From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76629: NS click events don't select right window Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 03:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 76629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 76629@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: "Eshel Yaron via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.174071469113880 (code B ref -1); Fri, 28 Feb 2025 03:52:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2025 03:51:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42455 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tnrPP-0003bo-9c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 22:51:31 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:59724) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tnrPN-0003bB-1L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 22:51:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tnrPG-0000SD-SK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 22:51:22 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tnrPE-0003fQ-RS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 22:51:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:To:From:Sender: Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=TNvqxuX5pfu+QrqRJW2ydvQrsGjhBrKS/ZlCVa87ajA=; b=jfeoSBvNcwWam16Hv1Dyy8NR31 raqYnGFIQ/GnqMTVX2fxk6adLJzsxCbDzWwqT9/8jWOPpXHnVqOxUAaFQRlTipEaqFhZlB5L1RtSp MPVxFFTAQaOtHjAv/HZ+YLPe9UmdfRrNNHLvRedrjXg+dmsTKXoEQeAgiXRL3osuv2n87ybWnco1s oN7dhnkoUVotUYSIQCMZX2mDRkriiIWohm4ff7T7V2cFDT3cykt1cX2V/DCtFJp23SqubnnMq2d2j /g5T0UbpelVCbvwvvCk3gJuRiJ6UOQT+ytrjGvnfrTU8Kyu7ZmuLPcHABCtJM035t3fFzco+nnfvy h1MYVN9g==; Received: from dancol by dancol.org with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tnrP6-001JaO-2C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 22:51:12 -0500 From: Daniel Colascione User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 22:51:18 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Say we have a NS Emacs frame with two windows --- let's say L and R. We select L, then switch to another app on the OS. Then we click on the Emacs window in the area owned by R. I observe Emacs being focused but the selected window being L! If I click in exactly the same spot again, *then* R is selected. But I need two clicks where one should suffice. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76629: NS click events don't select right window Resent-From: Ship Mints Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 21:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Daniel Colascione Cc: 76629@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76629-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76629.174095173910352 (code B ref 76629); Sun, 02 Mar 2025 21:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 76629) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2025 21:42:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tor4k-0002gn-D2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 16:42:18 -0500 Received: from mail-ua1-x929.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::929]:43054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tor4i-0002g9-5F for 76629@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 16:42:16 -0500 Received: by mail-ua1-x929.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-860f0e91121so4518095241.0 for <76629@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 13:42:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740951730; x=1741556530; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6D7bW/1f0SeDawy8dQebabKxp39H+aeLbNu0h+N8Y3k=; b=RtOtsqr5bh+wLg7vjdqGB2BzKzEn/plAJf72yJ5vhcauhUHvbDOmPvbDPlMWHfS2Z8 vKCDjr57kTM6btsvJZUIKru57O2TMHagW4JOVMC+BNgRWLGo3IQtf+hRAKwryD3wvDTs xmdUAbFE4kI87D4G5KKnTLd74CuzwLfVid915QWGXmzPBMT9m2U6U1nzpoBJgnS6l37A SBYsbnAGXGMy+jWa0r2DuCGwUdWD1GvSTifRQGPoLvL9rgWwcRN4i56RqhhBQf85CNA9 C1RF6+/Tnt/9lUxc9hMKlnvsq2gFgJfFDwLh6dI6eWZZdzvqm6hA4rk0WmvUWkiVzX9+ VsqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740951730; x=1741556530; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=6D7bW/1f0SeDawy8dQebabKxp39H+aeLbNu0h+N8Y3k=; b=nDpNqazMzreLRHkApnWCDNPVEu4M1z1uJvqMLis30RoflcqmxcQaFfXJd7JvSQh/Z2 w/Tr+8t58FVbCs8CD1a+FFPwgGoZXtbwi74I9VBcq3e1hUiQju+AR0YN11k6gB39Zq/1 3kMYjUeH8cxC+ZY107ZexZ9Ok0wADnUvSMg1svsVE5xcJvO62OOQtiFls7hHDWPxAj9K AttweH2IAz+8qFm2qeuqZ4ALvchRqf+IGxprfAV/JCqVh9U+g8y13Hy0rSELc7mAOBPO 7XNZPaZ9IypvnJjChHEiLXyHxtWEz35Ui9ZLJluqL5v2PVDMtj+Ybor78wmkkVhfwJEk 7MRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzO2YosRY1r1uUtTyBiImihdiiNqUEDimQ2wr+Jcg9CY4ckVzOW g00FexsZ6CK9uPwqbowHz3/Cln3LsiR2kCUwwyXk1mKIU5mYr5xZ4LPN9OuSG0qQkWbZZvcFUpB wC59ltb66nZ/coihEf97O2trnY9GJtg== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctXg7lAZ1SAxckmq1/Sm2HXE8uxPmn3oPf06DzpSEL6B0kTUP8HCPz01KnlEFL i1l4ZEHOOBm0L9KIIEFDDfRIw9NJomAdMwxvGQnXvO2H6e8c8QG7V1uv3AbN/Pe2FpUzITJbT/+ J+mxmzOEz0/O55z7eu2FjBQ4SKHA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGBeMQ80HNCvwXUKUw6DQw3wIpVNyxtw/mlSvn2nPCdA18XHItkn1wIzOBh5PjsU2k/xwgEXkOSDRfcirwgmi0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:330f:b0:4bb:baa0:370b with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4c0441c6603mr6039114137.7.1740951730237; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 13:42:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ship Mints Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2025 16:41:59 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1JqnEszN1wBPpcMZsIAvVAqNe8lG3LoKpJMZtKVefDR4kJEnt9UBMxLerUY Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000073b7bc062f62e925" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --00000000000073b7bc062f62e925 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the NS builds, both as my production (now 30.1) and from master, and I do not see this behavior. Do you have implied window selection features enabled like focus-follows-mouse or mouse-autoselect-window? Do you use any mac applications or helpers that might be interfering? On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 10:52=E2=80=AFPM Daniel Colascione wrote: > Say we have a NS Emacs frame with two windows --- let's say L and R. > We select L, then switch to another app on the OS. Then we click on the > Emacs window in the area owned by R. I observe Emacs being focused but > the selected window being L! If I click in exactly the same spot again, > *then* R is selected. But I need two clicks where one should suffice. > > > > --00000000000073b7bc062f62e925 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I use the NS builds, both as my production (now 30.1) and from master,= =C2=A0and I do not see this behavior.=C2=A0 Do you have implied window sele= ction features enabled like focus-follows-mouse or mouse-autoselect-window?= =C2=A0 Do you use any mac applications or helpers that might be interfering= ?

On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 10:52=E2=80=AFPM Dani= el Colascione <dancol@dancol.org> wrote:
Say= we have a NS Emacs frame with two windows --- let's say L and R.
We select L, then switch to another app on the OS.=C2=A0 Then we click on t= he
Emacs window in the area owned by R.=C2=A0 I observe Emacs being focused bu= t
the selected window being L!=C2=A0 If I click in exactly the same spot agai= n,
*then* R is selected.=C2=A0 But I need two clicks where one should suffice.=



--00000000000073b7bc062f62e925-- From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76629: NS click events don't select right window Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:07:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ship Mints Cc: 76629@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76629-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76629.174095317519516 (code B ref 76629); Sun, 02 Mar 2025 22:07:01 +0000 Received: (at 76629) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2025 22:06:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37996 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1torRu-00054g-Fp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 17:06:14 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]:43906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1torRp-000546-Qa for 76629@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 17:06:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:CC:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=F3tqz49werX1W5w7P70GFTH17l3giR60rp8XL/AAgCY=; b=d3ZKGp9c2yfFrmPB30yL/mfyOp SuAP7BHyMDmX6USCiDn3uCR2fFH8dvk9QwQ5Tp5FhHLs5qP0cptGCHjLa+AsQqXf2cCaOmulcQ71P 7Di1zxkb3/+Hxn3mF0O7WaeFIt6qk1z/ZPb6dcsS0K7iegVWeVnTzt6Y56ddOHrZ1wCBliPhHBDgq Z/cxj7aP6UfYSgcZ9ahtm06ysF3JQ1xXWvIzAbVkKYb7iQgBDGwCMZnSAuQ2aXdvdXFHM36Fz9Omk HCwWsYw5d2wq+G2FvrBh/Vrr78FI3jtqCiJGKOt/MEm27q5DVNrKbSm2Vr2rYKzgn86/fqUlrRlev ur3FfRSw==; Received: from [2600:1006:b182:5691:0:49:356b:df01] (port=57556 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1torRf-001eW8-1G; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 17:05:59 -0500 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 17:06:06 -0500 From: Daniel Colascione User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On March 2, 2025 4:41:59 PM EST, Ship Mints wrote: >I use the NS builds, both as my production (now 30=2E1) and from master, = and >I do not see this behavior=2E Do you have implied window selection featu= res >enabled like focus-follows-mouse or mouse-autoselect-window? 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Do you have an example of another application you switch to when you see this behavior? I switch to Chrome or another Emacs session or Terminal.app and back and I don't see the issue. The window I last selected remains selected and if I click in any other window, that one is correctly selected. I tried again both with my configuration and on master with -Q and it seems fine. On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Daniel Colascione wrote: > > > On March 2, 2025 4:41:59 PM EST, Ship Mints wrote: > >I use the NS builds, both as my production (now 30.1) and from master, a= nd > >I do not see this behavior. Do you have implied window selection featur= es > >enabled like focus-follows-mouse or mouse-autoselect-window? Do you use > >any mac applications or helpers that might be interfering? > > > > Don't know why you're not seeing it. Apparently macOS is supposed to > behave this way unless you override < > https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nsview/acceptsfirstmouse= (for:)>, > which I have made Emacs do > --000000000000a57031062f637ac2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm on 12.7.6, perhaps this is associated with behavioral changes in= later macOS releases.=C2=A0 Do you have an example=C2=A0of another applica= tion you switch to when you see this behavior?=C2=A0 I switch to Chrome or = another Emacs session or Terminal.app and back and I don't see the issu= e.=C2=A0 The window I last selected remains selected and if I click in any = other window, that one is correctly selected.=C2=A0 I tried again both with= my configuration and on master with -Q and it seems fine.

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On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org> wrote:


On March 2, 2025 4:41:59 PM EST, Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> wrote:
>I use the NS builds, both as my production (now 30.1) and from master, = and
>I do not see this behavior.=C2=A0 Do you have implied window selection = features
>enabled like focus-follows-mouse or mouse-autoselect-window?=C2=A0 Do y= ou use
>any mac applications or helpers that might be interfering?
>

Don't know why you're not seeing it. Apparently macOS is supposed t= o behave this way unless you override <https://developer.apple.com/documentation/appkit/nsvie= w/acceptsfirstmouse(for:)>, which I have made Emacs do
--000000000000a57031062f637ac2-- From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76629: NS click events don't select right window Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 23:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ship Mints Cc: 76629@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76629-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76629.17409567499791 (code B ref 76629); Sun, 02 Mar 2025 23:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 76629) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2025 23:05:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38614 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tosNY-0002Xr-PJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 18:05:49 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]:54534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tosNV-0002XU-1O for 76629@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 18:05:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To: Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=FJvZVn5qdRC1VW9SZtqTsuTp9mW53pCxnnNFxWt86To=; b=RqlZ7acALV3dHMVFi/EpjmR+q+ P9kcQ+DHEXywrS+0odiJqu0ObznE6Es3l0D3NyRHv4nLmDjZlArB8Dfk173tfSgkKU01/XLFUVoZT WckC29vUVRbLocSh10fFHjg+3jAyc5PlX2QB2xdvyQCQ6UPyvQuVy9mVYKHKRy8cgTo1trQtguokQ uDSmtBffxOlbCMmYpB6tKR/7cA6XPTtoseQXBffiFo//hDAnRbLqCH7R9lwLOVT/sevMtdAPLnouj Hs5gg9nlDHKY1lRUwq7Q6bIQVyXIAZADeVLI/vzvM3JEmY4nw/se3Wqmn6jqPIvDhpsKLKXE//s0e ypxsATpg==; Received: from dancol by dancol.org with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tosNK-001ep3-23; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 18:05:34 -0500 From: Daniel Colascione In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 18:05:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Ship Mints writes: Please don't top-post. > I'm on 12.7.6, perhaps this is associated with behavioral changes in later > macOS releases. Do you have an example of another application you switch > to when you see this behavior? I switch to Chrome or another Emacs session > or Terminal.app and back and I don't see the issue. The window I last > selected remains selected and if I click in any other window, that one is > correctly selected. I tried again both with my configuration and on master > with -Q and it seems fine. That's a pretty old version. It's also after EOL, so you're risking security problems by not upgrading. As for the click change ---- who knows? Maybe Apple has changed something. Emacs works fine on master now. 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Do you have an example of another application you switch >> to when you see this behavior? I switch to Chrome or another Emacs session >> or Terminal.app and back and I don't see the issue. The window I last >> selected remains selected and if I click in any other window, that one is >> correctly selected. I tried again both with my configuration and on master >> with -Q and it seems fine. > > That's a pretty old version. It's also after EOL, so you're risking > security problems by not upgrading. > > As for the click change ---- who knows? Maybe Apple has > changed something. Emacs works fine on master now. Thanks, I can confirm that this is fixed by your commit 354598874061ab9ecb9362d7ac4233494b51252b. 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We select L, then switch to another app on the OS. Then we click on the Emacs window in the area owned by R. I observe Emacs being focused but the selected window being L! If I click in exactly the same spot again, *then* R is selected. But I need two clicks where one should suffice. ------------=_1740964803-30828-1-- From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76629: NS click events don't select right window Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2025 01:25:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas , Ship Mints Cc: 76629-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76629-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D76629.1740965093431 (code D ref 76629); Mon, 03 Mar 2025 01:25:03 +0000 Received: (at 76629-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2025 01:24:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40220 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1touY8-00006s-VM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 20:24:53 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]:53456) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1touY6-00006a-22 for 76629-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 20:24:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:CC:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=QbyQu4SBQlRRcNY3Da2vA+C6bxyK0FENNEyoV+2auQg=; b=TVOPkDvaM0l/69RB7plVnRzJc1 dB1opmkoMSojzp6LHUmv+lJ33/aCEaZGd/tZUevXVNZa3bsSeKsgZqHTep/38JUi7fArxWEPJNATO bCwgrWftIqV1BoF+KGHkL5MpLB9JzsNDYiEdn/cXz1Dz/mCHI/XxDqUpYi9L7RDOZ5wJgE54xA5Kh dbPkMFdLsknOv5Rk2O6+FC0ZeXAGl3IQiFhtobj55yB4VVMui6PPD/XShtmvIuPC6sxSvG3An1AwH X6ILHs5UT3hPMeYsMtGIEIucGzA6lmk+LvGQPiyC7n2npyz2ZbrEE8o3wK7Q2ySG1xNG6X/UtGRmv No2FoWbg==; Received: from [2600:1006:b182:5691:0:49:356b:df01] (port=56412 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1touXx-001fal-0E; Sun, 02 Mar 2025 20:24:41 -0500 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2025 20:24:33 -0500 From: Daniel Colascione User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On March 2, 2025 8:18:55 PM EST, Stefan Kangas = wrote: >Version: 30=2E1 > >Daniel Colascione writes: > >> Ship Mints writes: >> >> Please don't top-post=2E >> >>> I'm on 12=2E7=2E6, perhaps this is associated with behavioral changes = in later >>> macOS releases=2E Do you have an example of another application you s= witch >>> to when you see this behavior? I switch to Chrome or another Emacs se= ssion >>> or Terminal=2Eapp and back and I don't see the issue=2E The window I = last >>> selected remains selected and if I click in any other window, that one= is >>> correctly selected=2E I tried again both with my configuration and on= master >>> with -Q and it seems fine=2E >> >> That's a pretty old version=2E It's also after EOL, so you're risking >> security problems by not upgrading=2E >> >> As for the click change ---- who knows? Maybe Apple has >> changed something=2E Emacs works fine on master now=2E > >Thanks, I can confirm that this is fixed by your commit >354598874061ab9ecb9362d7ac4233494b51252b=2E > >I'm therefore closing this bug report=2E Thanks! 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[188.150.186.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2adb3069b0e04-549443be3acsm1252327e87.168.2025.03.03.02.03.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Mar 2025 02:03:58 -0800 (PST) From: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.15\)) Message-Id: <910CEF09-1174-42EE-8686-9BCF7EB0DFC2@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 11:03:57 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.15) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This change appeared on master in 3545988740. Is there really a consensus for this? Click-through does not appear how = (MacOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful for = switching between unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surprising when = clicking on a partially obscured Emacs in order to raise and activate = it. Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this respect? = Or, at least, configurable. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76629: NS click events don't select right window Resent-From: Ship Mints Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2025 12:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Cc: 76629@debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel Colascione Received: via spool by 76629-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76629.174100545827140 (code B ref 76629); Mon, 03 Mar 2025 12:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 76629) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2025 12:37:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45779 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tp53B-00073d-IQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 07:37:37 -0500 Received: from mail-vk1-xa31.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::a31]:46276) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tp538-00072j-6m for 76629@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 07:37:35 -0500 Received: by mail-vk1-xa31.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-51e902b58c0so3755563e0c.0 for <76629@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 04:37:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1741005448; x=1741610248; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=v/9U7Wbo7GmTgYYErqaj+7ez8WomaIkgFkI3EmbwH4A=; b=aktpjeF+i+jIzeCYgwTrv5+Ze85vlGi5eMDPOUauw6IRCxSA/rbREUfIEbNTzQoZUH ZpIhIaWjMcz6tpBd3HTiqn8MLQrwZWUx7QEWkjEr4Z89hZryUO6STzG2a6L0Z5IzMTtH bU5TFmnK5ziKkzbiZ5G1cVpflgO6hMEzkGxFcrkzpvappoKPW0o3GTkdGjdYXRn9V5LX AKE9DIS6QMD5d9b0bcTCJSrYLWNxCqfLoTeQRz0QvsM3NzpNnlgHJhHE/wVlfQZrVOoa YH2POum9+5YVVpYrVc201gkC1fXCVSPWHu0SyDO6RkC8Si7z1Ggq1Jns6G9oyzkn2ycd eEQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1741005448; x=1741610248; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=v/9U7Wbo7GmTgYYErqaj+7ez8WomaIkgFkI3EmbwH4A=; b=R9v505NzCJS3Wv/sYhNiE/m9oxkb3j7Brn5txCih/22y4Nh+OWDlSZ0Y39rbz1Z0Gk qmfAk/6zEn8hfKwZrwMDper/w4EFUYZyzFe/ZG3YUMRa80B1KRUgrwF20dQWRPgqqzN7 H3e8X79CbBk9JqvEdKRjOxnAs0IB5S0onBf2KgXuRVJ7KcyNLxlDw6bs+ff31FmsWscE qXDS+FYoKufz1Imdy0UKe0dIsSzMJU+t4aKprCJQsvNaFRVSMuPtXAJQmpKFoFkQyDId J5vio3n38LXKD61FzgSTxw+jsyw6d2zH8LyjmkGY1kAmLjo4XPMP7YXZXgWJ5ena3AQk rtmw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWioJ802pbr762/s/n1MCNTzSvl9TB0DmA5Hmi0+taVMREMkZImS0T7zlED9hEPzV39KqNzKw==@debbugs.gnu.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy8Cs4Wqa+LKWYUwviYGGH4fuKlsGU+HjDFP+e9wBt1Tnp67ycB IYs9ZY3LeGes1l7UQ3pPXBmQJZpNEh3hI1uZH0vjT/rnDrcjnFnehZSdNHBOuUEXIvgGE6A4G8F YfswflqTz+QPhAN1pX2I9EnrO7/4= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctbPih82rhZmXuvxMnM5iCt3esGTjRVatmikRGqZGjjSTEuPlA6bsSNDhavleI n3DhWAa/N0x7qPmCWGFo8/n3rb/K62d000YCj9brxu8Rir0CoW10jb4WIY5GBi1NLkL4Zih3Mvy f6Evfbh4S7nLv1/axNbifEhX7/Iw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF+pfID7Vkfh3bU0oVM0YfLLIudp9MMdrVdtnZxpj1Cx5mQtasHiJhE9CtcqQundoj38UrPW8YA8Mx2yu1XcYo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:4691:b0:4bb:cbbc:4c with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4c044881d64mr9161605137.2.1741005448363; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 04:37:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <910CEF09-1174-42EE-8686-9BCF7EB0DFC2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <910CEF09-1174-42EE-8686-9BCF7EB0DFC2@gmail.com> From: Ship Mints Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 07:37:17 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1Joe3tDvYS4DrJ6sdN_kcU1NQnlDGKGb-Hpx-tbOjujoDwORvRzoPCDMFQ8 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004d4833062f6f6b20" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000004d4833062f6f6b20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You and I are clearly using Emacs differently. I'd like to observe this behavior myself. Can you describe what you're doing? When you say partially obscured Emacs, what do you mean? Example, I almost always run Emacs with maximized frames (not full screen). I split a frame left and right into two windows L and R as Daniel had. I'll switch to Messages which partially obscures Emacs with. Then back. I almost always do this with the keyboard at least a hundred times per day. I've tried the pointer recently due to Daniel's prompting, but didn't see the issue. -Stephane On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 5:05=E2=80=AFAM Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd < mattias.engdegard@gmail.com> wrote: > This change appeared on master in 3545988740. > > Is there really a consensus for this? Click-through does not appear how > (MacOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful for switching > between unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surprising when clicking on = a > partially obscured Emacs in order to raise and activate it. > > Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this respect? Or= , > at least, configurable. > > > > > --0000000000004d4833062f6f6b20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You and I are clearly using Emacs differently.=C2=A0 I'd like to obs= erve this behavior myself.=C2=A0 Can you describe what you're doing?=C2= =A0 When you say partially obscured Emacs, what do you mean?=C2=A0 Example,= I almost always run Emacs with maximized frames (not full screen).=C2=A0 I= split a frame left and right into two windows L and R as Daniel had.=C2=A0= I'll switch to Messages which partially obscures Emacs with.=C2=A0 The= n back.=C2=A0 I almost always do this with the keyboard at least a=C2=A0hun= dred times per day.=C2=A0 I've tried the pointer recently due to Daniel= 's prompting, but didn't see the issue.

-Stephane=C2=A0

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 5:05=E2=80=AFAM Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
This ch= ange appeared on master in 3545988740.

Is there really a consensus for this? Click-through does not appear how (Ma= cOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful for switching betw= een unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surprising when clicking on a = partially obscured Emacs in order to raise and activate it.

Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this respect? Or, = at least, configurable.




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Click-through does not appear how (= MacOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful for switching be= tween unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surprising when clicking on a pa= rtially obscured Emacs in order to raise and activate it. > > Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this respect? Or= , at least, configurable. IIUC, this is how Emacs used to behave on macOS, so I originally treated this as just a bug fix. That said, I have no objection to making it optional, of course. I also don't have an opinion on what should be the default because: - the historical behavior of Emacs, and similarity to other platforms, seem to speak in favor of having this on by default - being consistent with macOS seems to speak in favor of having it off Please let your voices be heard, if you have a reasoned opinion here. Daniel, could you perhaps look into adding a defcustom for this? 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On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 1:35=E2=80=AFPM Stefan Kangas wrote: > Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: > > > This change appeared on master in 3545988740. > > > > Is there really a consensus for this? Click-through does not appear how > (MacOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful for switching > between unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surprising when clicking on = a > partially obscured Emacs in order to raise and activate it. > > > > Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this respect? > Or, at least, configurable. > > IIUC, this is how Emacs used to behave on macOS, so I originally treated > this as just a bug fix. > > That said, I have no objection to making it optional, of course. > > I also don't have an opinion on what should be the default because: > - the historical behavior of Emacs, and similarity to other platforms, > seem to speak in favor of having this on by default > - being consistent with macOS seems to speak in favor of having it off > > Please let your voices be heard, if you have a reasoned opinion here. > > Daniel, could you perhaps look into adding a defcustom for this? > > > > --000000000000f7dc10062f747d8b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can't reproduce=C2=A0the behavior, so it's hard for me to say.=

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 1:35=E2=80=AFPM Stefan= Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com> writes:

> This change appeared on master in 3545988740.
>
> Is there really a consensus for this? Click-through does not appear ho= w (MacOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful for switching= between unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surprising when clicking = on a partially obscured Emacs in order to raise and activate it.
>
> Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this respect?= Or, at least, configurable.

IIUC, this is how Emacs used to behave on macOS, so I originally treated this as just a bug fix.

That said, I have no objection to making it optional, of course.

I also don't have an opinion on what should be the default because:
- the historical behavior of Emacs, and similarity to other platforms,
=C2=A0 seem to speak in favor of having this on by default
- being consistent with macOS seems to speak in favor of having it off

Please let your voices be heard, if you have a reasoned opinion here.

Daniel, could you perhaps look into adding a defcustom for this?



--000000000000f7dc10062f747d8b-- From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:55 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76629: NS click events don't select right window Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2025 19:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76629 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= , 76629@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76629-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76629.174102956322654 (code B ref 76629); Mon, 03 Mar 2025 19:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 76629) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Mar 2025 19:19:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51984 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tpBJy-0005tJ-OA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 14:19:23 -0500 Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]:56022) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tpBJu-0005t6-8s for 76629@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 14:19:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SvnqImF0ViJR1AZkNeex2avR0F71ZdrVWHOTA7dPKE4=; b=VQYa2MvmBjL7GCYQoEpBAqw7rf tRphsSRXITPMZ9SvFHxw8YW07zneV5ASIoLtM7HeOJ+OYFtIo7X2iMalh6bDhL16zsHeR/3PvHJqT 3cgdCWGZemVzCDzL1FJvRgDorFnVgX0jZBaWhYh1iXg1rtKOT3rln7l1Z9KowC2hrpHKO8OT/13Zt gQAeHewG1pkK/Qk7IOGuofUwKEAN6njQPJwYWJ52kPVap4OPNlF7ZHrfnfZ45UpHjP8x/4j7VzlkI 0LY39Zz3P0VueWtq9DIR5FFL2ORH6zIwt9XMb7mu+l8UoD+PCPjXRigfNzxp8iH8hp/NWcbv18PzO YZW22lAw==; Received: from dancol by dancol.org with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1tpBJj-001k0A-2e; Mon, 03 Mar 2025 14:19:07 -0500 From: Daniel Colascione In-Reply-To: References: <910CEF09-1174-42EE-8686-9BCF7EB0DFC2@gmail.com> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2025 11:19:16 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd writes: > >> This change appeared on master in 3545988740. >> >> Is there really a consensus for this? Click-through does not appear >> how (MacOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful for >> switching between unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surprising >> when clicking on a partially obscured Emacs in order to raise and >> activate it. >> >> Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this >> respect? Or, at least, configurable. > > IIUC, this is how Emacs used to behave on macOS, so I originally treated > this as just a bug fix. > > That said, I have no objection to making it optional, of course. > > I also don't have an opinion on what should be the default because: > - the historical behavior of Emacs, and similarity to other platforms, > seem to speak in favor of having this on by default > - being consistent with macOS seems to speak in favor of having it off The situation seems a bit more nuanced than a choice of "on" or "off". I think the concept is that you're supposed to enable click-through for "utility" items (like toolbar buttons) and for document *selection*, but require a second click for interaction with documents. You can see this behavior in Chrome. Start it up, go to a web page, then give some other app focus. When Chrome is no longer focused, click its page reload button. The page will reload immediately. Now switch focus again, and this time click a link on the page. The click just focuses and raises the Chrome window. You have to click a second time to follow the link. It looks like Apple's put a lot of thought into the click-through model. If we're going to follow the same pattern, we should use click-through for toolbar buttons, mode-line stuff, and so on, but not for window interaction. A non-focused click on an Emacs window should *select* the window but not execute any special commands in that window, e.g. following links, expanding headers, and so on. It probably shouldn't move point either. Others have been tripped up by this too: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/24634 We might be able to implement this model by letting the first click go through only if it resolves to some command that has a new ns-first-click-capable property or interactive spec or something. That's a lot of work, so I'd rather just have an on/off toggle right now with a todo. I'd prefer to default the setting to on, since Emacs is more convenient to use this way. > Please let your voices be heard, if you have a reasoned opinion here. > > Daniel, could you perhaps look into adding a defcustom for this? Sure. 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[...] > That's a lot of work, so I'd rather just have an on/off toggle right now > with a todo. I'd prefer to default the setting to on, since Emacs is > more convenient to use this way. Thanks for taking the time to look into this properly. If no one will volunteer to implement the more involved version, I agree that a defcustom is the best we can do for now. >> Please let your voices be heard, if you have a reasoned opinion here. >> >> Daniel, could you perhaps look into adding a defcustom for this? > > Sure. Thanks! 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Click-through does not appear > >> how (MacOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful for > >> switching between unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surprising > >> when clicking on a partially obscured Emacs in order to raise and > >> activate it. > >> > >> Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this > >> respect? Or, at least, configurable. > > > > IIUC, this is how Emacs used to behave on macOS, so I originally treate= d > > this as just a bug fix. > > > > That said, I have no objection to making it optional, of course. > > > > I also don't have an opinion on what should be the default because: > > - the historical behavior of Emacs, and similarity to other platforms, > > seem to speak in favor of having this on by default > > - being consistent with macOS seems to speak in favor of having it off > > The situation seems a bit more nuanced than a choice of "on" or "off". > I think the concept is that you're supposed to enable click-through for > "utility" items (like toolbar buttons) and for document *selection*, but > require a second click for interaction with documents. > > You can see this behavior in Chrome. Start it up, go to a web page, > then give some other app focus. When Chrome is no longer focused, click > its page reload button. The page will reload immediately. Now switch > focus again, and this time click a link on the page. The click just > focuses and raises the Chrome window. You have to click a second time > to follow the link. > > It looks like Apple's put a lot of thought into the click-through model. > If we're going to follow the same pattern, we should use click-through > for toolbar buttons, mode-line stuff, and so on, but not for window > interaction. A non-focused click on an Emacs window should *select* the > window but not execute any special commands in that window, > e.g. following links, expanding headers, and so on. It probably > shouldn't move point either. > > Others have been tripped up by this too: > https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/24634 > > We might be able to implement this model by letting the first click go > through only if it resolves to some command that has a new > ns-first-click-capable property or interactive spec or something. > > That's a lot of work, so I'd rather just have an on/off toggle right now > with a todo. I'd prefer to default the setting to on, since Emacs is > more convenient to use this way. > > > Please let your voices be heard, if you have a reasoned opinion here. > > > > Daniel, could you perhaps look into adding a defcustom for this? > > Sure. > To observe this behavior, I was supposed to click not in a text window but on some other UI control? --000000000000835b9b062f756448 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 2:21=E2=80=AFPM Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org> wrote:
<= div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container">
Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> This change appeared on master in 3545988740.
>>
>> Is there really a consensus for this? Click-through does not appea= r
>> how (MacOS) applications work in general. While it seems useful fo= r
>> switching between unobscured Emacs windows, it's a bit surpris= ing
>> when clicking on a partially obscured Emacs in order to raise and<= br> >> activate it.
>>
>> Is there a way to make the behaviour more conditional in this
>> respect? Or, at least, configurable.
>
> IIUC, this is how Emacs used to behave on macOS, so I originally treat= ed
> this as just a bug fix.
>
> That said, I have no objection to making it optional, of course.
>
> I also don't have an opinion on what should be the default because= :
> - the historical behavior of Emacs, and similarity to other platforms,=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0seem to speak in favor of having this on by default
> - being consistent with macOS seems to speak in favor of having it off=

The situation seems a bit more nuanced than a choice of "on" or &= quot;off".
I think the concept is that you're supposed to enable click-through for=
"utility" items (like toolbar buttons) and for document *selectio= n*, but
require a second click for interaction with documents.

You can see this behavior in Chrome.=C2=A0 Start it up, go to a web page, then give some other app focus.=C2=A0 When Chrome is no longer focused, cli= ck
its page reload button.=C2=A0 The page will reload immediately.=C2=A0 Now s= witch
focus again, and this time click a link on the page.=C2=A0 The click just focuses and raises the Chrome window.=C2=A0 You have to click a second time=
to follow the link.

It looks like Apple's put a lot of thought into the click-through model= .
If we're going to follow the same pattern, we should use click-through<= br> for toolbar buttons, mode-line stuff, and so on, but not for window
interaction.=C2=A0 A non-focused click on an Emacs window should *select* t= he
window but not execute any special commands in that window,
e.g. following links, expanding headers, and so on.=C2=A0 It probably
shouldn't move point either.

Others have been tripped up by this too:
https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/24634=

We might be able to implement this model by letting the first click go
through only if it resolves to some command that has a new
ns-first-click-capable property or interactive spec or something.

That's a lot of work, so I'd rather just have an on/off toggle righ= t now
with a todo.=C2=A0 I'd prefer to default the setting to on, since Emacs= is
more convenient to use this way.

> Please let your voices be heard, if you have a reasoned opinion here.<= br> >
> Daniel, could you perhaps look into adding a defcustom for this?

Sure.

To observe thi= s=C2= =A0behavior, I was supposed to click not in a text window but on som= e other UI=C2= =A0control?
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