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Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Keith Amidon Subject: eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title interaction with eww-readable-urls Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.218.253; envelope-from=camalot@picnicpark.org; helo=iguana.tulip.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 00:47:07 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) I'm trying to use eww with: (setq eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title eww-readable-urls '((".*" . t))) I'm expecting that this will result in buffer names reflecting the titles of the HTML pages. However, what I actually see is that all buffers get named "Untitled # EWW", made unique by uniquify. This seems like a bug to me. I believe it arises because the title element of eww-data is set to the empty string by eww--before-browse and then set to the actual title when shr-insert-document csiteslalls the eww-tag-title function via the shr-external-rendering-functions set in eww-display-document. I think that in the readable case, the content passed to shr-insert-document does not include the title element so it isn't available from rendering that content. It appears to me that eww-readable preserves the title in the eww-data plist by resetting it after calling eww-before-browse. And in fact, if I set eww-readable-urls to nil and go to a site, the buffer is properly named based on the title. If I then call eww-readable, it remains named based on the title. The default readability based-on eww-readable-urls appears to happen in eww-display-html, which itself calls eww-display-document. The full document hasn't been rendered at this point so there is no existing title to preserve. I don't think there is a simple fix for this. The fundamental problem is that eww only gets the title by rendering the original document and in the case of default readable URLs it never renders the original document. I thought it might be possible to hack eww-score-readability to include the title in the readable version but it appears that it is omitting the entire head section currently, so it would need fairly extensive changes to selectively pass through the title without any other head elements. Help with this would be appreciated. Thanks! --- Keith From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 27 04:22:20 2025 Received: (at 77299) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2025 08:22:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47291 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1txiVG-0006hk-Tx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 04:22:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1txiVE-0006ge-3p for 77299@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 04:22:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1txiV8-0000Or-M6; Thu, 27 Mar 2025 04:22:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=AwvLfNJxG9D8ONewpR6o5cQVmrF+wmyDiZux3IeqogY=; b=lZEM0K136kJO 5iEEvr7QIlb3IQx4DR9bfBF6IKaOaF+9+4HELUASRpeAeJUiIfz+rOdki/js4REgPVVrq13Qbs1KS EUoKEhlBe7BqTdk3Gil/ApzztWN91i2NeOTBjQrgrtjaCYtCMAMqOoCHc4CwJDS3p5NMHvcrdP5Ry tcAyzcNN/HT1G7xEt+eXO+N7hwAeFDIM8S2XeDemxwT3etBRW/Ou3ghN42K+k58AOuUTTJEcORAMO y7zNqepaN0XBJElwKDi4d9qEC2am+aHsNRJxrMC2Aq3m157omd1I+wCXtday5KbFly5kBhU5U5BzS xki5y5KFhVFUsufMNdSimw==; Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2025 10:22:08 +0200 Message-Id: <86iknudgsv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Keith Amidon In-Reply-To: (message from Keith Amidon on Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#77299: eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title interaction with eww-readable-urls References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700 > From: Keith Amidon > > I'm trying to use eww with: > > (setq eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title > eww-readable-urls '((".*" . t))) > > I'm expecting that this will result in buffer names reflecting > the titles of the HTML pages. However, what I actually see is > that all buffers get named "Untitled # EWW", made unique by > uniquify. > > This seems like a bug to me. > > I believe it arises because the title element of eww-data is set > to the empty string by eww--before-browse and then set to the > actual title when shr-insert-document csiteslalls the eww-tag-title > function via the shr-external-rendering-functions set in > eww-display-document. > > I think that in the readable case, the content passed to > shr-insert-document does not include the title element so > it isn't available from rendering that content. > > It appears to me that eww-readable preserves the title > in the eww-data plist by resetting it after calling > eww-before-browse. And in fact, if I set eww-readable-urls to > nil and go to a site, the buffer is properly named based on > the title. If I then call eww-readable, it remains named > based on the title. > > The default readability based-on eww-readable-urls appears > to happen in eww-display-html, which itself calls > eww-display-document. The full document hasn't been rendered > at this point so there is no existing title to preserve. > > I don't think there is a simple fix for this. The fundamental > problem is that eww only gets the title by rendering the > original document and in the case of default readable URLs > it never renders the original document. I thought it might be > possible to hack eww-score-readability to include the title > in the readable version but it appears that it is omitting the > entire head section currently, so it would need fairly > extensive changes to selectively pass through the title > without any other head elements. I agree with your analysis: it's a design problem, which prevents shr-insert-document from calling eww-tag-title, and thus the title remains the empty string. IOW, eww-readable-urls is currently incompatible with eww-auto-rename-buffer, and moreover, it causes the URL to be shown as "untitled", even if eww-auto-rename-buffer is not used. Hopefully, someone who knows this code and how shr.el works will be able to come up with a solution. One possible way is to find the title before calling shr-insert-document, and then manually setting the :title property of eww-data when shr-insert-document returns. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 3/27/25 01:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700 >> From: Keith Amidon >> >> I'm trying to use eww with: >> >> (setq eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title >> eww-readable-urls '((".*" . t))) >> >> I'm expecting that this will result in buffer names reflecting >> the titles of the HTML pages. However, what I actually see is >> that all buffers get named "Untitled # EWW", made unique by >> uniquify. >> >> This seems like a bug to me. >> >> I believe it arises because the title element of eww-data is set >> to the empty string by eww--before-browse and then set to the >> actual title when shr-insert-document csiteslalls the eww-tag-title >> function via the shr-external-rendering-functions set in >> eww-display-document. >> >> I think that in the readable case, the content passed to >> shr-insert-document does not include the title element so >> it isn't available from rendering that content. >> >> It appears to me that eww-readable preserves the title >> in the eww-data plist by resetting it after calling >> eww-before-browse. And in fact, if I set eww-readable-urls to >> nil and go to a site, the buffer is properly named based on >> the title. If I then call eww-readable, it remains named >> based on the title. >> >> The default readability based-on eww-readable-urls appears >> to happen in eww-display-html, which itself calls >> eww-display-document. The full document hasn't been rendered >> at this point so there is no existing title to preserve. >> >> I don't think there is a simple fix for this. The fundamental >> problem is that eww only gets the title by rendering the >> original document and in the case of default readable URLs >> it never renders the original document. I thought it might be >> possible to hack eww-score-readability to include the title >> in the readable version but it appears that it is omitting the >> entire head section currently, so it would need fairly >> extensive changes to selectively pass through the title >> without any other head elements. > I agree with your analysis: it's a design problem, which prevents > shr-insert-document from calling eww-tag-title, and thus the title > remains the empty string. IOW, eww-readable-urls is currently > incompatible with eww-auto-rename-buffer, and moreover, it causes the > URL to be shown as "untitled", even if eww-auto-rename-buffer is not > used. > > Hopefully, someone who knows this code and how shr.el works will be > able to come up with a solution. One possible way is to find the > title before calling shr-insert-document, and then manually setting > the :title property of eww-data when shr-insert-document returns. > Sorry it took so long for me to get back to looking into this more and thus for the long quote above to re-establish context. I have found that I seem to be able to get eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title, history titles, and org link capture to work with default readable URLs in eww-readable-urls by redefining eww-display-html to: (defun eww-display-html (charset url &optional document point buffer)   (let ((source (buffer-substring (point) (point-max))))     (with-current-buffer buffer       (plist-put eww-data :source source)))   (eww-display-document    (or document        (eww-document-base url (eww--parse-html-region (point) (point-max) charset)))    point buffer)   (and (null document)        (eww-default-readable-p url)        (with-current-buffer buffer          (eww-readable 1)))) This is somewhat less efficient than the prior implementation in that the document gets displayed twice for default readable URLs, but it is no worse than not having default readability and manually toggling readability after the page is rendered. I haven't noticed any downsides to this redefinition yet, but I've only been playing around with it for a morning so far. Given it reduces the conflict between eww-readable-urls and multiple other features, it seems worth considering. --- Keith --------------00j1M0BpwdHtBulAkzel2omw Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 3/27/25 01:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2025 11:04:49 -0700
From: Keith Amidon <camalot@picnicpark.org>

I'm trying to use eww with:

(setq eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title
       eww-readable-urls '((".*" . t)))

I'm expecting that this will result in buffer names reflecting
the titles of the HTML pages. However, what I actually see is
that all buffers get named "Untitled # EWW", made unique by
uniquify.

This seems like a bug to me.

I believe it arises because the title element of eww-data is set
to the empty string by eww--before-browse and then set to the
actual title when shr-insert-document csiteslalls the eww-tag-title
function via the shr-external-rendering-functions set in
eww-display-document.

I think that in the readable case, the content passed to
shr-insert-document does not include the title element so
it isn't available from rendering that content.

It appears to me that eww-readable preserves the title
in the eww-data plist by resetting it after calling
eww-before-browse. And in fact, if I set eww-readable-urls to
nil and go to a site, the buffer is properly named based on
the title. If I then call eww-readable, it remains named
based on the title.

The default readability based-on eww-readable-urls appears
to happen in eww-display-html, which itself calls
eww-display-document. The full document hasn't been rendered
at this point so there is no existing title to preserve.

I don't think there is a simple fix for this. The fundamental
problem is that eww only gets the title by rendering the
original document and in the case of default readable URLs
it never renders the original document. I thought it might be
possible to hack eww-score-readability to include the title
in the readable version but it appears that it is omitting the
entire head section currently, so it would need fairly
extensive changes to selectively pass through the title
without any other head elements.

I agree with your analysis: it's a design problem, which prevents
shr-insert-document from calling eww-tag-title, and thus the title
remains the empty string.  IOW, eww-readable-urls is currently
incompatible with eww-auto-rename-buffer, and moreover, it causes the
URL to be shown as "untitled", even if eww-auto-rename-buffer is not
used.

Hopefully, someone who knows this code and how shr.el works will be
able to come up with a solution.  One possible way is to find the
title before calling shr-insert-document, and then manually setting
the :title property of eww-data when shr-insert-document returns.


Sorry it took so long for me to get back to looking into this more 
and thus for the long quote above to re-establish context. I have
found that I seem to be able to get eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title,
history titles, and org link capture to work with default readable 
URLs in eww-readable-urls by redefining eww-display-html to:
(defun eww-display-html (charset url &optional document point buffer)
  (let ((source (buffer-substring (point) (point-max))))
    (with-current-buffer buffer
      (plist-put eww-data :source source)))
  (eww-display-document
   (or document
       (eww-document-base url (eww--parse-html-region (point) (point-max) charset)))
   point buffer)
  (and (null document)
       (eww-default-readable-p url)
       (with-current-buffer buffer
         (eww-readable 1))))

This is somewhat less efficient than the prior implementation in that
the document gets displayed twice for default readable URLs, but it is
no worse than not having default readability and manually toggling 
readability after the page is rendered.

I haven't noticed any downsides to this redefinition yet, but I've 
only been playing around with it for a morning so far. Given it 
reduces the conflict between eww-readable-urls and multiple other
features, it seems worth considering.

--- Keith
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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A quick update on this: I've been using the version of eww-display-html quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith On 5/13/25 07:27, Keith Amidon wrote: > Sorry it took so long for me to get back to looking into this more > and thus for the long quote above to re-establish context. I have > found that I seem to be able to get eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title, > history titles, and org link capture to work with default readable > URLs in eww-readable-urls by redefining eww-display-html to: > (defun eww-display-html (charset url &optional document point buffer) >   (let ((source (buffer-substring (point) (point-max)))) >     (with-current-buffer buffer >       (plist-put eww-data :source source))) >   (eww-display-document >    (or document >        (eww-document-base url (eww--parse-html-region (point) (point-max) charset))) >    point buffer) >   (and (null document) >        (eww-default-readable-p url) >        (with-current-buffer buffer >          (eww-readable 1)))) > This is somewhat less efficient than the prior implementation in that > the document gets displayed twice for default readable URLs, but it is > no worse than not having default readability and manually toggling > readability after the page is rendered. > > I haven't noticed any downsides to this redefinition yet, but I've > only been playing around with it for a morning so far. Given it > reduces the conflict between eww-readable-urls and multiple other > features, it seems worth considering. > > --- Keith > --------------rE5g0e0W0WRhJdxrY0MgZruI Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
A quick update on this: I've been using the version of eww-display-html quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith

On 5/13/25 07:27, Keith Amidon wrote:
Sorry it took so long for me to get back to looking into this more 
and thus for the long quote above to re-establish context. I have
found that I seem to be able to get eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title,
history titles, and org link capture to work with default readable 
URLs in eww-readable-urls by redefining eww-display-html to:
(defun eww-display-html (charset url &optional document point buffer)
  (let ((source (buffer-substring (point) (point-max))))
    (with-current-buffer buffer
      (plist-put eww-data :source source)))
  (eww-display-document
   (or document
       (eww-document-base url (eww--parse-html-region (point) (point-max) charset)))
   point buffer)
  (and (null document)
       (eww-default-readable-p url)
       (with-current-buffer buffer
         (eww-readable 1))))

This is somewhat less efficient than the prior implementation in that
the document gets displayed twice for default readable URLs, but it is
no worse than not having default readability and manually toggling 
readability after the page is rendered.

I haven't noticed any downsides to this redefinition yet, but I've 
only been playing around with it for a morning so far. Given it 
reduces the conflict between eww-readable-urls and multiple other
features, it seems worth considering.

--- Keith


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If the approach seems acceptable, I'd > be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't require a workaround like this. If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the workaround, I think that would be best. The code would be more maintainable, and we'd likely have fewer problems in this area in the future. 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If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the > workaround, I think that would be best. That was a bit redundant. Serves me right to try and reply while I'm distracted. But you get the idea... 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[76.168.144.128]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-2364e61b61fsm768355ad.16.2025.06.11.15.17.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 11 Jun 2025 15:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 15:17:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#77299: eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title interaction with eww-readable-urls Content-Language: en-US To: Eli Zaretskii References: <86iknudgsv.fsf@gnu.org> <7ecf1a2b-decb-49f3-b869-9bb4f26f2981@picnicpark.org> <274d66da-d91d-821b-b1a5-d40263dd368e@gmail.com> <86jz5igjoa.fsf@gnu.org> From: Jim Porter In-Reply-To: <86jz5igjoa.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org, camalot@picnicpark.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 6/11/2025 12:30 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:11:03 -0700 >> Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: Jim Porter >> >> On 6/9/2025 6:38 AM, Keith Amidon wrote: >>> A quick update on this: I've been using the version of eww-display-html >>> quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month >>> ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd >>> be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith >> >> I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't require a workaround like >> this. > > What workaround are you alluding to? Rendering the original document and immediately re-rendering the "readable" form of the document. >> If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the >> workaround, I think that would be best. > > Feel free to suggest a way if you see it. Both Keith and myself > looked at the code and concluded that it would be impossible without > completely rewriting this functionality. See > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=77299#8 I think we could change how we return the readable form of the document. Currently, it returns the DOM node of the section we want to render, but we could instead return a new document with the node plus the DOM node we want to render (ditto for <link> nodes, since we use those for things like 'eww-next-url'). Since scoring the readability of the document requires iterating over every DOM node, we could just collect the extra nodes we care about (like <title>) while iterating. Then it'll be easy to include those nodes in the readable form. Doing it this way should have the benefit that we don't start network requests for images that won't be shown in the readable form of the page. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 12 02:51:47 2025 Received: (at 77299) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jun 2025 06:51:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uPbmt-0007LL-0o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2025 02:51:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@gnu.org>) id 1uPbmq-0007L5-SY for 77299@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2025 02:51:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@gnu.org>) id 1uPbmk-00014o-Qn; Thu, 12 Jun 2025 02:51:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=2FPsk/uKh42WBoKD3wOHxy+clbPJ5yslWinkMnZU57M=; b=mPwGuyiqqXXbeulAnRW9 uLAEFaezV+kkCIbRjGnb6xarwNihV47QYcbbjhnAOLDKCnYkZ+oUpLVAn2+FnVLDPb+BTBSDDVzPl BbBF8vokS8SzIJa6oyd2CwWtdsY5gGIJcQ4Gf84wH5fnhcsBRq5vG7JTaTSnibpQ2537PlL73terc eQvLxkV7mj3YXgDLgwIMh+ApjnlfY2fnrl1PT1lDWUAgQ79cjvTsf2xUsj2VP2gRjwNlgFoZi+eBO U2r6CStMplgwrwcgCfvisSGQzdXKFCSGb5kHCxVEyIKR8DAgn3IKUSazo/i/J7gE0WVQA8xoP1bYC RnhH0/tx+pS/cA==; Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 09:51:36 +0300 Message-Id: <861prph2pz.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <c6025ab2-179e-c848-6d6c-4ffc7f7faccb@gmail.com> (message from Jim Porter on Wed, 11 Jun 2025 15:17:21 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#77299: eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title interaction with eww-readable-urls References: <df113cbb-427a-4508-91db-0b1adc4b6b19@picnicpark.org> <86iknudgsv.fsf@gnu.org> <7ecf1a2b-decb-49f3-b869-9bb4f26f2981@picnicpark.org> <aabea7d5-598c-4899-b182-bebf05bdfff5@picnicpark.org> <274d66da-d91d-821b-b1a5-d40263dd368e@gmail.com> <86jz5igjoa.fsf@gnu.org> <c6025ab2-179e-c848-6d6c-4ffc7f7faccb@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org, camalot@picnicpark.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 15:17:21 -0700 > Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org, camalot@picnicpark.org > From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> > > On 6/11/2025 12:30 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2025 10:11:03 -0700 > >> Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org > >> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> > >> > >> On 6/9/2025 6:38 AM, Keith Amidon wrote: > >>> A quick update on this: I've been using the version of eww-display-html > >>> quoted below regularly since I last commented on the bug about a month > >>> ago and think it is working fine. If the approach seems acceptable, I'd > >>> be happy to prepare a patch to send to emacs-devel.   --- Keith > >> > >> I think I'd prefer a solution that doesn't require a workaround like > >> this. > > > > What workaround are you alluding to? > > Rendering the original document and immediately re-rendering the > "readable" form of the document. > > >> If we could get a fix that resolves this issue without the > >> workaround, I think that would be best. > > > > Feel free to suggest a way if you see it. Both Keith and myself > > looked at the code and concluded that it would be impossible without > > completely rewriting this functionality. See > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=77299#8 > > I think we could change how we return the readable form of the document. > Currently, it returns the DOM node of the section we want to render, but > we could instead return a new document with the <title> node plus the > DOM node we want to render (ditto for <link> nodes, since we use those > for things like 'eww-next-url'). > > Since scoring the readability of the document requires iterating over > every DOM node, we could just collect the extra nodes we care about > (like <title>) while iterating. Then it'll be easy to include those > nodes in the readable form. > > Doing it this way should have the benefit that we don't start network > requests for images that won't be shown in the readable form of the page. Thanks. That'd be okay, but unless we have such a reimplementation soon, I intend to install the simpler patch proposed by Keith (when he posts it). 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 6/11/25 15:17, Jim Porter wrote: > I think we could change how we return the readable form of the > document. Currently, it returns the DOM node of the section we want to > render, but we could instead return a new document with the <title> > node plus the DOM node we want to render (ditto for <link> nodes, > since we use those for things like 'eww-next-url'). > > Since scoring the readability of the document requires iterating over > every DOM node, we could just collect the extra nodes we care about > (like <title>) while iterating. Then it'll be easy to include those > nodes in the readable form. > > Doing it this way should have the benefit that we don't start network > requests for images that won't be shown in the readable form of the page. I had originally thought of trying to do it more-or-less likes this but it seemed like it would be a quite large change to code I wasn't that familiar with so I went with something more contained to get things working. It might take me a while, but I can give this approach a second more sustained try and see how it looks. The points about image loading and <link> elements are good ones. Solving those within the existing approach where we save even more information from the original "non-readable" rending of the page and possibly conditionally modify the renderer to avoid loading images if we're just going to switch to the "readable" rending automatically makes a somewhat messy situation even messier. 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It might take me a while, but I can give this approach a second > more sustained try and see how it looks. I wrote the 'eww-readable-urls' feature (though not the original readable mode code), so I have a fairly good idea of how things work in this area. If you're interested in working on a patch, I'm happy to provide some guidance, or if you just want it to work right, I could write the patch. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 6/12/25 08:54, Jim Porter wrote: > I wrote the 'eww-readable-urls' feature (though not the original > readable mode code), so I have a fairly good idea of how things work > in this area. If you're interested in working on a patch, I'm happy to > provide some guidance, or if you just want it to work right, I could > write the patch. If you have the time and interest to write the patch based on your superior knowledge of the code Jim that would be great. I'm motivated to have this work because I find using eww-readable-urls to make eww much more useful for my day-to-day usage (thanks for contributing it!) but I also heavily use org links which need the document title to work well. My current personal workaround is working but I'd like to get a solution upstream and stop carrying it. If you come up with something you'd like help testing I'd be happy to help with that. If you can't get to it for a while I'll make time to poke at it. 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[76.168.144.128]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 41be03b00d2f7-b2fe1691e1fsm9163522a12.70.2025.06.17.09.33.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 17 Jun 2025 09:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------vmhHtARq3KrsqrjMClq00inv" Message-ID: <4f1f8527-f46b-af4b-3ff3-c7a2e2db5710@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 09:33:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#77299: eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title interaction with eww-readable-urls Content-Language: en-US To: Keith Amidon <camalot@picnicpark.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> References: <df113cbb-427a-4508-91db-0b1adc4b6b19@picnicpark.org> <86iknudgsv.fsf@gnu.org> <7ecf1a2b-decb-49f3-b869-9bb4f26f2981@picnicpark.org> <aabea7d5-598c-4899-b182-bebf05bdfff5@picnicpark.org> <274d66da-d91d-821b-b1a5-d40263dd368e@gmail.com> <86jz5igjoa.fsf@gnu.org> <c6025ab2-179e-c848-6d6c-4ffc7f7faccb@gmail.com> <8aadf7a8-e1ed-4a77-b3be-759e7a5b6e41@picnicpark.org> <832d1d64-0751-4928-3a21-4f20f6bb5664@gmail.com> <f54e5436-9aeb-4141-8b70-94a9a880dfd5@picnicpark.org> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <f54e5436-9aeb-4141-8b70-94a9a880dfd5@picnicpark.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------vmhHtARq3KrsqrjMClq00inv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/12/2025 9:47 AM, Keith Amidon wrote: > If you have the time and interest to write the patch based on your > superior knowledge of the code Jim that would be great. I'm motivated to > have this work because I find using eww-readable-urls to make eww much > more useful for my day-to-day usage (thanks for contributing it!) but I > also heavily use org links which need the document title to work well. It took a bit longer than I thought to do this, but after a few failed attempts, I think this patch is pretty close (aside from the couple of small FIXMEs in there). As a bonus, this implementation is about 4x faster than the old one, since it does all the work in a single pass over the DOM. For large pages, simply computing the readable DOM can take a while; doing it for the Wikipedia page for "Sun" takes a full second. Here are the stats from calling the relevant code before and after (sum of 20 iterations): BEFORE: 20.635833s (15.510534s in 270 GCs) AFTER: 4.320405s (3.041672s in 55 GCs) We could probably make this even faster by doing something more efficient than '(length (split-string FOO))', but one thing at a time. That's how the code was before, so I didn't change that bit. > My current personal workaround is working but I'd like to get a solution > upstream and stop carrying it. If you come up with something you'd like > help testing I'd be happy to help with that. If you can't get to it for > a while I'll make time to poke at it. If the attached changed is too risky for the release branch, I'm open to the idea of doing something like your workaround there, maybe only when 'eww-auto-rename-buffer' is set to 'title'. 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For large > pages, simply computing the readable DOM can take a while; doing it for > the Wikipedia page for "Sun" takes a full second. Here are the stats > from calling the relevant code before and after (sum of 20 iterations): > >   BEFORE:  20.635833s (15.510534s in 270 GCs) >   AFTER:    4.320405s (3.041672s in 55 GCs) > > We could probably make this even faster by doing something more > efficient than '(length (split-string FOO))', but one thing at a time. > That's how the code was before, so I didn't change that bit. I poked around at this and managed to get it down to 0.54s (still the sum of 20 runs), so it's now 38x faster. I'll work on cleaning this up into a real patch and submit it as a separate bug, since that's a pretty significant improvement. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Thanks for all this work Jim, both the header preserving changes and the optimization. I haven't gotten a chance to study the diff you provide earlier in detail or try it out yet, but I did read it carefully enough to get a good sense of how it is supposed to work and compares with the old code. It looks really nice. I'll try to make time to try it out ASAP. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 18 07:31:21 2025 Received: (at 77299) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jun 2025 11:31:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47765 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1uRr0i-0003mv-Ce for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:31:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@gnu.org>) id 1uRr0g-0003al-V9 for 77299@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:31:19 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@gnu.org>) id 1uRr0b-00037E-AK; Wed, 18 Jun 2025 07:31:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=e8e4TPyL5ri+s1w9qEsa3Yh6sLOB7/AS13Ot912/POo=; b=TrJzHu3BQ8PM tl5l5gYw+5gai018Et4Wsevz5lZpUEvxexeBLLIc/1E+1ek9P9QrZ4j6qQK6YhXj4VTGju3T1Uvch p+aB0zI9Glxf+HI/MN4av3OdjHWi+B7f7KLYeKJ9HY5lIRwe5NiKlCDFkAmgDWjCPBWeZ+bjw13yF eNZte0xpTD5wjS/rPF8eXHECqGRaBvePuRBEFWcSFZoCmlRTU01eS4dDPpMx0sU0QBI5RuFR9csoF /vZJgSXobM26xJwwAt318CLgFdZszv8SizaiTv7bxgNKX6yJ4zHeS14I1LxQiCaFPFgpIwwA12wkU OrS02XhpCr5yvPuWjSpYIQ==; Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 14:31:10 +0300 Message-Id: <86msa5mgld.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> To: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4f1f8527-f46b-af4b-3ff3-c7a2e2db5710@gmail.com> (message from Jim Porter on Tue, 17 Jun 2025 09:33:01 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#77299: eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title interaction with eww-readable-urls References: <df113cbb-427a-4508-91db-0b1adc4b6b19@picnicpark.org> <86iknudgsv.fsf@gnu.org> <7ecf1a2b-decb-49f3-b869-9bb4f26f2981@picnicpark.org> <aabea7d5-598c-4899-b182-bebf05bdfff5@picnicpark.org> <274d66da-d91d-821b-b1a5-d40263dd368e@gmail.com> <86jz5igjoa.fsf@gnu.org> <c6025ab2-179e-c848-6d6c-4ffc7f7faccb@gmail.com> <8aadf7a8-e1ed-4a77-b3be-759e7a5b6e41@picnicpark.org> <832d1d64-0751-4928-3a21-4f20f6bb5664@gmail.com> <f54e5436-9aeb-4141-8b70-94a9a880dfd5@picnicpark.org> <4f1f8527-f46b-af4b-3ff3-c7a2e2db5710@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org, camalot@picnicpark.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 09:33:01 -0700 > Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> > > On 6/12/2025 9:47 AM, Keith Amidon wrote: > > If you have the time and interest to write the patch based on your > > superior knowledge of the code Jim that would be great. I'm motivated to > > have this work because I find using eww-readable-urls to make eww much > > more useful for my day-to-day usage (thanks for contributing it!) but I > > also heavily use org links which need the document title to work well. > > It took a bit longer than I thought to do this, but after a few failed > attempts, I think this patch is pretty close (aside from the couple of > small FIXMEs in there). > > As a bonus, this implementation is about 4x faster than the old one, > since it does all the work in a single pass over the DOM. For large > pages, simply computing the readable DOM can take a while; doing it for > the Wikipedia page for "Sun" takes a full second. Here are the stats > from calling the relevant code before and after (sum of 20 iterations): > > BEFORE: 20.635833s (15.510534s in 270 GCs) > AFTER: 4.320405s (3.041672s in 55 GCs) > > We could probably make this even faster by doing something more > efficient than '(length (split-string FOO))', but one thing at a time. > That's how the code was before, so I didn't change that bit. Thanks. > > My current personal workaround is working but I'd like to get a solution > > upstream and stop carrying it. If you come up with something you'd like > > help testing I'd be happy to help with that. If you can't get to it for > > a while I'll make time to poke at it. > > If the attached changed is too risky for the release branch It most definitely is. > I'm open to the idea of doing something like your workaround there, > maybe only when 'eww-auto-rename-buffer' is set to 'title'. That > way, people without that setting don't suffer any performance > penalty. Please show the patch so I could decide whether such a change is okay for emacs-30. 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[76.168.144.128]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d9443c01a7336-237d86103c1sm1162095ad.105.2025.06.19.12.27.51 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Jun 2025 12:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------Tiwyzu3vU91g5Zk4vrBHgNit" Message-ID: <e1a835b7-01dd-5bd0-dffe-c50d8c7da228@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 12:27:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#77299: eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title interaction with eww-readable-urls To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> References: <df113cbb-427a-4508-91db-0b1adc4b6b19@picnicpark.org> <86iknudgsv.fsf@gnu.org> <7ecf1a2b-decb-49f3-b869-9bb4f26f2981@picnicpark.org> <aabea7d5-598c-4899-b182-bebf05bdfff5@picnicpark.org> <274d66da-d91d-821b-b1a5-d40263dd368e@gmail.com> <86jz5igjoa.fsf@gnu.org> <c6025ab2-179e-c848-6d6c-4ffc7f7faccb@gmail.com> <8aadf7a8-e1ed-4a77-b3be-759e7a5b6e41@picnicpark.org> <832d1d64-0751-4928-3a21-4f20f6bb5664@gmail.com> <f54e5436-9aeb-4141-8b70-94a9a880dfd5@picnicpark.org> <4f1f8527-f46b-af4b-3ff3-c7a2e2db5710@gmail.com> <86msa5mgld.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <86msa5mgld.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org, camalot@picnicpark.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------Tiwyzu3vU91g5Zk4vrBHgNit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 6/18/2025 4:31 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Please show the patch so I could decide whether such a change is okay > for emacs-30. How about these patches? 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Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> References: <df113cbb-427a-4508-91db-0b1adc4b6b19@picnicpark.org> <86iknudgsv.fsf@gnu.org> <7ecf1a2b-decb-49f3-b869-9bb4f26f2981@picnicpark.org> <aabea7d5-598c-4899-b182-bebf05bdfff5@picnicpark.org> <274d66da-d91d-821b-b1a5-d40263dd368e@gmail.com> <86jz5igjoa.fsf@gnu.org> <c6025ab2-179e-c848-6d6c-4ffc7f7faccb@gmail.com> <8aadf7a8-e1ed-4a77-b3be-759e7a5b6e41@picnicpark.org> <832d1d64-0751-4928-3a21-4f20f6bb5664@gmail.com> <f54e5436-9aeb-4141-8b70-94a9a880dfd5@picnicpark.org> <4f1f8527-f46b-af4b-3ff3-c7a2e2db5710@gmail.com> <86msa5mgld.fsf@gnu.org> <e1a835b7-01dd-5bd0-dffe-c50d8c7da228@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Keith Amidon <camalot@picnicpark.org> In-Reply-To: <e1a835b7-01dd-5bd0-dffe-c50d8c7da228@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 6/19/25 12:27, Jim Porter wrote: > How about these patches? One for the master branch, and one for emacs 30. I'm afraid I haven't been able to get to trying out either of the patches yet, though the emac30 patch looks trivially correct. I hope to get to it before next Monday. However, I do want to briefly discuss the decision to make the emacs 30 workaround conditional on eww-auto-rename-buffer having the value 'title. This does minimize the situations in which the additional rendering is done, which is desirable. However, I think it will push people who might not have that setting to make it to enable other functionality that doesn't work properly when the title of the web page is unknown. For example, eww-list-histories does not show page titles and org-store-link captures links with unusable link text (because it uses the title). I'm happy to accept that tradeoff as a way of minimizing the risk of the changes to the current release if everyone agrees with it. Thanks again for putting together these fixes. I'm especially looking forward to the improved version for emacs 31! I'll post another update after I've tried that out. 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[76.168.144.128]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d2e1a72fcca58-7490a62157esm910456b3a.99.2025.06.19.20.05.14 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <64b0d32f-ca22-edda-d268-c4b58d0a8dff@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:05:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#77299: eww-auto-rename-buffer 'title interaction with eww-readable-urls Content-Language: en-US To: Keith Amidon <camalot@picnicpark.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> References: <df113cbb-427a-4508-91db-0b1adc4b6b19@picnicpark.org> <86iknudgsv.fsf@gnu.org> <7ecf1a2b-decb-49f3-b869-9bb4f26f2981@picnicpark.org> <aabea7d5-598c-4899-b182-bebf05bdfff5@picnicpark.org> <274d66da-d91d-821b-b1a5-d40263dd368e@gmail.com> <86jz5igjoa.fsf@gnu.org> <c6025ab2-179e-c848-6d6c-4ffc7f7faccb@gmail.com> <8aadf7a8-e1ed-4a77-b3be-759e7a5b6e41@picnicpark.org> <832d1d64-0751-4928-3a21-4f20f6bb5664@gmail.com> <f54e5436-9aeb-4141-8b70-94a9a880dfd5@picnicpark.org> <4f1f8527-f46b-af4b-3ff3-c7a2e2db5710@gmail.com> <86msa5mgld.fsf@gnu.org> <e1a835b7-01dd-5bd0-dffe-c50d8c7da228@gmail.com> <1e571a2d-5812-4de9-a333-b29f2fad4628@picnicpark.org> From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1e571a2d-5812-4de9-a333-b29f2fad4628@picnicpark.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 77299 Cc: 77299@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request@debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 6/19/2025 5:34 PM, Keith Amidon wrote: > However, I do want to briefly discuss the decision to make the emacs 30 > workaround conditional on eww-auto-rename-buffer having the value > 'title. This does minimize the situations in which the additional > rendering is done, which is desirable. However, I think it will push > people who might not have that setting to make it to enable other > functionality that doesn't work properly when the title of the web page > is unknown. Hmm, good point. One possibility would be to add a new user option just for Emacs 30 to enable/disable this workaround. Or maybe we should just accept that we need to render the page twice for now. That's less efficient, but more correct. I don't have a strong feeling on the matter though, so if anyone else does, I'll happily go along with what others suggest.