From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 78120@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.174585167629843 (code B ref -1); Mon, 28 Apr 2025 14:48:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2025 14:47:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9Plw-0007l0-HB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 10:47:55 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:34222) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1u9Plr-0007jp-GQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 10:47:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1u9Plk-00032F-Cr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 10:47:40 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1u9Plh-0003MS-FH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 10:47:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=J+FeAjA/ YULnZQgPL71mVTBpetUg6jIhMZkj5kRJ8Wo=; h=date:subject:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=ZlOV6HJ7UnDcZYF5NPQ+GZe9drCHn/Jhq53a0LHkv5Zk9C0pDl 7Iw2lLsn83iChHpXRryj6gIINPTUeE2haHBg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=J+FeAjA/YULnZQgP L71mVTBpetUg6jIhMZkj5kRJ8Wo=; h=date:subject:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=WPJgg3zfNwgTcNG8ZN6e/BMAkAjf5klLGhlWhVwrc5Yjl9ziqM Z4Laubeqba9fwTolp5hlLptRthqq7HCcYjP0k608L2L+ulgBLQcaiOYO4JI0sfdDTYYqsl mr51vcq7uqC+q8PvSR4xXkwP0hH8sYeFB8oSSmciwvut4O8ESZMGfoZw5BooVoDS+MselL OdTbucgw+CmaAlZiZh6bv42lGZUl/+qX/iiv+QKMstVYPfxEIJLLy4e3531cEdJqUJLUSJ tlJ4k4YsNLg0Ekqc75257645K9lOsfJQIta+8QXrS93w3Ff9Z2R/YuFr5vbMScCT2OlBK7 z4CpW+UDj0zw== Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 994e1447 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:47:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:47:31 +0200 Message-ID: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=51.159.28.247; envelope-from=manuel@ledu-giraud.fr; helo=ledu-giraud.fr X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Hi, It seems that the calendar is not reliable with its marking of diary events. Here is a recipe: 1) emacs -Q 2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following contents and save: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 'success) Success May 4 2025 Good day --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- 3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary")) 4) M-x calendar 5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the fourth of May has not always the same color. Maybe this is a limitation of overlays but when I tried to test (lightly) with overlapping overlays the visual results were always the same. 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widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind kqueue lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process tty-child-frames emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 871923 625139) (symbols 48 58118 33) (strings 32 264513 42046) (string-bytes 1 6710222) (vectors 16 158873) (vector-slots 8 2162459 45731) (floats 8 605 217) (intervals 56 18132 128) (buffers 992 122)) -- Manuel Giraud From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 09:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Manuel Giraud Cc: 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174626329227969 (code B ref 78120); Sat, 03 May 2025 09:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 09:08:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38196 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uB8qx-0007H3-Ui for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 05:08:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39514) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uB8qv-0007Gm-BH for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 05:08:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uB8qq-0006Rc-1N; Sat, 03 May 2025 05:08:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=igt504cRRMfKqNcaRxEjOZbmd3bXm5IWD0fC0MzqWXs=; b=gcadhmjEhJiT AuaSmfgKMzo2ZtHYcrAY435J53qCPfXvnvyHCo7UqdWz9NEZ965rm31VryEK6UlG5CYgOMxkoiUni SGA+fJerwM2Epzv6d0mMaqYfHPQZZzElVhnCj4sxR6mwv/pJac5QHxtAP480X3KW4dyeGSJ25w5CF DJx2OpXARp0COd1M4RjoX6KjrMhFKMuYK3VK9FgEYOs6bVA+nZII4r831BQVjIxOVef+ZZsrpstoj jXutiods3dsh6Y+WbGV3EYfek15ucagdE7pqmZnKlGAIpjg0f+vIG72zulmFcpe4IhhRJskteWPkQ lOY4rsr8tgUTzlCV4xiBkQ==; Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 12:08:02 +0300 Message-Id: <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> (message from Manuel Giraud on Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:47:31 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Manuel Giraud > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:47:31 +0200 > > > It seems that the calendar is not reliable with its marking of diary > events. Here is a recipe: > > 1) emacs -Q > > 2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following > contents and save: > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 'success) Success > May 4 2025 Good day > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > 3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary")) > > 4) M-x calendar > > 5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the > fourth of May has not always the same color. > > Maybe this is a limitation of overlays but when I tried to test > (lightly) with overlapping overlays the visual results were always the > same. Thanks, but could you please describe the issue in more detail? We don't have an active maintainer of diary-lib, but you seem to imply that there's some more basic issue with overlays here? can you elaborate on that, and perhaps show some Lisp that is not specific to diary-lib? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 11:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.17462724924448 (code B ref 78120); Sat, 03 May 2025 11:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 May 2025 11:41:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38935 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBBFL-00019g-HQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:41:31 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:23180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBBFF-00019Q-PH for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 May 2025 07:41:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=3yXvwXiy TccxdvylCCYDPsda6HwKdVHgpUuazroOlRI=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=h03HEUhjhLnnDl77+wgGy8MbvRe5WW GJS2ldBARw5UZ2aB4hs46Cjg+2GB2XGbIGtkMz3kArGh5iOmXIlXqpBw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=3yXvwXiyTccxdvyl CCYDPsda6HwKdVHgpUuazroOlRI=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=nlNYEwT3okMCEMe/eqBhM9Wty6GyR/p9WQTvR1 nHFHC+DApY0OwMdaVV70BRxRhEqwWUKoO3OQkdSb43NEPKIFgxkZx3XFaFFDjbPCmyUVIM ouhNKPQQn0ia1zNDfhGS5DQWW3l4Hhm5f6OVNJVDa2rNaMmEGCSi7luiS+X79wIYb3gVrM cv9iXc1bf+BG/LGUqYLf7+Bcm91ss3QAwX1EP95hUaOVgAEfPIdNLD42MRY6uTF6t27lHg 4HGWamYjeWfk6ooWRmuxMmdrdaAih8pRouLNwi5TRk7t5EEZM5VlIFTLu2Z1qxeWEc7DZ8 at2RGfGZ1szAdoQ30TdMph8Q== Received: from computer (2630.fr [82.65.148.221]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 25e43808 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 3 May 2025 13:41:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud In-Reply-To: <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 13:41:22 +0200 Message-ID: <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Manuel Giraud >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:47:31 +0200 >>=20 >>=20 >> It seems that the calendar is not reliable with its marking of diary >> events. Here is a recipe: >>=20 >> 1) emacs -Q >>=20 >> 2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following >> contents and save: >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 'success) Success >> May 4 2025 Good day >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >>=20 >> 3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary"))=20 >>=20 >> 4) M-x calendar >>=20 >> 5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the >> fourth of May has not always the same color. >>=20 >> Maybe this is a limitation of overlays but when I tried to test >> (lightly) with overlapping overlays the visual results were always the >> same. > > Thanks, but could you please describe the issue in more detail? We > don't have an active maintainer of diary-lib, but you seem to imply > that there's some more basic issue with overlays here? can you > elaborate on that, and perhaps show some Lisp that is not specific to > diary-lib? No I think that overlays are correct and that the calendar marking is doing something wrong=E2=84=A2. I think I have a better example. Consider= the recipe above but this time with following contents in /tmp/diary: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 '(:background "lightgrey")) Success May 4 2025 Good day --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- When you repeatedly hit 'm' in the calendar, you'll see that sometimes the foreground of the '4' is highlighted and sometimes it is not. Now consider the following code: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (defun foo () (interactive) (remove-overlays) (let* ((start 1) (fore (make-overlay start (+ start 4))) (back (make-overlay start (+ start 4)))) (overlay-put fore 'face 'error) (overlay-put back 'face '(:background "lightgrey")))) (local-set-key (kbd "m") 'foo) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- If you evaluate those two forms in a test buffer and hit 'm' repeatedly, the overlays are always correct: an error face on light grey background. --=20 Manuel Giraud From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 02:03:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Manuel Giraud Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174632414313102 (code B ref 78120); 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Observe that the > >> fourth of May has not always the same color. I tried your recipe but were not able to reproduce what you describe. C-u C-x =3D always reports exactly one overlay at a marked date, no matter how often I hit m. I don't know why you see this in emacs -Q. Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 05:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174633653821980 (code B ref 78120); Sun, 04 May 2025 05:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2025 05:28:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48833 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBRuM-0005iR-0e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 01:28:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36282) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBRuF-0005gn-VC for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 01:28:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uBRu9-0004CY-0D; Sun, 04 May 2025 01:28:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2Ap6Nly/2IbtcQMgJzqT8ra+8KXbkA6d6OK87xaUYYU=; b=JTxOzBXW8SaG yKs88XHYMm4kixNB32LkdFvegjDPojMtThIUANjWk5i1isTwiN4AET4TeYE7IJmu5npM3CpDGbZqF geXLFdz/tIwxnwDrBotbYNEM6eIfyHbvS6r9e3T67YJ4YBGBYA/X6/2C74pJXjsRu3GOwDgl6snjR pnYVspr+3HaC0ylpAg57Yglk6hIZ7INU7y0cmS9zH12ulmQPCd/c4iCQJvDC+AUe3lC9oPhsNx4W8 RhRc4F7qD+xg9ftx9JngxhOvJk/Qg7cx3O1FAco2ChqhCvwyPVVlOL5eJA4Ul0uGfjf7PulG+WQM9 StqSKXQwQnAcZ+M9t5t51g==; Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 08:28:42 +0300 Message-Id: <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Sun, 04 May 2025 04:03:41 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 04:03:41 +0200 > > Manuel Giraud writes: > > > >> 1) emacs -Q > > >> > > >> 2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following > > >> contents and save: > > >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > > >> %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 'success) Success > > >> May 4 2025 Good day > > >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > >> > > >> 3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary")) > > >> > > >> 4) M-x calendar > > >> > > >> 5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the > > >> fourth of May has not always the same color. > > I tried your recipe but were not able to reproduce what you describe. > C-u C-x = always reports exactly one overlay at a marked date, no > matter how often I hit m. I don't know why you see this in emacs -Q. I can reproduce this. I think the reason is simple: the above scenario places 2 overlays on that date, each one of them specifying a different face. Type "M-x describe-text-properties" on that date, and you will see it: one face is 'diary', the other 'success'. One of these overlays comes from diary-mark-sexp-entries, the other from calendar-mark-visible-date. Both overlays have the same (unspecified) priority, so which one of them "wins" depends on many factors, including the exact memory layout of the Emacs session. The latter changes each time you press 'm', so you sometimes see one or the other face. The solution is to decide which overlay should "win" in this case, and give one of them higher or lower priority, as appropriate. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 10:23:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174635417123929 (code B ref 78120); Sun, 04 May 2025 10:23:05 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2025 10:22:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52402 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBWUl-0006Dr-0u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 06:22:51 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:32460) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBWUf-0006CR-Mf for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 06:22:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=+uEKDUV8 UV1pREBf8eL7mmvvHYJyyyHN3q5QkbnqU6g=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=RotLDtLNJTWcZmPoWK7hpzntWLfUnu zffw6GvnnX+Pxci70CK3HTu588YQAiD3s7FdKvjVKJ4ym1WirCtqevCw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=+uEKDUV8UV1pREBf 8eL7mmvvHYJyyyHN3q5QkbnqU6g=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=Z8qVQJ0YbIWUUQxCtqqytVzbaumLOHBVcjEHHM Qw5uk9nuNF/8/iXIJ49VTssrpPLEQR3LoKv8q010XQav0FqALjMIhZBjq8iAf2NCx97KaJ C0/Xjhxs8l5LO9JKwiKp+JfhC81ubFp40bMLX1fYEbdp2XBn6MukB5ZbBXuKNzixrXKkzg aML6sZnre2NMoYtji6b00kDpyKaNnZPURkMzXbLvs+CbuaxSj2RYch6yJdlMeNCkhPVa4J iK7mMwsQQdhOtbNM8kZ56/KH4wJOMcrvyLiIABQvLvmkuESVhjFJPI8AzzGwmPHqHWq5VD UW7+cJDXkfDOT2UI/mAjC2jg== Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d9baf8b2 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 4 May 2025 12:22:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud In-Reply-To: <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 12:22:41 +0200 Message-ID: <875xigr7ym.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Michael Heerdegen >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 04 May 2025 04:03:41 +0200 >> >> Manuel Giraud writes: >> >> > >> 1) emacs -Q >> > >> >> > >> 2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following >> > >> contents and save: >> > >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> > >> %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 4 2025 'success) Success >> > >> May 4 2025 Good day >> > >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> > >> >> > >> 3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary")) >> > >> >> > >> 4) M-x calendar >> > >> >> > >> 5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the >> > >> fourth of May has not always the same color. >> >> I tried your recipe but were not able to reproduce what you describe. >> C-u C-x = always reports exactly one overlay at a marked date, no >> matter how often I hit m. I don't know why you see this in emacs -Q. > > I can reproduce this. I think the reason is simple: the above > scenario places 2 overlays on that date, each one of them specifying a > different face. Type "M-x describe-text-properties" on that date, and > you will see it: one face is 'diary', the other 'success'. One of > these overlays comes from diary-mark-sexp-entries, the other from > calendar-mark-visible-date. Both overlays have the same (unspecified) > priority, so which one of them "wins" depends on many factors, > including the exact memory layout of the Emacs session. The latter > changes each time you press 'm', so you sometimes see one or the other > face. Ok, thanks for this explanation. > The solution is to decide which overlay should "win" in this case, and > give one of them higher or lower priority, as appropriate. So I think we should have a way, with diary date, to set this priority. -- Manuel Giraud From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Michael Heerdegen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 00:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174640585315782 (code B ref 78120); Mon, 05 May 2025 00:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2025 00:44:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35365 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBjwK-00046U-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 May 2025 20:44:13 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de 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Yes, I can...I can too, of course. Yesterday was the date used in the recipe so I thought it would be a good idea to change it but... anyway. > I think the reason is simple: the above scenario places 2 overlays on > that date, each one of them specifying a different face. Type "M-x > describe-text-properties" on that date, and you will see it: one face > is 'diary', the other 'success'. One of these overlays comes from > diary-mark-sexp-entries, the other from calendar-mark-visible-date. (`diary-mark-sexp-entries' calls `calendar-mark-visible-date'. I think the latter is used more or less everywhere in diary-lib to place the overlays.) > Both overlays have the same (unspecified) priority, so which one of > them "wins" depends on many factors, including the exact memory layout > of the Emacs session. The latter changes each time you press 'm', so > you sometimes see one or the other face. Plausible. (Would it be thinkable to make the behavior deterministic?) > The solution is to decide which overlay should "win" in this case, and > give one of them higher or lower priority, as appropriate. This might not be easy, though (I mean the "appropriate" part), since there are multiple different places in diary-lib that mark dates. And of course there is also the problem of multiple matches of one source, for example, multiple sexps matching the date that want to draw different faces. Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 11:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174644450910880 (code B ref 78120); Mon, 05 May 2025 11:29:01 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2025 11:28:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39178 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBtzp-0002pQ-0g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 07:28:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54138) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uBtzm-0002p0-Lt for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 07:28:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uBtzg-00018M-6m; Mon, 05 May 2025 07:28:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=6a8yaGiFRHOKc6ajw84S5AlJfhu1uy1CmFfELatkNnM=; b=AdOOONu1SdGzyi8sxdHc H1xi5b1j8ApZDoxsX0CjOsDJUyrGF7xBo5+wCbHaXWcMQDaRKyd5NCm/XpsiBmETQYDxmpjhgQ9iO Hx88aUCoQ66oBUucV5LbTF3mUKCjHsN89QJthwtiNLzfcI4JmZDPiGVS/mq8buQvGMnS2v8CVURJc bFlX1z1NyLqaK9oUi50uyR8Qa1YgzWMDo9O1iqcGE8yQkbQ6hCpGD/onp7IZkEW/2qeRFUMaxCqO6 IxL4Krac+GxtEnDDjYiWo97MqkcMrDG3iNAqkxbqoq/Adv6qIJmuUg0LRSfqANVuqcz+9tBwL2oWD p1e9uwIa3kx16g==; Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 14:28:18 +0300 Message-Id: <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Mon, 05 May 2025 02:45:37 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 02:45:37 +0200 > > > Both overlays have the same (unspecified) priority, so which one of > > them "wins" depends on many factors, including the exact memory layout > > of the Emacs session. The latter changes each time you press 'm', so > > you sometimes see one or the other face. > > Plausible. (Would it be thinkable to make the behavior deterministic?) It's deterministic. But the factors affecting determinism are sometimes not deterministic enough ;-) > > The solution is to decide which overlay should "win" in this case, and > > give one of them higher or lower priority, as appropriate. > > This might not be easy, though (I mean the "appropriate" part), since > there are multiple different places in diary-lib that mark dates. And > of course there is also the problem of multiple matches of one source, > for example, multiple sexps matching the date that want to draw > different faces. So Someone™ should take a look at the faces and decide which one of them is more important, or at least post the list here so we could discuss based on that list. Alternatively, we could change the default definition of one or more faces, so that they don't conflict. For example, instead of defining only the foreground color, we could define the background or underline, or weight or the box attributes. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 17:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174646764130694 (code B ref 78120); Mon, 05 May 2025 17:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2025 17:54:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42628 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uC00u-0007yz-Rg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:54:01 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:39532) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uC00r-0007yj-58 for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 May 2025 13:53:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=2jNJC/Qz NyKnTCMmyugcDTcw6J8TBYml4NvTTrcEuM0=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=lw6qnccf9I3TgA9x4Nsgc7Iuee0Clh +JM59LP1tY3xWiJc9K+u6HAkwmrH5VNm6VwpCCjGPVeo/7whay++SACQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=2jNJC/QzNyKnTCMm yugcDTcw6J8TBYml4NvTTrcEuM0=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=PiEAmnxclzh0wscrxUDAe7x2Po0dpjZaVBPs+c 5trpEIRnYj85EvBmThFst+jSd/IkRjZTinF2rwLVE1DWehpEtVbG8khqAj4fEVLRH+eSuf 4PD0jqq3RUtWVskdPaBmgNA7He9VofDzUiv/dca/0via084Hy42GFvtsc4DJhoKYhiGEyb IkPnLlo22bPsG4Ky9VHYXWJI4Lu4hejBAXduz48+h4L2rkKysuzae+LmSoeoRJfhl25c0E spHlFGi82tMYuxDyel3CIv/X8tM79w6XliDPfVRHEFvb2ndpQKNqQcKe5TxpEA+7RTUy8W jGG7anurrcj0rM2MUjDCzgBw== Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id af925da2 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Mon, 5 May 2025 19:53:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud In-Reply-To: <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 19:53:53 +0200 Message-ID: <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Michael Heerdegen >> Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 05 May 2025 02:45:37 +0200 >>=20 >> > Both overlays have the same (unspecified) priority, so which one of >> > them "wins" depends on many factors, including the exact memory layout >> > of the Emacs session. The latter changes each time you press 'm', so >> > you sometimes see one or the other face. >>=20 >> Plausible. (Would it be thinkable to make the behavior deterministic?) > > It's deterministic. But the factors affecting determinism are > sometimes not deterministic enough ;-) :-) What seems strange to me is that I find overlays to be pretty deterministic while the face features are different: foreground/background/italic... (See my second recipe in this thread) But in calendar, this seems less deterministic =F0=9F=A4=B7 [...] > So Someone=E2=84=A2 should take a look at the faces and decide which one = of > them is more important, or at least post the list here so we could > discuss based on that list. 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What do you mean by "select from the diary date"? Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 06:25:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174651264629407 (code B ref 78120); Tue, 06 May 2025 06:25:06 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2025 06:24:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47682 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCBio-0007eF-0B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 02:24:06 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:4591) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCBik-0007da-7h for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 02:24:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=n2h04ZLJ UfbigeWsYPp/o7JUufRaflKZcG8njr7JOdU=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=Yb7R6tmwoTsWiPxNOsMggAR291ENYP wsjoaCXGIxcqsEyo4IkhQ0txqHj0vyiUwf4DyPGYkiL71TiCWXzSwIDw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=n2h04ZLJUfbigeWs YPp/o7JUufRaflKZcG8njr7JOdU=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=IEVjjGVKzThu11Gbo6mPSAl0FkOCqYOC8ED14Y hx+GZ+8DDC3V1OHp2T+BXyUxQWkoustG+3R5xtyYpMb/TJMljfrlkrt1k2mdYd6s5oMKV/ ksCLb9CR+ihXe4EN/TgmG4Caay2Wj41G8nj1acrxv+rOnz8n43GnjhbudwcG992fxEQWfI 1RciJ1+xom+y13n+e4wBeWG+lcfsRLFtt8UnTp+cNolPYfhPJLeRplDl+8jVCyCDcPvD3p kqZEJ5R2OJakStyQCOTRxnwXYRyb1xMzSl7CqFny/oJvQ1xytfS6OOdgXPzwPXkkwkWxPj krlyJ0JbOfLXhmxzDGqpd19A== Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e873486e (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 6 May 2025 08:24:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud In-Reply-To: <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 08:23:58 +0200 Message-ID: <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Manuel Giraud writes: > >> I think a better way would be to use the overlay priority and be able to >> select from the diary date. > > What do you mean by "select from the diary date"? Sorry, I wasn't clear. At least for diary dates entered in sexp forms, one can add an optional face (or a mark string) like this: %%(diary-anniversary 11 5 1955 'error) Marty arrives So maybe, we could have another optional parameter to add an overlay priority value. -- Manuel Giraud From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 11:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Manuel Giraud Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174653074929682 (code B ref 78120); Tue, 06 May 2025 11:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2025 11:25:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54029 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCGQn-0007ig-0T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 07:25:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCGQj-0007i5-VR for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 07:25:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uCGQe-00019m-4K; Tue, 06 May 2025 07:25:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=JawUPplF0g/ji8qdu3ouxbhOpQ4V05NdzxnvU8NMqgw=; b=Gi/dYHC/0Uch E6pEL9mMrO09LgUyO3u4N02FyGA8Cvk3ZR9lUGlB8SAbimizsmfrJAyVVvc4iJsJi6YiAvlnho60Q MVEI8pICrtDtd1mddG80QmKcIaix1px/AFXXXXBqdB5F6cL9Qcp7Dlva22F2nJFmQeaXo7ozydu5I K0lawuhU+mgVhclZBFgdzBwsclSc5BL99zZ4H3bOyCgI0zWwQIpxsX/KD0ezyVL/D3sVZ8qn3K30A xiz4F/lAHHM8bX1srjllPEsMz3wHzQ0V6bGjMwJzXGZUqH2lLexuvxgd1fMZ6lg6tBsTfYjc7hGg3 TnhVFJRSPotW3G7S5+/uQw==; Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 14:25:34 +0300 Message-Id: <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> (message from Manuel Giraud on Tue, 06 May 2025 08:23:58 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Manuel Giraud > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 08:23:58 +0200 > > Michael Heerdegen writes: > > > Manuel Giraud writes: > > > >> I think a better way would be to use the overlay priority and be able to > >> select from the diary date. > > > > What do you mean by "select from the diary date"? > > Sorry, I wasn't clear. At least for diary dates entered in sexp forms, > one can add an optional face (or a mark string) like this: > > %%(diary-anniversary 11 5 1955 'error) Marty arrives > > So maybe, we could have another optional parameter to add an overlay > priority value. IMO, it makes little sense to bother users with overlay priorities. That's a highly technical issue, and defining a good value requires to have intimate knowledge about the relevant features and functions. Why cannot the priority come from the code itself? If you are saying that it is impossible to decide which face should haver precedence, something that I find very surprising, then some kind of user option that allows to set the priority of one overlay higher or lower than the other (without actually asking users to provide the priority itself) would make more sense. But up front, I'd be very surprised to hear that we are unable to make the correct decision without burdening the users with these decisions. If that is what you think, please try to explain in detail why such a decision is impossible. Surely, out of the two faces one conveys information that is more important than the other? From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 17:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174655381228293 (code B ref 78120); Tue, 06 May 2025 17:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2025 17:50:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60996 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCMQl-0007MH-Ul for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 13:50:12 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:8065) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCMQi-0007Hj-0A for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 13:50:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=YVcFnjel fvftp3rCHruChb0+KTfKwtnAY6mLOQKI17A=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=31Q9of6otWhLoVzfQ2jdT4tNbmQ9hD NC6hU+GJsof/gxENs7m+CW4ufpnYnfI8dZFVNHMvz5/iCUPls1ta3vCQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=YVcFnjelfvftp3rC HruChb0+KTfKwtnAY6mLOQKI17A=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=bXA95jMfjtG+uA3K8/eoaj2bfglkH65TXQn0IV xDufDy/ywHyT2gceB6uJ/TdA4Gt50ji/0yQaTSXaA66X5NuEagyB5T0T2rSO1zVeyk2Tda OnJAKVY7+89vFmttlD85kS7AHe+yz1l8joc2M6q2YgD3zp9UGMCjVJkJ8GyVfBFnmLt3cT tgP9FNQQ5wYlVYisA8YhuMTomddG+69mmTI9+EyFStcT/ylWS+7u0hEFOAZ9MmN715NDlI DBRwXMIwdhsRQyDzJkeR6vaFm8BmGat6KsoSsmUtskdAi3skh23L9cEb/xgT+bRzeAYNU+ x5LNXtI1RSAupncp/voybkgA== Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 210eb22d (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 6 May 2025 19:50:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud In-Reply-To: <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 19:50:00 +0200 Message-ID: <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Manuel Giraud >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 08:23:58 +0200 >> >> Michael Heerdegen writes: >> >> > Manuel Giraud writes: >> > >> >> I think a better way would be to use the overlay priority and be able to >> >> select from the diary date. >> > >> > What do you mean by "select from the diary date"? >> >> Sorry, I wasn't clear. At least for diary dates entered in sexp forms, >> one can add an optional face (or a mark string) like this: >> >> %%(diary-anniversary 11 5 1955 'error) Marty arrives >> >> So maybe, we could have another optional parameter to add an overlay >> priority value. > > IMO, it makes little sense to bother users with overlay priorities. > That's a highly technical issue, and defining a good value requires to > have intimate knowledge about the relevant features and functions. > > Why cannot the priority come from the code itself? If you are saying > that it is impossible to decide which face should haver precedence, > something that I find very surprising, then some kind of user option > that allows to set the priority of one overlay higher or lower than > the other (without actually asking users to provide the priority > itself) would make more sense. But up front, I'd be very surprised to > hear that we are unable to make the correct decision without burdening > the users with these decisions. If that is what you think, please try > to explain in detail why such a decision is impossible. Surely, out > of the two faces one conveys information that is more important than > the other? I don't really understand when you say that we could decide which face will have precedence over another. If you have a face that says "foreground is red" and another one that says "foreground is blue" how could we decide which one speaks the truth? Or maybe you are talking about having a precedence defined on faces' names? But even then, for the diary, AFAIK we have 3 faces: diary, diary-anniversary and holiday. What should be their order of importance? I don't know. -- Manuel Giraud From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 18:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Manuel Giraud Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.17465560184195 (code B ref 78120); Tue, 06 May 2025 18:27:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2025 18:26:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCN0L-00015a-Iu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 14:26:57 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCN0G-00014z-F0 for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 May 2025 14:26:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uCN08-0007eJ-Hl; Tue, 06 May 2025 14:26:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lvSs1o0mdo2Vk5+PgyOXDOrp3ke7yh3qz7taAshpmS0=; b=TOcpVUKuiFfQ 667IWPpTrcQ2rlq1OLADzyqJRL7Grz292/jvAS/G9F/9oGtSmjZClYMdk/rPpUDQ28Esy4hXLQ14/ 0o1VUfD+nc9LBpXkMGK/gel16T5mJMntv7vuzL23zrTMRgpnjBnwdUDIVLa2qF+t2ORmjX6OelRfL S2g0oSjL3UBHmyxooIhpfttvqpg4GDasDKvDoKvJLwd+MmIdgdIAZB9eA7kdtYEQGu5nwEqH1avlp YBE2Gxi8KiRYgzgGjUXR34V6eLyk9sjH9+S9H63bheY9raFAPS5EqCuJG2nWKye5Tb2KMX3P9Eogk 263OCMXH/QHvl1HJMmMF7Q==; Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 21:26:40 +0300 Message-Id: <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> (message from Manuel Giraud on Tue, 06 May 2025 19:50:00 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Manuel Giraud > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 06 May 2025 19:50:00 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Why cannot the priority come from the code itself? If you are saying > > that it is impossible to decide which face should haver precedence, > > something that I find very surprising, then some kind of user option > > that allows to set the priority of one overlay higher or lower than > > the other (without actually asking users to provide the priority > > itself) would make more sense. But up front, I'd be very surprised to > > hear that we are unable to make the correct decision without burdening > > the users with these decisions. If that is what you think, please try > > to explain in detail why such a decision is impossible. Surely, out > > of the two faces one conveys information that is more important than > > the other? > > I don't really understand when you say that we could decide which face > will have precedence over another. If you have a face that says > "foreground is red" and another one that says "foreground is blue" how > could we decide which one speaks the truth? Each face has a meaning, I presume? If one face marks a date because John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", right? > Or maybe you are talking about having a precedence defined on faces' > names? Not names, meanings. The names here don't explain themselves: 'diary' and 'success'. If you know what those faces mean, please tell, and I will try to suggest which one should win in this case. > But even then, for the diary, AFAIK we have 3 faces: diary, > diary-anniversary and holiday. What should be their order of > importance? I don't know. That's not our case. Maybe there are more cases where we need to decide, but let's first fix our case. Then we could discuss other cases. (Up front, I'd say that 'diary' should override the others, but I'm open to counter-arguments.) 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If one face marks a date because > John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date > because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", > right? It depends? If John doe is your husband, maybe he is much more important and should "win". Maybe you will have a free day at his birthday anyway. Or: if it's three weeks before that day, John's birthday is more relevant, because I might need to buy presents. But one day before that date I have the presents and have been informed about the birthday, but I want to be reminded about the meeting now. So this is a good example of how difficult this is. It totally depends on your life and your circumstances. Also, Emacs doesn't know what an "important meeting" is, and who John Doe is. And the same is true for other sources of highlighting. Are holidays important? Depends on how religious you are etc. > Not names, meanings. The names here don't explain themselves: 'diary' > and 'success'. If you know what those faces mean, please tell, and I > will try to suggest which one should win in this case. Note: the success face had been specified in the diary file (see the recipe). The user can specify any face name in the file. Emacs doesn't know what these "mean". The only thing Emacs can know is: was the entry that caused the mark a normal diary entry, a sexp entry, or does the mark come from some function or via a hook - with other words, a rough category that doesn't tell much on it's own. > (Up front, I'd say that 'diary' should override the others, but I'm > open to counter-arguments.) May suggestion: first, when Emacs tries to mark a date, and there is already a mark, we use the existing overlay instead of placing multiple. Then, a function, value of a new defcustom, is used to decide what face to place in a conflict. And I would introduce a new face that means "multiple marks on this date" that it can use. But more importantly, it would be good if the mouse over text would list the entries for that day. Much more useful than programming face fights. Just give me a hint that there are multiple things "on" that date. This feature (listing diary entries for the clicked date) is already available by explicit request via the mouse-3 menu btw. Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 08:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.17466052327685 (code B ref 78120); Wed, 07 May 2025 08:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2025 08:07:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39995 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCZo8-0001zt-4V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 04:07:12 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:4725) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCZo4-0001zf-RZ for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 04:07:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=vNFVpjY3 YQ/6fsrLWxH7Y+uvfmf2irfj647RwFtTdHU=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=KoRG6ElN4CUD1km0yapnbOyYNs+UOL slq0o6NMaKwGvNZ5Hjue/F3eszJOkZ7mHBW7gLNlldgku8dCNFkoBsCg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=vNFVpjY3YQ/6fsrL WxH7Y+uvfmf2irfj647RwFtTdHU=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=DgCsytUiaxq+j2CeXrwjuLVbwxfOHFc2EWpkSe oEUYz1OCZYwVZ/a1PI5v0W9DHClkKuan1ydKwFxMdV+gYp21NxsKRrpbx44PVCF2NBO/63 KsWwtTXHwJKEhVJkibiDoIh8C6t/jTnEYvsAIAlyoD5yrv2miLTBlIgbaPX6rqhwbikhms SsGSEz0xSpH3aQiiMuF4mqw6oE4VQs45XqCb6uGh2dA1WOf9+6BMmZgEOotOabtWHQ+pVm ipoLqIrvSlc89r0RvW5Jg6sctGUXHLRjm3MJXex1wGwRgxsVP7No5yLH5fi9a6UTO3QGZ6 1ZpWQwTFONgihbisds54LTpw== Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id a7ca4144 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 7 May 2025 10:07:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud In-Reply-To: <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 10:07:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87r010etef.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> Each face has a meaning, I presume? If one face marks a date because >> John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date >> because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", >> right? > > It depends? If John doe is your husband, maybe he is much more > important and should "win". Maybe you will have a free day at his > birthday anyway. > > Or: if it's three weeks before that day, John's birthday is more > relevant, because I might need to buy presents. But one day before that > date I have the presents and have been informed about the birthday, but > I want to be reminded about the meeting now. > > So this is a good example of how difficult this is. It totally depends > on your life and your circumstances. Also, Emacs doesn't know what an > "important meeting" is, and who John Doe is. > > And the same is true for other sources of highlighting. Are holidays > important? Depends on how religious you are etc. Thanks Michael for this detailed explanation. That was exactly the kind of complications I also imaged and this is why I suggest having a way for the user to set this "priority/importance". >> Not names, meanings. The names here don't explain themselves: 'diary' >> and 'success'. If you know what those faces mean, please tell, and I >> will try to suggest which one should win in this case. > > Note: the success face had been specified in the diary file (see the > recipe). The user can specify any face name in the file. Emacs doesn't > know what these "mean". The only thing Emacs can know is: was the entry > that caused the mark a normal diary entry, a sexp entry, or does the > mark come from some function or via a hook - with other words, a rough > category that doesn't tell much on it's own. > >> (Up front, I'd say that 'diary' should override the others, but I'm >> open to counter-arguments.) > > May suggestion: first, when Emacs tries to mark a date, and there is > already a mark, we use the existing overlay instead of placing > multiple. This may be a good idea but overlapping overlays can handle some cases very well: for example, it combines correctly a face that sets a certain foreground color and 'italic. So in such case, we could have two pieces of information. > Then, a function, value of a new defcustom, is used to decide what face > to place in a conflict. And I would introduce a new face that means > "multiple marks on this date" that it can use. Ok, but then it is up to the user to write such a function. It is, of course, a more flexible interface but also a harder one: the user need to write lisp instead choosing some "priority" values. And also, it does not prevent us from having a default function for this custom: we're back to square one ;-) > But more importantly, it would be good if the mouse over text would list > the entries for that day. Much more useful than programming face > fights. Just give me a hint that there are multiple things "on" that > date. This feature (listing diary entries for the clicked date) is > already available by explicit request via the mouse-3 menu btw. Yes, this feature is already available (via 'diary-view-entries'). It is just not a hover. -- Manuel Giraud From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 11:45:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.17466182616348 (code B ref 78120); Wed, 07 May 2025 11:45:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2025 11:44:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41788 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCdCG-0001eJ-JW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 07:44:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCdCB-0001dh-Mi for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 07:44:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uCdC5-0006pP-4L; Wed, 07 May 2025 07:44:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UGEePqUeJfiLrG7Y6smWdtNRCYBsfvu/xKFKAXn8Hzc=; b=kHh14zrE2PXH YhEK2bpUTICGJvFkalV1x8daD0Oafnl5BAaoVjxBiqIlk5C+eDFZpvEB9hO7iCYCl4tj+SRpvlsoV IyRQL4yEzd86WD1W+C3L7TqW65TUqLMHBod44yB/LNop/6CYlCZbsnc20iLVJ4Ev8fPAC4NUtwsKi 375FTp7Ll4FuvMfKrT6n4DybUYUvwWcp3G5KHFpBhIroPXYBfIgemGIBlnp1haRqIOep1OOjf1lOP XlAMM/aYNxxugaw1e0Gu7QygO3AQsszyz0WosBX1PqWJRPjfM+BADpE0+jXPrPfjvIBUUNzOGx0fo 4fm4/X+TXDFviqLaiY2bxA==; Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 14:44:06 +0300 Message-Id: <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Wed, 07 May 2025 00:44:33 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: Manuel Giraud , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 00:44:33 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Each face has a meaning, I presume? If one face marks a date because > > John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date > > because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", > > right? > > It depends? If John doe is your husband, maybe he is much more > important and should "win". Maybe you will have a free day at his > birthday anyway. While these situations are possible, I think they are quite rare in practice. So while today we have this problem in all the cases, with the change I propose we will have it only rarely: a clear "win", IMO. I also made another suggestion: to change the default definition of some of the faces so that they don't all use the same face attribute. Then we could fix this problem even cleaner, IMO. But no one responded to that suggestion, and I wonder why. > So this is a good example of how difficult this is. It totally depends > on your life and your circumstances. Also, Emacs doesn't know what an > "important meeting" is, and who John Doe is. We usually solve this for the most probable situation, and leave the rest to user customizations of the faces. It isn't the first time we bump into this problem. Moreover, to reason about this in a useful way, we need a list of faces that could conflict and their semantics. AFAICT, no one posted such a list. So for now we are having an almost purely academic discussion, without even knowing how many faces could conflict in this way. So I think you reject this kind of solution too early. > And the same is true for other sources of highlighting. Are holidays > important? Depends on how religious you are etc. If indeed you are right, and the importance is frequently inverted (and I'm not yet sure you are right), then we could provide user options for resolving the conflicts. But such user options should not be overlay priorities, but something like "face importance", from which the code should derive the priorities. Asking users to provide priorities themselves is not user-friendly, for the reasons I explained up-thread. > > Not names, meanings. The names here don't explain themselves: 'diary' > > and 'success'. If you know what those faces mean, please tell, and I > > will try to suggest which one should win in this case. > > Note: the success face had been specified in the diary file (see the > recipe). The user can specify any face name in the file. Emacs doesn't > know what these "mean". The only thing Emacs can know is: was the entry > that caused the mark a normal diary entry, a sexp entry, or does the > mark come from some function or via a hook - with other words, a rough > category that doesn't tell much on it's own. I think the other face has a more clear semantics, and the face specified by the user also has semantics, albeit a more vague one. So this kind of solutions could still be possible. > > (Up front, I'd say that 'diary' should override the others, but I'm > > open to counter-arguments.) > > May suggestion: first, when Emacs tries to mark a date, and there is > already a mark, we use the existing overlay instead of placing multiple. > > Then, a function, value of a new defcustom, is used to decide what face > to place in a conflict. And I would introduce a new face that means > "multiple marks on this date" that it can use. That's possible, yes. We could also use this special case with two overlays, but in case where we decide to use this special case we could also make its overlay priority higher. The result will be the same. The solution you propose might cause complications, because removing the overlay will effectively remove both marks. I don't know diary-lib enough to tell whether this is a real problem. > But more importantly, it would be good if the mouse over text would list > the entries for that day. Much more useful than programming face > fights. Just give me a hint that there are multiple things "on" that > date. This feature (listing diary entries for the clicked date) is > already available by explicit request via the mouse-3 menu btw. We could, of course, add this, and it would be useful on its own right, but don't forget that Emacs can work without a mouse. In any case, I think this is almost orthogonal to the issue at hand. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 14:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174662874728711 (code B ref 78120); Wed, 07 May 2025 14:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2025 14:39:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45319 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCfvP-0007T0-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 10:39:07 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:44234) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCfvM-0007SS-Gt for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 10:39:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=/9g8tj2X VbztGwl4ynPrLCa+VMX9FjBXEKPvL6CQ0Yw=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=e/9RaB334XzaniVzn7NdlJdajnW2WN V9ZFgKGGaGOljNnFWbsjkFd9x1VWDes5xseKMaHA0/z3I0SotU6h7iCA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=/9g8tj2XVbztGwl4 ynPrLCa+VMX9FjBXEKPvL6CQ0Yw=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=0cUh1guevqNTkZ3zpn7R8/ThZxy9Xm7kfCH0ut n3VkTBzN9FBHPPV1XgEGGSoCdS8l0BPyyCpi/BB8jJ754sSz19MD60fE7dibG+uj480daE 5tPO9Yhi6edNMS7zSHmgGMYuOBtr6yzamun39LoS6p0pIvg4lHiP92m/5tEkZn5d9poVKb v7ZEkMxrc9qvbQ3pwSHE6StxW5ehdeD8b4PZgt4PZsqBTeSsKVrwO5g7byJ9HPIg4zIcfx 5MX+lmdc25ncuSHPg5Ai1zFPxQlOF8osemeuKNptbzg8dZ3o+HigTVZpDZkODXKmex7AuW XhAW2kz1BtlbtpOQOsnLNuPQ== Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 1f17f65e (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 7 May 2025 16:39:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud In-Reply-To: <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 16:39:00 +0200 Message-ID: <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Michael Heerdegen >> Cc: Manuel Giraud , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 00:44:33 +0200 >>=20 >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>=20 >> > Each face has a meaning, I presume? If one face marks a date because >> > John Doe was born at that day, and another face marks the same date >> > because I have an important meeting, then the latter should "win", >> > right? >>=20 >> It depends? If John doe is your husband, maybe he is much more >> important and should "win". Maybe you will have a free day at his >> birthday anyway. > > While these situations are possible, I think they are quite rare in > practice. So while today we have this problem in all the cases, with > the change I propose we will have it only rarely: a clear "win", IMO. > > I also made another suggestion: to change the default definition of > some of the faces so that they don't all use the same face attribute. > Then we could fix this problem even cleaner, IMO. But no one > responded to that suggestion, and I wonder why. > >> So this is a good example of how difficult this is. It totally depends >> on your life and your circumstances. Also, Emacs doesn't know what an >> "important meeting" is, and who John Doe is. > > We usually solve this for the most probable situation, and leave the > rest to user customizations of the faces. It isn't the first time we > bump into this problem. > > Moreover, to reason about this in a useful way, we need a list of > faces that could conflict and their semantics. AFAICT, no one posted > such a list. So for now we are having an almost purely academic > discussion, without even knowing how many faces could conflict in this > way. AFAICT, for calendar, we have diary, calendar-today, holiday and diary-anniversary with the following default definitions: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (defface calendar-today '((t (:underline t))) "Face for indicating today's date in the calendar. See the variable `calendar-today-marker'." :group 'calendar-faces) (defface diary '((((min-colors 88) (class color) (background light)) :foreground "red1") (((class color) (background light)) :foreground "red") (((min-colors 88) (class color) (background dark)) :foreground "yellow1") (((class color) (background dark)) :foreground "yellow") (t :weight bold)) "Face for highlighting diary entries. Used to mark diary entries in the calendar (see `diary-entry-marker'), and to highlight the date header in the fancy diary." :group 'calendar-faces) (defface holiday '((((class color) (background light)) :background "pink") (((class color) (background dark)) :background "chocolate4") (t :inverse-video t)) "Face for indicating in the calendar dates that have holidays. See `calendar-holiday-marker'." :group 'calendar-faces) (defface diary-anniversary '((t :inherit font-lock-keyword-face)) "Face used for anniversaries in the fancy diary display." :version "22.1" :group 'calendar-faces) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >From this list, I think that only diary and diary-anniversary would conflict as they both set the foreground=E2=80=A6 but as all those faces co= uld be customized by a theme, we could have conflicts at a later time. For example: modus themes also use the foreground for holiday so it adds a new conflict with diary and diary-anniversary. > So I think you reject this kind of solution too early. > >> And the same is true for other sources of highlighting. Are holidays >> important? Depends on how religious you are etc. > > If indeed you are right, and the importance is frequently inverted > (and I'm not yet sure you are right), then we could provide user > options for resolving the conflicts. But such user options should not > be overlay priorities, but something like "face importance", from > which the code should derive the priorities. Asking users to provide > priorities themselves is not user-friendly, for the reasons I > explained up-thread. Yes, we could have a set of diary faces like the set of gnus-group-mail-* faces, for example. --=20 Manuel Giraud From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 16:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Manuel Giraud Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174663402718344 (code B ref 78120); Wed, 07 May 2025 16:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2025 16:07:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uChIY-0004ln-SX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 12:07:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37516) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uChIV-0004l1-5d for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 May 2025 12:07:04 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uChIF-0004an-La; Wed, 07 May 2025 12:06:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=zJY5hu9cfDs9oVlKMc/99qXMBXVKeFdODa8pX9ybHGQ=; b=RyfAMApzkTAFxzcWxzco yXDimiWVyGHYBMcOwjA7M2Qroy4ooG0xwQyA2Iq8wj+aWJ3GxGooiaFFaQwvV66q8gOw0WrKCAYZR Swbz3d9YGU5BQMdNmzX8899amkJxM1p6snCPUVLHk4gsOzwVDBX2zqKr6OvcfERHcUyT9Z0bknSHl 7KZ8LBJXdqWsTQmizBDoupxidrgP0D2f1j9rzpWSXEJM12sZ6OBQ/3SrtxunbqW3d3J5YSL2uOn4p ugO9wIEPkFwfQAFspXLpNlWxWLw9czF1t5cE7h1xAdk8azbBiEQpUt/ESjZr7T7o5s6TYCINCQv/f zUwXo1uCy5p6tg==; Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 19:06:43 +0300 Message-Id: <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> (message from Manuel Giraud on Wed, 07 May 2025 16:39:00 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Manuel Giraud > Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 16:39:00 +0200 > > > Moreover, to reason about this in a useful way, we need a list of > > faces that could conflict and their semantics. AFAICT, no one posted > > such a list. So for now we are having an almost purely academic > > discussion, without even knowing how many faces could conflict in this > > way. > > AFAICT, for calendar, we have diary, calendar-today, holiday and > diary-anniversary with the following default definitions: Thanks. But I don't see here that 'success' face which caused the original trouble. Or am I missing something. > >From this list, I think that only diary and diary-anniversary would > conflict as they both set the foreground… Then I think the problem is easy: 'diary' should take precedence over 'diary-anniversary', because in most cases the latter is more "routine" than the former. We could also modify one of those to not use the foreground color, but instead to use 'bold' or 'italic'. > but as all those faces could > be customized by a theme, we could have conflicts at a later time. For > example: modus themes also use the foreground for holiday so it adds a > new conflict with diary and diary-anniversary. This is a problem for theme authors to solve, they should be aware of the issue and choose the faces accordingly. 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But I don't see here that 'success' face which caused the > original trouble. Or am I missing something. You miss what I already answered: that you can specify arbitrary faces in the diary itself. See the original recipe. But one step back, please listen: I rediscovered the (completely undocumented, AFAICT) solution diary-lib itself already provides to avoid this problem. Read around line number 74: ;; Face markup of calendar and diary displays: Any entry line that ;; ends with [foo:value] where foo is a face attribute (except :box ;; :stipple) or with [face:blah] tags, will have these values applied ;; to the calendar and fancy diary displays. These attributes "stack" ;; on calendar displays. File-wide attributes can be defined as ;; follows: the first line matching "^# [tag:value]" defines the value ;; for that particular tag. So this is obviously the user level mechanism the diary-lib author(s) intended to be used for more advanced stylistic tuning. Of course we can still bring the standard faces in some well defined order, but if the described mechanism works well, it deserves to be made more discover able I think. It is more or less what Manuel was asking for. Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 06:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.17466872676992 (code B ref 78120); Thu, 08 May 2025 06:55:01 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2025 06:54:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53059 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCv9G-0001oi-Je for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2025 02:54:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37926) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uCv9D-0001oF-FZ for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2025 02:54:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uCv97-0004VK-Sx; Thu, 08 May 2025 02:54:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=duZ+/gANTsk3Jwv5dIWVj0x2fsWLwV6ASArRJADekEw=; b=Wcok0isFBVSm t9XKd6O0i2xjtVNW4Lv2Ez12xROgg0CWLH30H8aypuiH+ePLeVNXXqPHPpLUkL+2VmLsdgiLRhpCs xEEnEOcKddI2rOnu/+fF3Hzuosh+8j+dG4BzEkG+9r8ktufYxylgglx/oRubDAFOyr2Qvj4ytUzgF 5G7OxE7+dvcKz5uwjNM3fz1rJ3uZP/tIxzn1jJPr3y5jM0nx+5gQBhn86xE9VmqX5vocaR8p44aj0 FfsqMHPKPuvxo2YqRIaElaVXVdQlaVXrZi+wcziD0kcKeeZXkUqHlnU9r27qmR04WEp2okGddkHrZ ZevbePwTyGKbUsNJ8xtP1Q==; Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 09:54:15 +0300 Message-Id: <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Thu, 08 May 2025 07:00:18 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: Manuel Giraud , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 07:00:18 +0200 > > But one step back, please listen: I rediscovered the (completely > undocumented, AFAICT) solution diary-lib itself already provides to > avoid this problem. Read around line number 74: > > ;; Face markup of calendar and diary displays: Any entry line that > ;; ends with [foo:value] where foo is a face attribute (except :box > ;; :stipple) or with [face:blah] tags, will have these values applied > ;; to the calendar and fancy diary displays. These attributes "stack" > ;; on calendar displays. File-wide attributes can be defined as > ;; follows: the first line matching "^# [tag:value]" defines the value > ;; for that particular tag. > > So this is obviously the user level mechanism the diary-lib author(s) > intended to be used for more advanced stylistic tuning. > > Of course we can still bring the standard faces in some well defined > order, but if the described mechanism works well, it deserves to be made > more discover able I think. It is more or less what Manuel was asking > for. The original report was that the results were not deterministic. I think we can make them deterministic by specifying certain priorities for each overlay. If it turns out that the priorities we specify don't produce the effect that some user wants, they could then use the other face attributes, as you explain above (but maybe we should document this facility in the user manual?). Still, I think the faces produced from sexp entities should take precedent (via overlay priorities) over the other faces, as the default. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Manuel Giraud Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 14:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.17467130467060 (code B ref 78120); Thu, 08 May 2025 14:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2025 14:04:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58222 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uD1r3-0001pn-Fm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2025 10:04:05 -0400 Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]:17434) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uD1qz-0001pJ-Cq for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2025 10:04:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=5eGuvn7Q dRW/qxw7MH8FBsIETapWQtEWD2VpLNMnaL0=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=tJLfGlf1reoEKOvLnv17WWoP5cM8Pu zM7sImrQPRGkASUTPlmHAuOZDi6u8DhLRsbGCXKfiEt+Fv2bSrsaoUBw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=5eGuvn7QdRW/qxw7 MH8FBsIETapWQtEWD2VpLNMnaL0=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=dAvVbilbtqy0iEgjpkQe1k1ghlVcYIYBpjhuom gSAJiSax3Ka2KA747TmlIZPVJdxgjnxOxjiWYXY267bFOz3rp+iIQ044D6gUjTrVtlf+gW TXN8EvkABBHaImqKNoj3nAJ/W9sl55SF9gevT2n41kwL7HSueuSXPqZmIYPSBVTd2ZUUN1 /EZ8C4YY2uB2PsnsxAYCX9P74u6PqOWlKbjrvelQJ8RQP1lU+gdhsum/dnpTbz7zz6WgLL t18dX/Y8XN3JpvZTWFLJunEGwqCrCdV73WpmNTeo/rGyZEZwHDUWwG0cFO9hpiRK+Q07Eg uyiCyjr7aBK05fCjTAbCaE4Q== Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d5fac4dc (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Thu, 8 May 2025 16:03:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Manuel Giraud In-Reply-To: <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 16:03:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87msbnfbcj.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Michael Heerdegen >> Cc: Manuel Giraud , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 07:00:18 +0200 >> >> But one step back, please listen: I rediscovered the (completely >> undocumented, AFAICT) solution diary-lib itself already provides to >> avoid this problem. Read around line number 74: >> >> ;; Face markup of calendar and diary displays: Any entry line that >> ;; ends with [foo:value] where foo is a face attribute (except :box >> ;; :stipple) or with [face:blah] tags, will have these values applied >> ;; to the calendar and fancy diary displays. These attributes "stack" >> ;; on calendar displays. File-wide attributes can be defined as >> ;; follows: the first line matching "^# [tag:value]" defines the value >> ;; for that particular tag. >> >> So this is obviously the user level mechanism the diary-lib author(s) >> intended to be used for more advanced stylistic tuning. >> >> Of course we can still bring the standard faces in some well defined >> order, but if the described mechanism works well, it deserves to be made >> more discover able I think. It is more or less what Manuel was asking >> for. > > The original report was that the results were not deterministic. Yes. I think we somewhat diverge a bit from the original issue which was the non deterministic behaviour (but thanks Michael for digging out these informations!) Just to be sure, here's an updated recipe that shows this: 1) emacs -Q 2) Open the file "/tmp/diary", fill it with the following contents and save: %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 10 2025 '(:background "lightgrey")) Success May 7 2025 Good day 3) M-: (use-package diary-lib :custom (diary-file "/tmp/diary")) 4) M-x calendar 5) Hit 'm' (diary-mark-entries) a few times. Observe that the seventh of May has not always the same foreground color. BTW, I wonder it this can be related to redisplay since when hitting 'm' repeatedly, I see a flicker that was not present on my example with overlays (above in this thread). > I think we can make them deterministic by specifying certain > priorities for each overlay. If it turns out that the priorities we > specify don't produce the effect that some user wants, they could then > use the other face attributes, as you explain above (but maybe we > should document this facility in the user manual?). > > Still, I think the faces produced from sexp entities should take > precedent (via overlay priorities) over the other faces, as the > default. I don't understand why you think so: a sexp entity could be of a lesser importance than a non-sexp one. For example: %%(diary-block 5 4 2025 5 10 2025) School break May 8 2025 Important work meeting That is why, regardless of the non-deterministic issue, I think that the user should have a way to express what is more important than something else. -- Manuel Giraud From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 15:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Manuel Giraud Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174671867330731 (code B ref 78120); Thu, 08 May 2025 15:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 May 2025 15:37:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58957 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uD3Jp-0007zb-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2025 11:37:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36346) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uD3Jh-0007zC-Jq for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 May 2025 11:37:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uD3Jb-00038w-Op; Thu, 08 May 2025 11:37:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Z+JDQet5V4JgE1uisHOtMv5vv5TNMd17Bt6RUvjJ5Ss=; b=DzYDExkH64Xg +WNlPhuItzoJzYZEjfPoiCNbmoZ0w29OuRkzARO0lDLCO4nmBcSjAvv4Yhdx/WuQzWCvnifWVJvk/ kApGLf/o8E42ZU0spWsy8fi28TswwJKptxHCf0FwsqKjOjYiP1GSEF+SJD9LkdlV0nABmMWM+magj bi6POatXzSyUe08ZpYluvubf9AgzzH/tt1XC0sNjUOXVO2NbxdoKBB67wbE/VvIkuzACSlH56bNft iynQia01mzL4oTRoLbkYNnEVoy8L4Jb0U/epO31podL0BpJ8ou/tmSp18zl8stTnavUpvb4aRHpYR bVRs7/U8nBxyPykO7XTfGg==; Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 18:37:36 +0300 Message-Id: <861pszdsfz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87msbnfbcj.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> (message from Manuel Giraud on Thu, 08 May 2025 16:03:56 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> <87msbnfbcj.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Manuel Giraud > Cc: Michael Heerdegen , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 08 May 2025 16:03:56 +0200 > > BTW, I wonder it this can be related to redisplay since when hitting 'm' > repeatedly, I see a flicker that was not present on my example with > overlays (above in this thread). Overlays are a display-time feature, so of course it's related to redisplay. It's redisplay that decides which of the overlays to show when several of them "compete". And if some Lisp sets up a hook that moves overlays, then you'll have an immediate additional redisplay cycle, which might be what you see. > > I think we can make them deterministic by specifying certain > > priorities for each overlay. If it turns out that the priorities we > > specify don't produce the effect that some user wants, they could then > > use the other face attributes, as you explain above (but maybe we > > should document this facility in the user manual?). > > > > Still, I think the faces produced from sexp entities should take > > precedent (via overlay priorities) over the other faces, as the > > default. > > I don't understand why you think so: a sexp entity could be of a lesser > importance than a non-sexp one. For example: I'm not talking about what _could_ be, I'm talking about what happens in the majority of cases. > That is why, regardless of the non-deterministic issue, I think that the > user should have a way to express what is more important than something > else. What I said doesn't contradict the user's ability to affect the faces. I'm just expressing an opinion about which overlay should by default have the higher priority. Surely, we need to make a decision like that if we want the results to be completely deterministic? 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explain above (but maybe we should > document this facility in the user manual?). Absolutely - after somebody has tested it a bit. Could maybe Manuel do that? > Still, I think the faces produced from sexp entities should take > precedent (via overlay priorities) over the other faces, as the > default. Not better than any other random choice, IMO. An entry being a sexp entry only means that the date is complicated to describe, not that the entry is more important. Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 06:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174677269917473 (code B ref 78120); Fri, 09 May 2025 06:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2025 06:38:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34765 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDHND-0004Xk-AX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:38:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51728) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDHNA-0004XX-UW for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:38:17 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uDHN5-000781-80; Fri, 09 May 2025 02:38:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=bDH4S7LLSJXu/ZkklU+cVezjbc29KUZgosweAS+BbMU=; b=AtnPXYwjNlQV BIofo5OSjkZtNM7xqIcdpfukkcuWZuRoK6nX36xNYar2LvguBz43xBHVU5g4nv5n8UzgbK4ITs3Oi uyDY75O7OVjren2tv9M/MHXMsnUjTApN2Qjcqv7Q23FnHRUemGJAkoAVZIunxJTXVOnk/FewbgVAI 3kuNhpXKSq4iGhMIFUWjGrKZVgZk++vI7oaCY97AeOy5KCeIOPKeAblmI69p8vBvMTnAas7qhocYh v2P/uQD0DZ7vrs3jwYfDuUv9Oac9BLlC9rmShAhXnmgh0f3A8PrXpJCiUZq4KOAm7lD5pN7KOqaLr 5Nja8RbC5EQyUCGlkUCW5g==; Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 09:38:08 +0300 Message-Id: <86msbmcmr3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87h61uqvhr.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Fri, 09 May 2025 06:05:36 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> <87h61uqvhr.fsf@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 06:05:36 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Still, I think the faces produced from sexp entities should take > > precedent (via overlay priorities) over the other faces, as the > > default. > > Not better than any other random choice, IMO. 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I wonder how that could be done. There are a lot of possible sources of marks besides diary entries (look for functions calling `calendar-mark-visible-date', for example). Marks can also come from user functions. Most of these can use arbitrary faces (the diary face is only a fallback) - and at least some of them are allowed to specify only attributes that should stack. If you really intend to invent some kind of hierarchy to solve this, this will be a very complicated thing. Michael. 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what I suggested (or any other, really). Ok. So we could also just keep the first, or the last, and throw away the rest? And I really would like to understand how the [foo:value] spec is implemented, hope I get the time tomorrow. We should not mess that up while fixing this problem. Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 07:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174677690410988 (code B ref 78120); Fri, 09 May 2025 07:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2025 07:48:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35096 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDIT1-0002r9-M3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 03:48:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49280) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDISy-0002qt-Vi for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 03:48:21 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uDISt-0007MM-81; Fri, 09 May 2025 03:48:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=5ByCtY63CAif3Al/5zMwbFbdEl9lZ74LK/YBdZ3SJRo=; b=eL0yvU+6GN2J fBZxhqsCTzfdtNOqpfGUgNSZn/UueuRMpolCbrI6mZZtlOrYlMFxsCdb4BZjey8XJFlqn8Ga3EtK8 yH2sOuOj+q/wZny89prehsA/6Q/6xm/dxu7NkUei8yVwZCpZpwtL65PZ42pCe3jVQzHrvVU0kmBCm PF7J5wg7eAwNsACM6ju1pehyc0zC7ylyOKs/0aVbfXtHD1o+ppRKBxz7Gh2UxIqav/jtFIq14BNLa /5YGrEx4J/A0ges61oBCc/WVtiLbUumVU+HVwSv5GnJtAV8hmLSHphBcThAHPflF7chNP9mGmUa42 qIqa963UOk5O8i6qBBTNGw==; Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 10:47:57 +0300 Message-Id: <86ikmacjiq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87o6w2clu1.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Fri, 09 May 2025 08:57:58 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> <87msbnfbcj.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <861pszdsfz.fsf@gnu.org> <87o6w2clu1.fsf@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: Manuel Giraud , 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 08:57:58 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Surely, we need to make a decision like that if we want the results to > > be completely deterministic? > > I wonder how that could be done. There are a lot of possible sources of > marks besides diary entries (look for functions calling > `calendar-mark-visible-date', for example). Marks can also come from > user functions. Most of these can use arbitrary faces (the diary face > is only a fallback) - and at least some of them are allowed to specify > only attributes that should stack. If you really intend to invent some > kind of hierarchy to solve this, this will be a very complicated thing. The priorities are per overlay, not per face. How many places that create overlays are there in calendar and diary-lib? My suggestion is to assign a priority to each one of these overlays, based on some reasonable estimation of their importance. If that is impossible, I'd need to see the detailed explanation why not. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 07:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174677695711085 (code B ref 78120); Fri, 09 May 2025 07:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2025 07:49:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35101 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDITt-0002sj-AJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 03:49:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46868) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDITr-0002sU-Pf for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 03:49:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uDITm-0007PB-6k; Fri, 09 May 2025 03:49:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=uyX482XACfLj4CRE6bhRuvU8Lu3V25MSOqdmhyHe+cs=; b=r5IgK1TwF/gi 7r+B8ZcDbDdggV+5CTqxTcXcF2Pj2Y251gTG4iFLBv//LgsvRiLWCqaOdMdsAbVPK995X3WZc3jIl 7WMNqynT5xLWqR2euO8b2N+SVkr/wSk4VC4ftZtCpA8m69pPg12z40U64RhgEogyl7LQzNhhMQlwo lDvOqgN33eXAxsYRA9p1z8jsuM+wZfkQ/0MDj7CC9YbVPwogqxOyLUcJnZZFfJ4xzRYSpxPdXqrWx /GaJpDV6/DlQbxplAJmrGZJciraM76XhkKzyMEBlVqQv1BH8MCH94sj5cC2S85IoHDXRHvYlmBLAZ 5aHGQ/cIQbVQbxtHn4ZuXQ==; Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 10:49:07 +0300 Message-Id: <86h61ucjgs.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87jz6qclo7.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Fri, 09 May 2025 09:01:28 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86msbujc3x.fsf@gnu.org> <877c2xx6ot.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> <87h61uqvhr.fsf@web.de> <86msbmcmr3.fsf@gnu.org> <87jz6qclo7.fsf@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 09:01:28 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Maybe so, but since we do have to make a (possibly arbitrary) decision > > about the priorities, to make the results deterministic, we could as > > well use what I suggested (or any other, really). > > Ok. So we could also just keep the first, or the last, and throw away > the rest? Sorry, you lost me: "first" and "last" what? 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Of the overlays. We could just place one overlay, and do nothing if there already is one. Or replace existing overlays with a new one. So that there is always a maximum of one overlay. That should be enough for a deterministic display. Dunno yet what I would prefer. Michael. From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 10:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174678719116171 (code B ref 78120); Fri, 09 May 2025 10:40:03 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 May 2025 10:39:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35905 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDL8w-0004Ck-CJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 06:39:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57594) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDL8c-0004Bj-Uk for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 May 2025 06:39:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uDL8W-0005aR-9x; Fri, 09 May 2025 06:39:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=W36oKLOIPU0xK6/QsfFkDYPizRbOORiFVCdQQS3wBwY=; b=nZ/3wp257h95 BSr9PmCPE8T2+K7/OQov0aL6N/EyKAmx62VdB/5fU/lN1IgD0WFx7beqm4ELzEr9XbSWNJy9l3jy6 PDj7RM6syV1rVMBxMvJ1mJ5svC0nGNvDiIJSQ6LbPNAXrozEUtA0yBJl3WvnY28HvtjJL8LLxfssW ImgDyLtS1nT6SL1vuG98MSqL3SoSFPb0Vcf3PhFB3uj4AyCCkdaq5dneVPICCk9xFXq52SfB02Ty2 9gjtUBtONsun8A1WzxIiyktLS67i5IqEJA6toTh4aVdkysuMlkHbA3ehsl6VNljAScVC8sSqmXkEG V4TRZb92/d+mYSwiV/Klpg==; Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 13:39:22 +0300 Message-Id: <86ecwycbl1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87a57mchv1.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Fri, 09 May 2025 10:23:46 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> <87h61uqvhr.fsf@web.de> <86msbmcmr3.fsf@gnu.org> <87jz6qclo7.fsf@web.de> <86h61ucjgs.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57mchv1.fsf@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 09 May 2025 10:23:46 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Sorry, you lost me: "first" and "last" what? > > Of the overlays. 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My suggestion is to assign a priority to each one of these > overlays, based on some reasonable estimation of their importance. If > that is impossible, I'd need to see the detailed explanation why not. Allow me to add another important aspect first: Isn't it quite as likely, or even more likely, that the user has conflicting overlays specifying different faces but coming from the _same_ "source" - e.g., multiple diary sexp entries matching the same date? What would be a reasonable estimation of importance in this case? I am using more or less only diary sexps myself - although I don't use calendar marking much (I use the org agenda instead). BTW, I tested the [foreground:red] specs for the overlays a bit and had a look at the implementation. It uses exactly the same mechanism as when face names are specified, and the "merging" of the properties is done by the display engine, not explicitly in the Elisp code. The code defines temporary helper faces for that purpose, and uses these for the overlays. These faces get the according properties. There is one issue we should fix, however: this merging doesn't work for foreground and background. You get the same behavior as with conflicting faces. This happens because the temporary faces the code uses initialize the face using the `default' face. And that face doesn't have an empty foreground nor an empty background. I think we should initialize those properties void instead. Here is the test case: --=-=-= Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Disposition: inline; filename=diary Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 LSotIGRpYXJ5IC0qLQoKJSUoZGlhcnktYmxvY2sgNSA0IDIwMjUgNSAxMCAyMDI1ICcoOmJhY2tn cm91bmQgImxpZ2h0Z3JleSIpKSBTdWNjZXNzCk1heSA3IDIwMjUgR29vZCBkYXkgW2ZvcmVncm91 bmQ6cmVkXQ== --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Michael. --=-=-=-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:29:16 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#78120: 31.0.50; Calendar is not reliable with its marking Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 May 2025 07:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 78120 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 78120-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B78120.174686356930748 (code B ref 78120); Sat, 10 May 2025 07:53:02 +0000 Received: (at 78120) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2025 07:52:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43389 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDf0q-0007zs-Rj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 May 2025 03:52:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52082) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uDf0l-0007zW-Vv for 78120@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 May 2025 03:52:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uDf0g-0008DY-Az; Sat, 10 May 2025 03:52:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=PHSZrO0XQ1Ew1pvLAyrPRYKdsc9VHhw6YVhEqp4VuX4=; b=SA9FbaNiW0vG idf7bQbtS0hL7Glw/9/lh0B1OD/zP5ouMT+o1DDWih9E/XScNlnvhdQ3etsOahU9nhb2cZmp6RZmV 2YRnJ76vjytb/MThA5ES8l6CRMulDBuOyjyuvTWw+uybckeTu44TdUlN1ttCjvWt6orcL3l/wxPDy Qol6ONzKisUyT88NwfW2T38ainzgSSrwPKySLEDzx5/NjExD+1YsMcBdTfmMHnJa+ZixcgFKLuIZO 8IzpvMFpWGRfotUpvLRtmsEYaXtpdQ3nowgSd5LdDC6BDpwQDqTXpz4tgRYfGr03j/nr5RfJL7VnK DmB+hsZrkBX4YYQEVirZpA==; Date: Sat, 10 May 2025 10:52:35 +0300 Message-Id: <86zffkc37g.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87cychymr8.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Sat, 10 May 2025 08:59:23 +0200) References: <877c34qr5o.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87selljfnm.fsf@web.de> <86cycphrlh.fsf@gnu.org> <87a57r3mxa.fsf@web.de> <86v7qfguul.fsf@gnu.org> <87plgneyfi.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <871pt237lz.fsf@web.de> <877c2ufe9t.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86cycmgevl.fsf@gnu.org> <871pt1fx2v.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86wmatfvdr.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dh1hri.fsf@web.de> <86tt5wfxx5.fsf@gnu.org> <874ixwh4e3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <86h61wflrg.fsf@gnu.org> <8734dfitnh.fsf@web.de> <86y0v7ego8.fsf@gnu.org> <87msbnfbcj.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <861pszdsfz.fsf@gnu.org> <87o6w2clu1.fsf@web.de> <86ikmacjiq.fsf@gnu.org> <87cychymr8.fsf@web.de> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: manuel@ledu-giraud.fr, 78120@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 10 May 2025 08:59:23 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > How many places that create overlays are there in calendar and > > diary-lib? My suggestion is to assign a priority to each one of these > > overlays, based on some reasonable estimation of their importance. If > > that is impossible, I'd need to see the detailed explanation why not. > > Allow me to add another important aspect first: Isn't it quite as > likely, or even more likely, that the user has conflicting overlays > specifying different faces but coming from the _same_ "source" - e.g., > multiple diary sexp entries matching the same date? I don't know the answer. someone who knows better what calendar and diary does with overlays should answer that. But up front, I find this unlikely, because if it did happen frequently enough, we'd have bug reports about that already. > What would be a reasonable estimation of importance in this case? First, as we already decided, which overlay has higher priority is not very important, since the intent is to produce deterministic results. And second, I think we should only ask this question if the situation you envision really happens. > BTW, I tested the [foreground:red] specs for the overlays a bit and had > a look at the implementation. It uses exactly the same mechanism as > when face names are specified, and the "merging" of the properties is > done by the display engine, not explicitly in the Elisp code. The code > defines temporary helper faces for that purpose, and uses these for the > overlays. These faces get the according properties. > > There is one issue we should fix, however: this merging doesn't work for > foreground and background. You get the same behavior as with > conflicting faces. This happens because the temporary faces the code > uses initialize the face using the `default' face. And that face > doesn't have an empty foreground nor an empty background. I think we > should initialize those properties void instead. Here is the test case: A face that wants to specify only the foreground or background color should specify only that. I don't understand why the face is initialized from default, perhaps some technical convenience (when no face attributes are specified)? But that should be easily solvable, since faces implicitly inherit from default anyway.