9Ctext-mode-variant=C3=A2=E2= =82=AC=E2=84=A2 is an obsolete variable (as of > > 27.1); use =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=CB=9Cderived-mode-p=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84= =A2 instead. > > > > So I think the example needs to be updated. > > Thanks. > > I updated the example on the emacs-30 branch, but note that the actual > definition of text-mode still sets that variable, since we haven't > removed it yet. > > > A secondary matter: naively following the error message would result in > > this code: (setq-local derived-mode-p t), which I assume is a bad idea > > and probably an error. > > Yes, you are supposed to look up the documentation of the replacement > to figure out how to use it. I made the text of the obsolescence > message more clear in that regard. > > And with that, I'm closing this bug.