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31.0.50; server-start with non-nil arg LEAVE-DEAD can write confusing warnings

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From: Jens Schmidt <jschmidt4gnu <at> vodafonemail.de>
To: 76870 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#76870: 31.0.50; server-start with non-nil arg LEAVE-DEAD can write confusing warnings
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2025 16:45:27 +0100

* Original Reproducer

Start an Emacs session A with emacs -Q, start an Emacs server in that
with M-x server-start RET.

Now start another Emacs session B with emacs -Q and evaluate the
following with C-j in its *scratch* buffer:

  (require 'server)
  server

  (unload-feature 'server)
  nil

The call to `unload-feature' results in warnings:

  ⛔ Warning (server): Unable to start the Emacs server.
  There is an existing Emacs server, named "server"
  To start the server in this Emacs process, stop the existing server or call M-x server-force-delete to forcibly disconnect it.


* Simplified Reproducer

Start an Emacs session A with emacs -Q, start an Emacs server in that
with M-x server-start RET.

Now start another Emacs session B with emacs -Q and evaluate the
following with C-j in its *scratch* buffer:

  (require 'server)
  server

  (server-start t)
  nil

You get the same warnings as shown in the original reproducer.


* Analysis

According to the doc string and the implementation of `server-start', a
call

  (server-start t)

with non-nil argument LEAVE-DEAD should just stop a running server.  And
this also works perfectly well when the server is running locally in the
same Emacs session where `(server-start t)' gets executed.

However, if there is an external Emacs server running in an Emacs
session A, then `(server-start t)' from another session B obviously
cannot just stop that server.  However, the warning issued in session B
as quoted above mentions that the server cannot be *started*.

1. So I think in case of non-nil LEAVE-DEAD and a running external
   server, a more appropriate warning would be:

     ⛔ Warning (server): Unable to stop an external Emacs server.
     There is an existing Emacs server, named "server"
     Stop it either in its Emacs session or call M-x server-force-delete to forcibly disconnect it.

2. However, one could also argue that, if there is no local server
   running, a call to `(server-start t)' should be completely silent.
   That is at least what `(server-start t)' does if there is no server
   (neither local nor external) running at all.

3. Or at least it should be silent if called from a non-interactive
   context as shown in the original reproducer.

4. Or at the very least it should be silent if called from
   `server-unload-function'.

Not sure what the "ideal" fix would be here, but I would be happy to
provide patches for any of the scenarios above.

Thanks!


In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 22, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.38, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2025-03-05 built on sappc2
Repository revision: e978737f57ef8447bba5796dd945ac185fcadffa
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