From unknown Tue Jun 24 22:35:33 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#7747 <7747@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#7747 <7747@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Allow choice of "default in M-n" vs "default in `initial'" Reply-To: bug#7747 <7747@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2025 05:35:33 +0000 retitle 7747 Allow choice of "default in M-n" vs "default in `initial'" reassign 7747 emacs submitter 7747 Lennart Borgman severity 7747 wishlist tag 7747 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 19:35:27 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2010 00:35:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXNXC-0007wv-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:35:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXNXB-0007wk-2M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:35:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PXNdl-0006RV-Gy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:42:14 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RFC_ABUSE_POST,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:33567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PXNdl-0006RR-F4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:42:13 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50107 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PXNdk-0007VF-GU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:42:13 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PXNdj-0006RF-KD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:42:12 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:42045) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PXNdj-0006RA-FU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:42:11 -0500 Received: by eyh6 with SMTP id 6so1229018eyh.0 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:42:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=0+ZRFDRKDd0Y+fKgKimfE6ZD2CHaOoQQ6rDE2h7gOXY=; b=hHBzz8MKKttLWoKfo8M710f4r7EaCN+/wWKkTAxAgaMWnBeuw4wrbWlZ7ZH6c1fE9D svtYjNkc3l1PsSDii7fqKGJXTfpttlgsSahCGMq5zX9iyk4ty3D9EZ/yo4IUj/9dlCgJ oytiO1R1x/y+Q442VZFOEVJ2h/Hhv95yvPnCs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=Dm79lVoGiqnYYEQgr/cVuN2el3lxEK8BogzkkJvYSGzrd+FrcC7BZ8Itn50bsug68O cRHggj4ZngMs0fjzGXIIxIlxbCOl/BdtRW+P0b62y3FcsxIO78Owl7WNC3rtcfX2wSlW 1zQyON4OwXPTZ4NaYc3sJ2HvKCD0rnU4MJYeQ= Received: by 10.213.112.146 with SMTP id w18mr10298283ebp.84.1293496930437; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:42:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Lennart Borgman Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 01:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file To: Emacs Bugs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) The prompt for `rename-file' does not currently show the old file name thought it is in the history for the prompt. This is probably confusing for new users of the command. Wouldn't it be better if the prompt should the current file name at init? (This would be rather similar to what for example Windows Explorer does when are renaming a file. And I guess this is common to must GUI:s.) GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-12-15 on LENNART-69DE564 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 19:54:46 2010 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2010 00:54:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXNpu-0008R1-6l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:54:46 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXNps-0008Qm-Iu for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 19:54:45 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id oBS11WRQ013067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 28 Dec 2010 01:01:33 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id oBS0OdOw024942; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 01:01:31 GMT Received: from abhmt016.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 909392721293498049; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:00:49 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.240.115) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:00:48 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lennart Borgman'" , <7747@debbugs.gnu.org> References: Subject: RE: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:00:47 -0800 Message-ID: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: AcumKaOrbiq2upyLTlSS+/xka4eizgAAHDSg X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > The prompt for `rename-file' does not currently show the old file name What old file name? Which file is the "old file"? > Wouldn't it be better if the prompt should the current file name at init? What "current file"? You can use `rename-file' from anywhere in Emacs. Yes, if you use it from a file buffer or from Dired then a reasonable default value is provided. But that's all it is: a default value. We should treat this default value the same way we treat default values generally (i.e., most default values). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 20:08:24 2010 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2010 01:08:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXO35-0000Lh-Rm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:08:24 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXO33-0000LW-Nk for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:08:22 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so4456458ewy.3 for <7747@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:15:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aIrhWyXHTaCauc6kTOQTUlq3V/v7FUsAcViI0+C5o3Q=; b=jix5N98OU2g6xf7r9DAG9auSD3J9xAkPg9oBJI8MgALdjlsmLJ5/aa70QoOWZcqxd+ cxp/1VRTLf7fybN1fsNP869V9Iqt3mq1FgB5ZDFuHUFSiLKKXQQPtmycGzUM7pY/3W6u eWiC+qKqY+guXKkLYZDe7VsWvz6VCWp7oneiI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FnkCYp0nVVrhAbMX/sbx4I2o9rQuHok7B8qhu4tQKoI6/sS0RcS+f4HhFkXYNOpUzz LBATQzxhSqrDe13XcK4tDSmllxvTXmIok9hPblmKbTvaKMarSTjmbBABEpGMpDWVCTW+ i7DxsJGE4OSIVSxJWLQkJLxBq1FSlxXUb6CQ0= Received: by 10.213.9.66 with SMTP id k2mr1657926ebk.84.1293498910300; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:15:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:14:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> References: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:14:50 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >> The prompt for `rename-file' does not currently show the old file name > > What old file name? =C2=A0Which file is the "old file"? > >> Wouldn't it be better if the prompt should the current file name at init= ? > > What "current file"? > > You can use `rename-file' from anywhere in Emacs. =C2=A0Yes, if you use i= t from a > file buffer or from Dired then a reasonable default value is provided. = =C2=A0But > that's all it is: a default value. I did not think of that, but I am sure you understood me. > We should treat this default value the same way we treat default values > generally (i.e., most default values). Yes. And the only reasonable way to do that is to put them after the prompt= . From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 20:52:18 2010 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2010 01:52:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXOjZ-0001Tg-Kx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:52:17 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXOjX-0001TU-0U for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:52:15 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A061F6E8053; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159C1451C17D; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file Organization: JURTA References: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 01:47:52 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 28 Dec 2010 01:41:50 +0100") Message-ID: <87oc86fz1z.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > The prompt for `rename-file' does not currently show the old file name > thought it is in the history for the prompt. Please try `M-x rename-file RET M-n'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 21:09:07 2010 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2010 02:09:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXOzq-0001uB-Tk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:09:07 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXOzp-0001tc-DK for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:09:05 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so4467357ewy.3 for <7747@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:15:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=oiOgsRAEUeC05dJV/IA8adu1AzdJmpIHDoNpH0/D3XI=; b=mP6hBZQ0UHmfWt9C+N4wfXzZkRW/YmF+zceSsL2Cj9wl2KahrJ3BUCnm9UpVXZeP71 fg52ILoXBaFwIlLHMEDgrQCwYya+tu0rgygYo0p1J2/HZiTFGTH7fePBmOI32hbKwG7q 6Rf9YMjGTInKDkHVzNvZ5l1B7+6wbRF9uI6Ws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=gigE8U95z6fXKJgODnVQtB+HDGvuNn3BptMm6COlNHPE5Gbr7S7ZuLXeY0CjYOX5F4 +jB117VTcgKwrTdtqsndN8redBmQcHbw3kyNhKlJYBypGeEY05nwYyhe7qJqmc6LEmmD W/a7RYymBzG6RdMb70Ovh1F6aUoKnMbbbLNiQ= Received: by 10.213.2.198 with SMTP id 6mr210065ebk.71.1293502554011; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:15:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:15:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87oc86fz1z.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <87oc86fz1z.fsf@mail.jurta.org> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:15:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file To: Juri Linkov Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Juri Linkov wrote: >> The prompt for `rename-file' does not currently show the old file name >> thought it is in the history for the prompt. > > Please try `M-x rename-file RET M-n'. Yes, I know about that. What I mean is that this is very counterintuitive for new users. They are used to have the name they are renaming in the prompt (since that is what GUI software normally do). And I wonder whether the current behavior really helps old users most of the time. I think most of the time I rename a file I just change part of the file name. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 21:17:40 2010 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2010 02:17:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXP88-000281-CF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:17:40 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXP87-00027o-2A for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:17:39 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEABrZGE3O+LP+/2dsb2JhbACkLHS/WIVKBIRljhs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,237,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="86584794" Received: from 206-248-179-254.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([206.248.179.254]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 27 Dec 2010 21:24:28 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id C10E06610E; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:24:27 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file Message-ID: References: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 21:24:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 28 Dec 2010 02:14:50 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: Drew Adams , 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> You can use `rename-file' from anywhere in Emacs. =A0Yes, if you use it = from a >> file buffer or from Dired then a reasonable default value is provided. = =A0But >> that's all it is: a default value. > I did not think of that, but I am sure you understood me. Maybe he's lucky enough, but I must say I'm still lost. Can someone turn this into an actual bug-report, please? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 01 14:09:40 2011 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jan 2011 19:09:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ6pg-00041m-1y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:09:40 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ6pd-00041Y-DO for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 14:09:38 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so5971070ewy.3 for <7747@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:16:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qHMDDBE2myRMWkIX0f2teSQGBEeqNmjRhUH27R/xD8U=; b=UottFI5JZD+pzXFBXr/zgDhL4azIJhcXY4dCg6AV16VaSiHztP85lkODsiG8Cec0Vq hnN1tsPTP9qyzKdZowW/0ULrU7u39Hje5mFLQ1SmGkDbZFu/G3zb+C+Ko8dgn/RhRGmC zWwij1oeug+J7YEekO0vX1dJIl2dhyotC0jY8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UmJ6G/7FMEsvPzkf/xLWoVKL0pitJDgVypTsZus2elFLqbb/fk1ZXhzfWLFs2aqpYn wVKZ+/8zxjTBoPqsVbogMecgxNiMiu4WVMZbNfXK7o2X8Nz9dWgd352zCFEQZhfmwCx9 EPaOQcv/2ha2wVSDhoWp24Xl5aMgMccgsqORI= Received: by 10.213.28.12 with SMTP id k12mr3739263ebc.84.1293909398672; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 11:16:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 11:16:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:16:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: Drew Adams , 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> You can use `rename-file' from anywhere in Emacs. =C2=A0Yes, if you use= it from a >>> file buffer or from Dired then a reasonable default value is provided. = =C2=A0But >>> that's all it is: a default value. >> I did not think of that, but I am sure you understood me. > > Maybe he's lucky enough, but I must say I'm still lost. =C2=A0Can someone > turn this into an actual bug-report, please? Sorry, I should have been thinking of that you all use Emacs for almost everything so this idea might be unfamiliar to you ;-) It is just a simple but useful thing I want - too eat the cake and have the cake. Though I was not aware of that first. It is very useful that the current filename is in the prompt history when renaming a file. However one more thing can be done now: - Put the old file name in the prompt + made it selected (if visual regions are on). This is what at least the w32 GUI does. If you then want to overwrite that filename you just start typing the new file name. If you want to edit the file name instead you move the point first. This aborts the selection and you can now edit as usual. The advantage is more clarity and less key strokes. This would work very well in Emacs too - at least when cua-mode is on. (And in the case it is not on I think we should reconsider how self-insert is handled.) I realize now that this bug is quite a bit more general than for rename-file. Sorry for that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 01 21:21:34 2011 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2011 02:21:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZDZd-0004rO-Po for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:21:34 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZDZa-0004rA-M2 for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:21:31 -0500 Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so5754296eyd.3 for <7747@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:28:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=y9LjmU5i5bCzrKVMUj1Vnoca1MktHftFUG1sdR7Z/4c=; b=Qu/2h+M2+UdzbQax0+BRFyUPkVL4O1vYTMLxfgFvMscnMGYeKQOAKGs+/MjOolwt/H CQ15sBG5QJBQ/j3wb18/Jw/XEArhGuiGbbQdVJZ6thIGCGsvlgV9pS7F4jnvmyplymr/ mH9jxc5TF9mcuirvX2jwQGO2mWVwZOnJfO0fg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=Wv12U71Dd0SY5D7Mqj5bNjn+pjyRZxW8NwyzoPDy2hNalODIk9P18lFV4W0LEp4WYR eCfcCT/V/zlzGILd/Rqy6woKrKquA9Od+Mymxu2jelni0VFTRBNvhA/A8Eep2cfE1uGb 89esn+ukwgYimsZrAuRvxk+sYSn1MVhKIAcN8= Received: by 10.213.29.16 with SMTP id o16mr5769657ebc.58.1293935312639; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:28:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 18:28:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 03:28:12 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: Drew Adams , 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) Stefan wrote: > IIUC you just want minibuffer input's default value to be inserted in > the minibuffer (and selected so that `delete' or `backspace' gets you rid > of it) rather than starting with an empty minibuffer and letting the > user bring in the default with M-n if she wants it. > > The way I see such a thing happening is by changing calls to > completing-read (and derivatives) to use a new function which can behave > either way (e.g. it takes a `prompt' and a `default' arg but no > `initial' arg, and the `prompt' doesn't include the default in it, > instead the function will take care to add it to the prompt if/when > needed). Yes, sorry for the confusion. This is what I meant. I think this is a much better UI than the current implementation to handle default values. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 01 21:46:34 2011 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2011 02:46:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZDxq-0005Ox-I6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:46:34 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZDxo-0005OS-Be; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:46:32 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAKF3H01Ld/TY/2dsb2JhbACkR3S7NoVKBIRljhs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,261,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="86887396" Received: from 75-119-244-216.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.244.216]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 01 Jan 2011 21:53:33 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A30E658DFC; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file Message-ID: References: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 21:53:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 2 Jan 2011 03:28:12 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: Drew Adams , 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) retitle 7747 Allow choice of "default in M-n" vs "default in `initial'" severity 7747 wishlist thanks > I think this is a much better UI than the current implementation to > handle default values. Clearly, that's the one you're used to from the rest of your w32 world. Whether it's better or not also depends on whether you use and like delete-selection-mode. In any case, I don't think the default will change any time soon in this respect, but I do hope that we will change the code so that end users can choose between the two behaviors. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 01 22:08:37 2011 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2011 03:08:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZEJB-0006ac-4V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:08:37 -0500 Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZEJ9-0006aQ-RG for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 22:08:36 -0500 Received: by ewy8 with SMTP id 8so6036019ewy.3 for <7747@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 19:15:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=q6v3y3lqa4OFHTxpmgxRs4+VJue40Do9ByVdfXyjI8Y=; b=gNxWHzVO387cVo1ItEuGKZmcKNozw3HCQqVLrxnGJHBax6ecWsn66nBUjk3AilTohG aruhYvVuzWzqKfoxikf4n8j6KYjVUugm0S+9u8yNSilftJzq1SQ+evNW9YbVUP+mvYdi b3Gg7IcK7jJE/4rOHrdFatoiSPxwozCUffYXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=JHX2iTkY4qwHAaqwklVzp5bI7LipcBbr6ERLWw2BSiLElDjho8H+SqC3Z65SoU6QSG 5w7JKOZRCFcrN3kb4oYZmUp+jEyuoRWxDmeHxrTChj/HNiT79o6E3FibKcSdw5KVgChG H/lbjY9RqOtd2Qxkc77ZIZWiXEnAvdTe144xE= Received: by 10.213.28.66 with SMTP id l2mr15929080ebc.71.1293938137986; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 19:15:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.20.148 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 19:15:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> From: Lennart Borgman Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 04:15:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: Drew Adams , 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > retitle 7747 Allow choice of "default in M-n" vs "default in `initial'" > severity 7747 wishlist > thanks > >> I think this is a much better UI than the current implementation to >> handle default values. > > Clearly, that's the one you're used to from the rest of your w32 world. > Whether it's better or not also depends on whether you use and like > delete-selection-mode. Yes, you have to like delete-selection-mode to use this. (But it also makes it clear why delete-selection-mode is very useful.) > In any case, I don't think the default will change any time soon in this > respect, but I do hope that we will change the code so that end users > can choose between the two behaviors. Agree. Fine. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 02 09:59:09 2011 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jan 2011 14:59:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZPOn-00071W-8j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 09:59:09 -0500 Received: from smarty.dreamhost.com ([208.113.175.8]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZPOk-000713-EQ for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 09:59:07 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhostps.com (ps18281.dreamhost.com [69.163.218.105]) by smarty.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E5F6E804B; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:06:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E48451C09E; Sun, 2 Jan 2011 07:06:07 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#7747: Please put current file name in the prompt for rename-file Organization: JURTA References: <18DA5640211F43C3B3DE7C161ED13DE2@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 14:57:35 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sat, 1 Jan 2011 20:16:18 +0100") Message-ID: <87k4ins6ak.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: Stefan Monnier , 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > This is what at least the w32 GUI does. This has nothing to do with w32! I don't use w32, but still welcome these changes because most of GUI improvements happen in web browsers nowadays, and I think that some of them are quite good to adapt to Emacs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 10 03:33:45 2022 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2022 08:33:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53839 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tc-0004ZV-Pr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:33:44 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45814) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tb-0004ZB-KL for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:33:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gCuaMmf6t1PGf16NZo6J8a+vZJKEaBteTMPusTK6Fy8=; b=T5xuBGNDpr7jx1NGfG5TVk/3Lz nTT2hcDqdRPmhlfWpuFYzBJq0gGt2o7UnsuNAhQI3fSjPy9qzmUBK3NtpzJYAQQw5vvH8PG5KX3GB tetXiPCIEH07zq4HaRPpi5Gpo98TK7SsczV7xzNfA/1/7x1txy6T8W2+HL/KeVsq9B+4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tS-0004Ze-8B; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:33:37 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Lennart Borgman Subject: Re: bug#7747: Allow choice of "default in M-n" vs "default in `initial'" References: <87oc86fz1z.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-Now-Playing: Contriva's _If you had stayed..._: "self-service" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:33:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:15:33 +0100") Message-ID: <87h7979l42.fsf_-_@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lennart Borgman writes: >>> The prompt for `rename-file' does not currently show the old file name >>> thought it is in the history for the prompt. >> >> Please try `M-x rename-file RET M-n'. > > Yes, I know about that. What [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: Juri Linkov , 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lennart Borgman writes: >>> The prompt for `rename-file' does not currently show the old file name >>> thought it is in the history for the prompt. >> >> Please try `M-x rename-file RET M-n'. > > Yes, I know about that. What I mean is that this is very > counterintuitive for new users. They are used to have the name they > are renaming in the prompt (since that is what GUI software normally > do). (I'm going through old bug reports that unfortunately weren't resolved at the time.) Many prompts in Emacs have moved (or are moving) to the "don't use an initial", but instead puts the thing into `M-n'. There are advantages and disadvantages to this (the main advantage is that you can just start typing without saying `C-a C-k' first if you don't want the default), but it's a conscious design decision which won't be reverted, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 10 03:33:51 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2022 08:33:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53842 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tj-0004Zs-1S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:33:51 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45830) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4th-0004ZU-OF for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 03:33:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=RNPSNHrjENbvjfDFF8LsKV4ZO8qoQbaPnFS9+Gj576g=; b=WddWl7EmBjzLcZS0HMBV42OMr1 s/yJ5LI1sO8MHZvxyXkEB53FjRDx/2qcb9PJqDcf3G+ZRt2ULE3ygIMKmMD2mHv0Z2Fyjr3ZyidUn 4EFvlU9Nr9a6JCyOmihZDQ0cDMCpLQXqYY4tBVdGtWxTS7kh1DQ5Bx1d7FDP2py2kzUk=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=giant) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nI4tZ-0004Zq-Ja for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:33:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:33:40 +0100 Message-Id: <87fsor9l3v.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #7747 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 7747 wontfix close 7747 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 7747 wontfix close 7747 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 11 22:58:03 2022 Received: (at 7747) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2022 03:58:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33094 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIjXv-0002Wy-Mb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:58:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42738) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nIjXu-0002WE-0M for 7747@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:58:02 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=51132 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIjXo-0002C3-Mb; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:57:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=TDxaf7pSOzvuVIKuKm/wy1F0C50W7eU4f3Q2Az9i54s=; b=LE7aWeiQjzEI 5f2N9t5Ks6M/7ILWmVeUujdIdNSmMyoSGXXp5UCPydzX4knQ0+VSwLbeEzEI0FRn2A4ULjdYhqGwJ YyaDZSuBWrA7FKH7b+c7/S20rivROtkhj5tnGtn/gSz0qOQX9M+ftcc616VvXfFhA9mfrb9F1PJYJ bShCRVZed6zSoKEgeKuR8YbH30iJ5SiUvTP+7GtJybH1Mp2032zdM/wnbb5cMRGTYlmm36kLggpAv dHJFwYpkfESDOHuO9TrUpWw2+/yGZFtPg4hEj2Z3DPP4VI6gWQLuhUeni0mvQWaj01y3OONYNY9W4 aJ35UwuYA3AKPa4WQvgmYg==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nIjXn-0005hG-Fa; Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:57:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87h7979l42.fsf_-_@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:33:33 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#7747: Allow choice of "default in M-n" vs "default in `initial'" References: <87oc86fz1z.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87h7979l42.fsf_-_@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:57:55 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7747 Cc: lennart.borgman@gmail.com, 7747@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Many prompts in Emacs have moved (or are moving) to the "don't use an > initial", but instead puts the thing into `M-n'. Could someone identify for me one example of this change which is not inside a large or complex package that is difficult to try out? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Tue Jun 24 22:35:33 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2022 12:24:07 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator