From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:13:00 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#76814 <76814@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#76814 <76814@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 31.0.50; NS initial frame not raised Reply-To: bug#76814 <76814@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:13:00 +0000 retitle 76814 31.0.50; NS initial frame not raised reassign 76814 emacs submitter 76814 Ship Mints severity 76814 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 07 11:57:22 2025 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2025 16:57:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49809 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tqb0k-0007D6-8l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 11:57:22 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:33902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tqb0h-0007Cq-OK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 11:57:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tqb0U-0008Bu-1v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 11:57:09 -0500 Received: from mail-vk1-xa2f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2f]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tqb0S-0004kC-5u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 11:57:05 -0500 Received: by mail-vk1-xa2f.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-523658b61a5so837837e0c.2 for ; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 08:57:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741366623; x=1741971423; darn=gnu.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=G3WSmTZd79QKr9KPMib+ASAothqplLUh19zsW+/9BvQ=; b=dTqTCtut0KfQEoivF9RPPlshjLX9uaKgO/QVVnZTuAw3eR43JltiXFKhrOFl6RpJh5 a0ifo1aTV75VAVMJH7Wzl+nmun8ldE1BRMHTJ0oBDe5aFF79rmaOSw0jEbeBFR5SQLvk PIbdZoJ7tF2VuTdwLGVteSexUvGBKHfK4oJ5Su2eqts5Xqu9cCX09W3nAmrg3/RSnHWa X8T2HKId9Io7eF9ljA1IM6szf+ztq1lMAPcOEYdzbKfUVjLHMbdhn86rcrBcUnMyyHnX WUOqMzbP8iTFBNo4lJSaFAb3l/PP84l7SEIXUDCzpi5euScUkZjtaPMIpJ/LfP/YlyYt XMlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741366623; x=1741971423; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=G3WSmTZd79QKr9KPMib+ASAothqplLUh19zsW+/9BvQ=; b=K2rdTPZ7s7d5/Tpqc8epjyiPWhuIInDIQC5CE82Z7EuQlctZYW2B6t09IvCzTkVN63 VDTHnti+rvW/RvGF2OE/46lMmsavLxCa/MV5mSWSaaXQ5E1Z4/7gODoo9DqCJp/VdNjz w6VUUzv2gk0hyM6TKAgLv8kRwQS1YOS66vgpj6r0Wrlrs9AcNxS9RszfueJs6I1evVpq Edc/sBIPLpKEPJ4kbhx0vx5076v4oZnX3nZdTy8MoqifbCWxnYV9Y8FgOxEhSMgNO+Qt i5vPChaXOgeKdQiu5PshpGmK11J1Extc7hFnzBNFlnm6WFyDqh8iEuTMa549v7bJqw1/ 3lNg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwbVWpmomEmTyOIcxnquFI9wr88F2zyVx8qLx86xsEqIfYw/Xox 0rV3p5yPpDG1z2y/Fi3kdiwx8NZ/N6OBB2kAQs+GB38bilNdxJeszjdUxMX3q2PYeEpcKNFJAkl SLmgxBugdT+LrXKyFrtqDCeB3JYZ4rRa+ X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncvQILtTqJoxr4RM6o10nstThpLf4+ZGgkdI07vnZAvQYVsP9zoVAdYnRa+ysMB GKp9eyG/u107FD1W4p1Dr7BgD25FzA3fbj2/hQbaAtkWaLmpG8E5TR7f3wIkPih8SPVApRQMcJ4 EVK+1vhZj7iY7EerizRuFHlOY06A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFomf0twNAyK5zWLo4C5jlg9qV4YPspvQzuEH+ArrH7V+fCb1p9fJLtIOGMniG/VzyZHh7Xdj9Gn1cPs4d4kyc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:2a16:b0:520:42d3:91c1 with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-523e427a623mr2706225e0c.10.1741366622723; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 08:57:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ship Mints Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 11:56:50 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1JqZ4E-5a1aIeint0-rvNPDUvAielxBdpAanXyNizJKonHN8yJ7xiWeFNRQ Message-ID: Subject: 31.0.50; NS initial frame not raised To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f8b02b062fc382e9" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2f; envelope-from=shipmints@gmail.com; helo=mail-vk1-xa2f.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --000000000000f8b02b062fc382e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" This is a behavior difference from 29 and 30. In my init, I have to manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the new frame using the Mac app switcher. -Stephane In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 50, x86_64-apple-darwin21.6.0, NS appkit-2113.65 Version 12.7.6 (Build 21H1320)) of 2025-03-07 built on tlok.local Repository revision: e35435daf392462440bbc51a5b82d93eea7757c6 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2113 System Description: macOS 12.7.6 Configured features: ACL GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY KQUEUE NS PDUMPER PNG RSVG SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug lisp-mnt message mailcap yank-media puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util text-property-search time-date subr-x mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader cl-loaddefs cl-lib sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils rmc iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize mule-util term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads kqueue cocoa ns lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process tty-child-frames emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 40162 9402) (symbols 48 5348 0) (strings 32 12361 1651) (string-bytes 1 303863) (vectors 16 9682) (vector-slots 8 110223 7824) (floats 8 22 7) (intervals 56 355 0) (buffers 992 11)) --000000000000f8b02b062fc382e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is a behavior difference from 29 and 30.=C2=A0 In my init, I have t= o manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the new fr= ame using the Mac app switcher.

-Stephane

In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 50, x86_64-apple-darwin21.6.0, = NS
=C2=A0appkit-2113.65 Version 12.7.6 (Build 21H1320)) of 2025-03-07 bu= ilt on
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In my init, I have to > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the new > frame using the Mac app switcher. I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from a terminal window. BTW, what is the workaround that you're using? Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API: [main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil]; https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorderfront(_:) Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 07 15:12:54 2025 Received: (at 76814) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Mar 2025 20:12:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50678 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tqe3y-0003OO-Ea for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 15:12:54 -0500 Received: from mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::a2b]:45541) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tqe3v-0003O5-KS for 76814@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 15:12:52 -0500 Received: by mail-vk1-xa2b.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-51eb18130f9so1126916e0c.3 for <76814@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 12:12:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741378365; x=1741983165; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=O9BIihHqf+mnn5nDjtfLov0aj0KngDMvg2ThFhdlr6o=; b=FvLX9Y354Vi1a/xFQq6H7xQWRA7ROormrPW9TMVIvo/oxQZ/2j6InXDh+5318qfIF6 R4x0l3uE6rrQSqNDJpZAfgnnsdrsg2CaxeqzMwpMXedDMx7y/C2qKmxb9sX+mb1JGXfA qvv5ZYzOwjF51jdUIqwIoxFfcAHtD6AaSI8OmORn9UXzkY3fMKAUN7yrIScfM/gEH4nn D7wxAetaKWXHcorSUZ/BXClcS1cddTg2egrk6dxJ45eboG/yDDryVj5G9zpzROYYc7o7 MEYzuDtLCcdsxT+lSVCrGgaXhvG6I1xJn4mbsDJYcDNcsZoEiv6EwLuAiQ76ugemJ03A +8BA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741378365; x=1741983165; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=O9BIihHqf+mnn5nDjtfLov0aj0KngDMvg2ThFhdlr6o=; b=qTecs5iJSimZZPxGU3UhaKwLp4AOOFI4ZQS3gGCwiRf9YDODbIqcxoK4/jxJS37KUZ NqO1GpBT0RBI/qTYh525T8hOGB8PUG1BVMB8mLbDBIUtAydt29GRJWZAXhXPZGnVpAPr IZQGVpU8pbCW5EJc8yO9H0ReN47p687xxg4rBgHlf/jdnWdw7/ZblYrF+N+L9AVWsXr5 UPhr3dwL3laq7AZUJR2Hl+qKK3dguGKyW8BgTPokJcEeHsod/TGsheUPWVuhvM9+Jhgz PYsr1Mkkke8sRjp+SZF8b2dVGBRTcuio87IUMWXjAeNI3XX5bOkX5fnm+1KUscclWn4m YkSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yzc8362jVyAAMiasoIg26plFY1INI54Z90sBEovO/hPvTmSQww9 +b2yi7qhDYdMHhmT059a6uXHiMDs3SjjxCbu4ohGoNiU97/jRaZ39jhqoZlmycArw8eZQ5CJkam mvL5CL5hXXW/VuXJSvqO47oLU94sg3xEw X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctU5YObnZmg7jpub1oUJx9bvgxc9aoaqyYtQ6/C5LzxW0+aToZ78ct48Umw9Bk jBg28a69PkWExWoH9Vp06KJxaUU5KflChRBZUngU8E5ZtgFj1cdyWzP2w4XQTK6kYKC3GHuQ0IT oLOjGosnBeS+poAi1eFIRoYxIg7A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFbWXwhIcrPHslfL9ToJ90R6siowX0LnnZS3dzfC0dLPicdL5hNnoX9c+pLV+mVoKCk4ESTcM7QxH0zGWpvAMI= X-Received: by 2002:a67:e710:0:b0:4c1:91da:dac1 with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4c30a53c3a2mr3557888137.6.1741378365530; Fri, 07 Mar 2025 12:12:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ship Mints Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2025 15:12:34 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1JqRawWGeYalk28U2Qzz8LWn2CTxRDsGpDkWHUMWLIplcYBk8f7lm9vrqXs Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#76814: 31.0.50; NS initial frame not raised To: Stefan Kangas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e5a9d5062fc63ee4" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76814 Cc: Alan Third , 76814@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000e5a9d5062fc63ee4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 3:10=E2=80=AFPM Stefan Kangas wrote: > Ship Mints writes: > > > This is a behavior difference from 29 and 30. In my init, I have to > > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the new > > frame using the Mac app switcher. > > I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from a > terminal window. BTW, what is the workaround that you're using? > > Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API: > > [main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil]; > > > https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorder= front(_ > :) > > Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here? > Pretty much this: (add-hook 'window-setup-hook (lambda () (select-frame-set-input-focus (selected-frame))) --000000000000e5a9d5062fc63ee4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> writes:

> This is a behavior difference from 29 and 30.=C2=A0 In my init, I have= to
> manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the new=
> frame using the Mac app switcher.

I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from a terminal window.=C2=A0 BTW, what is the workaround that you're using?
Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 [main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil];

https://developer.ap= ple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorderfront(_:)

Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here?

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In my init, I have to > > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the new > > frame using the Mac app switcher. > > I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from a > terminal window. BTW, what is the workaround that you're using? > > Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API: > > [main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil]; > > https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorderfront(_:) > > Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here? Not really. I do remember there was a bug report years ago about new frames not being selected correctly. IIRC we never got to the bottom of it... Bug#47731. I'm not sure this is the same thing, but it sounds similar. Why it would suddenly be more of an issue in Emacs 30? 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In my init, I have to > > > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the ne= w > > > frame using the Mac app switcher. > > > > I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from = a > > terminal window. BTW, what is the workaround that you're using? > > > > Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API: > > > > [main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil]; > > > > > https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorder= front(_ > :) > > > > Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here? > > Not really. I do remember there was a bug report years ago about > new frames not being selected correctly. IIRC we never got to the > bottom of it... Bug#47731. I'm not sure this is the same thing, but > it sounds similar. > > Why it would suddenly be more of an issue in Emacs 30? I've no idea. > I just tested my 29.4 and it works fine. I see Gerd added: @interface EmacsView : NSView where 29.4 was: @interface EmacsView : NSView It's not obvious to me why that would matter but that's the most immediate thing that jumps out. --000000000000003b06062fc6d385 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 3:48=E2=80=AFPM Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 08:10:54PM +0000, Stefan Kangas wrote= :
> Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > This is a behavior difference from 29 and 30.=C2=A0 In my init, I= have to
> > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for th= e new
> > frame using the Mac app switcher.
>
> I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from= a
> terminal window.=C2=A0 BTW, what is the workaround that you're usi= ng?
>
> Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil];
>
> https://develop= er.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorderfront(_:)
>
> Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here?

Not really. I do remember there was a bug report years ago about
new frames not being selected correctly. IIRC we never got to the
bottom of it... Bug#47731. I'm not sure this is the same thing, but
it sounds similar.

Why it would suddenly be more of an issue in Emacs 30? I've no idea.

I just tested my 29.4 and it works fine.=C2=A0 I see Gerd added:

=C2=A0=C2=A0@inte= rface EmacsView : NSView <NSTextInput, NSTextInputClient, NSWindowDelega= te>

w= here 29.4 was:

=C2=A0=C2=A0@interface= EmacsView : NSView <NSTextInput, NSWindowDelegate>
=C2=A0
It's not obvious to me why that wo= uld matter but that's the most immediate thing that jumps out.
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In my init, I have to >> > > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the n= ew >> > > frame using the Mac app switcher. >> > >> > I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from= a >> > terminal window. BTW, what is the workaround that you're using? >> > >> > Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API: >> > >> > [main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil]; >> > >> > >> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorde= rfront(_ >> :) >> > >> > Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here? >> >> Not really. I do remember there was a bug report years ago about >> new frames not being selected correctly. IIRC we never got to the >> bottom of it... Bug#47731. I'm not sure this is the same thing, but >> it sounds similar. >> >> Why it would suddenly be more of an issue in Emacs 30? I've no idea. >> > > I just tested my 29.4 and it works fine. I see Gerd added: > > @interface EmacsView : NSView NSWindowDelegate> > > where 29.4 was: > > @interface EmacsView : NSView > > It's not obvious to me why that would matter but that's the most immediat= e > thing that jumps out. > I built master without NSTextInputClient and still the same so that's a red herring. --000000000000204068062fc6e084 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 3:53=E2=80=AFPM Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> wrote:
On F= ri, Mar 7, 2025 at 3:48=E2=80=AFPM Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 07, 2025 at 08:10:54PM +0000, Stefan Kangas wrote:
> Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > This is a behavior difference from 29 and 30.=C2=A0 In my init, I= have to
> > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for th= e new
> > frame using the Mac app switcher.
>
> I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from= a
> terminal window.=C2=A0 BTW, what is the workaround that you're usi= ng?
>
> Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil];
>
> https://develop= er.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorderfront(_:)
>
> Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here?

Not really. I do remember there was a bug report years ago about
new frames not being selected correctly. IIRC we never got to the
bottom of it... Bug#47731. I'm not sure this is the same thing, but
it sounds similar.

Why it would suddenly be more of an issue in Emacs 30? I've no idea.

I just tested my 29.4 and it = works fine.=C2=A0 I see Gerd added:

=C2=A0=C2=A0@interface EmacsV= iew : NSView <NSTextInput, NSTextInputClient, NSWindowDelegate>

where 29.4 was:

=C2= =A0=C2=A0@interface EmacsView : NSView <NSTextInput, NSWindowDele= gate>
=C2=A0
It's not obvious to me why that would matte= r but that's the most immediate thing that jumps out.

I built master without NSTextInputClient an= d still the same so that's a red herring.
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In my init, I have t= o >>> > > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for the >>> new >>> > > frame using the Mac app switcher. >>> > >>> > I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs fro= m >>> a >>> > terminal window. BTW, what is the workaround that you're using? >>> > >>> > Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API: >>> > >>> > [main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil]; >>> > >>> > >>> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandord= erfront(_ >>> :) >>> > >>> > Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here? >>> >>> Not really. I do remember there was a bug report years ago about >>> new frames not being selected correctly. IIRC we never got to the >>> bottom of it... Bug#47731. I'm not sure this is the same thing, but >>> it sounds similar. >>> >>> Why it would suddenly be more of an issue in Emacs 30? I've no idea. >>> >> >> I just tested my 29.4 and it works fine. I see Gerd added: >> >> @interface EmacsView : NSView > NSWindowDelegate> >> >> where 29.4 was: >> >> @interface EmacsView : NSView >> >> It's not obvious to me why that would matter but that's the most >> immediate thing that jumps out. >> > > I built master without NSTextInputClient and still the same so that's a > red herring. > This might be another red herring but it's possible some changes are also related to this claim that macOS dictation broke https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D76765 I tested 29.4 and dictation didn't work for me. I see people on reddit talking about it claiming it worked. I have a feeling they were all using emacs-mac which uses a different code base than GNU Emacs. --000000000000f85815062fc71dfc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Fri, Mar 7, 2025 at 3:57=E2=80=AFPM Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> wrote:
On F= ri, Mar 7, 2025 at 3:53=E2=80=AFPM Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar = 7, 2025 at 3:48=E2=80=AFPM Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org> wrote:
On F= ri, Mar 07, 2025 at 08:10:54PM +0000, Stefan Kangas wrote:
> Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > This is a behavior difference from 29 and 30.=C2=A0 In my init, I= have to
> > manually raise the initial frame to avoid having to search for th= e new
> > frame using the Mac app switcher.
>
> I see this behavior with Emacs 28 and 29 too, when starting Emacs from= a
> terminal window.=C2=A0 BTW, what is the workaround that you're usi= ng?
>
> Looking into this a little bit, I did find this API:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[main_window makeKeyAndOrderFront:nil];
>
> https://develop= er.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nswindow/makekeyandorderfront(_:)
>
> Alan, do you have any ideas or suggestions here?

Not really. I do remember there was a bug report years ago about
new frames not being selected correctly. IIRC we never got to the
bottom of it... Bug#47731. I'm not sure this is the same thing, but
it sounds similar.

Why it would suddenly be more of an issue in Emacs 30? I've no idea.

I just tested my 29.4 and it = works fine.=C2=A0 I see Gerd added:

=C2=A0=C2=A0@interface EmacsV= iew : NSView <NSTextInput, NSTextInputClient, NSWindowDelegate>

where 29.4 was:

=C2= =A0=C2=A0@interface EmacsView : NSView <NSTextInput, NSWindowDele= gate>
=C2=A0
It's not obvious to me why that would matte= r but that's the most immediate thing that jumps out.

I built master without NSTextInputClient and still the same so that= 's a red herring.

This might be an= other red herring but it's possible some changes are also related to th= is claim that macOS dictation broke https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D= 76765

I t= ested 29.4 and dictation didn't work for me.=C2=A0 I see people on redd= it talking about it claiming it worked.=C2=A0 I have a feeling they were al= l using emacs-mac which uses a different code base than GNU Emacs.
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I see people on reddit > talking about it claiming it worked. I have a feeling they were all using > emacs-mac which uses a different code base than GNU Emacs. Could you please add these details to Bug#76765, and also ask the OP for more information regarding which exact build of Emacs 29 he has tested? Thanks in advance. 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I see people on reddit > > talking about it claiming it worked. I have a feeling they were all > using > > emacs-mac which uses a different code base than GNU Emacs. > > Could you please add these details to Bug#76765, and also ask the OP for > more information regarding which exact build of Emacs 29 he has tested? > I asked last week. More than one person complained but the level of information precision is low. --000000000000bcd074063010cc97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 8:40=E2=80=AFPM Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> wrote:
=
Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> writes:

> This might be another red herring but it's possible some changes a= re also
> related to this claim that macOS dictation broke
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi= ?bug=3D76765
>
> I tested 29.4 and dictation didn't work for me.=C2=A0 I see people= on reddit
> talking about it claiming it worked.=C2=A0 I have a feeling they were = all using
> emacs-mac which uses a different code base than GNU Emacs.

Could you please add these details to Bug#76765, and also ask the OP for more information regarding which exact build of Emacs 29 he has tested?
=

I asked last week.=C2=A0 More than one person complained but = the level of information precision is low.
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