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This patch inserts the explicit manual cross-reference. It may be suitable as a documentation patch for the emacs-30 branch, or otherwise for master. Any comments please let me know. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-doc-emacs-trouble.texi-Coding-Standards-Add-manual-r.patch >From 39bd138d5d9fa82649300d2eaa0a6ec42cb73626 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Jeremy Bryant Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:25:03 +0000 Subject: [PATCH] ; * doc/emacs/trouble.texi (Coding Standards): Add manual reference --- doc/emacs/trouble.texi | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi index 2211369b121..dade3e58bf3 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi @@ -1496,7 +1496,7 @@ Coding Standards Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards @url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}. This may also be available -in info on your system. +in info on your system. @pxref{Top,,, standards, GNU Coding Standards} If it doesn't, we'll need to find someone to fix the code before we can use it. -- 2.47.2 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Mar 09 19:25:49 2025 Received: (at 76901) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Mar 2025 23:25:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34962 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1trQ1k-0006zM-Ux for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2025 19:25:49 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-x533.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::533]:44043) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1trQ1h-0006z4-OW for 76901@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Mar 2025 19:25:46 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-x533.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5e6ff035e9aso490587a12.0 for <76901@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 09 Mar 2025 16:25:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741562738; x=1742167538; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3g9v8PZgemijjWZMYw2b27BTyva9xn5YxaYwEWWdw4w=; b=g1qKJR3/9PJy9Mgsa2MtDu0BBhKL8ZuQg29kayGCtjdJU1ihogNWldfXYVVMr5gID9 DntLdmcViIwU5/bfkgfCauEeEuFFg3TGlF+VLWxCHol4FFOUpkAwiD729flq0LK3yxHM 8+MNVAz10bfsKj5Us7ctW2jiEUtrlvkpmjjMLMdvuYwL0rJ/lBAtcfc6S+6OFXvmel61 didyXY3qCvdSNs8UQdNpiF4IcMufirz7Ky5v056RxAMtPKR89PC0v+fql9kpoFlvK+k+ UzmaXsHiHOobo+XWZ8n7RbZCEm6pE63m1mKDtm4vaXn8+3Uo/UpJ7FCY7gp/ofnRfaMt EHug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741562738; x=1742167538; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3g9v8PZgemijjWZMYw2b27BTyva9xn5YxaYwEWWdw4w=; b=OrAK1I/zNFvXt1WP/hTqrelcSYm5daPApIhF/pCiC2FhH15QXjlnzxXxz7gTOb5rAA vXaG7n3w2fn9mnbil6rrG2/mmaDYZSkLPwV3V6FcrZfG0NowYRHyzUoWm/BHlExPg9Nf hPOCLgZCT6e4yChEg6xEujBzRgs+H3zN8gvS6wjxImAFexuGnI5xhATb4lzxRqFZrEkC Tl7QQDXPaJ4HTYcvUdgGzgGa1sbln46SDwJ0wHTaOWLVM4RBhiahIDjjIjtP3emYZwIg o2XH97Kp9v5hvWwIhu8LbFD+ejfnwjmQU2tJkHZeG3DFY6nk1bRuxuxMiZZtsjyS8eoU GaaA== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWob2iJRYJ34jt61tDcOA20hqazVTV/SsXVcwSgzwr8kaI3bcuStaWb32GuaQB5vB7dBQeoCg==@debbugs.gnu.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx4P0pENWH9gYw1gJyUFkU+T7BBRCoBnda+HyqMfe6Iov+Z2UHC OIkzDhIBhCtHONph5Fm9xx7GFfB1cPH7V5BBq2ImPgJ+NmCaguoyKTnhzkTTQWkf/XCgZ1LJw1S MSkBBZrvAKcmkW5ISW1ezC5vWa0k= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnct/j1C/QbnHQl5JAdeqwSUImj8+4z3B48Wucf3Kq/H8dUzC5UyCsEaRLUbnRAv skrt4C3r835stOS0L91BlH1AXwvd29benb958ST6oHd/bViRUC7zEYssxsABfsizA1L0QW5zs8t TbbrB5dnPGcuzi6/jJSlU79FyvJVU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHgdhHD9EH6UaRI8813288yfz1CsgUvGaiWn8oGDYv+6QqbrlDZyWM3HqciGKmz5nCZeNnZf87/cpQTENBPLpw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:51c8:b0:5d0:ed71:3ce4 with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5e5e22a92a6mr13948717a12.6.1741562738060; Sun, 09 Mar 2025 16:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 9 Mar 2025 16:25:37 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87h641zvkw.fsf@jeremybryant.net> References: <87h641zvkw.fsf@jeremybryant.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 16:25:37 -0700 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1Jq2fXdSn1MsthK6xfI5C14LS-119MELpcIDY48eIcssfhKt3OckL4tTU9s Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#76901: [PATCH] ; * doc/emacs/trouble.texi (Coding Standards): Add manual reference To: Jeremy Bryant , 76901@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76901 Cc: Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jeremy Bryant via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" writes: > The Emacs manual suggests that the GNU Coding Standards may be available > locally as an Info manual. > This patch inserts the explicit manual cross-reference. > > It may be suitable as a documentation patch for the emacs-30 branch, or > otherwise for master. > > Any comments please let me know. I would guess that the reason why there is no reference is that most GNU/Linux distributions do not distribute this Info manual, or at least they don'tt by default or with commonly installed packages. It's also never available as a printed manual, AFAIK. I have no opinion on adding such a reference now. Eli, WDYT? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 10 10:56:41 2025 Received: (at 76901) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Mar 2025 14:56:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39192 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1treYb-0002Cu-AX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 10:56:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1treYY-0002Cb-F6 for 76901@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 10:56:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1treYS-0004Z7-O8; Mon, 10 Mar 2025 10:56:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2UJFWuz2j4hkXo05dAQFTg65YOK7wwdFC55p9HVjCRk=; b=iCU4ngd95ssv VUtMyYx4lMCz364i+qvSrmUQTiSGHWhTXzfWZqyYoqUov01lhAYCZmagoDWahk9PkRCbwydOPdYm+ VLbGz+DOYUYmBB97vLR2zoU1up2oml+7otAXdPl5PBVOw2kOiSSoZna8tl0qTVSVFo6J+Crl25EIO s3wl2r4aW4AS+lDWY17mjKZajE7A3AR8a6Ej6oANptE48Cb17MNeirSKoSLosTQCpgObOM082kS2b ZylIxP40gKKpOmvsPSDcGOgaihgKV3hnmJ5IHU+7AAfgwYJHRJqT2aUOaCS5MwS/rH5T7D7+BvFY/ Dh1G4IeSuLtmTI8qjMihVw==; Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2025 16:56:30 +0200 Message-Id: <86wmcxdjdt.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 9 Mar 2025 16:25:37 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#76901: [PATCH] ; * doc/emacs/trouble.texi (Coding Standards): Add manual reference References: <87h641zvkw.fsf@jeremybryant.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76901 Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, 76901@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 16:25:37 -0700 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii > > Jeremy Bryant via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of > text editors" writes: > > > The Emacs manual suggests that the GNU Coding Standards may be available > > locally as an Info manual. > > This patch inserts the explicit manual cross-reference. > > > > It may be suitable as a documentation patch for the emacs-30 branch, or > > otherwise for master. > > > > Any comments please let me know. > > I would guess that the reason why there is no reference is that most > GNU/Linux distributions do not distribute this Info manual, or at least > they don'tt by default or with commonly installed packages. > > It's also never available as a printed manual, AFAIK. > > I have no opinion on adding such a reference now. Eli, WDYT? We have there a reference to the manual in HTML, isn't that enough? In any case, having a URL and then a cross-reference to the Info manuals in the next sentence sounds strange to me. At the very least, we should have there text saying that the manual can be either read on-line in HTML format (with the URL), or locally in Info (with a Info reference), to explain why we have both. 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Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> >> I would guess that the reason why there is no reference is that most >> GNU/Linux distributions do not distribute this Info manual, or at least >> they don'tt by default or with commonly installed packages. Debian GNU/Linux includes it, in the gnu-standards package, which includes both GNU standards and information for Maintainers, available in Info, HTML, PDF. File list of package gnu-standards: /usr/share/doc-base/gnu-standards.gnu-coding-standards /usr/share/doc-base/gnu-standards.gnu-maintainers-information /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/changelog.Debian.gz /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/changelog.gz /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/copyright /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/maintain.dvi.gz /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/maintain.html /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/maintain.pdf.gz /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/maintain.text.gz /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/standards.dvi.gz /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/standards.html /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/standards.pdf.gz /usr/share/doc/gnu-standards/standards.text.gz /usr/share/info/maintain.info.gz /usr/share/info/standards.info.gz AFAICT, other Debian derivatives such as Ubuntu have the same package. The upstream GNU package is gnustandards https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gnustandards Guix also includes gnustandards, which like other Guix packages can be installed on top of any other GNU/Linux distribution. >> >> It's also never available as a printed manual, AFAIK. >> >> I have no opinion on adding such a reference now. Eli, WDYT? > > We have there a reference to the manual in HTML, isn't that enough? IMHO we should try to have GNU documentation available locally, encourage access locally, not just over the web, for the sake of user freedom. There are also practical considerations, such as users on laptops travelling without a network connection. > In any case, having a URL and then a cross-reference to the Info > manuals in the next sentence sounds strange to me. At the very least, > we should have there text saying that the manual can be either read > on-line in HTML format (with the URL), or locally in Info (with a Info > reference), to explain why we have both. I accept that, and attach a revised patch with the changes made. Any further work please let me know. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-doc-emacs-trouble.texi-Coding-Standards-Add-manual-r.patch >From 513fbf407ebea1681637cc38dad1a0cfd91c5552 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Jeremy Bryant Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:25:03 +0000 Subject: [PATCH] ; * doc/emacs/trouble.texi (Coding Standards): Add manual reference --- doc/emacs/trouble.texi | 7 ++++--- 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi index 2211369b121..95860e9f00f 100644 --- a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi +++ b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi @@ -1494,9 +1494,10 @@ Coding Standards @subsection Coding Standards @cindex coding standards for Emacs submissions -Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards -@url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}. This may also be available -in info on your system. +Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards. This manual +is available on-line at @url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}. It +may also be available locally in Info on your system, see @pxref{Top,,, +standards, GNU Coding Standards}. 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[...] > AFAICT, other Debian derivatives such as Ubuntu have the same package. > The upstream GNU package is gnustandards > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gnustandards > > Guix also includes gnustandards, which like other Guix packages can be > installed on top of any other GNU/Linux distribution. That's encouraging. >>> It's also never available as a printed manual, AFAIK. >>> >>> I have no opinion on adding such a reference now. Eli, WDYT? >> >> We have there a reference to the manual in HTML, isn't that enough? > > IMHO we should try to have GNU documentation available locally, > encourage access locally, not just over the web, for the sake of user > freedom. > There are also practical considerations, such as users on laptops > travelling without a network connection. All valid points, of course. > From 513fbf407ebea1681637cc38dad1a0cfd91c5552 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Jeremy Bryant > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 22:25:03 +0000 > Subject: [PATCH] ; * doc/emacs/trouble.texi (Coding Standards): Add manual > reference > > --- > doc/emacs/trouble.texi | 7 ++++--- > 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi > index 2211369b121..95860e9f00f 100644 > --- a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi > +++ b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi > @@ -1494,9 +1494,10 @@ Coding Standards > @subsection Coding Standards > @cindex coding standards for Emacs submissions > > -Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards > -@url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}. This may also be available > -in info on your system. > +Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards. This manual > +is available on-line at @url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}. It > +may also be available locally in Info on your system, see @pxref{Top,,, > +standards, GNU Coding Standards}. LGTM, but let's wait to see what Eli says. > > If it doesn't, we'll need to find someone to fix the code before we > can use it. > -- > 2.47.2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Mar 12 09:22:31 2025 Received: (at 76901) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2025 13:22:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47943 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tsM2Y-0006zl-LE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 09:22:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tsM2V-0006zW-JH for 76901@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 09:22:28 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tsM2N-0001Za-DR; Wed, 12 Mar 2025 09:22:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=OVeHFCUmkYLkcv8Gt+xvbPvwiO+C2n0ht9ksSQYFJSA=; b=PZzD1sVEAvcV RDV8o1Kf/ZrSB7iG9MMJbrJcfBG7dSl/OAmY9qx3yzZlgVQR2GCuc9FvSjviveRgPWPZQxSUzF/eC iwp/iBftFyw4XnzK77cPSngxn67NZBTIzuhEuIPANMA20I/naluS0piy5Ca4laLs7AWk6hfmIMqww b6LZ0134oqPs87YWLhjTeSI+0qcnmSz8I8rQEpEr8eshdBbfpgfgCDhWO1n0YkHaBoqqZSCd7G7TP 89qVz7gj84oONY8rvhlRWRFZWy/H6hsy+HFBU/vl8o0k+dG+2kE5XdhMSMLAQeUuoeaEKDOKckn4H H3DOEFFUYA2K7JHjWgUTxA==; Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 15:22:16 +0200 Message-Id: <868qpa759z.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 11 Mar 2025 19:32:59 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#76901: [PATCH] ; * doc/emacs/trouble.texi (Coding Standards): Add manual reference References: <87h641zvkw.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86wmcxdjdt.fsf@gnu.org> <87bju7yxmr.fsf@jeremybryant.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76901 Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, 76901@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2025 19:32:59 -0400 > Cc: 76901@debbugs.gnu.org > > Jeremy Bryant writes: > > > diff --git a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi > > index 2211369b121..95860e9f00f 100644 > > --- a/doc/emacs/trouble.texi > > +++ b/doc/emacs/trouble.texi > > @@ -1494,9 +1494,10 @@ Coding Standards > > @subsection Coding Standards > > @cindex coding standards for Emacs submissions > > > > -Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards > > -@url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}. This may also be available > > -in info on your system. > > +Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards. This manual > > +is available on-line at @url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}. It > > +may also be available locally in Info on your system, see @pxref{Top,,, > > +standards, GNU Coding Standards}. > > LGTM, but let's wait to see what Eli says. I say LGTM, thanks. 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This may also be available >> > -in info on your system. >> > +Contributed code should follow the GNU Coding Standards. This manual >> > +is available on-line at @url{https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/}. It >> > +may also be available locally in Info on your system, see @pxref{Top,,, >> > +standards, GNU Coding Standards}. >> >> LGTM, but let's wait to see what Eli says. > > I say LGTM, thanks. Thanks, installed on emacs-30 as [1: f729828bcfb]. [1: f729828bcfb] 2025-03-13 ; Add texinfo reference to GNU Coding Standards. https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=f729828bcfbca8e972467ace85dd32744e4dd6de From unknown Sat Jun 14 16:16:42 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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