From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:55 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#771: 23.0.60; Numeric prefix keys (two problems) Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com, 771@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Jay Belanger Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:35:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 771 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12196349116375 (code B ref -1); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 03:35:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Aug 2008 03:28:31 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m7P3SRHc006369 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:28:29 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:41927) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KXSjN-0000Qs-I9 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:27:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXSkh-0000wG-CO for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:26 -0400 Received: from s3.cableone.net ([24.116.0.229]:36020) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXSkg-0000vq-So for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:23 -0400 Received: from belanger (unverified [69.92.109.217]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 4876120-1872270 for multiple; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:28:20 -0700 From: Jay Belanger To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org CC: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:28:19 -0500 Message-ID: <87hc996aek.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 52, in=14, out=0, spam=0 ip=69.92.109.217 X-Originating-IP: 69.92.109.217 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) In the section of the Emacs manual "Numeric arguments", it says: > The easiest way to specify a numeric argument is to type digits > and/or a minus sign while holding down the key. ... > You can also specify a numeric argument by typing `C-u' > (`universal-argument') followed by the digits. The advantage of `C-u' > is that you can type the digits without holding down the key. This sounds to me as if all the prefix digits need to be pressed with the key held down; "M-5 0 x" would print 0 five times, followed by an x. However, "M-5 0 x" will print x fifty times. It was suggested that the former case, which seems to be indicated by the manual, would be useful to enter multiple digits. Perhaps this could be fixed, or the manual could be clarified. Also, in the section "Rebinding Function Keys", it says: ... when `Num Lock' is on, the key labeled `8' on the numeric keypad produces `kp-8', which is translated to `8'; This doesn't work when using the key, M-(kp-8) produces " is undefined". From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:55 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com Subject: bug#771 closed by Chong Yidong (Re: 23.0.60; Numeric prefix keys (two problems)) Message-ID: References: <87zlkvq78u.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <87hc996aek.fsf@gmail.com> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 771 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 771@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1224801303-9216-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1224801303-9216-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #771: 23.0.60; Numeric prefix keys (two problems) It has been closed by Chong Yidong . Their explanation is attached below along with your original report. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Chong Yidong by replying to this email. --=20 771: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D771 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1224801303-9216-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From cyd@stupidchicken.com Thu Oct 23 15:25:21 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 771-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Oct 2008 22:25:21 +0000 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m9NMPIfo007921 for <771-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:25:19 -0700 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3870E57E055; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:25:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Jay Belanger Cc: 771-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Numeric prefix keys (two problems) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:25:21 -0400 Message-ID: <87zlkvq78u.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the bug report, and sorry for the delay. I've checked in fixes for both problems to the manual. ------------=_1224801303-9216-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From jay.p.belanger@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 20:28:31 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Aug 2008 03:28:31 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m7P3SRHc006369 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:28:29 -0700 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:41927) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KXSjN-0000Qs-I9 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:27:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXSkh-0000wG-CO for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:26 -0400 Received: from s3.cableone.net ([24.116.0.229]:36020) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KXSkg-0000vq-So for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:28:23 -0400 Received: from belanger (unverified [69.92.109.217]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 4876120-1872270 for multiple; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:28:20 -0700 From: Jay Belanger To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.0.60; Numeric prefix keys (two problems) Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com CC: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:28:19 -0500 Message-ID: <87hc996aek.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 52, in=14, out=0, spam=0 ip=69.92.109.217 X-Originating-IP: 69.92.109.217 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) In the section of the Emacs manual "Numeric arguments", it says: > The easiest way to specify a numeric argument is to type digits > and/or a minus sign while holding down the key. ... > You can also specify a numeric argument by typing `C-u' > (`universal-argument') followed by the digits. The advantage of `C-u' > is that you can type the digits without holding down the key. This sounds to me as if all the prefix digits need to be pressed with the key held down; "M-5 0 x" would print 0 five times, followed by an x. However, "M-5 0 x" will print x fifty times. It was suggested that the former case, which seems to be indicated by the manual, would be useful to enter multiple digits. Perhaps this could be fixed, or the manual could be clarified. Also, in the section "Rebinding Function Keys", it says: ... when `Num Lock' is on, the key labeled `8' on the numeric keypad produces `kp-8', which is translated to `8'; This doesn't work when using the key, M-(kp-8) produces " is undefined". ------------=_1224801303-9216-1--