From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:17:11 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#7777 <7777@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#7777 <7777@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS Reply-To: bug#7777 <7777@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 03:17:11 +0000 retitle 7777 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not = in NEWS reassign 7777 emacs submitter 7777 "Drew Adams" severity 7777 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 14:42:20 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 19:42:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqIN-0003la-OX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:42:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqIL-0003lN-Qo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:42:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqPE-0006v4-Aq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:49:25 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:37467) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqPE-0006ux-8p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:49:24 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60377 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZqPD-0007LH-84 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:49:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqPC-0006u7-0y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:49:23 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:26522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqPB-0006tt-MI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:49:21 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p03JnI3M004775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:49:20 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p03HlJMw013513 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 19:49:18 GMT Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 925209051294084147; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:49:07 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:49:06 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:49:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: Acurf0hvRB39qxMVSl2+4zTyxj/RHw== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) In Emacs 22, the doc string of `directory-abbrev-alist' says this: "*Every* FROM string should start with `^'." Now it says this: *Every* FROM string should start with "\\`". That means that *Every* existing customization is broken (or at least contradicts the "should"). This incompatible change should be mentioned in the NEWS. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-12-20 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 14:57:41 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 19:57:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqXE-00046G-Mx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:57:40 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqXB-000462-TK for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:57:38 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1359F188B5AC; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:04:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.8.164]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BA31C00167; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:04:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.8.164]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7dEvSDGjhDlT; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:04:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-113-109.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.113.109]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:04:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id 470B5CA2A0; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:04:43 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> X-Yow: I was making donuts and now I'm on a bus! Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:04:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:49:07 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > In Emacs 22, the doc string of `directory-abbrev-alist' says this: > > "*Every* FROM string should start with `^'." > > Now it says this: > > *Every* FROM string should start with "\\`". > > That means that *Every* existing customization is broken (or at least > contradicts the "should"). *Every* existing customization will still work the same as before. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 15:18:18 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 20:18:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqrB-0004Xz-U9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:18:18 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqr9-0004Xf-KX for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:18:17 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEG00700RCOS800@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:24:30 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.127.157]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEG006U1RCSBEE0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:24:29 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:24:29 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS In-reply-to: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:49:07 -0800 > Cc: > > In Emacs 22, the doc string of `directory-abbrev-alist' says this: > > "*Every* FROM string should start with `^'." > > Now it says this: > > *Every* FROM string should start with "\\`". > > That means that *Every* existing customization is broken (or at least > contradicts the "should"). It isn't and it doesn't. If there are no file names with embedded newlines, both "^" and "\`" do the same. The "should" is to remind this issue to those who want their customizations DTRT with newlines in file names; previously, they needed to figure that by themselves, or learn it the hard way. > This incompatible change should be mentioned in the NEWS. There was no change, except in the doc string (and in the value suggested during customization). No code changes, and the default value is still nil. Can we close this bug, please? (Ts-ts-ts, such a nice bug number.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 16:37:49 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 21:37:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZs69-0006KP-1L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:37:49 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZs67-0006KD-6C for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:37:47 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p03LipTl019942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:44:53 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p03Kp8os015806; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:44:51 GMT Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 925516331294091090; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:44:50 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:44:50 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:44:50 -0800 Message-ID: <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcurhFnAGZx8M+Z2RNaYpIYP0XZHGwACeUnw X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > > That means that *Every* existing customization is broken > > (or at least contradicts the "should"). > > It isn't and it doesn't. If there are no file names with embedded > newlines, both "^" and "\`" do the same. Yes, I know that. > The "should" is to remind this issue to those who want their > customizations DTRT with newlines in file names; previously, > they needed to figure that by themselves, or learn it the hard way. "Previously" there was already a similar "should" (for `^'). I have no problem with the "should", in any case. > > This incompatible change should be mentioned in the NEWS. > > There was no change, except in the doc string (and in the value > suggested during customization). No code changes, and the default > value is still nil. There is a change in what we are telling users is the proper form for the option value. Before, we made a big deal about them needing to use `^'; now we are making a bid deal about them needing to use `\\`'. At the very least: 1. We're telling users that _every_ value should be different from what _every_ value was supposed to be before. That's a change for users that they should be made aware of, even if such a "should" is in fact vacuous wrt the difference. 2. We should tell users, in NEWS, that they do _not_ in fact need to change existing values that respected the old rule - in spite of the changed rule. They do _not_ need to swap \\` for ^. That is not necessarily obvious to users. > Can we close this bug, please? Sure, after it's fixed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 16:38:16 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 21:38:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZs6a-0006LM-Ay for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:38:16 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZs6Z-0006L9-4W for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:38:15 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p03LjK9i021400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:45:21 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p03JnK9i010792; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 21:45:17 GMT Received: from abhmt001.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 895275431294091086; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:44:46 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:44:46 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Andreas Schwab'" References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:44:46 -0800 Message-ID: <5B47E903E6B34365AC705F117DF540A8@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcurgXmix5Xz7bBVSAiza0OMoQgh7gADGWfg X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > > That means that *Every* existing customization is broken > > (or at least contradicts the "should"). > > *Every* existing customization will still work the same as before. Well, that's what I figured, since \\` and ^ act similarly in such contexts. Which is why I added "(or at least contradicts the "should")". The NEWS entry should also reassure users that ^ patterns will still work OK - in spite of the BLARING "*Every*...should" warning/caveat/commandment/rule. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 16:43:04 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 21:43:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsBE-0006Rp-Ho for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:43:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsBC-0006RN-Ne for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:43:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsI4-0005Yd-C9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:50:10 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:60146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsI4-0005YZ-AB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:50:08 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34044 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZsI3-0002SZ-Id for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:50:08 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsI2-0005Y4-Kb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:50:07 -0500 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:46230) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsI2-0005Xc-Eu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:50:06 -0500 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsI0-0001PK-6A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:50:04 +0100 Received: from pool-141-155-18-73.ny325.east.verizon.net ([141.155.18.73]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:50:04 +0100 Received: from sean.sieger by pool-141-155-18-73.ny325.east.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:50:04 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Sean Sieger Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:46:59 -0500 Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8739p9slrg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-141-155-18-73.ny325.east.verizon.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) Cancel-Lock: sha1:VxgxiCoeoFUlBlTCmMckCWYIhZY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Eli Zaretskii writes: (Ts-ts-ts, such a nice bug number.) I'm still giggling---you are so funny. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 22:54:53 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2011 03:54:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZxz3-0005zQ-OV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:54:53 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZxz0-0005zB-TR for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:54:52 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEH00B00CFMKJ00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:01:57 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.127.157]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEH00BDYCJ8K010@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:01:57 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:01:58 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS In-reply-to: <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <7777@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:44:50 -0800 > > 1. We're telling users that _every_ value should be different from what _every_ > value was supposed to be before. That's a change for users that they should be > made aware of, even if such a "should" is in fact vacuous wrt the difference. It's not a change, it's a doc fix. The doc string is now more helpful. > 2. We should tell users, in NEWS, that they do _not_ in fact need to change > existing values that respected the old rule - in spite of the changed rule. > They do _not_ need to swap \\` for ^. That is not necessarily obvious to users. We don't put in NEWS changes that affect only doc strings. How about if we change the doc string to not sound like a stringent requirement, but rather as a "note"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 23:06:24 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2011 04:06:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZyAC-0006Et-5U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:06:24 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZyA9-0006Eh-UQ for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:06:22 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p044DS9i010422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 4 Jan 2011 04:13:29 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p041bIQf022075; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 04:13:24 GMT Received: from abhmt018.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 895992421294114356; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:12:36 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.166) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:12:35 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:12:33 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcurxCMKdBASqZLESY+YTiK6Qun87wAAPE5g X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > How about if we change the doc string to not sound like a stringent > requirement, but rather as a "note"? That would be an improvement, thanks (the manual, likewise). It would also help to explain why. Explaining why helps avoid any misunderstanding wrt the older "rule", and it helps understand the new "note". The other part of this bug is the location of the manual entry: Why the Elisp manual? This is a user option. If we feel it is important to tell users about this in a manual, why wouldn't the Emacs manual be the right one? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 07 10:54:16 2011 Received: (at 7777-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2011 15:54:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PbEdr-0005HY-QA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:54:16 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PbEdp-0005HJ-9f for 7777-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:54:14 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEN00M00TQUIE00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7777-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.127.157]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEN00MOHTUFIM00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:01:28 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 18:01:34 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83ei8oln35.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777-done Cc: 7777-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <7777@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:12:33 -0800 > > > How about if we change the doc string to not sound like a stringent > > requirement, but rather as a "note"? > > That would be an improvement, thanks (the manual, likewise). I fixed it on the emacs-23 branch (revision 100362). > It would also help to explain why. Explaining why helps avoid any > misunderstanding wrt the older "rule", and it helps understand the new "note". I added a short explanation. > The other part of this bug is the location of the manual entry: Why the Elisp > manual? This is a user option. If we feel it is important to tell users about > this in a manual, why wouldn't the Emacs manual be the right one? Its description in the ELisp manual is due to the fact that the same node describes the abbreviate-file-name function, which uses this variable. As for repeating the description in the user manual, I'm not sure this variable is important enough. So I left this part out of the bugfix. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 07 11:17:11 2011 Received: (at 7777-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2011 16:17:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PbF03-0005lm-DW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:17:11 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PbF01-0005lZ-8k for 7777-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 11:17:09 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p07GOLkq024411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:24:24 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p07FcQ65000567; Fri, 7 Jan 2011 16:24:21 GMT Received: from abhmt020.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 939940261294417438; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:23:58 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.218.13) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 07 Jan 2011 08:23:58 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> <83ei8oln35.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:23:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83ei8oln35.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 thread-index: AcuuhCdk3vWgAKsgQ7uk4Hbvx81jTgAAv5Gw X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777-done Cc: 7777-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > I fixed it on the emacs-23 branch (revision 100362). > > > It would also help to explain why. > > I added a short explanation. > > > The other part of this bug is the location of the manual > > entry: Why the Elisp manual? This is a user option. > > Its description in the ELisp manual is due to the fact that the same > node describes the abbreviate-file-name function, which uses this > variable. As for repeating the description in the user manual, I'm > not sure this variable is important enough. So I left this part out > of the bugfix. Sounds good to me. Thx. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 08 16:54:28 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2011 21:54:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pbgk0-0004Ec-FL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 16:54:28 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-04.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.145]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pbgjz-0004ER-BJ for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 16:54:27 -0500 Received: from furball (c-71-192-165-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [71.192.165.84]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-04.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p08M1lB0023833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 8 Jan 2011 17:01:47 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 37A6F161EAC; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 17:01:47 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:01:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:12:33 -0800") Message-ID: <87d3o7kqb8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.145 X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 'Eli Zaretskii' , 7777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > The other part of this bug is the location of the manual entry: Why > the Elisp manual? This is a user option. If we feel it is important > to tell users about this in a manual, why wouldn't the Emacs manual be > the right one? Sounds reasonable; I've done as suggested (and added the anchoring explanation). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 08 17:28:48 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jan 2011 22:28:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PbhHE-0006Rq-MI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:28:48 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PbhHC-0006Re-Os for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:28:47 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p08Ma596029275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:36:06 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p08LxSxn009991; Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:36:05 GMT Received: from abhmt003.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 942292001294526104; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 14:35:04 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.42) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 14:35:04 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com><83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org><2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com><837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3o7kqb8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Subject: RE: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:35:04 -0800 Message-ID: <6D059C20A1D5408D836DF23C2AC6AFC4@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87d3o7kqb8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Thread-Index: Acuvf6q291OcB7yPSuKeQHiafdUx8gABD9Kg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 'Eli Zaretskii' , 7777@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > > The other part of this bug is the location of the manual entry: > > Why the Elisp manual? This is a user option. If we feel it is > > important to tell users about this in a manual, why wouldn't the > > Emacs manual be the right one? > > Sounds reasonable; I've done as suggested (and added the anchoring > explanation). Just in case you didn't notice it, Eli gave a reason for it to be where it is (in the Elisp manual): ez> Its description in the ELisp manual is due to the fact that the same ez> node describes the abbreviate-file-name function, which uses this ez> variable. As for repeating the description in the user manual, I'm ez> not sure this variable is important enough. So I left this part out ez> of the bugfix. FWIW, given Eli's explanation, I'm OK with it being in either manual (or both). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 08 22:54:44 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jan 2011 03:54:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PbmMe-0004wE-IQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:54:44 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PbmMc-0004w1-6d for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:54:43 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEQ00500LQU4200@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:02:02 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.131.253]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEQ0057ULVB3L20@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:02:00 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:02:00 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS In-reply-to: <87d3o7kqb8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Chong Yidong Message-id: <83pqs6k9mv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3o7kqb8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , 7777@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:01:47 -0500 > > "Drew Adams" writes: > > > The other part of this bug is the location of the manual entry: Why > > the Elisp manual? This is a user option. If we feel it is important > > to tell users about this in a manual, why wouldn't the Emacs manual be > > the right one? > > Sounds reasonable; I've done as suggested (and added the anchoring > explanation). Didn't you like the change I did (on the emacs-23 branch) in the doc string? You also threw away the text I added to the ELisp manual, to explain this. Was it wrong or unclear? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 13 00:13:44 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jan 2011 05:13:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdFVI-00014E-2t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:13:44 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdFVG-000143-Pa for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:13:43 -0500 Received: from cyd by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PdFcU-0007Vr-Rv; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:21:10 -0500 From: Chong Yidong To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3o7kqb8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pqs6k9mv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:21:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83pqs6k9mv.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 09 Jan 2011 06:02:00 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Chong Yidong >> Cc: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , 7777@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 17:01:47 -0500 >> >> "Drew Adams" writes: >> >> > The other part of this bug is the location of the manual entry: Why >> > the Elisp manual? This is a user option. If we feel it is important >> > to tell users about this in a manual, why wouldn't the Emacs manual be >> > the right one? >> >> Sounds reasonable; I've done as suggested (and added the anchoring >> explanation). > > Didn't you like the change I did (on the emacs-23 branch) in the doc > string? You also threw away the text I added to the ELisp manual, to > explain this. Was it wrong or unclear? Hmm, I didn't realize you already changed it (missed the message), sorry. I'll double check. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 28 12:22:51 2011 Received: (at 7777) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2011 17:22:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pis27-0001mx-BV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:22:51 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Pis25-0001mi-KP for 7777@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:22:50 -0500 Received: from furball (dhcp128036014130.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p0SHV2vW006956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:31:02 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1BAB31602C5; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:31:02 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7777: 24.0.50; incompatible change for `directory-abbrev-alist' not in NEWS References: <3F8051724A4D4413A7B4CCC51ADFC1F6@us.oracle.com> <83bp3xohvm.fsf@gnu.org> <2AFD6A500A684D38948C9F1EFE6CF6B3@us.oracle.com> <837helnwp5.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3o7kqb8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pqs6k9mv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:31:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Chong Yidong's message of "Thu, 13 Jan 2011 00:21:10 -0500") Message-ID: <87d3nh3pgq.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7777 Cc: 7777@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Chong Yidong writes: >>> Sounds reasonable; I've done as suggested (and added the anchoring >>> explanation). >> >> Didn't you like the change I did (on the emacs-23 branch) in the doc >> string? You also threw away the text I added to the ELisp manual, to >> explain this. Was it wrong or unclear? > > Hmm, I didn't realize you already changed it (missed the message), > sorry. I'll double check. Should be fixed now. I think the material should go in the Emacs manual. Even though it's not a very important feature, it's still a user feature rather than a Lisp programming feature. The discussion of abbreviate-file-name in the Lisp manual now has a cross reference to the Emacs manual node. From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:17:11 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator