From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:26:23 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#7771 <7771@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#7771 <7771@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Reply-To: bug#7771 <7771@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 08:26:23 +0000 retitle 7771 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally reassign 7771 emacs submitter 7771 "K. Richard Pixley" severity 7771 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 14:20:46 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2011 19:20:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZTTy-0004Ae-1d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:20:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZTKJ-0003xB-8o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:10:48 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZTR8-0001Vb-5N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:17:51 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:57249) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZTR6-0001V9-FS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:17:50 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45316 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZTR2-0007tW-HU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:17:48 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZTQu-0001SS-Sc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:17:38 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5]:57985 helo=sendai.noir.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZTQu-0001Rt-AV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:17:36 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D71F5E334A; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 11:17:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 11:17:33 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:20:45 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) I find font-lock modes to be illegible and highly annoying. And I can't seem to find a way to turn them off, completely, across the board, entirely, throughout my emacs. (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. I have it in my .emacs.el and I'm setting it manually and still when I visit a new file, or any of a number of popup buffers arrive, they still have illegible font-lock color settings. If there is a way, I should be able to find it either from a search for "font-lock" on the info page or through M-x apropos font-lock. If there is no simple way to turn it off, then that is a bug. (I'm reporting on emacs from ubuntu-10.10 amd64 server, but I have the same problem on many other versions.) In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.0) of 2010-03-29 on yellow, modified by Debian Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10402000 configured using `configure '--build=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--host=x86_64-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: diff-auto-refine-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: l f ) , SPC b l o c k ) : r e t u r n SPC s e l f . u n p a c k _ f r o m ( b l o c k ) C-n C-n C-u C-x s M-x c o m p i l e C-x 0 C-x 2 C-x b M-< C-s s i z e C-p C-a C-x C-t C-x o C-x c y C-v C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-x o C-p C-x C-t C-x c y C-M-v C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-a C-p C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-o C-o s i z e SPC = SPC c l a s s m e t h o d ( s i z e ) C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-p C-a C-p C-k C-k C-x c y C-x o C-v C-x o C-a C-k C-k C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n M-f M-f M-b p r o p e r t y ( C-e ) C-x c y C-x 0 C-x b M-b M-b M-t C-x c y C-x 0 M-> C-u C-x s C-x C-f . e m a c s . e l C-v M-> C-y C-p C-k C-k M-< C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-y C-o C-u C-x s M-x r e p o r t - e m a c s - b u g Recent messages: Compilation exited abnormally with code 2 Saving file /home/rich/projects/elffile/elffile.py... 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Wrote /home/rich/.emacs.el From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 17:49:42 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2011 22:49:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZWk9-000059-SA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:49:42 -0500 Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZWk7-00004w-Mq for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:49:40 -0500 Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so14449391wwj.15 for <7771@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:56:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Ir47q1FefAbXsv/ZiclU9zpYWb6z+Uu4pVdy/Ra/O8s=; b=q25sEyix+l+r1b90fO1JqmEnqJvYQPWWSf7l4c8oLcJclPvO/vtvCa7LXWgt+mBWCc YjRN6DgPb86mCe1+FaF8cdw57LxWlYnJcuyLX9OVTpb4CCGOmbEcd3aYo8NdSUn39NN6 s9UkIoAZWGNtZHt2qWSaIrdmPy49YFDQg3vjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=xY17OBIjjrX7x4Tf5MquII/xLvteOi5heQ1ek+zUXh3aqjY2lpfom2NwhVoJfaxjhu GzzZPT+k/tAK1+I7TjvJVeWiuoiJKf9pqASqBQIHXVWNcXdC3mPrCOHsmOoF4VO36Smz /1Tc2UWQCj+dvY5OrL5oWMaQ/OdPsP6pHBuIs= Received: by 10.227.195.203 with SMTP id ed11mr11232679wbb.206.1294009003741; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:56:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Victoria.local (cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.9.122.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm13646676wbj.19.2011.01.02.14.56.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:56:42 -0800 (PST) From: Leo To: "K. Richard Pixley" Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:56:39 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> (K. Richard Pixley's message of "Sun, 02 Jan 2011 11:17:33 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.91 (Mac OS X 10.6.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) On 2011-01-02 19:17 +0000, K. Richard Pixley wrote: > (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. I have it in my > .emacs.el and I'm setting it manually and still when I visit a new > file, or any of a number of popup buffers arrive, they still have > illegible font-lock color settings. What about (global-font-lock-mode -1)? Leo -- Oracle is the new evil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 18:12:30 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2011 23:12:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZX6E-0000ZE-Pm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:12:30 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5] helo=sendai.noir.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZX6D-0000Z2-LW for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:12:30 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 934ECE032B; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 15:19:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D210805.4010101@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 15:19:33 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leo Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) On 20110102 14:56, Leo wrote: > On 2011-01-02 19:17 +0000, K. Richard Pixley wrote: >> (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. I have it in my >> .emacs.el and I'm setting it manually and still when I visit a new >> file, or any of a number of popup buffers arrive, they still have >> illegible font-lock color settings. > What about (global-font-lock-mode -1)? Doesn't appear to be any different than (global-font-lock-mode 0). --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 18:42:36 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2011 23:42:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZXZM-0001D8-1I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:42:36 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZXZK-0001Cy-7d for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:42:34 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEALudIE1Ld/TY/2dsb2JhbACkM3S6AIVKBIRljhs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,265,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="86916986" Received: from 75-119-244-216.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.244.216]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 02 Jan 2011 18:49:38 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 52A3D58DFC; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:49:32 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: "K. Richard Pixley" Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Message-ID: References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 18:49:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> (K. Richard Pixley's message of "Sun, 02 Jan 2011 11:17:33 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) > (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. It should work. So please tell us the cases where it doesn't work, so we can try and figure out where's the problem. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 20:14:25 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 01:14:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZ0D-0003A2-3G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:14:25 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5] helo=sendai.noir.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZYzb-00038X-FL for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:14:23 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5BC91E4027; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 17:20:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D212446.3070405@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:20:06 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 20110102 15:49, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. > It should work. So please tell us the cases where it doesn't work, so > we can try and figure out where's the problem. After starting emacs with "emacs -q", call (global-font-lock-mode 0) by hand, then visit a python file. For me, it is font-locked. When I call (global-font-lock-mode 0) in my .emacs.el, python mode isn't font locked. But if I ever M-x python-shell, then files visited afterward will be font locked, even though global-ton-lock-mode's value is nil. At this point I have to restart emacs in order to see anything. --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 20:17:04 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 01:17:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZ2m-0003EH-9K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:17:04 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5] helo=sendai.noir.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZ2k-0003Dl-CX for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:17:03 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 499D2E4020; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:29:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:29:03 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) On 20110102 15:49, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. > It should work. So please tell us the cases where it doesn't work, so > we can try and figure out where's the problem. M-x compile --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 20:36:47 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 01:36:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZLr-0003ei-16 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:36:47 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5] helo=sendai.noir.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZLp-0003eP-47 for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:36:46 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 92C77E334A; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:27:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:27:55 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) On 20110102 15:49, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. > It should work. So please tell us the cases where it doesn't work, so > we can try and figure out where's the problem. M-x grep --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 20:45:42 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 01:45:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZUT-0003rJ-OB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:45:41 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZUJ-0003qz-Pg for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:45:39 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34280) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZb7-0002ne-Gg; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19745.11233.80938.981356@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 20:52:33 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: emacs X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: yellow X-Ran: Zi[?Z:^6Sg~0jJ?BcQ&l!3mIyc{ar1{-_~OFs0#%jv[Oea4CMZ0MZf7YTh+^xR/"9Y[Mdr X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) merge 3628 7771 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 20:46:45 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 01:46:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZVU-0003tL-Uz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:46:45 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5] helo=sendai.noir.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZVU-0003tB-9G for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:46:44 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26748E4024; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 16:31:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D2118C6.1020603@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:31:02 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) On 20110102 15:49, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. > It should work. So please tell us the cases where it doesn't work, so > we can try and figure out where's the problem. Visit a binary file, the nonprintable ascii is colored. --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 20:47:12 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 01:47:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZVw-0003uH-3u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:47:12 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZVr-0003u3-KW for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:47:11 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36905) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZcf-0002tg-AQ; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:09 -0500 To: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D212446.3070405@noir.com> From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: condor quarter counter intelligence BRLO halcon secure X-Ran: d!wc&BNb%0Tfps=VyEP>z];R^qWZB8BaF/1M.WKhl=6lH8s'"1b@h:#?_4TM&f_4$t$X." X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D212446.3070405@noir.com> (K. Richard Pixley's message of "Sun\, 02 Jan 2011 17\:20\:06 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) "K. Richard Pixley" wrote: > When I call (global-font-lock-mode 0) in my .emacs.el, python mode > isn't font locked. But if I ever M-x python-shell, then files visited > afterward will be font locked, even though global-ton-lock-mode's > value is nil. Dupe of http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3628 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 20:48:17 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 01:48:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZWz-0003vx-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:48:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZWy-0003vk-6S for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:48:16 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36917) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZdm-0002w3-2B; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:55:18 -0500 To: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: SRI oil fraud Operation Iraqi Freedom Serbian ARPA Uzi X-Ran: f`}Xf-M_Z(8/_?w[/\(MTw2a|7|7mo4EiN8`Wm0U9D2s2e1f.k23&RPDs!C&YxvduJ}q^: X-Hue: green X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:55:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> (K. Richard Pixley's message of "Sun\, 02 Jan 2011 16\:29\:03 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) "K. Richard Pixley" wrote: > M-x compile Dupe of http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=801 compile (and grep) require font-lock to work. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 20:54:27 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 01:54:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZcw-00043w-Lr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:26 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZcu-00043l-Se for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:54:25 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56573) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZji-000391-PG; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:01:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19745.11766.328656.536398@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:01:26 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: emacs X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: yellow X-Ran: n*hGn^!x`Y$SC\^MP1BENl!j+q&f\S6&t.4uC40<1 X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) unmerge 7771 stop too general From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 21:01:42 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 02:01:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZjx-0004xP-TL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:01:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZjv-0004xC-Fu for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:01:40 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34341) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZZqj-0003QV-Ei; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 21:08:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19745.12200.982198.454107@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 21:08:40 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally In-Reply-To: References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D212446.3070405@noir.com> X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: yellow X-Ran: \*L9.vEj2Aas%NV_(oBi3e#;69uh$}1lGjf97QPOH^u:]Tt'~'H_?x|V1c\#6*xI#_n*P} X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) Glenn Morris wrote (on Sun, 2 Jan 2011 at 20:54 -0500): > Dupe of http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3628 Well, dupe-ish, perhaps. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 22:14:55 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 03:14:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZasp-0006TY-FB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:14:55 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZasn-0006TM-P7 for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:14:54 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so6256028ewy.3 for <7771@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:21:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=uG6ZsltkOWr3tAgjES9JaNloKuNmOsfx3C4CRINs+Lg=; b=Dt3cZCCwbA/1r8MECqZFLHj35wRlrGR5R87xcwlp1uDxBCta8uqUeJMtCwoauFKlza 8rLeaWcIE51mxGyVGBSc99xZofqACSW7V0QaRAH1hZ72pkNVZI79So3Gz4OCNDgq7drD H8WIlWwzko87qjwnDS01KFl7Xl9oF9IEH576Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=OCvSX6xeCH69dzM9+CGkcd42geRlyxveYh2fvV+5mxrKa22d/MWY4iQtezI4LYPb1f NYBAnHINN6W+sC6TrXefuM6JVDDMwJN9dyeoeeMGgmwQEJZf9WkOQVJO9MJyqG1bFAqT 8vjbn8C3xYvrGv2AKwdxqzBz2DXfC8nWy8XPs= Received: by 10.213.112.146 with SMTP id w18mr15402544ebp.84.1294024918227; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:21:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 19:21:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 04:21:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > "K. Richard Pixley" wrote: > >> M-x compile > > Dupe of http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=801 > > compile (and grep) require font-lock to work. Richard, if you do not like the colors you can of course customize them. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 22:48:51 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 03:48:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZbPf-0007CS-1P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:48:51 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZbPc-0007CC-54; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:48:48 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEACfXIE1Ld/TY/2dsb2JhbACkM3S6NIJ1glUEhGWOGw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,265,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="86924778" Received: from 75-119-244-216.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.244.216]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 02 Jan 2011 22:55:53 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8CC0C6610E; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:55:52 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: "K. Richard Pixley" Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Message-ID: References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:55:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> (K. Richard Pixley's message of "Sun, 02 Jan 2011 16:27:55 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) close 3628 thanks >>> (global-font-lock-mode 0) doesn't seem to work. >> It should work. So please tell us the cases where it doesn't work, so >> we can try and figure out where's the problem. > M-x grep OK, that one is a known problem: compile.el (used for M-x compile and M-x grep) uses font-lock internally, so it forces font-lock to be enabled. > When I call (global-font-lock-mode 0) in my .emacs.el, python mode isn't > font locked. But if I ever M-x python-shell, then files visited afterward > will be font locked, even though global-ton-lock-mode's value is nil. > At this point I have to restart emacs in order to see anything. I'm not sure I understand why you see different results before and after python-shell, but indeed I see that python.el incorrectly forces font-lock-mode to be enabled in emacs-23. I've just installed a patch which should fix it. > Visit a binary file, the nonprintable ascii is colored. This is not controlled by font-lock. IIUC this just unconditionally receives the `escape-glyph' face, so you can only "turn it off" by configuring this face. > M-x compile As mentioned above, this is the same issue as M-x grep. I hope we can fix it for Emacs-24 (by making compile.el use syntax-propertize-function rather than font-lock), but for Emacs-23 the only solution I can offer is to configure the relevant faces so they look the same as default. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 00:27:38 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 05:27:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZcxF-0001X9-Uz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:27:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZcxE-0001Wy-5u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:27:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZd43-0006bW-Tf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:34:41 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:34679) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZd43-0006bQ-PP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:34:39 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38320 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZd42-0005K7-Qz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:34:39 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZd41-0006b6-Qu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:34:38 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:3559 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZd41-0006b2-Mw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:34:37 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAJfuIE1Ld/TY/2dsb2JhbACkNHS6XIVKBIRljhs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,266,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="86927531" Received: from 75-119-244-216.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([75.119.244.216]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Jan 2011 00:34:36 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DEACB6610E; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:34:35 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: "K. Richard Pixley" Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally In-Reply-To: <4D214C43.4010203@noir.com> (K. Richard Pixley's message of "Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:10:43 -0800") Message-ID: References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> <4D214C43.4010203@noir.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:34:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) > It's not a question of preference. I literally cannot discern the > characters on the screen when font lock is on. Here are the known cases for this kind of problem: - Your screen's colors are off-base. Some possible cases are if you're running within an xterm whose color palette is more limited than usual or is somehow different from what Emacs expects. - Emacs mis-identifies your background color and chooses the light-background set of colors rather than the dark-background set (or vice-versa). In this case, customizing frame-background-mode may help. - Your vision is impaired. I assumed you were in the third case, but maybe not. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 00:50:32 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 05:50:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZdJQ-000237-7P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:50:32 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZdJO-00022t-98 for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:50:30 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46632) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZdQC-0004oX-BA; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:57:32 -0500 To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: plutonium broadside chameleon man LLNL Elvis Echelon X-Ran: _(LzCVmZp$qM*GGP+SH2as;YPH|z&[%RcfUvag;)!/G&Lxl`R]AAA!JHZHaO0^sMgO_-x] X-Hue: green X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:57:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun\, 02 Jan 2011 22\:55\:52 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) Stefan Monnier wrote: > python-shell, but indeed I see that python.el incorrectly forces > font-lock-mode to be enabled in emacs-23. I've just installed a patch > which should fix it. You would appear to have fixed bugs 3628 and 4303. (Surely font-lock would not have been turned on unless the mode relied on it for something, as the commentary suggests?) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 00:53:53 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 05:53:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZdMf-00027X-Fp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:53:53 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZdMe-00027N-Rs for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:53:53 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55274) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZdTT-0004x6-5H; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:00:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19745.26134.775919.656344@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 01:00:54 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Monnier , 7771@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally In-Reply-To: References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: yellow X-Ran: ojKP{C|HIUpv[VhwE>!Do&rpy45o`yA#TW0Sdm&t&k4,#?w+b$^q/z@5x`]#r$b9p8rrk6 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) Glenn Morris wrote (on Mon, 3 Jan 2011 at 00:57 -0500): > You would appear to have fixed bugs 3628 and 4303. I guess that's why you closed them; I apparently can't read... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 01:45:31 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 06:45:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeAd-0003EI-Hl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:45:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeAb-0003E7-G7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:45:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeHS-0001n2-At for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:35 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:59830) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeHS-0001mu-2i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:34 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36008 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZeHQ-0005Xv-Ou for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeHP-0001ma-Lb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:32 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5]:50641 helo=sendai.noir.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZeHP-0001mB-Fx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 01:52:31 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E1CDE40FF; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:52:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D21722D.1010701@noir.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:52:29 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> <4D214C43.4010203@noir.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) On 20110102 21:34, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> It's not a question of preference. I literally cannot discern the >> characters on the screen when font lock is on. > Here are the known cases for this kind of problem: > - Your screen's colors are off-base. Some possible cases are if you're > running within an xterm whose color palette is more limited than usual > or is somehow different from what Emacs expects. > - Emacs mis-identifies your background color and chooses the > light-background set of colors rather than the dark-background set > (or vice-versa). > In this case, customizing frame-background-mode may help. > - Your vision is impaired. > > I assumed you were in the third case, but maybe not. I'm probably in both of the last two and also a fourth. I'm still setting emacs colors in Xdefaults having put some time investment into making that work some years ago. It hadn't occurred to me that they might be interacting. The fourth category is cognitive. I am not neuro-typical. Most color schemes just seem annoying to me. Thunderbird's use of color works for me, eg, but M-x grep, M-x compile, and all of the font locked editing modes I've seen do not. Color coding is difficult for me. Numbers are much easier. I'll try to find some time later this week to invest in coming up to speed with what's available now. Maybe I can help. --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 03:06:33 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 08:06:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZfQz-0004vo-7d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:06:32 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZfQx-0004va-2C for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:06:27 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p038DUug003029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:13:32 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p0380ohM032730; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:13:30 GMT Received: from abhmt008.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 923276121294042396; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:13:16 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.63) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:13:16 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Glenn Morris'" , <7771@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> Subject: RE: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:13:03 -0800 Message-ID: <5ED1D4DB7E46421D974A34CD844876E1@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: Acuq7kzx6DJ2jXGBRx66qz7u0OlliQALSv6w X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > compile (and grep) require font-lock to work. They did not used to require font locking. This is a regression, a feature loss, if users are deprived of the Emacs `grep' and `compile' commands if they simply turn off font-locking. The added benefit users get from font-lock should just be a plus, not a requirement. With font-lock turned off we should just not show any font-lock highlighting, nothing more. Font lock was finally turned on by default globally (a change I support strongly). But that should just be the _default_ behavior. Font lock should not be required in order to compile or grep. As the person who first added regexp highlighting to the Emacs `grep' command (my version), I know it is a definite plus. But the implementation of the `grep' and `compile' commands should not _require_ font locking for users to be able to use the commands for their most important purpose. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 03:06:33 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 08:06:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZfR2-0004vx-Tj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:06:33 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZfQy-0004vd-Q7 for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:06:29 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p038DWaL003114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:13:33 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p0380gqB030114; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:13:31 GMT Received: from abhmt008.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 923276151294042397; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:13:17 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.63) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:13:16 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'K. Richard Pixley'" References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> Subject: RE: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:13:05 -0800 Message-ID: <68C4349063B94E989EE809E6B1131C79@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: Acuq/gc8baOHE0kTQdCIQK7fRYIFxgAHseng X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > OK, that one is a known problem: compile.el (used for M-x compile and > M-x grep) uses font-lock internally, so it forces font-lock to > be enabled. Glad to hear it is seen as a bug. (It's a regression, since users lose a feature they had previously: being able to compile or grep without font-locking.) > I hope we can fix it for Emacs-24 (by making compile.el use > syntax-propertize-function rather than font-lock) I too hope it gets fixed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 03:41:40 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 08:41:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZfz2-0005fv-75 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:41:40 -0500 Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZfz0-0005fi-2N for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 03:41:38 -0500 Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so14685216wwj.15 for <7771@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:48:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Jj7j611yBhw0O1rPZW1vu+pISYY49GIKKitMCJxMIco=; b=vyVrJQh/ONKzU2sr6uPVY9dcsMLboiU6CWhyt/oKielnCxYtm1xsqiNVVyunAualwZ rB0VEUsbar6a8KewD07wlgsyVL4yr35pIutSBoDHYOdMXV19QjPTYf3qGHD7Wgx5qi38 Iz21Zznp8ilSdBRM+BTRmmmeLxPiI0OOroq0g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=hy/SOh2vnrMPT9drknU0/y5FpAm9z3E7Bb6KwQmrNp00fLX1lsPrWgs/8oLkQfY97v ZV+URgJW7/zwkmsGclkkLrpZX4ZMvDK9hsW0+1vCc52HJIcOAY+wNl/zRcSyZu2BgTB1 3uguXTmdn3vwlMBts9Q2fQiKdVfOriB4xy/KQ= Received: by 10.227.201.5 with SMTP id ey5mr11374320wbb.182.1294044523322; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from Victoria.local (cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.9.122.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm13928517wbi.18.2011.01.03.00.48.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:48:41 -0800 (PST) From: Leo To: "K. Richard Pixley" Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D210805.4010101@noir.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:48:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4D210805.4010101@noir.com> (K. Richard Pixley's message of "Sun, 02 Jan 2011 15:19:33 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.91 (Mac OS X 10.6.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) On 2011-01-02 23:19 +0000, K. Richard Pixley wrote: > Doesn't appear to be any different than (global-font-lock-mode 0). > > --rich Did you see font locking off when starting Emacs -q? I can see this: http://imgur.com/o6cFv.png HTH, Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 07:57:04 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 12:57:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZjyC-0003Kp-EE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 07:57:04 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZjyA-0003KN-4R for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 07:57:02 -0500 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZk4y-0000v1-Rx; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:04:04 -0500 From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lennart Borgman In-reply-to: (message from Lennart Borgman on Mon, 3 Jan 2011 04:21:38 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:04:04 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) > From: Lennart Borgman > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 04:21:38 +0100 > Cc: 7771@debbugs.gnu.org > > Richard, if you do not like the colors you can of course customize them. Users who want to disable all colors should not be asked to customize all the gazillion faces we have in Emacs. Especially since some faces are not even defined until their package is loaded. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 08:36:24 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 13:36:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZkaG-0004Dc-4y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:36:24 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZkaE-0004DR-D5 for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:36:22 -0500 Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZkh3-0003PX-CW; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:43:25 -0500 From: Eli Zaretskii To: "Drew Adams" In-reply-to: <5ED1D4DB7E46421D974A34CD844876E1@us.oracle.com> (drew.adams@oracle.com) Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> <5ED1D4DB7E46421D974A34CD844876E1@us.oracle.com> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:43:25 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 00:13:03 -0800 > Cc: > > > compile (and grep) require font-lock to work. > > They did not used to require font locking. This is a regression, a feature > loss, if users are deprived of the Emacs `grep' and `compile' commands if they > simply turn off font-locking. Users will not be deprived of anything, I think. The problem is that these features turn font-lock on in the compilation buffer, which is a nuisance (for those who turned it off). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 10:53:53 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 15:53:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZmjI-0007Jb-No for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:53:53 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZmjG-0007JL-AB for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:53:50 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p03G0tWl010107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:00:56 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p03CeRnK024710; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:00:54 GMT Received: from abhmt012.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 894358231294070447; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:00:47 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.216.63) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:00:47 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com><4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> <5ED1D4DB7E46421D974A34CD844876E1@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:34 -0800 Message-ID: <0B9196567CAD40E6997D5EC3BF6386F2@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcurTDXhJDQjMb5DQhyWmXwg6LgEIwAEq37A X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > > > compile (and grep) require font-lock to work. > > > > They did not used to require font locking. This is a > > regression, a feature loss, if users are deprived of the > > Emacs `grep' and `compile' commands if they > > simply turn off font-locking. > > Users will not be deprived of anything, I think. The problem is that > these features turn font-lock on in the compilation buffer, which is a > nuisance (for those who turned it off). Good. But what was said was that "compile (and grep) require font-lock to work". That's what my comment responded to. If that is not true, then users are not deprived of important functionality - they need only turn font-lock back off after it gets turned on automatically in the compilation buffer. Annoying, but in that case we cannot say that grep and compile will not work. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 11:36:04 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 16:36:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZnO8-0008DO-Bw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:36:04 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZnO6-0008Cv-Ia for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:36:03 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so6181325eyd.3 for <7771@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:43:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=B8ssZGSZ99p6Tlg3EB5vlzK9Fxwa392ukpPC8WJJWBM=; b=w6ZeJXDz5uiDeicQJPnAm3L8tbA4w5XD/N2uetmfwEFfugsbViu6+TzzkR+rV42I8s DvcKo8qiozZQKDjsy9EtgW523S+uLVYtzwhIA5G0RvELJXB1dKSXmWjtFb9tgU5qApXb tC5mJuwAGI2g46sHNKBqmh7g8pGhMHevidosk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CSorB5wnwPv5KZpbz5T8HdEjs017285GErJSGlAjweseekaOY/t9ilP3pKhW8gAvDp sKbzFz/ppGOVKAIjy8mDsPbqZvqTuM/B1MxmA1f/5CospzEikqlRQkAHu2B0LuTgznML v5tn3/nHgWx9hE/r5cJiIAO3QcCSl1pKm9Efg= Received: by 10.213.10.75 with SMTP id o11mr564974ebo.71.1294072988479; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 08:43:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:42:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:42:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: "K. Richard Pixley" , 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:55 AM, Stefan Monnier w= rote: > > As mentioned above, this is the same issue as M-x grep. =C2=A0I hope we c= an > fix it for Emacs-24 (by making compile.el use syntax-propertize-function > rather than font-lock), but for Emacs-23 the only solution I can offer > is to configure the relevant faces so they look the same as default. Would it be possible to make a quick fix for needs like those we are discussing here by just allowing font-lock to set a property 'noface instead of face? Or perhaps allow the display engine to bypass the 'face property? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 12:23:43 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 17:23:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZo8E-0000nT-Vz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:23:43 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZo8D-0000nI-1J for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:23:41 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p03HUjgN022299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:30:47 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p03HUhlS026814; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:30:44 GMT Received: from abhmt020.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 924850851294075758; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:29:18 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:29:18 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lennart Borgman'" , "'Stefan Monnier'" References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> Subject: RE: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:29:17 -0800 Message-ID: <91A2BB07ECA24267B7AE453EDA72A90F@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcurZzww1eX5kgArSFmLPOEqIM/mngABD7mw X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: "'K. Richard Pixley'" , 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > Would it be possible to make a quick fix for needs like those we are > discussing here by just allowing font-lock to set a property 'noface > instead of face? Or perhaps allow the display engine to bypass the > 'face property? Eeeoooew! Ugh! cough, cough, hack, gulp, sigh From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 12:25:58 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 17:25:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZoAP-0000qQ-F9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:25:57 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZoAO-0000qG-Br for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:25:56 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so6202715eyd.3 for <7771@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:33:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=wPljcJx+x/g/urmYNbMtci+Gl2UX1p215HBcVq1YZ2g=; b=JGq1BQ/YpRt3Lgycw5JR3IEI34D11r75ewBsBaNvtVfKu4ebw1/CpkJKxc8fPsjNlx LkSEcnugLV9HVINw91ASQHeSq8amRXbCWK+MjbwAQHKENPImA0pQRdms4/R0EFLvIyzT c+Kjl2uXIBsxqSRS0XrKBNkTupGWDhoj4z5pc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=sQ50FOiDBu2wrdP9PEPdhV6MehMgK/CggJax1YKUKzR/8wVwhYToo0xyvAkKqwDbmG XFtw0qpBZnx75K5NF7/Jd7EDkzy16uBvWrrMQ8FWCVyk6t6Qs56fu7km4XxKdhzwabwY 3ZA1xNgyisPFBA/mU5ZS/gRwJP14wlMrKdrb8= Received: by 10.213.28.66 with SMTP id l2mr17194767ebc.71.1294075982698; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:33:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:32:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <91A2BB07ECA24267B7AE453EDA72A90F@us.oracle.com> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <91A2BB07ECA24267B7AE453EDA72A90F@us.oracle.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:32:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: "K. Richard Pixley" , 7771@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:29 PM, Drew Adams wrote: >> Would it be possible to make a quick fix for needs like those we are >> discussing here by just allowing font-lock to set a property 'noface >> instead of face? Or perhaps allow the display engine to bypass the >> 'face property? > > Eeeoooew! Ugh! cough, cough, hack, gulp, sigh What is happening to you? Anything I can do? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 12:34:25 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 17:34:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZoIb-00012m-1t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:34:25 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZoIY-00012Z-Or for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:34:23 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p03HfRgk015201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:41:28 GMT Received: from acsmt355.oracle.com (acsmt355.oracle.com [141.146.40.155]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p03GisDU027025; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:41:26 GMT Received: from abhmt013.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 894662681294076414; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:40:14 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:40:14 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lennart Borgman'" References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <91A2BB07ECA24267B7AE453EDA72A90F@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:40:13 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcurbEc6lUNJsfeZQyeAzkZXw+dDHwAANGxg X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: "'K. Richard Pixley'" , 7771@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Stefan Monnier' X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > > Eeeoooew! Ugh! cough, cough, hack, gulp, sigh > > What is happening to you? Anything I can do? LOL ;-) Good one, Lennart. I'll take a deep breath. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 12:54:45 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 17:54:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZocH-0001UL-Kg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:54:45 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZocE-0001U8-MW for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:54:44 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEG00600KQAJ200@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:01:49 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.127.157]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEG004TQKQZGNG0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:01:49 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:01:48 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally In-reply-to: <0B9196567CAD40E6997D5EC3BF6386F2@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83lj31oohf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> <5ED1D4DB7E46421D974A34CD844876E1@us.oracle.com> <0B9196567CAD40E6997D5EC3BF6386F2@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , <7771@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:00:34 -0800 > > > Users will not be deprived of anything, I think. The problem is that > > these features turn font-lock on in the compilation buffer, which is a > > nuisance (for those who turned it off). > > Good. But what was said was that "compile (and grep) require font-lock to > work". That's what my comment responded to. I understand, but I think the original comment was slightly inaccurate. I think a more accurate statement would be "compilation-mode needs font-lock to be turned on for its functionality, so it turns it on unconditionally in the compilation buffer." Here's the code from compilation-setup: (set (make-local-variable 'font-lock-support-mode) nil) (set (make-local-variable 'font-lock-maximum-size) nil) (if minor (let ((fld font-lock-defaults)) (font-lock-add-keywords nil (compilation-mode-font-lock-keywords)) (if font-lock-mode (if fld (font-lock-fontify-buffer) (font-lock-change-mode) (turn-on-font-lock)) (turn-on-font-lock))) (setq font-lock-defaults '(compilation-mode-font-lock-keywords t)) ;; maybe defer font-lock till after derived mode is set up (run-mode-hooks 'compilation-turn-on-font-lock))) and compilation-turn-on-font-lock is defined like this: (defconst compilation-turn-on-font-lock 'turn-on-font-lock) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 13:03:50 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 18:03:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZol3-0001hF-Rv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:03:50 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZol1-0001h3-Tc for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:03:48 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p03IApY8013492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:10:52 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p03HlpmW012459; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:10:51 GMT Received: from abhmt006.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 894746591294078187; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:09:47 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:09:47 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> <5ED1D4DB7E46421D974A34CD844876E1@us.oracle.com> <0B9196567CAD40E6997D5EC3BF6386F2@us.oracle.com> <83lj31oohf.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:09:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4C760946F17F43D89714F2FD03AF2D22@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <83lj31oohf.fsf@gnu.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcurcE5jx/Wrvw0GTuquDMNUUkUHJQAAJ3jA X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > I think a more accurate statement would be > "compilation-mode needs font-lock to be turned on for its > functionality, so it turns it on unconditionally in the compilation > buffer." Maybe that is more accurate, but the point of the thread is that compilation-mode should _not_ "need font-lock to be turned on for its functionality". That was my point, anyway. "Its functionality", at least its real raison d'etre, does not include highlighting. Highlighting is a nice-to-have (or not, depending on one's preference). It is not part of the core functionality. But I think we all more or less agree that this should be fixed (as soon as it can be). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 13:19:57 2011 Received: (at 7771) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 18:19:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZp0f-00022W-9N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:19:57 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZp0c-00022J-V2 for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:19:55 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEG00K00L8XZE00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 7771@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:26:52 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.127.157]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEG00K1DLWPGHC0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:26:51 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:26:50 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally In-reply-to: <4C760946F17F43D89714F2FD03AF2D22@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83hbdponbp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21184F.2040303@noir.com> <5ED1D4DB7E46421D974A34CD844876E1@us.oracle.com> <0B9196567CAD40E6997D5EC3BF6386F2@us.oracle.com> <83lj31oohf.fsf@gnu.org> <4C760946F17F43D89714F2FD03AF2D22@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 7771@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: , <7771@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 10:09:47 -0800 > > > I think a more accurate statement would be > > "compilation-mode needs font-lock to be turned on for its > > functionality, so it turns it on unconditionally in the compilation > > buffer." > > Maybe that is more accurate, but the point of the thread is that > compilation-mode should _not_ "need font-lock to be turned on for its > functionality". I agree. I just wanted to point out that users who turn font-lock off will not have M-x compile broken. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 14:46:27 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 19:46:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqMN-0003rX-2W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:46:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqML-0003rM-V5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:46:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqTE-00080Z-He for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:53:33 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:40354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqTE-00080V-Fn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:53:32 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46176 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZqTD-0001Sc-L2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:53:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqTC-00080G-AW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:53:31 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:63604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqTB-0007zd-LR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:53:30 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEG00700PVXKI00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:52:57 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.127.157]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEG006D2PW7EOA0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:52:56 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:52:55 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally In-reply-to: <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: "K. Richard Pixley" Message-id: <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > From: "K. Richard Pixley" > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:40:19 -0800 > > I believe that the fix needs to occur at a meta level to font lock. What do you mean by "meta level to font lock"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 15:22:13 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 20:22:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZquz-0004dK-4q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:22:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZqux-0004d8-EX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:22:11 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZr1p-0006aM-O5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:29:18 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:49952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZr1p-0006aD-Lp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:29:17 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47491 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZr1o-0007XG-KZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:29:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZr1n-0006Zm-EP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:29:16 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5]:35878 helo=sendai.noir.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZr1n-0006ZI-8n; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:29:15 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4A821E0152; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:29:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D223199.2070307@noir.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:29:13 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) On 20110103 11:52, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: "K. Richard Pixley" >> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:40:19 -0800 >> >> I believe that the fix needs to occur at a meta level to font lock. > What do you mean by "meta level to font lock"? I mean that the mechanism for allowing or barring font lock apparently can't be part of the font lock subsystem. It appears as though it will need to be outside the font-lock system in order to _gate_ the font lock system. It appears as though people may be erroneously conflating font-lock modes with syntactic meaning of the underlying text and keying off font-lock values rather than the syntactic meanings. This leads to the erroneous programmer impression that font-lock is a necessary prerequisite for their code, so they force it on. Perhaps this is just an iteration of the "better lock, better lockpick, better lock, better lockpick" escalation cycle. Perhaps there's another way to solve this problem without resorting to an escalation. But as emacs is currently regressing, (can't use major modes that used to be available), it appears as though we are in dire need of a quick fix before emacs regresses to a point of complete inutility. Either that, or we need to back off some recent changes and return to the code that worked. --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 15:34:43 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 20:34:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZr74-0004uD-RT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:34:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZr72-0004u0-BO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:34:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrDu-0000x2-KB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:41:47 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:44933) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrDh-0000sr-Np for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:41:46 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47832 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZrDS-0000l0-EX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:41:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrDL-0000qf-Vp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:41:12 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:38033) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrDL-0000qX-Or for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:41:11 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEG00L00RM3HT00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:39:38 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.127.157]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEG00LCBS1TFQ30@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:39:31 +0200 (IST) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:39:30 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally In-reply-to: <4D223199.2070307@noir.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: "K. Richard Pixley" Message-id: <83aajhoh6l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> <4D223199.2070307@noir.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:29:13 -0800 > From: "K. Richard Pixley" > CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > On 20110103 11:52, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> From: "K. Richard Pixley" > >> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:40:19 -0800 > >> > >> I believe that the fix needs to occur at a meta level to font lock. > > What do you mean by "meta level to font lock"? > I mean that the mechanism for allowing or barring font lock apparently > can't be part of the font lock subsystem. It appears as though it will > need to be outside the font-lock system in order to _gate_ the font lock > system. That's what Lennart was proposing, AFAIU. Btw, do you dislike _all_ colored text in Emacs, or only font-lock? There are faces Emacs uses that are not related to font-lock at all, like the "buttons" in *Help* buffers, the minibuffer prompts, the special face for the part of file-name you type in the minibuffer that will be ignored because it is before the "//", etc. Then there are colors not related to text, e.g. the fringes. Do you want a feature to turn all of those off, or just the font-lock faces? > It appears as though people may be erroneously conflating font-lock > modes with syntactic meaning of the underlying text and keying off > font-lock values rather than the syntactic meanings. This leads to the > erroneous programmer impression that font-lock is a necessary > prerequisite for their code, so they force it on. You are entitled to your opinions, but to me syntax-sensitive colors are an important feature because they show me my mistakes before they hit the compiler. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 15:55:57 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 20:55:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrRc-0005Os-PE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:55:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrRa-0005Od-C2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:55:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrYS-0005Xq-No for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:03:01 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:36685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrYS-0005Xh-Kg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:03:00 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40524 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZrYR-0005vO-Cy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:03:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrYO-0005X6-Rm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:02:59 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:46094) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrYO-0005Wj-KR; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:02:56 -0500 Received: by ewy27 with SMTP id 27so7025576ewy.0 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:02:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HbxIUo5abCZJMuDA/oYR596YBiAGb3e0EPNS+3Tgzpk=; b=MT4/zHDYGa9rnqSvTRgyr9RBzAF5ptQSw/kx4frWV1kXR6YeKMtkTcbEBi8+dboHe4 uZGUjmFi/VVfx3QBqQrMWdRFPBeJBMupAy1eHzv+P4o3gMm+oiC4SRPyl0LkrUYDoRhW Jn3Xi6x36+rjaKYsljpiaJBEvUvjMAPG3h1XY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TVF/XO4NKUMxeoYTfBHJDr94e/NUEF1Zeai1vNSpuqBoXiQOxgHv0GAFoKveOiD266 +3XaSIRaDQd7HgFvwt5kH/iyD4xum3UFCZgl+AKH/45K93mcrFT/z51gbp3oyFHqqh/5 4eJ2gOOG6zN6ExxOkuRGFT5V2KHYZw0v1H5Lc= Received: by 10.213.10.75 with SMTP id o11mr734743ebo.71.1294088575548; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:02:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:02:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83aajhoh6l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> <4D223199.2070307@noir.com> <83aajhoh6l.fsf@gnu.org> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:02:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: "K. Richard Pixley" , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 12:29:13 -0800 >> From: "K. Richard Pixley" >> CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org >> >> On 20110103 11:52, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> From: "K. Richard Pixley" >> >> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:40:19 -0800 >> >> >> >> I believe that the fix needs to occur at a meta level to font lock. >> > What do you mean by "meta level to font lock"? >> I mean that the mechanism for allowing or barring font lock apparently >> can't be part of the font lock subsystem. =C2=A0It appears as though it = will >> need to be outside the font-lock system in order to _gate_ the font lock >> system. > > That's what Lennart was proposing, AFAIU. > > Btw, do you dislike _all_ colored text in Emacs, or only font-lock? > There are faces Emacs uses that are not related to font-lock at all, > like the "buttons" in *Help* buffers, the minibuffer prompts, the > special face for the part of file-name you type in the minibuffer that > will be ignored because it is before the "//", etc. =C2=A0Then there are > colors not related to text, e.g. the fringes. =C2=A0Do you want a feature > to turn all of those off, or just the font-lock faces? Regarding my proposal: Eli, your question is good, just adding a point. I would expect it to be only face colors that are the problem, but I am not sure. Richard? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 16:23:49 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 21:23:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrsb-00060F-3H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:23:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrsZ-000601-7h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:23:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrzR-0001dz-HJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:30:54 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:50213) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrzR-0001dv-F2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:30:53 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59690 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZrzQ-00065X-6w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:30:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrzN-0001cu-Uu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:30:52 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5]:58259 helo=sendai.noir.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZrzN-0001cJ-OY; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:30:49 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 61196E0835; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 13:30:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D224008.3080503@noir.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:30:48 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> <4D223199.2070307@noir.com> <83aajhoh6l.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Eli Zaretskii , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) On 20110103 13:02, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:39 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Btw, do you dislike _all_ colored text in Emacs, or only font-lock? >> There are faces Emacs uses that are not related to font-lock at all, >> like the "buttons" in *Help* buffers, the minibuffer prompts, the >> special face for the part of file-name you type in the minibuffer that >> will be ignored because it is before the "//", etc. Then there are >> colors not related to text, e.g. the fringes. Do you want a feature >> to turn all of those off, or just the font-lock faces? >> Regarding my proposal: Eli, your question is good, just adding a >> point. I would expect it to be only face colors that are the problem, >> but I am not sure. Richard? For me, it's gratuitous use of color, (the effect is not unlike a mix of sTudLy CAps with i VIs Ch cTe ), and non-contrasting colors, (of which there are more for some people than others). The buttons I've seen in the last two days had no color difference from the rest of the text in the popup. The minibuffer prompts, as I recall, appear to be dimmed, not colored, (although that may just be clever use of color), and largely remove bits of no interest anyway. (Didn't the minibuffer used to clear on "//" rather than even showing the previous text?). I have no complaint or problem with dimmed or bolded. Dimmed certainly could become illegible if it were sufficiently dim, but it seems to be fine in most cases. Unlike, say, dim yellow text on off white background which is essentially invisible. Or red on green background or yellow on blue, (or vice verse), which are completely invisible. Most programmers aren't color experts. They just slap up what seem like contrasting colors to them without much thought to subjective experience, (color blindness, cognitive variance, environmental factors like X11 themeing), color set themeing, look-and-feel coordination, pleasing presentation, etc. Thunderbird uses color and I find their use of color constructive. It's low/no contrast color and "bad" use of color to which I object, (and 95% of color uses are "bad", ime). I want the "bad" color to go away. And that seems to be primarily font-lock uses. --rich ps, for those who don't get it yet, my first sentence above was intended to mimic low/no contrast "studly caps with invisible characters". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 16:57:57 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 21:57:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsPc-0006lZ-Ou for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:57:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsPb-0006lL-B4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 16:57:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsWT-0008Bp-Q8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:05:02 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:51592) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsWT-0008Bg-NV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:05:01 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51625 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZsWS-0000JC-PZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:05:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsWR-0008Ab-AP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:05:00 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:62955) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsWQ-0008AX-VO; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:04:59 -0500 Received: by eyh6 with SMTP id 6so3027290eyh.0 for ; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:04:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BICE7Ih9JGmm6/Sh7vmp5cuUAkzHPD98R1/vO6IlD6s=; b=toH9R7efaFXUk9LgJ/8rFuwKk4t2phkzyZi4AB7ib8VGGGw3Jdim5sRcbsMFIgKwb9 4k6krYhQjIY3eAUAynMP0Zs0CmMTbzQFqrh10BxrsXS3NecL60FAdlsbdhvL7cCPUQeL 7zm4kjPvAoSRuFV7KqwyZCBtsScfLwqbrd8go= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gg4PgcQOU4hT1UMFtP9U/ZbRDXb2w/8Cw3R3zPtDTvfC2rI1u0T2g83xzuuCeSfQxC u5jBwE+/m2baLNayUywprixSkUP4i5WVhwn5O92sExnvor0K/aeVN+LjITcr8d0IlzUO FPqURiShXS3Jux+5gdERwbG1JHhtfCw3grJPQ= Received: by 10.213.10.75 with SMTP id o11mr775553ebo.71.1294092298009; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:04:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:04:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D224008.3080503@noir.com> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> <4D223199.2070307@noir.com> <83aajhoh6l.fsf@gnu.org> <4D224008.3080503@noir.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 23:04:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally To: "K. Richard Pixley" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Eli Zaretskii , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM, K. Richard Pixley wrote: > On 20110103 13:02, Lennart Borgman wrote: >> > I have no complaint or problem with dimmed or bolded. =C2=A0Dimmed certai= nly > could become illegible if it were sufficiently dim, but it seems to be fi= ne > in most cases. =C2=A0Unlike, say, dim yellow text on off white background= which > is essentially invisible. =C2=A0Or red on green background or yellow on b= lue, (or > vice verse), which are completely invisible. > > Most programmers aren't color experts. =C2=A0They just slap up what seem = like > contrasting colors to them without much thought to subjective experience, > (color blindness, cognitive variance, environmental factors like X11 > themeing), color set themeing, look-and-feel coordination, pleasing > presentation, etc. > > Thunderbird uses color and I find their use of color constructive. > > It's low/no contrast color and "bad" use of color to which I object, (and > 95% of color uses are "bad", ime). > > I want the "bad" color to go away. =C2=A0And that seems to be primarily f= ont-lock > uses. Then perhaps the best solution would rather be a color theme adjusted to your needs? I mean in case that is possible to figure out on a more general level. Since you say that thunderbird seems to have done that it looks possible to me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 17:07:23 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2011 22:07:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsYl-0006yK-Bf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:07:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsYj-0006y9-9u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:07:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsfb-0001BB-M0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:56018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsfb-0001B5-IM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:27 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42137 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZsfa-0004A9-CV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsfY-00017X-Ak for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:26 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5]:56982 helo=sendai.noir.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZsfY-00017D-4b; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:14:24 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DDAC0E0152; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:14:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D224A3E.9030805@noir.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:14:22 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D221813.9000600@noir.com> <83d3odojc8.fsf@gnu.org> <4D223199.2070307@noir.com> <83aajhoh6l.fsf@gnu.org> <4D224008.3080503@noir.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Eli Zaretskii , bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) On 20110103 14:04, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:30 PM, K. Richard Pixley wrote: >> On 20110103 13:02, Lennart Borgman wrote: >> I have no complaint or problem with dimmed or bolded. Dimmed certainly >> could become illegible if it were sufficiently dim, but it seems to be fine >> in most cases. Unlike, say, dim yellow text on off white background which >> is essentially invisible. Or red on green background or yellow on blue, (or >> vice verse), which are completely invisible. >> >> Most programmers aren't color experts. They just slap up what seem like >> contrasting colors to them without much thought to subjective experience, >> (color blindness, cognitive variance, environmental factors like X11 >> themeing), color set themeing, look-and-feel coordination, pleasing >> presentation, etc. >> >> Thunderbird uses color and I find their use of color constructive. >> >> It's low/no contrast color and "bad" use of color to which I object, (and >> 95% of color uses are "bad", ime). >> >> I want the "bad" color to go away. And that seems to be primarily font-lock >> uses. > Then perhaps the best solution would rather be a color theme adjusted > to your needs? I mean in case that is possible to figure out on a more > general level. Since you say that thunderbird seems to have done that > it looks possible to me. Part of my point here is that creating a color theme that is sufficiently general is beyond the scope of most programmers. Making "bad" color the default is a poor choice if it can be turned off but it's a horrendous choice if it cannot. Certainly, a professionally color themed emacs by a color expert might be a better choice. However, most of us are programmers, not color experts. Turning the functionality off should be within our scope while creating expert color themes probably isn't. I mean no offense to anyone in particular, but even if we held a contest for best color theme, selected the top dozen or so to go into emacs as available alternatives, there would still be people who didn't like any of the available options or who simply don't like color coding. For them, the best UI would be an option to "turn color coding off" rather than to create a set of monochrome color themes. --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 22:58:23 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2011 03:58:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZy2Q-00064D-VJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:58:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZy2O-000642-Qt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 22:58:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZy9I-0001Uz-4H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:05:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:38858) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZy9I-0001Uv-1u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:05:28 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=40775 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZy9H-0001Sg-5e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:05:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZy9F-0001UF-9E for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:05:26 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:36297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZy9F-0001Th-0i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:05:25 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LEH00M00CJBZ500@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:05:23 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.127.157]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LEH00M2TCOYSC80@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:05:23 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 06:05:23 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally In-reply-to: <4D224C52.8050200@noir.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: "K. Richard Pixley" Message-id: <834o9pnwjg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D224C52.8050200@noir.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) > From: "K. Richard Pixley" > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:23:14 -0800 > > What I'm doing manually is cursing a bit, then switching buffers and > manually typing (global-font-lock-mode 0) to make these popups visible. > I wonder if we couldn't automate that process? (Excepting, perhaps > the cursing.) > > Would it make sense to push the current value of global-font-lock-mode, > run the rest of what these guys do, then restore the value of > global-font-lock-mode afterwards? That is, wrap them in a sort of > context manager? What does global-font-lock-mode have to do with this? Compilation mode only turns on font-lock in the current buffer, normally the compilation buffer. So just turning it off in that buffer (with "M-x font-lock-mode RET") should be enough. Or am I missing something? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 23:14:17 2011 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2011 04:14:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZyHp-0006PC-Bf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:14:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZyHo-0006P2-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:14:16 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZyOh-00044r-DG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:21:24 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:40242) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZyOh-00044n-BA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:21:23 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58582 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZyOg-0006FL-EM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:21:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZyOf-00044J-F0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:21:22 -0500 Received: from m209-5.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.209.5]:55339 helo=sendai.noir.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZyOf-000443-3E; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:21:21 -0500 Received: from ono.noir.com (ono.noir.com [192.168.1.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sendai.noir.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6F9CE0152; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:21:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D22A03F.5060209@noir.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 20:21:19 -0800 From: "K. Richard Pixley" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7771: 23.1; can't turn off font-lock-mode globally References: <4D20CF4D.9010403@noir.com> <4D21180B.3050505@noir.com> <4D224C52.8050200@noir.com> <834o9pnwjg.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <834o9pnwjg.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) On 20110103 20:05, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: "K. Richard Pixley" >> Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:23:14 -0800 >> >> What I'm doing manually is cursing a bit, then switching buffers and >> manually typing (global-font-lock-mode 0) to make these popups visible. >> I wonder if we couldn't automate that process? (Excepting, perhaps >> the cursing.) >> >> Would it make sense to push the current value of global-font-lock-mode, >> run the rest of what these guys do, then restore the value of >> global-font-lock-mode afterwards? That is, wrap them in a sort of >> context manager? > What does global-font-lock-mode have to do with this? Compilation > mode only turns on font-lock in the current buffer, normally the > compilation buffer. So just turning it off in that buffer (with > "M-x font-lock-mode RET") should be enough. Or am I missing > something? That's probably sufficient. I'm using being emphatic while I'm cursing and somehow global seems more emphatic than local. --rich From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 28 17:12:03 2011 Received: (at 7771-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jan 2011 22:12:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PiwXy-000618-WF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:12:03 -0500 Received: from tomts5.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.25] helo=tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PiwXw-00060W-Qa; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:12:01 -0500 Received: from toip4.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.87]) by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20110128222000.XPPX18540.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip4.srvr.bell.ca>; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:20:00 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAJPNQk1GHv6P/2dsb2JhbAClA3O7DIVPBIUYim4 Received: from unknown (HELO ceviche.home) ([70.30.254.143]) by toip4.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 28 Jan 2011 17:20:00 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7B6AB660DC; Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:19:56 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: 801-done@debbugs.gnu.org, 7771-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: compile.el and font-lock Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:19:56 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7771-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) I've just pushed a change which makes M-x compile and M-x grep work without forcing font-lock to be enabled. They also make the error-parsing lazier, so it may be faster in some cases (tho probably slower in others as well: speed was not the main focus of my coding). Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:26:23 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator