From unknown Sun Jun 15 07:53:19 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#7761 <7761@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#7761 <7761@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: The NS port is still 11 times slower than normal Reply-To: bug#7761 <7761@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2025 14:53:19 +0000 retitle 7761 The NS port is still 11 times slower than normal reassign 7761 emacs,ns submitter 7761 Leo severity 7761 wishlist tag 7761 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 30 04:58:48 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2010 09:58:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYFHT-0002Yv-T4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:58:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYFHQ-0002Yk-Mh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 04:58:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PYFO7-0000Av-6z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:05:40 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:44948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PYFO7-0000Ar-4y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:05:39 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=49591 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PYFO5-00010R-9j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:05:39 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PYFO3-0000AS-LC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:05:37 -0500 Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:35781) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PYFO3-0000AF-Fn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:05:35 -0500 Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYFO1-0005w6-G0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:05:33 +0100 Received: from cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.9.122.85]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:05:33 +0100 Received: from sdl.web by cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:05:33 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Leo Subject: The NS port is still 11 times slower than normal Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:05:22 +0000 Lines: 25 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAG1BMVEUAAAA9Cgm3Hx1WWFWA gn+WmJWsrqv4+vcCAwCRl2MkAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAAFiS0dEAIgFHUgAAAAJcEhZcwAAAYoA AAGKATOXMFgAAAAHdElNRQfXAQwDNR+ZJmElAAABIklEQVQoz22SPW+DQAyGWUq65qasd9PNUSX4 AZHK2C1rJy5jpDS4IwRVup9dn7GNafpKIPPgzztXFSujqq1eM2n8h22oMkvxI/i9C97kRfMRUN55 dS3BrsAwBXUtMLAO4lryh8kTjOxKpQNniNxAgZOEe4bZwsDTFhKdqZRLNII4OQNHhEuq/RMkm6Cj TnnEA/fk0BorcYn5qA3oaeAxbaBOLrX+9G48NZ2Fzc2tzDM8Q+tMypEOqYHh8mAWaaK3U/cDMOT5 aMZMABgPXc7zPMs1A8DXO756GFJ/4fMEq47hTsAdn5avoxZ4ywl0c2w4Flu2Ybeyb3S+EqxX2DYA H8veJGEDTnHnrXvRaPyt+2kSfK6rfBZ2tUtfP/mR+pR6sX8BUZ/cDV7tvkoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.91 (Mac OS X 10.6.5) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LXiPEqF7PKIMb2+RZ2QtE1mS4V8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Hi all, There are numerous bug reports on the issues of NS port, in particular the performance degradation after turning flyspell on. I did a build of the NS port from trunk two days ago. And I tried flyspell-buffer on the about page (C-h C-a). And it was about 11 times slower than a same run on other terminals (X11, tty, Mac) etc. Some of the reports are as old as two years ago. There seems little hope it will shape up in the foreseeable future. I have been told even as it stands today it is already much improved. Meanwhile, we have a better alternative (the macport¹) that provides comparable feature set as in GNU/Linux and without any compromise in performance. I wonder if macport should be merged? Thanks. Leo Footnotes: ¹ ftp://ftp.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp/emacs From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 30 06:30:05 2010 Received: (at 7761) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2010 11:30:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYGhp-0004U7-Fr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:30:05 -0500 Received: from smtprelay-h22.telenor.se ([195.54.99.197]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYGhn-0004T3-FT for 7761@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:30:04 -0500 Received: from ipb1.telenor.se (ipb1.telenor.se [195.54.127.164]) by smtprelay-h22.telenor.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64677E8EA2 for <7761@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:36:58 +0100 (CET) X-SENDER-IP: [85.225.45.100] X-LISTENER: [smtp.bredband.net] X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar86AKr9G01V4S1kPGdsb2JhbACIPJt9DAEBAQE1L78phUoEjiE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,249,1291590000"; d="scan'208";a="162751900" Received: from c-642de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.100]) by ipb1.telenor.se with ESMTP; 30 Dec 2010 12:36:57 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.13] (zeplin [172.20.199.13]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DF927FA05A; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:36:57 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D1C6ED9.6030600@swipnet.se> Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:36:57 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101129 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leo Subject: Re: bug#7761: The NS port is still 11 times slower than normal References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7761 Cc: 7761@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) A way to reproduce starting from -Q would be more helpful if this is to b= e=20 fixed. Enumerating the missing future set in the current port is also=20 helpful, sweeping statements is not. I don't think switching is an option, the macport doesn't seem to be base= d on=20 emacs 24 yet. Jan D. Leo skrev 2010-12-30 11.05: > Hi all, > > There are numerous bug reports on the issues of NS port, in particular > the performance degradation after turning flyspell on. > > I did a build of the NS port from trunk two days ago. And I tried > flyspell-buffer on the about page (C-h C-a). And it was about 11 times > slower than a same run on other terminals (X11, tty, Mac) etc. > > Some of the reports are as old as two years ago. There seems little hop= e > it will shape up in the foreseeable future. I have been told even as it > stands today it is already much improved. > > Meanwhile, we have a better alternative (the macport=B9) that provides > comparable feature set as in GNU/Linux and without any compromise in > performance. > > I wonder if macport should be merged? > > Thanks. > > Leo > > Footnotes: > =B9 ftp://ftp.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp/emacs > > > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 30 07:34:22 2010 Received: (at 7761) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2010 12:34:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYHi2-0006aL-Dz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:34:22 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYHi1-0006a8-2a for 7761@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:34:21 -0500 Received: from furball (bb220-255-229-62.singnet.com.sg [220.255.229.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oBUCfEpj015563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:41:16 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D57B161DAA; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:41:12 +0800 (SGT) From: Chong Yidong To: Leo Subject: Re: bug#7761: The NS port is still 11 times slower than normal References: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:41:12 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:05:22 +0000") Message-ID: <87r5cza0wn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7761 Cc: 7761@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Leo writes: > Some of the reports are as old as two years ago. There seems little hope > it will shape up in the foreseeable future. I have been told even as it > stands today it is already much improved. > > I wonder if macport should be merged? Or, use the same time and effort to fix the bugs in the NS port. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 30 07:35:16 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Dec 2010 12:35:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYHiu-0006bi-KY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:35:16 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.146]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYHit-0006bW-Bo for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:35:15 -0500 Received: from furball (bb220-255-229-62.singnet.com.sg [220.255.229.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-05.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oBUCg85A031075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 07:42:10 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 65F43161DAA; Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:42:07 +0800 (SGT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: severity 7761 wishlist Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:42:07 +0800 Message-ID: <87mxnna0v4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.146 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) severity 7761 wishlist tags 7761 + wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 31 05:19:49 2010 Received: (at 7761) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Dec 2010 10:19:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYc5N-0002qF-Do for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:19:49 -0500 Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com ([74.125.82.46]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PYc5L-0002q2-8I for 7761@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 05:19:48 -0500 Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so13024281wwj.15 for <7761@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:26:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/ep7flRK7Ey/WyBFsQnEZ+SxBllWyyv+AvKnLVXJuvE=; b=RubzBcaB+yRA112SZTsT6lOzcs6hWl3TypCwRsBxvx4ayFTNNBtGtz6WHdzVwBtw9P 6Y0u2crScTlvNqrA3/knV1PYDM5t8I5+cygLkZnBUqELJKHMrUjeCG6yX0s0Q6p2WsP1 RsG3HfC8yjjAZP1lbOEW9DJTT4TTyWF9TaUK0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XF/NLhLAcHW7uBS3rTuygKt43of2ZTveR2GR3w7W3FcBAAubQGC1osxT/Px8SURfAu /RQP3tmQMGc7DvDJSSTlwZiDYNQ/KiF8U9h9lDOU9VmQb7k2xFZzaM+pqus4KSbeLaWk QTJ2b6zbg9kCKhFI9lHHHOILFqLDBnKmG+q2Q= Received: by 10.216.173.75 with SMTP id u53mr3608264wel.79.1293791204631; Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from Victoria.local (cpc1-cmbg13-0-0-cust596.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com [86.9.122.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n18sm8179793wee.40.2010.12.31.02.26.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:26:42 -0800 (PST) From: Leo To: Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv?= Subject: Re: bug#7761: The NS port is still 11 times slower than normal References: <4D1C6ED9.6030600@swipnet.se> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:26:40 +0000 In-Reply-To: <4D1C6ED9.6030600@swipnet.se> ("Jan =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dj=E4rv=22?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?'s?= message of "Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:36:57 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2.91 (Mac OS X 10.6.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7761 Cc: 7761@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.6 (----) Sorry I was going to send this to the devel list. On 2010-12-30 11:36 +0000, Jan Dj=E4rv wrote: > A way to reproduce starting from -Q would be more helpful if this is > to be fixed. Enumerating the missing future set in the current port > is also helpful, sweeping statements is not. Could you reproduce it by: 1. C-h C-a 2. M-x flyspell-buffer I could see the point moving slowly from word to word. A similar run on tty or X11 would be nearly instant. Sorry I cannot try it again since I have already deleted the build. It associates tons of files with Emacs and deleting is the only way I know that could quickly remove the associations. I haven't been using the NS port for over 15 months. I can't remember what is missing. But I remember it gave me enough reasons to build a patched emacs from source for the very first time on OSX. But the author of macport has detailed its features here: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/124489 Hope this useful. > I don't think switching is an option, the macport doesn't seem to be > based on emacs 24 yet. I think merging it isn't too difficult. Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 09 15:05:56 2011 Received: (at 7761-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2011 19:05:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfcqi-0001O1-58 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:05:56 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfcqg-0001Np-SI for 7761-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:05:55 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50712) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfcqb-0007ZH-HH; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:05:49 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 7761-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7761: The NS port is still 11 times slower than normal References: <4D1C6ED9.6030600@swipnet.se> X-Spook: gamma Capricorn CESID Plame Treasury analyzer Iran Cocaine X-Ran: ,)WU=[DZl"qb/JF%BDp=zm3b*?Hy\*oU;,s:B0OTVUtVsUmu%6LgWBh`i?d1T=pL7l3PLq X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 15:05:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Fri, 31 Dec 2010 10:26:40 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7761-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) I don't see a need to keep open this particular report, which was marked "wontfix" some time ago. This is a very general report. It is better to focus on specific issues in separate reports and try and fix them (for example, #2056). From unknown Sun Jun 15 07:53:19 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:24:15 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator