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30.1; Question regarding eln-cache

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From: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 10:55:36 -0300

This is not a bug, more of a question.

I noticed the addition of `comp-native-version-dir' and found it nice
to be there.

I currently have a workflow where I use the same (but not at the same
time) emacs config from a network folder for both macos (arm
architecture) and debian (x64).

In my config I manually set the name of the folders `eln-cache` to be
something like `eln-cache-machine1` and `eln-cache-machine2`.

Since 30.1 became released, the `comp-native-version-dir' is added to
organize the subfolder.

Does it create this magic number taking in consideration also the
machine architecture? If not, could we make
distinctions between architectures when creating the sub-folders?

If I use the same pre-compiled binaries, will this number be the same on
both machines?

I tried to collect some of this info on #emacs <at> Libera.Chat, confusion
was everywhere, we couldn't conclude anything. Could Emacs maintainers
provide us with a little bit more info or where to find it?

Thanks!




In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38,
 cairo version 1.16.0) of 2025-02-24 built on debian
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)

Configured using:
 'configure --with-native-compilation=aot --with-tree-sitter --with-gif
 --with-png --with-jpeg --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-imagemagick
 --with-pgtk --with-mailutils'

Configured features:
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NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3
THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM GTK3 ZLIB

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  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t

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Message #8 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 09:08:40 -0500

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

It should be sufficient to differentiate by architecture, not by host.
'comp-native-version-dir' is used internally by Emacs and I don't think you
need to reference it.

I think you asked this on reddit and seemed satisfied with this response
https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1hgjra6/comment/m3i486t/ which
seems to suffice for your use case.

-Stephane

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 8:57 AM Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> This is not a bug, more of a question.
>
> I noticed the addition of `comp-native-version-dir' and found it nice
> to be there.
>
> I currently have a workflow where I use the same (but not at the same
> time) emacs config from a network folder for both macos (arm
> architecture) and debian (x64).
>
> In my config I manually set the name of the folders `eln-cache` to be
> something like `eln-cache-machine1` and `eln-cache-machine2`.
>
> Since 30.1 became released, the `comp-native-version-dir' is added to
> organize the subfolder.
>
> Does it create this magic number taking in consideration also the
> machine architecture? If not, could we make
> distinctions between architectures when creating the sub-folders?
>
> If I use the same pre-compiled binaries, will this number be the same on
> both machines?
>
> I tried to collect some of this info on #emacs <at> Libera.Chat, confusion
> was everywhere, we couldn't conclude anything. Could Emacs maintainers
> provide us with a little bit more info or where to find it?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
> In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38,
>  cairo version 1.16.0) of 2025-02-24 built on debian
> System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
>
> Configured using:
>  'configure --with-native-compilation=aot --with-tree-sitter --with-gif
>  --with-png --with-jpeg --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-imagemagick
>  --with-pgtk --with-mailutils'
>
> Configured features:
> ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ
> IMAGEMAGICK JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 MODULES
> NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3
> THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM GTK3 ZLIB
>
> Important settings:
>   value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
>   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>
> Major mode: Dashboard
>
> Minor modes in effect:
>   emms-mode-line-mode: t
>   emms-playing-time-display-mode: t
>   emms-playing-time-mode: t
>   diff-hl-margin-mode: t
>   diff-hl-flydiff-mode: t
>   global-diff-hl-mode: t
>   treemacs-project-follow-mode: t
>   treemacs-filewatch-mode: t
>   treemacs-follow-mode: t
>   treemacs-git-mode: t
>   treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t
>   recentf-mode: t
>   which-key-mode: t
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>   vertico-mode: t
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>   evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
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>   evil-matchit-mode: t
>   global-evil-surround-mode: t
>   evil-surround-mode: t
>   evil-mode: t
>   evil-local-mode: t
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>   async-bytecomp-package-mode: t
>   persp-mode-project-bridge-mode: t
>   persp-mode: t
>   global-ligature-mode: t
>   ligature-mode: t
>   nerd-icons-completion-mode: t
>   marginalia-mode: t
>   corfu-popupinfo-mode: t
>   global-corfu-mode: t
>   corfu-mode: t
>   override-global-mode: t
>   xterm-mouse-mode: t
>   winner-mode: t
>   savehist-mode: t
>   save-place-mode: t
>   pixel-scroll-precision-mode: t
>   global-auto-revert-mode: t
>   delete-selection-mode: t
>   global-eldoc-mode: t
>   show-paren-mode: t
>   electric-indent-mode: t
>   mouse-wheel-mode: t
>   file-name-shadow-mode: t
>   global-font-lock-mode: t
>   font-lock-mode: t
>   minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
>   buffer-read-only: t
>   column-number-mode: t
>   line-number-mode: t
>   transient-mark-mode: t
>   auto-composition-mode: t
>   auto-encryption-mode: t
>   auto-compression-mode: t
>
> Load-path shadows:
> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-20250222.1912/transient hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/transient
> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/modus-themes-20250220.647/theme-loaddefs hides
> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/theme-loaddefs
>
> Features:
> (shadow mail-extr emacsbug help-fns radix-tree evil-collection-emms
> emms-idapi-browser emms-idapi emms-idapi-musicbrainz emms-mpris dbus
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> emms-i18n emms-history emms-score emms-stream-info
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> nerd-icons nerd-icons-faces nerd-icons-data nerd-icons-data-mdicon
> nerd-icons-data-flicon nerd-icons-data-codicon nerd-icons-data-devicon
> nerd-icons-data-sucicon nerd-icons-data-wicon nerd-icons-data-faicon
> nerd-icons-data-powerline nerd-icons-data-octicon
> nerd-icons-data-pomicon nerd-icons-data-ipsicon ibuffer-project project
> ibuf-ext ibuffer ibuffer-loaddefs comp comp-cstr cl-extra help-mode
> warnings comp-run comp-common rx flymake-eslint marginalia
> corfu-popupinfo corfu cape compat server pinentry
> modus-vivendi-tinted-theme modus-themes cus-edit pp wid-edit time
> auth-source-pass bind-key xt-mouse winner savehist saveplace
> pixel-scroll cua-base autorevert filenotify desktop frameset so-long
> delsel grep compile text-property-search comint ansi-osc ansi-color ring
> cus-load 0x0-autoloads add-node-modules-path-autoloads
> apheleia-autoloads easy-mmode breadcrumb-autoloads cape-autoloads
> catppuccin-theme-autoloads colorful-mode-autoloads corfu-autoloads
> dashboard-autoloads diff-hl-autoloads dired-subtree-autoloads
> dired-hacks-utils-autoloads diredfl-autoloads docker-autoloads
> dockerfile-mode-autoloads doom-modeline-autoloads dotenv-mode-autoloads
> eat-autoloads eldoc-box-autoloads elfeed-tube-mpv-autoloads
> elfeed-tube-autoloads aio-autoloads elfeed-autoloads ellama-autoloads
> embark-consult-autoloads consult-autoloads embark-autoloads
> emms-autoloads erc-hl-nicks-autoloads
> eshell-syntax-highlighting-autoloads eshell-z-autoloads
> evil-collection-autoloads annalist-autoloads evil-matchit-autoloads
> evil-surround-autoloads exec-path-from-shell-autoloads
> expand-region-autoloads flymake-eslint-autoloads forge-autoloads
> closql-autoloads emacsql-autoloads geiser-guile-autoloads
> geiser-autoloads gh-md-autoloads ghub-autoloads
> git-timemachine-autoloads handlebars-mode-autoloads hl-todo-autoloads
> ibuffer-project-autoloads indent-guide-autoloads js-pkg-mode-autoloads
> khalel-autoloads kkp-autoloads ligature-autoloads llm-autoloads
> lsp-tailwindcss-autoloads lsp-mode-autoloads magit-stats-autoloads
> marginalia-autoloads markdown-mode-autoloads modus-themes-autoloads
> mpv-autoloads nerd-icons-completion-autoloads nerd-icons-corfu-autoloads
> nerd-icons-dired-autoloads nerd-icons-ibuffer-autoloads
> olivetti-autoloads orderless-autoloads org-modern-autoloads
> org-ros-autoloads package-lint-autoloads
> persp-mode-project-bridge-autoloads persp-mode-autoloads
> pinentry-autoloads plz-event-source-autoloads plz-media-type-autoloads
> plz-autoloads polymode-autoloads proced-narrow-autoloads
> pulsar-autoloads pyvenv-autoloads rainbow-delimiters-autoloads
> ready-player-autoloads sass-mode-autoloads haml-mode-autoloads
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> treemacs-autoloads cfrs-autoloads posframe-autoloads ht-autoloads
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> undo-tree-autoloads queue-autoloads vc-msg-autoloads popup-autoloads
> vdirel-autoloads helm-autoloads helm-core-autoloads async-autoloads
> org-vcard-autoloads verb-autoloads vertico-autoloads web-mode-autoloads
> wfnames-autoloads wgrep-autoloads info with-editor-autoloads
> xclip-autoloads xterm-color-autoloads yaml-autoloads yaml-mode-autoloads
> yeetube-autoloads package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy
> url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file
> url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq
> eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt
> gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib early-init rmc
> iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook
> vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/pgtk-win pgtk-win
> term/common-win touch-screen pgtk-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image
> regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode
> prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu
> timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core
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> theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties
> overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
> hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify
> dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo gtk pgtk
> lcms2 multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process native-compile emacs)
>
> Memory information:
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Message #11 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
To: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:16:23 -0300

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I totally forgot to see this later. Thanks for pointing it Ship Mints, my
bad!

I am curious if I could simply drop any `eln-cache` hacks from my user
config and rely solely on the new internals
(in my case:   ~/emacs/.emacs.d/eln-cache/30.1-a9997e26).


Em qua., 26 de fev. de 2025 às 11:08, Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
escreveu:

> It should be sufficient to differentiate by architecture, not by host.
> 'comp-native-version-dir' is used internally by Emacs and I don't think you
> need to reference it.
>
> I think you asked this on reddit and seemed satisfied with this response
> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1hgjra6/comment/m3i486t/ which
> seems to suffice for your use case.
>
> -Stephane
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 8:57 AM Rahul Martim Juliato <
> rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> This is not a bug, more of a question.
>>
>> I noticed the addition of `comp-native-version-dir' and found it nice
>> to be there.
>>
>> I currently have a workflow where I use the same (but not at the same
>> time) emacs config from a network folder for both macos (arm
>> architecture) and debian (x64).
>>
>> In my config I manually set the name of the folders `eln-cache` to be
>> something like `eln-cache-machine1` and `eln-cache-machine2`.
>>
>> Since 30.1 became released, the `comp-native-version-dir' is added to
>> organize the subfolder.
>>
>> Does it create this magic number taking in consideration also the
>> machine architecture? If not, could we make
>> distinctions between architectures when creating the sub-folders?
>>
>> If I use the same pre-compiled binaries, will this number be the same on
>> both machines?
>>
>> I tried to collect some of this info on #emacs <at> Libera.Chat, confusion
>> was everywhere, we couldn't conclude anything. Could Emacs maintainers
>> provide us with a little bit more info or where to find it?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38,
>>  cairo version 1.16.0) of 2025-02-24 built on debian
>> System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
>>
>> Configured using:
>>  'configure --with-native-compilation=aot --with-tree-sitter --with-gif
>>  --with-png --with-jpeg --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-imagemagick
>>  --with-pgtk --with-mailutils'
>>
>> Configured features:
>> ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ
>> IMAGEMAGICK JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 MODULES
>> NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3
>> THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM GTK3 ZLIB
>>
>> Important settings:
>>   value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
>>   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>>
>> Major mode: Dashboard
>>
>> Minor modes in effect:
>>   emms-mode-line-mode: t
>>   emms-playing-time-display-mode: t
>>   emms-playing-time-mode: t
>>   diff-hl-margin-mode: t
>>   diff-hl-flydiff-mode: t
>>   global-diff-hl-mode: t
>>   treemacs-project-follow-mode: t
>>   treemacs-filewatch-mode: t
>>   treemacs-follow-mode: t
>>   treemacs-git-mode: t
>>   treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t
>>   recentf-mode: t
>>   which-key-mode: t
>>   global-treesit-auto-mode: t
>>   vertico-mode: t
>>   global-evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
>>   evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
>>   global-evil-matchit-mode: t
>>   evil-matchit-mode: t
>>   global-evil-surround-mode: t
>>   evil-surround-mode: t
>>   evil-mode: t
>>   evil-local-mode: t
>>   pulsar-global-mode: t
>>   pulsar-mode: t
>>   global-undo-tree-mode: t
>>   undo-tree-mode: t
>>   async-bytecomp-package-mode: t
>>   persp-mode-project-bridge-mode: t
>>   persp-mode: t
>>   global-ligature-mode: t
>>   ligature-mode: t
>>   nerd-icons-completion-mode: t
>>   marginalia-mode: t
>>   corfu-popupinfo-mode: t
>>   global-corfu-mode: t
>>   corfu-mode: t
>>   override-global-mode: t
>>   xterm-mouse-mode: t
>>   winner-mode: t
>>   savehist-mode: t
>>   save-place-mode: t
>>   pixel-scroll-precision-mode: t
>>   global-auto-revert-mode: t
>>   delete-selection-mode: t
>>   global-eldoc-mode: t
>>   show-paren-mode: t
>>   electric-indent-mode: t
>>   mouse-wheel-mode: t
>>   file-name-shadow-mode: t
>>   global-font-lock-mode: t
>>   font-lock-mode: t
>>   minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
>>   buffer-read-only: t
>>   column-number-mode: t
>>   line-number-mode: t
>>   transient-mark-mode: t
>>   auto-composition-mode: t
>>   auto-encryption-mode: t
>>   auto-compression-mode: t
>>
>> Load-path shadows:
>> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-20250222.1912/transient hides
>> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/transient
>> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/modus-themes-20250220.647/theme-loaddefs hides
>> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/theme-loaddefs
>>
>> Features:
>> (shadow mail-extr emacsbug help-fns radix-tree evil-collection-emms
>> emms-idapi-browser emms-idapi emms-idapi-musicbrainz emms-mpris dbus
>> emms-librefm-stream xml emms-librefm-scrobbler emms-playlist-limit
>> emms-i18n emms-history emms-score emms-stream-info
>> emms-metaplaylist-mode emms-bookmarks emms-cue emms-mode-line-icon
>> emms-browser sort emms-volume emms-volume-sndioctl emms-volume-mixerctl
>> emms-volume-pulse emms-volume-amixer emms-playlist-sort emms-last-played
>> emms-player-xine emms-player-mpd tq emms-lyrics emms-url emms-streams
>> emms-show-all emms-tag-editor format-spec emms-tag-tracktag emms-mark
>> emms-mode-line emms-cache emms-info-native emms-info-native-spc
>> emms-info-native-mp3 emms-info-native-ogg emms-info-native-opus
>> emms-info-native-flac emms-info-native-vorbis bindat emms-info-exiftool
>> emms-info-tinytag emms-info-metaflac emms-info-opusinfo
>> emms-info-ogginfo emms-info-mp3info emms-playlist-mode emms-player-vlc
>> emms-player-mpv emms-playing-time emms-info emms-later-do
>> emms-player-mplayer emms-player-simple emms-source-playlist
>> emms-source-file locate emms-setup emms emms-compat
>> evil-collection-wgrep wgrep evil-collection-diff-hl diff-hl-margin
>> diff-hl-dired diff-hl-flydiff diff-hl evil-collection-log-view log-view
>> evil-collection-vc-dir vc-dir ewoc evil-collection-log-edit log-edit
>> message sendmail yank-media puny evil-collection-dired nerd-icons-dired
>> dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec evil-collection-epa epa derived
>> epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode
>> mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums mail-prsvr
>> mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader pcvs-util add-log vc
>> vc-dispatcher evil-collection-diff-mode diff-mode track-changes
>> orderless cursor-sensor treemacs-nerd-icons treemacs-evil
>> treemacs-project-follow-mode treemacs treemacs-header-line
>> treemacs-compatibility treemacs-mode treemacs-interface
>> treemacs-persistence treemacs-filewatch-mode treemacs-follow-mode
>> treemacs-rendering treemacs-annotations treemacs-async
>> treemacs-workspaces treemacs-dom treemacs-visuals
>> treemacs-fringe-indicator treemacs-faces treemacs-icons treemacs-scope
>> treemacs-themes treemacs-core-utils pfuture inline hl-line ht
>> treemacs-logging treemacs-customization treemacs-macros s dash
>> evil-collection-dashboard dashboard dashboard-widgets mule-util ffap
>> private recentf tree-widget evil-collection-which-key which-key
>> treesit-auto treesit evil-collection-vertico vertico
>> evil-collection-unimpaired evil-collection-tabulated-list
>> evil-collection-tab-bar evil-collection-so-long evil-collection-simple
>> evil-collection-replace evil-collection-process-menu
>> evil-collection-package-menu evil-collection-minibuffer
>> evil-collection-kmacro evil-collection-info evil-collection-indent
>> evil-collection-ibuffer evil-collection-help evil-collection-grep
>> evil-collection-elisp-mode evil-collection-eldoc evil-collection-custom
>> evil-collection-corfu evil-collection-compile evil-collection-comint
>> evil-collection-buff-menu evil-matchit evil-matchit-evil-setup
>> evil-matchit-sdk semantic/lex semantic/fw mode-local find-func
>> evil-surround evil-collection annalist evil evil-integration evil-maps
>> evil-commands reveal evil-jumps evil-command-window evil-types
>> evil-search evil-ex evil-macros evil-repeat evil-states evil-core
>> evil-common thingatpt rect evil-vars edmacro kmacro pulsar pulse color
>> undo-tree diff queue async-bytecomp async persp-mode-project-bridge
>> persp-mode ligature lemacs-init nerd-icons-ibuffer nerd-icons-completion
>> nerd-icons nerd-icons-faces nerd-icons-data nerd-icons-data-mdicon
>> nerd-icons-data-flicon nerd-icons-data-codicon nerd-icons-data-devicon
>> nerd-icons-data-sucicon nerd-icons-data-wicon nerd-icons-data-faicon
>> nerd-icons-data-powerline nerd-icons-data-octicon
>> nerd-icons-data-pomicon nerd-icons-data-ipsicon ibuffer-project project
>> ibuf-ext ibuffer ibuffer-loaddefs comp comp-cstr cl-extra help-mode
>> warnings comp-run comp-common rx flymake-eslint marginalia
>> corfu-popupinfo corfu cape compat server pinentry
>> modus-vivendi-tinted-theme modus-themes cus-edit pp wid-edit time
>> auth-source-pass bind-key xt-mouse winner savehist saveplace
>> pixel-scroll cua-base autorevert filenotify desktop frameset so-long
>> delsel grep compile text-property-search comint ansi-osc ansi-color ring
>> cus-load 0x0-autoloads add-node-modules-path-autoloads
>> apheleia-autoloads easy-mmode breadcrumb-autoloads cape-autoloads
>> catppuccin-theme-autoloads colorful-mode-autoloads corfu-autoloads
>> dashboard-autoloads diff-hl-autoloads dired-subtree-autoloads
>> dired-hacks-utils-autoloads diredfl-autoloads docker-autoloads
>> dockerfile-mode-autoloads doom-modeline-autoloads dotenv-mode-autoloads
>> eat-autoloads eldoc-box-autoloads elfeed-tube-mpv-autoloads
>> elfeed-tube-autoloads aio-autoloads elfeed-autoloads ellama-autoloads
>> embark-consult-autoloads consult-autoloads embark-autoloads
>> emms-autoloads erc-hl-nicks-autoloads
>> eshell-syntax-highlighting-autoloads eshell-z-autoloads
>> evil-collection-autoloads annalist-autoloads evil-matchit-autoloads
>> evil-surround-autoloads exec-path-from-shell-autoloads
>> expand-region-autoloads flymake-eslint-autoloads forge-autoloads
>> closql-autoloads emacsql-autoloads geiser-guile-autoloads
>> geiser-autoloads gh-md-autoloads ghub-autoloads
>> git-timemachine-autoloads handlebars-mode-autoloads hl-todo-autoloads
>> ibuffer-project-autoloads indent-guide-autoloads js-pkg-mode-autoloads
>> khalel-autoloads kkp-autoloads ligature-autoloads llm-autoloads
>> lsp-tailwindcss-autoloads lsp-mode-autoloads magit-stats-autoloads
>> marginalia-autoloads markdown-mode-autoloads modus-themes-autoloads
>> mpv-autoloads nerd-icons-completion-autoloads nerd-icons-corfu-autoloads
>> nerd-icons-dired-autoloads nerd-icons-ibuffer-autoloads
>> olivetti-autoloads orderless-autoloads org-modern-autoloads
>> org-ros-autoloads package-lint-autoloads
>> persp-mode-project-bridge-autoloads persp-mode-autoloads
>> pinentry-autoloads plz-event-source-autoloads plz-media-type-autoloads
>> plz-autoloads polymode-autoloads proced-narrow-autoloads
>> pulsar-autoloads pyvenv-autoloads rainbow-delimiters-autoloads
>> ready-player-autoloads sass-mode-autoloads haml-mode-autoloads
>> scss-mode-autoloads shrink-path-autoloads f-autoloads sly-autoloads
>> smartparens-autoloads spinner-autoloads sudo-edit-autoloads
>> tablist-autoloads tempel-collection-autoloads tempel-autoloads
>> transmission-autoloads transpose-frame-autoloads treemacs-evil-autoloads
>> evil-autoloads goto-chg-autoloads treemacs-icons-dired-autoloads
>> treemacs-magit-autoloads magit-autoloads pcase transient-autoloads
>> magit-section-autoloads llama-autoloads treemacs-nerd-icons-autoloads
>> treemacs-autoloads cfrs-autoloads posframe-autoloads ht-autoloads
>> hydra-autoloads lv-autoloads pfuture-autoloads ace-window-autoloads
>> avy-autoloads s-autoloads dash-autoloads nerd-icons-autoloads
>> treepy-autoloads treesit-auto-autoloads typescript-mode-autoloads
>> undo-tree-autoloads queue-autoloads vc-msg-autoloads popup-autoloads
>> vdirel-autoloads helm-autoloads helm-core-autoloads async-autoloads
>> org-vcard-autoloads verb-autoloads vertico-autoloads web-mode-autoloads
>> wfnames-autoloads wgrep-autoloads info with-editor-autoloads
>> xclip-autoloads xterm-color-autoloads yaml-autoloads yaml-mode-autoloads
>> yeetube-autoloads package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy
>> url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file
>> url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq
>> eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt
>> gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib early-init rmc
>> iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook
>> vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/pgtk-win pgtk-win
>> term/common-win touch-screen pgtk-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image
>> regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode
>> prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu
>> timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core
>> term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic
>> indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
>> tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek
>> romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
>> composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook
>> jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs
>> theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties
>> overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
>> hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify
>> dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo gtk pgtk
>> lcms2 multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process native-compile emacs)
>>
>> Memory information:
>> ((conses 16 748467 190575) (symbols 48 29921 19)
>>  (strings 32 214960 6008) (string-bytes 1 8549689) (vectors 16 52457)
>>  (vector-slots 8 1316547 238197) (floats 8 1275 55)
>>  (intervals 56 4166 738) (buffers 992 14))
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Message #14 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 09:19:07 -0500

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If you want to share the identical .emacs tree across architectures, the
solution I suggested will work fine.  Try it and see.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:16 AM Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
wrote:

> I totally forgot to see this later. Thanks for pointing it Ship Mints, my
> bad!
>
> I am curious if I could simply drop any `eln-cache` hacks from my user
> config and rely solely on the new internals
> (in my case:   ~/emacs/.emacs.d/eln-cache/30.1-a9997e26).
>
>
> Em qua., 26 de fev. de 2025 às 11:08, Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
> escreveu:
>
>> It should be sufficient to differentiate by architecture, not by host.
>> 'comp-native-version-dir' is used internally by Emacs and I don't think you
>> need to reference it.
>>
>> I think you asked this on reddit and seemed satisfied with this response
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1hgjra6/comment/m3i486t/ which
>> seems to suffice for your use case.
>>
>> -Stephane
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 8:57 AM Rahul Martim Juliato <
>> rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This is not a bug, more of a question.
>>>
>>> I noticed the addition of `comp-native-version-dir' and found it nice
>>> to be there.
>>>
>>> I currently have a workflow where I use the same (but not at the same
>>> time) emacs config from a network folder for both macos (arm
>>> architecture) and debian (x64).
>>>
>>> In my config I manually set the name of the folders `eln-cache` to be
>>> something like `eln-cache-machine1` and `eln-cache-machine2`.
>>>
>>> Since 30.1 became released, the `comp-native-version-dir' is added to
>>> organize the subfolder.
>>>
>>> Does it create this magic number taking in consideration also the
>>> machine architecture? If not, could we make
>>> distinctions between architectures when creating the sub-folders?
>>>
>>> If I use the same pre-compiled binaries, will this number be the same on
>>> both machines?
>>>
>>> I tried to collect some of this info on #emacs <at> Libera.Chat, confusion
>>> was everywhere, we couldn't conclude anything. Could Emacs maintainers
>>> provide us with a little bit more info or where to find it?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38,
>>>  cairo version 1.16.0) of 2025-02-24 built on debian
>>> System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
>>>
>>> Configured using:
>>>  'configure --with-native-compilation=aot --with-tree-sitter --with-gif
>>>  --with-png --with-jpeg --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-imagemagick
>>>  --with-pgtk --with-mailutils'
>>>
>>> Configured features:
>>> ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ
>>> IMAGEMAGICK JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 MODULES
>>> NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3
>>> THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM GTK3 ZLIB
>>>
>>> Important settings:
>>>   value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
>>>   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>>>
>>> Major mode: Dashboard
>>>
>>> Minor modes in effect:
>>>   emms-mode-line-mode: t
>>>   emms-playing-time-display-mode: t
>>>   emms-playing-time-mode: t
>>>   diff-hl-margin-mode: t
>>>   diff-hl-flydiff-mode: t
>>>   global-diff-hl-mode: t
>>>   treemacs-project-follow-mode: t
>>>   treemacs-filewatch-mode: t
>>>   treemacs-follow-mode: t
>>>   treemacs-git-mode: t
>>>   treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t
>>>   recentf-mode: t
>>>   which-key-mode: t
>>>   global-treesit-auto-mode: t
>>>   vertico-mode: t
>>>   global-evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
>>>   evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
>>>   global-evil-matchit-mode: t
>>>   evil-matchit-mode: t
>>>   global-evil-surround-mode: t
>>>   evil-surround-mode: t
>>>   evil-mode: t
>>>   evil-local-mode: t
>>>   pulsar-global-mode: t
>>>   pulsar-mode: t
>>>   global-undo-tree-mode: t
>>>   undo-tree-mode: t
>>>   async-bytecomp-package-mode: t
>>>   persp-mode-project-bridge-mode: t
>>>   persp-mode: t
>>>   global-ligature-mode: t
>>>   ligature-mode: t
>>>   nerd-icons-completion-mode: t
>>>   marginalia-mode: t
>>>   corfu-popupinfo-mode: t
>>>   global-corfu-mode: t
>>>   corfu-mode: t
>>>   override-global-mode: t
>>>   xterm-mouse-mode: t
>>>   winner-mode: t
>>>   savehist-mode: t
>>>   save-place-mode: t
>>>   pixel-scroll-precision-mode: t
>>>   global-auto-revert-mode: t
>>>   delete-selection-mode: t
>>>   global-eldoc-mode: t
>>>   show-paren-mode: t
>>>   electric-indent-mode: t
>>>   mouse-wheel-mode: t
>>>   file-name-shadow-mode: t
>>>   global-font-lock-mode: t
>>>   font-lock-mode: t
>>>   minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
>>>   buffer-read-only: t
>>>   column-number-mode: t
>>>   line-number-mode: t
>>>   transient-mark-mode: t
>>>   auto-composition-mode: t
>>>   auto-encryption-mode: t
>>>   auto-compression-mode: t
>>>
>>> Load-path shadows:
>>> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-20250222.1912/transient hides
>>> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/transient
>>> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/modus-themes-20250220.647/theme-loaddefs hides
>>> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/theme-loaddefs
>>>
>>> Features:
>>> (shadow mail-extr emacsbug help-fns radix-tree evil-collection-emms
>>> emms-idapi-browser emms-idapi emms-idapi-musicbrainz emms-mpris dbus
>>> emms-librefm-stream xml emms-librefm-scrobbler emms-playlist-limit
>>> emms-i18n emms-history emms-score emms-stream-info
>>> emms-metaplaylist-mode emms-bookmarks emms-cue emms-mode-line-icon
>>> emms-browser sort emms-volume emms-volume-sndioctl emms-volume-mixerctl
>>> emms-volume-pulse emms-volume-amixer emms-playlist-sort emms-last-played
>>> emms-player-xine emms-player-mpd tq emms-lyrics emms-url emms-streams
>>> emms-show-all emms-tag-editor format-spec emms-tag-tracktag emms-mark
>>> emms-mode-line emms-cache emms-info-native emms-info-native-spc
>>> emms-info-native-mp3 emms-info-native-ogg emms-info-native-opus
>>> emms-info-native-flac emms-info-native-vorbis bindat emms-info-exiftool
>>> emms-info-tinytag emms-info-metaflac emms-info-opusinfo
>>> emms-info-ogginfo emms-info-mp3info emms-playlist-mode emms-player-vlc
>>> emms-player-mpv emms-playing-time emms-info emms-later-do
>>> emms-player-mplayer emms-player-simple emms-source-playlist
>>> emms-source-file locate emms-setup emms emms-compat
>>> evil-collection-wgrep wgrep evil-collection-diff-hl diff-hl-margin
>>> diff-hl-dired diff-hl-flydiff diff-hl evil-collection-log-view log-view
>>> evil-collection-vc-dir vc-dir ewoc evil-collection-log-edit log-edit
>>> message sendmail yank-media puny evil-collection-dired nerd-icons-dired
>>> dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec evil-collection-epa epa derived
>>> epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode
>>> mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums mail-prsvr
>>> mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader pcvs-util add-log vc
>>> vc-dispatcher evil-collection-diff-mode diff-mode track-changes
>>> orderless cursor-sensor treemacs-nerd-icons treemacs-evil
>>> treemacs-project-follow-mode treemacs treemacs-header-line
>>> treemacs-compatibility treemacs-mode treemacs-interface
>>> treemacs-persistence treemacs-filewatch-mode treemacs-follow-mode
>>> treemacs-rendering treemacs-annotations treemacs-async
>>> treemacs-workspaces treemacs-dom treemacs-visuals
>>> treemacs-fringe-indicator treemacs-faces treemacs-icons treemacs-scope
>>> treemacs-themes treemacs-core-utils pfuture inline hl-line ht
>>> treemacs-logging treemacs-customization treemacs-macros s dash
>>> evil-collection-dashboard dashboard dashboard-widgets mule-util ffap
>>> private recentf tree-widget evil-collection-which-key which-key
>>> treesit-auto treesit evil-collection-vertico vertico
>>> evil-collection-unimpaired evil-collection-tabulated-list
>>> evil-collection-tab-bar evil-collection-so-long evil-collection-simple
>>> evil-collection-replace evil-collection-process-menu
>>> evil-collection-package-menu evil-collection-minibuffer
>>> evil-collection-kmacro evil-collection-info evil-collection-indent
>>> evil-collection-ibuffer evil-collection-help evil-collection-grep
>>> evil-collection-elisp-mode evil-collection-eldoc evil-collection-custom
>>> evil-collection-corfu evil-collection-compile evil-collection-comint
>>> evil-collection-buff-menu evil-matchit evil-matchit-evil-setup
>>> evil-matchit-sdk semantic/lex semantic/fw mode-local find-func
>>> evil-surround evil-collection annalist evil evil-integration evil-maps
>>> evil-commands reveal evil-jumps evil-command-window evil-types
>>> evil-search evil-ex evil-macros evil-repeat evil-states evil-core
>>> evil-common thingatpt rect evil-vars edmacro kmacro pulsar pulse color
>>> undo-tree diff queue async-bytecomp async persp-mode-project-bridge
>>> persp-mode ligature lemacs-init nerd-icons-ibuffer nerd-icons-completion
>>> nerd-icons nerd-icons-faces nerd-icons-data nerd-icons-data-mdicon
>>> nerd-icons-data-flicon nerd-icons-data-codicon nerd-icons-data-devicon
>>> nerd-icons-data-sucicon nerd-icons-data-wicon nerd-icons-data-faicon
>>> nerd-icons-data-powerline nerd-icons-data-octicon
>>> nerd-icons-data-pomicon nerd-icons-data-ipsicon ibuffer-project project
>>> ibuf-ext ibuffer ibuffer-loaddefs comp comp-cstr cl-extra help-mode
>>> warnings comp-run comp-common rx flymake-eslint marginalia
>>> corfu-popupinfo corfu cape compat server pinentry
>>> modus-vivendi-tinted-theme modus-themes cus-edit pp wid-edit time
>>> auth-source-pass bind-key xt-mouse winner savehist saveplace
>>> pixel-scroll cua-base autorevert filenotify desktop frameset so-long
>>> delsel grep compile text-property-search comint ansi-osc ansi-color ring
>>> cus-load 0x0-autoloads add-node-modules-path-autoloads
>>> apheleia-autoloads easy-mmode breadcrumb-autoloads cape-autoloads
>>> catppuccin-theme-autoloads colorful-mode-autoloads corfu-autoloads
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>>> dockerfile-mode-autoloads doom-modeline-autoloads dotenv-mode-autoloads
>>> eat-autoloads eldoc-box-autoloads elfeed-tube-mpv-autoloads
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>>> emms-autoloads erc-hl-nicks-autoloads
>>> eshell-syntax-highlighting-autoloads eshell-z-autoloads
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>>> geiser-autoloads gh-md-autoloads ghub-autoloads
>>> git-timemachine-autoloads handlebars-mode-autoloads hl-todo-autoloads
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>>> wfnames-autoloads wgrep-autoloads info with-editor-autoloads
>>> xclip-autoloads xterm-color-autoloads yaml-autoloads yaml-mode-autoloads
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>>> url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file
>>> url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq
>>> eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt
>>> gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib early-init rmc
>>> iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook
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>>> overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
>>> hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify
>>> dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo gtk pgtk
>>> lcms2 multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process native-compile emacs)
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Message #17 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 09:23:27 -0500

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If you don't use no-littering, or don't otherwise have a place to keep your
transient Emacs files, remove the "var" from the suggested path.

In early-init.el:

  ;; with a var transient dir
  (startup-redirect-eln-cache
   (expand-file-name (concat (file-name-as-directory "eln-cache")
                             (car (split-string system-configuration "-")))
                     (expand-file-name "var" user-emacs-directory)))
  ;; without
  (startup-redirect-eln-cache
   (expand-file-name (concat (file-name-as-directory "eln-cache")
                             (car (split-string system-configuration "-")))
                     user-emacs-directory))

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:19 AM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> If you want to share the identical .emacs tree across architectures, the
> solution I suggested will work fine.  Try it and see.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:16 AM Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I totally forgot to see this later. Thanks for pointing it Ship Mints, my
>> bad!
>>
>> I am curious if I could simply drop any `eln-cache` hacks from my user
>> config and rely solely on the new internals
>> (in my case:   ~/emacs/.emacs.d/eln-cache/30.1-a9997e26).
>>
>>
>> Em qua., 26 de fev. de 2025 às 11:08, Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> It should be sufficient to differentiate by architecture, not by host.
>>> 'comp-native-version-dir' is used internally by Emacs and I don't think you
>>> need to reference it.
>>>
>>> I think you asked this on reddit and seemed satisfied with this response
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1hgjra6/comment/m3i486t/ which
>>> seems to suffice for your use case.
>>>
>>> -Stephane
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 8:57 AM Rahul Martim Juliato <
>>> rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not a bug, more of a question.
>>>>
>>>> I noticed the addition of `comp-native-version-dir' and found it nice
>>>> to be there.
>>>>
>>>> I currently have a workflow where I use the same (but not at the same
>>>> time) emacs config from a network folder for both macos (arm
>>>> architecture) and debian (x64).
>>>>
>>>> In my config I manually set the name of the folders `eln-cache` to be
>>>> something like `eln-cache-machine1` and `eln-cache-machine2`.
>>>>
>>>> Since 30.1 became released, the `comp-native-version-dir' is added to
>>>> organize the subfolder.
>>>>
>>>> Does it create this magic number taking in consideration also the
>>>> machine architecture? If not, could we make
>>>> distinctions between architectures when creating the sub-folders?
>>>>
>>>> If I use the same pre-compiled binaries, will this number be the same on
>>>> both machines?
>>>>
>>>> I tried to collect some of this info on #emacs <at> Libera.Chat, confusion
>>>> was everywhere, we couldn't conclude anything. Could Emacs maintainers
>>>> provide us with a little bit more info or where to find it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38,
>>>>  cairo version 1.16.0) of 2025-02-24 built on debian
>>>> System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
>>>>
>>>> Configured using:
>>>>  'configure --with-native-compilation=aot --with-tree-sitter --with-gif
>>>>  --with-png --with-jpeg --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-imagemagick
>>>>  --with-pgtk --with-mailutils'
>>>>
>>>> Configured features:
>>>> ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ
>>>> IMAGEMAGICK JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 MODULES
>>>> NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3
>>>> THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM GTK3 ZLIB
>>>>
>>>> Important settings:
>>>>   value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
>>>>   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>>>>
>>>> Major mode: Dashboard
>>>>
>>>> Minor modes in effect:
>>>>   emms-mode-line-mode: t
>>>>   emms-playing-time-display-mode: t
>>>>   emms-playing-time-mode: t
>>>>   diff-hl-margin-mode: t
>>>>   diff-hl-flydiff-mode: t
>>>>   global-diff-hl-mode: t
>>>>   treemacs-project-follow-mode: t
>>>>   treemacs-filewatch-mode: t
>>>>   treemacs-follow-mode: t
>>>>   treemacs-git-mode: t
>>>>   treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t
>>>>   recentf-mode: t
>>>>   which-key-mode: t
>>>>   global-treesit-auto-mode: t
>>>>   vertico-mode: t
>>>>   global-evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
>>>>   evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
>>>>   global-evil-matchit-mode: t
>>>>   evil-matchit-mode: t
>>>>   global-evil-surround-mode: t
>>>>   evil-surround-mode: t
>>>>   evil-mode: t
>>>>   evil-local-mode: t
>>>>   pulsar-global-mode: t
>>>>   pulsar-mode: t
>>>>   global-undo-tree-mode: t
>>>>   undo-tree-mode: t
>>>>   async-bytecomp-package-mode: t
>>>>   persp-mode-project-bridge-mode: t
>>>>   persp-mode: t
>>>>   global-ligature-mode: t
>>>>   ligature-mode: t
>>>>   nerd-icons-completion-mode: t
>>>>   marginalia-mode: t
>>>>   corfu-popupinfo-mode: t
>>>>   global-corfu-mode: t
>>>>   corfu-mode: t
>>>>   override-global-mode: t
>>>>   xterm-mouse-mode: t
>>>>   winner-mode: t
>>>>   savehist-mode: t
>>>>   save-place-mode: t
>>>>   pixel-scroll-precision-mode: t
>>>>   global-auto-revert-mode: t
>>>>   delete-selection-mode: t
>>>>   global-eldoc-mode: t
>>>>   show-paren-mode: t
>>>>   electric-indent-mode: t
>>>>   mouse-wheel-mode: t
>>>>   file-name-shadow-mode: t
>>>>   global-font-lock-mode: t
>>>>   font-lock-mode: t
>>>>   minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
>>>>   buffer-read-only: t
>>>>   column-number-mode: t
>>>>   line-number-mode: t
>>>>   transient-mark-mode: t
>>>>   auto-composition-mode: t
>>>>   auto-encryption-mode: t
>>>>   auto-compression-mode: t
>>>>
>>>> Load-path shadows:
>>>> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-20250222.1912/transient hides
>>>> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/transient
>>>> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/modus-themes-20250220.647/theme-loaddefs hides
>>>> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/theme-loaddefs
>>>>
>>>> Features:
>>>> (shadow mail-extr emacsbug help-fns radix-tree evil-collection-emms
>>>> emms-idapi-browser emms-idapi emms-idapi-musicbrainz emms-mpris dbus
>>>> emms-librefm-stream xml emms-librefm-scrobbler emms-playlist-limit
>>>> emms-i18n emms-history emms-score emms-stream-info
>>>> emms-metaplaylist-mode emms-bookmarks emms-cue emms-mode-line-icon
>>>> emms-browser sort emms-volume emms-volume-sndioctl emms-volume-mixerctl
>>>> emms-volume-pulse emms-volume-amixer emms-playlist-sort emms-last-played
>>>> emms-player-xine emms-player-mpd tq emms-lyrics emms-url emms-streams
>>>> emms-show-all emms-tag-editor format-spec emms-tag-tracktag emms-mark
>>>> emms-mode-line emms-cache emms-info-native emms-info-native-spc
>>>> emms-info-native-mp3 emms-info-native-ogg emms-info-native-opus
>>>> emms-info-native-flac emms-info-native-vorbis bindat emms-info-exiftool
>>>> emms-info-tinytag emms-info-metaflac emms-info-opusinfo
>>>> emms-info-ogginfo emms-info-mp3info emms-playlist-mode emms-player-vlc
>>>> emms-player-mpv emms-playing-time emms-info emms-later-do
>>>> emms-player-mplayer emms-player-simple emms-source-playlist
>>>> emms-source-file locate emms-setup emms emms-compat
>>>> evil-collection-wgrep wgrep evil-collection-diff-hl diff-hl-margin
>>>> diff-hl-dired diff-hl-flydiff diff-hl evil-collection-log-view log-view
>>>> evil-collection-vc-dir vc-dir ewoc evil-collection-log-edit log-edit
>>>> message sendmail yank-media puny evil-collection-dired nerd-icons-dired
>>>> dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec evil-collection-epa epa derived
>>>> epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode
>>>> mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums mail-prsvr
>>>> mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader pcvs-util add-log vc
>>>> vc-dispatcher evil-collection-diff-mode diff-mode track-changes
>>>> orderless cursor-sensor treemacs-nerd-icons treemacs-evil
>>>> treemacs-project-follow-mode treemacs treemacs-header-line
>>>> treemacs-compatibility treemacs-mode treemacs-interface
>>>> treemacs-persistence treemacs-filewatch-mode treemacs-follow-mode
>>>> treemacs-rendering treemacs-annotations treemacs-async
>>>> treemacs-workspaces treemacs-dom treemacs-visuals
>>>> treemacs-fringe-indicator treemacs-faces treemacs-icons treemacs-scope
>>>> treemacs-themes treemacs-core-utils pfuture inline hl-line ht
>>>> treemacs-logging treemacs-customization treemacs-macros s dash
>>>> evil-collection-dashboard dashboard dashboard-widgets mule-util ffap
>>>> private recentf tree-widget evil-collection-which-key which-key
>>>> treesit-auto treesit evil-collection-vertico vertico
>>>> evil-collection-unimpaired evil-collection-tabulated-list
>>>> evil-collection-tab-bar evil-collection-so-long evil-collection-simple
>>>> evil-collection-replace evil-collection-process-menu
>>>> evil-collection-package-menu evil-collection-minibuffer
>>>> evil-collection-kmacro evil-collection-info evil-collection-indent
>>>> evil-collection-ibuffer evil-collection-help evil-collection-grep
>>>> evil-collection-elisp-mode evil-collection-eldoc evil-collection-custom
>>>> evil-collection-corfu evil-collection-compile evil-collection-comint
>>>> evil-collection-buff-menu evil-matchit evil-matchit-evil-setup
>>>> evil-matchit-sdk semantic/lex semantic/fw mode-local find-func
>>>> evil-surround evil-collection annalist evil evil-integration evil-maps
>>>> evil-commands reveal evil-jumps evil-command-window evil-types
>>>> evil-search evil-ex evil-macros evil-repeat evil-states evil-core
>>>> evil-common thingatpt rect evil-vars edmacro kmacro pulsar pulse color
>>>> undo-tree diff queue async-bytecomp async persp-mode-project-bridge
>>>> persp-mode ligature lemacs-init nerd-icons-ibuffer nerd-icons-completion
>>>> nerd-icons nerd-icons-faces nerd-icons-data nerd-icons-data-mdicon
>>>> nerd-icons-data-flicon nerd-icons-data-codicon nerd-icons-data-devicon
>>>> nerd-icons-data-sucicon nerd-icons-data-wicon nerd-icons-data-faicon
>>>> nerd-icons-data-powerline nerd-icons-data-octicon
>>>> nerd-icons-data-pomicon nerd-icons-data-ipsicon ibuffer-project project
>>>> ibuf-ext ibuffer ibuffer-loaddefs comp comp-cstr cl-extra help-mode
>>>> warnings comp-run comp-common rx flymake-eslint marginalia
>>>> corfu-popupinfo corfu cape compat server pinentry
>>>> modus-vivendi-tinted-theme modus-themes cus-edit pp wid-edit time
>>>> auth-source-pass bind-key xt-mouse winner savehist saveplace
>>>> pixel-scroll cua-base autorevert filenotify desktop frameset so-long
>>>> delsel grep compile text-property-search comint ansi-osc ansi-color ring
>>>> cus-load 0x0-autoloads add-node-modules-path-autoloads
>>>> apheleia-autoloads easy-mmode breadcrumb-autoloads cape-autoloads
>>>> catppuccin-theme-autoloads colorful-mode-autoloads corfu-autoloads
>>>> dashboard-autoloads diff-hl-autoloads dired-subtree-autoloads
>>>> dired-hacks-utils-autoloads diredfl-autoloads docker-autoloads
>>>> dockerfile-mode-autoloads doom-modeline-autoloads dotenv-mode-autoloads
>>>> eat-autoloads eldoc-box-autoloads elfeed-tube-mpv-autoloads
>>>> elfeed-tube-autoloads aio-autoloads elfeed-autoloads ellama-autoloads
>>>> embark-consult-autoloads consult-autoloads embark-autoloads
>>>> emms-autoloads erc-hl-nicks-autoloads
>>>> eshell-syntax-highlighting-autoloads eshell-z-autoloads
>>>> evil-collection-autoloads annalist-autoloads evil-matchit-autoloads
>>>> evil-surround-autoloads exec-path-from-shell-autoloads
>>>> expand-region-autoloads flymake-eslint-autoloads forge-autoloads
>>>> closql-autoloads emacsql-autoloads geiser-guile-autoloads
>>>> geiser-autoloads gh-md-autoloads ghub-autoloads
>>>> git-timemachine-autoloads handlebars-mode-autoloads hl-todo-autoloads
>>>> ibuffer-project-autoloads indent-guide-autoloads js-pkg-mode-autoloads
>>>> khalel-autoloads kkp-autoloads ligature-autoloads llm-autoloads
>>>> lsp-tailwindcss-autoloads lsp-mode-autoloads magit-stats-autoloads
>>>> marginalia-autoloads markdown-mode-autoloads modus-themes-autoloads
>>>> mpv-autoloads nerd-icons-completion-autoloads nerd-icons-corfu-autoloads
>>>> nerd-icons-dired-autoloads nerd-icons-ibuffer-autoloads
>>>> olivetti-autoloads orderless-autoloads org-modern-autoloads
>>>> org-ros-autoloads package-lint-autoloads
>>>> persp-mode-project-bridge-autoloads persp-mode-autoloads
>>>> pinentry-autoloads plz-event-source-autoloads plz-media-type-autoloads
>>>> plz-autoloads polymode-autoloads proced-narrow-autoloads
>>>> pulsar-autoloads pyvenv-autoloads rainbow-delimiters-autoloads
>>>> ready-player-autoloads sass-mode-autoloads haml-mode-autoloads
>>>> scss-mode-autoloads shrink-path-autoloads f-autoloads sly-autoloads
>>>> smartparens-autoloads spinner-autoloads sudo-edit-autoloads
>>>> tablist-autoloads tempel-collection-autoloads tempel-autoloads
>>>> transmission-autoloads transpose-frame-autoloads treemacs-evil-autoloads
>>>> evil-autoloads goto-chg-autoloads treemacs-icons-dired-autoloads
>>>> treemacs-magit-autoloads magit-autoloads pcase transient-autoloads
>>>> magit-section-autoloads llama-autoloads treemacs-nerd-icons-autoloads
>>>> treemacs-autoloads cfrs-autoloads posframe-autoloads ht-autoloads
>>>> hydra-autoloads lv-autoloads pfuture-autoloads ace-window-autoloads
>>>> avy-autoloads s-autoloads dash-autoloads nerd-icons-autoloads
>>>> treepy-autoloads treesit-auto-autoloads typescript-mode-autoloads
>>>> undo-tree-autoloads queue-autoloads vc-msg-autoloads popup-autoloads
>>>> vdirel-autoloads helm-autoloads helm-core-autoloads async-autoloads
>>>> org-vcard-autoloads verb-autoloads vertico-autoloads web-mode-autoloads
>>>> wfnames-autoloads wgrep-autoloads info with-editor-autoloads
>>>> xclip-autoloads xterm-color-autoloads yaml-autoloads yaml-mode-autoloads
>>>> yeetube-autoloads package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy
>>>> url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file
>>>> url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq
>>>> eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt
>>>> gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib early-init rmc
>>>> iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook
>>>> vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/pgtk-win pgtk-win
>>>> term/common-win touch-screen pgtk-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image
>>>> regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode
>>>> prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu
>>>> timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core
>>>> term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic
>>>> indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
>>>> tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek
>>>> romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
>>>> composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook
>>>> jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs
>>>> theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties
>>>> overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
>>>> hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify
>>>> dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo gtk pgtk
>>>> lcms2 multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process native-compile emacs)
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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Message #20 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 09:31:44 -0500

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One more detail, the internal variable comp-abi-hash, which from which
comp-native-version-dir is derived, should be unique even with the same
Emacs source code compiled across architectures so I don't think you need
to differentiate by architecture either.  I do it for my own preferences,
as it's easier to clear out the ones I want to clear by eye, vs running
/usr/bin/file on the files to see which are which.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:23 AM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> If you don't use no-littering, or don't otherwise have a place to keep
> your transient Emacs files, remove the "var" from the suggested path.
>
> In early-init.el:
>
>   ;; with a var transient dir
>   (startup-redirect-eln-cache
>    (expand-file-name (concat (file-name-as-directory "eln-cache")
>                              (car (split-string system-configuration "-")))
>                      (expand-file-name "var" user-emacs-directory)))
>   ;; without
>   (startup-redirect-eln-cache
>    (expand-file-name (concat (file-name-as-directory "eln-cache")
>                              (car (split-string system-configuration "-")))
>                      user-emacs-directory))
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:19 AM Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you want to share the identical .emacs tree across architectures, the
>> solution I suggested will work fine.  Try it and see.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 9:16 AM Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I totally forgot to see this later. Thanks for pointing it Ship Mints,
>>> my bad!
>>>
>>> I am curious if I could simply drop any `eln-cache` hacks from my user
>>> config and rely solely on the new internals
>>> (in my case:   ~/emacs/.emacs.d/eln-cache/30.1-a9997e26).
>>>
>>>
>>> Em qua., 26 de fev. de 2025 às 11:08, Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
>>> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> It should be sufficient to differentiate by architecture, not by host.
>>>> 'comp-native-version-dir' is used internally by Emacs and I don't think you
>>>> need to reference it.
>>>>
>>>> I think you asked this on reddit and seemed satisfied with this
>>>> response
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/1hgjra6/comment/m3i486t/ which
>>>> seems to suffice for your use case.
>>>>
>>>> -Stephane
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 8:57 AM Rahul Martim Juliato <
>>>> rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not a bug, more of a question.
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed the addition of `comp-native-version-dir' and found it nice
>>>>> to be there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I currently have a workflow where I use the same (but not at the same
>>>>> time) emacs config from a network folder for both macos (arm
>>>>> architecture) and debian (x64).
>>>>>
>>>>> In my config I manually set the name of the folders `eln-cache` to be
>>>>> something like `eln-cache-machine1` and `eln-cache-machine2`.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since 30.1 became released, the `comp-native-version-dir' is added to
>>>>> organize the subfolder.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it create this magic number taking in consideration also the
>>>>> machine architecture? If not, could we make
>>>>> distinctions between architectures when creating the sub-folders?
>>>>>
>>>>> If I use the same pre-compiled binaries, will this number be the same
>>>>> on
>>>>> both machines?
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to collect some of this info on #emacs <at> Libera.Chat, confusion
>>>>> was everywhere, we couldn't conclude anything. Could Emacs maintainers
>>>>> provide us with a little bit more info or where to find it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.38,
>>>>>  cairo version 1.16.0) of 2025-02-24 built on debian
>>>>> System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)
>>>>>
>>>>> Configured using:
>>>>>  'configure --with-native-compilation=aot --with-tree-sitter --with-gif
>>>>>  --with-png --with-jpeg --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-imagemagick
>>>>>  --with-pgtk --with-mailutils'
>>>>>
>>>>> Configured features:
>>>>> ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ
>>>>> IMAGEMAGICK JPEG LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 MODULES
>>>>> NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PGTK PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3
>>>>> THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XIM GTK3 ZLIB
>>>>>
>>>>> Important settings:
>>>>>   value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
>>>>>   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
>>>>>
>>>>> Major mode: Dashboard
>>>>>
>>>>> Minor modes in effect:
>>>>>   emms-mode-line-mode: t
>>>>>   emms-playing-time-display-mode: t
>>>>>   emms-playing-time-mode: t
>>>>>   diff-hl-margin-mode: t
>>>>>   diff-hl-flydiff-mode: t
>>>>>   global-diff-hl-mode: t
>>>>>   treemacs-project-follow-mode: t
>>>>>   treemacs-filewatch-mode: t
>>>>>   treemacs-follow-mode: t
>>>>>   treemacs-git-mode: t
>>>>>   treemacs-fringe-indicator-mode: t
>>>>>   recentf-mode: t
>>>>>   which-key-mode: t
>>>>>   global-treesit-auto-mode: t
>>>>>   vertico-mode: t
>>>>>   global-evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
>>>>>   evil-collection-unimpaired-mode: t
>>>>>   global-evil-matchit-mode: t
>>>>>   evil-matchit-mode: t
>>>>>   global-evil-surround-mode: t
>>>>>   evil-surround-mode: t
>>>>>   evil-mode: t
>>>>>   evil-local-mode: t
>>>>>   pulsar-global-mode: t
>>>>>   pulsar-mode: t
>>>>>   global-undo-tree-mode: t
>>>>>   undo-tree-mode: t
>>>>>   async-bytecomp-package-mode: t
>>>>>   persp-mode-project-bridge-mode: t
>>>>>   persp-mode: t
>>>>>   global-ligature-mode: t
>>>>>   ligature-mode: t
>>>>>   nerd-icons-completion-mode: t
>>>>>   marginalia-mode: t
>>>>>   corfu-popupinfo-mode: t
>>>>>   global-corfu-mode: t
>>>>>   corfu-mode: t
>>>>>   override-global-mode: t
>>>>>   xterm-mouse-mode: t
>>>>>   winner-mode: t
>>>>>   savehist-mode: t
>>>>>   save-place-mode: t
>>>>>   pixel-scroll-precision-mode: t
>>>>>   global-auto-revert-mode: t
>>>>>   delete-selection-mode: t
>>>>>   global-eldoc-mode: t
>>>>>   show-paren-mode: t
>>>>>   electric-indent-mode: t
>>>>>   mouse-wheel-mode: t
>>>>>   file-name-shadow-mode: t
>>>>>   global-font-lock-mode: t
>>>>>   font-lock-mode: t
>>>>>   minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
>>>>>   buffer-read-only: t
>>>>>   column-number-mode: t
>>>>>   line-number-mode: t
>>>>>   transient-mark-mode: t
>>>>>   auto-composition-mode: t
>>>>>   auto-encryption-mode: t
>>>>>   auto-compression-mode: t
>>>>>
>>>>> Load-path shadows:
>>>>> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-20250222.1912/transient hides
>>>>> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/transient
>>>>> /home/rmj/.emacs.d/elpa/modus-themes-20250220.647/theme-loaddefs hides
>>>>> /usr/local/share/emacs/30.1/lisp/theme-loaddefs
>>>>>
>>>>> Features:
>>>>> (shadow mail-extr emacsbug help-fns radix-tree evil-collection-emms
>>>>> emms-idapi-browser emms-idapi emms-idapi-musicbrainz emms-mpris dbus
>>>>> emms-librefm-stream xml emms-librefm-scrobbler emms-playlist-limit
>>>>> emms-i18n emms-history emms-score emms-stream-info
>>>>> emms-metaplaylist-mode emms-bookmarks emms-cue emms-mode-line-icon
>>>>> emms-browser sort emms-volume emms-volume-sndioctl emms-volume-mixerctl
>>>>> emms-volume-pulse emms-volume-amixer emms-playlist-sort
>>>>> emms-last-played
>>>>> emms-player-xine emms-player-mpd tq emms-lyrics emms-url emms-streams
>>>>> emms-show-all emms-tag-editor format-spec emms-tag-tracktag emms-mark
>>>>> emms-mode-line emms-cache emms-info-native emms-info-native-spc
>>>>> emms-info-native-mp3 emms-info-native-ogg emms-info-native-opus
>>>>> emms-info-native-flac emms-info-native-vorbis bindat emms-info-exiftool
>>>>> emms-info-tinytag emms-info-metaflac emms-info-opusinfo
>>>>> emms-info-ogginfo emms-info-mp3info emms-playlist-mode emms-player-vlc
>>>>> emms-player-mpv emms-playing-time emms-info emms-later-do
>>>>> emms-player-mplayer emms-player-simple emms-source-playlist
>>>>> emms-source-file locate emms-setup emms emms-compat
>>>>> evil-collection-wgrep wgrep evil-collection-diff-hl diff-hl-margin
>>>>> diff-hl-dired diff-hl-flydiff diff-hl evil-collection-log-view log-view
>>>>> evil-collection-vc-dir vc-dir ewoc evil-collection-log-edit log-edit
>>>>> message sendmail yank-media puny evil-collection-dired nerd-icons-dired
>>>>> dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec evil-collection-epa epa derived
>>>>> epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util time-date mm-decode mm-bodies
>>>>> mm-encode
>>>>> mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums mail-prsvr
>>>>> mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader pcvs-util add-log vc
>>>>> vc-dispatcher evil-collection-diff-mode diff-mode track-changes
>>>>> orderless cursor-sensor treemacs-nerd-icons treemacs-evil
>>>>> treemacs-project-follow-mode treemacs treemacs-header-line
>>>>> treemacs-compatibility treemacs-mode treemacs-interface
>>>>> treemacs-persistence treemacs-filewatch-mode treemacs-follow-mode
>>>>> treemacs-rendering treemacs-annotations treemacs-async
>>>>> treemacs-workspaces treemacs-dom treemacs-visuals
>>>>> treemacs-fringe-indicator treemacs-faces treemacs-icons treemacs-scope
>>>>> treemacs-themes treemacs-core-utils pfuture inline hl-line ht
>>>>> treemacs-logging treemacs-customization treemacs-macros s dash
>>>>> evil-collection-dashboard dashboard dashboard-widgets mule-util ffap
>>>>> private recentf tree-widget evil-collection-which-key which-key
>>>>> treesit-auto treesit evil-collection-vertico vertico
>>>>> evil-collection-unimpaired evil-collection-tabulated-list
>>>>> evil-collection-tab-bar evil-collection-so-long evil-collection-simple
>>>>> evil-collection-replace evil-collection-process-menu
>>>>> evil-collection-package-menu evil-collection-minibuffer
>>>>> evil-collection-kmacro evil-collection-info evil-collection-indent
>>>>> evil-collection-ibuffer evil-collection-help evil-collection-grep
>>>>> evil-collection-elisp-mode evil-collection-eldoc evil-collection-custom
>>>>> evil-collection-corfu evil-collection-compile evil-collection-comint
>>>>> evil-collection-buff-menu evil-matchit evil-matchit-evil-setup
>>>>> evil-matchit-sdk semantic/lex semantic/fw mode-local find-func
>>>>> evil-surround evil-collection annalist evil evil-integration evil-maps
>>>>> evil-commands reveal evil-jumps evil-command-window evil-types
>>>>> evil-search evil-ex evil-macros evil-repeat evil-states evil-core
>>>>> evil-common thingatpt rect evil-vars edmacro kmacro pulsar pulse color
>>>>> undo-tree diff queue async-bytecomp async persp-mode-project-bridge
>>>>> persp-mode ligature lemacs-init nerd-icons-ibuffer
>>>>> nerd-icons-completion
>>>>> nerd-icons nerd-icons-faces nerd-icons-data nerd-icons-data-mdicon
>>>>> nerd-icons-data-flicon nerd-icons-data-codicon nerd-icons-data-devicon
>>>>> nerd-icons-data-sucicon nerd-icons-data-wicon nerd-icons-data-faicon
>>>>> nerd-icons-data-powerline nerd-icons-data-octicon
>>>>> nerd-icons-data-pomicon nerd-icons-data-ipsicon ibuffer-project project
>>>>> ibuf-ext ibuffer ibuffer-loaddefs comp comp-cstr cl-extra help-mode
>>>>> warnings comp-run comp-common rx flymake-eslint marginalia
>>>>> corfu-popupinfo corfu cape compat server pinentry
>>>>> modus-vivendi-tinted-theme modus-themes cus-edit pp wid-edit time
>>>>> auth-source-pass bind-key xt-mouse winner savehist saveplace
>>>>> pixel-scroll cua-base autorevert filenotify desktop frameset so-long
>>>>> delsel grep compile text-property-search comint ansi-osc ansi-color
>>>>> ring
>>>>> cus-load 0x0-autoloads add-node-modules-path-autoloads
>>>>> apheleia-autoloads easy-mmode breadcrumb-autoloads cape-autoloads
>>>>> catppuccin-theme-autoloads colorful-mode-autoloads corfu-autoloads
>>>>> dashboard-autoloads diff-hl-autoloads dired-subtree-autoloads
>>>>> dired-hacks-utils-autoloads diredfl-autoloads docker-autoloads
>>>>> dockerfile-mode-autoloads doom-modeline-autoloads dotenv-mode-autoloads
>>>>> eat-autoloads eldoc-box-autoloads elfeed-tube-mpv-autoloads
>>>>> elfeed-tube-autoloads aio-autoloads elfeed-autoloads ellama-autoloads
>>>>> embark-consult-autoloads consult-autoloads embark-autoloads
>>>>> emms-autoloads erc-hl-nicks-autoloads
>>>>> eshell-syntax-highlighting-autoloads eshell-z-autoloads
>>>>> evil-collection-autoloads annalist-autoloads evil-matchit-autoloads
>>>>> evil-surround-autoloads exec-path-from-shell-autoloads
>>>>> expand-region-autoloads flymake-eslint-autoloads forge-autoloads
>>>>> closql-autoloads emacsql-autoloads geiser-guile-autoloads
>>>>> geiser-autoloads gh-md-autoloads ghub-autoloads
>>>>> git-timemachine-autoloads handlebars-mode-autoloads hl-todo-autoloads
>>>>> ibuffer-project-autoloads indent-guide-autoloads js-pkg-mode-autoloads
>>>>> khalel-autoloads kkp-autoloads ligature-autoloads llm-autoloads
>>>>> lsp-tailwindcss-autoloads lsp-mode-autoloads magit-stats-autoloads
>>>>> marginalia-autoloads markdown-mode-autoloads modus-themes-autoloads
>>>>> mpv-autoloads nerd-icons-completion-autoloads
>>>>> nerd-icons-corfu-autoloads
>>>>> nerd-icons-dired-autoloads nerd-icons-ibuffer-autoloads
>>>>> olivetti-autoloads orderless-autoloads org-modern-autoloads
>>>>> org-ros-autoloads package-lint-autoloads
>>>>> persp-mode-project-bridge-autoloads persp-mode-autoloads
>>>>> pinentry-autoloads plz-event-source-autoloads plz-media-type-autoloads
>>>>> plz-autoloads polymode-autoloads proced-narrow-autoloads
>>>>> pulsar-autoloads pyvenv-autoloads rainbow-delimiters-autoloads
>>>>> ready-player-autoloads sass-mode-autoloads haml-mode-autoloads
>>>>> scss-mode-autoloads shrink-path-autoloads f-autoloads sly-autoloads
>>>>> smartparens-autoloads spinner-autoloads sudo-edit-autoloads
>>>>> tablist-autoloads tempel-collection-autoloads tempel-autoloads
>>>>> transmission-autoloads transpose-frame-autoloads
>>>>> treemacs-evil-autoloads
>>>>> evil-autoloads goto-chg-autoloads treemacs-icons-dired-autoloads
>>>>> treemacs-magit-autoloads magit-autoloads pcase transient-autoloads
>>>>> magit-section-autoloads llama-autoloads treemacs-nerd-icons-autoloads
>>>>> treemacs-autoloads cfrs-autoloads posframe-autoloads ht-autoloads
>>>>> hydra-autoloads lv-autoloads pfuture-autoloads ace-window-autoloads
>>>>> avy-autoloads s-autoloads dash-autoloads nerd-icons-autoloads
>>>>> treepy-autoloads treesit-auto-autoloads typescript-mode-autoloads
>>>>> undo-tree-autoloads queue-autoloads vc-msg-autoloads popup-autoloads
>>>>> vdirel-autoloads helm-autoloads helm-core-autoloads async-autoloads
>>>>> org-vcard-autoloads verb-autoloads vertico-autoloads web-mode-autoloads
>>>>> wfnames-autoloads wgrep-autoloads info with-editor-autoloads
>>>>> xclip-autoloads xterm-color-autoloads yaml-autoloads
>>>>> yaml-mode-autoloads
>>>>> yeetube-autoloads package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy
>>>>> url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file
>>>>> url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq
>>>>> eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt
>>>>> gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib early-init rmc
>>>>> iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook
>>>>> vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/pgtk-win pgtk-win
>>>>> term/common-win touch-screen pgtk-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image
>>>>> regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode
>>>>> prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu
>>>>> timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core
>>>>> term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic
>>>>> indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
>>>>> tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek
>>>>> romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
>>>>> composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook
>>>>> jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs
>>>>> theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties
>>>>> overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
>>>>> hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify
>>>>> dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo gtk pgtk
>>>>> lcms2 multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process native-compile emacs)
>>>>>
>>>>> Memory information:
>>>>> ((conses 16 748467 190575) (symbols 48 29921 19)
>>>>>  (strings 32 214960 6008) (string-bytes 1 8549689) (vectors 16 52457)
>>>>>  (vector-slots 8 1316547 238197) (floats 8 1275 55)
>>>>>  (intervals 56 4166 738) (buffers 992 14))
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

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Message #23 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
Cc: shipmints <at> gmail.com, 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:51:08 +0200

> Cc: 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Rahul Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:16:23 -0300
> 
> I am curious if I could simply drop any `eln-cache` hacks from my user
> config and rely solely on the new internals 
> (in my case:   ~/emacs/.emacs.d/eln-cache/30.1-a9997e26).

You shouldn't need any hacks, since the "30.1-a9997e26" part will be
different for different architectures (or at least that's what I
expect).  So you should be able to share the same eln-cache directory
between different systems and architectures.

Let me know if that doesn't work.

Message #26 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>,
 Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com, 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:53:18 +0200

> Cc: 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 09:19:07 -0500
> 
> If you want to share the identical .emacs tree across architectures, the solution I suggested will work fine. 
> Try it and see.

As I wrote earlier, I don't understand why any tricks are required at
all.  AFAIK, buildfs on different machines will have a different hash
in the "30.1-a9997e26" part of the directory, so the *.eln files will
be separate (as they should be).

Andrea, am I missing something?

Message #29 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: shipmints <at> gmail.com, 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 13:30:17 -0300

Right, thanks for the clarification Stephene and Eli!


I'll start migrating my old workflow, having the same 30.1 version on
both machines and give this a try. This feature is indeed VERY useful!
One more killer feature of Emacs 30!


One (a bit crazy) workflow I have will break with this though.


Since compiling .eln is a bit expensive on the cpu side, I used to have
this `by project` docker images which I included Emacs, so I could
quickly ssh into it, rclone my config from network and start working
there with 'pre-compiled' .eln of that architecture in a much less
capable machine (container), and thus, avoiding recompile time.


If I understand it correctly, eln-cache is now  'by machine' and if I'd
like to pre-populate the `eln-cache/emacs-30.1-machinehash` I'd have to
use the `comp-abi-hash` to assembly my new eln-cache path and clone my
.eln into there.


I do this so I can quickly have lsp support while editing inside the
project machine or a clone of it, doing so via tramp (with lsp server on
the remote) is (understandable) slower.


But as I said, it is a bit crazy of a workflow and 99.9999% of the time,
the implemented solution is the best one.


Do I wish a user option to override `comp-abi-hash` would be available
to the lisp user? Yes. Do I think exposing it is a good idea? No. For
that I believe you guys know better :)


Thanks!

Message #32 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:36:29 -0500

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On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 11:30 AM Rahul Martim Juliato <
rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com> wrote:

>
> If I understand it correctly, eln-cache is now  'by machine' and if I'd
> like to pre-populate the `eln-cache/emacs-30.1-machinehash` I'd have to
> use the `comp-abi-hash` to assembly my new eln-cache path and clone my
> .eln into there.
>

native-comp-eln-load-path (as you may set via startup-redirect-eln-cache)
appends comp-abi-hash, which is specific to an Emacs build and that
includes architecture, compiler arguments, etc.  It is host independent.

Do I wish a user option to override `comp-abi-hash` would be available
> to the lisp user? Yes. Do I think exposing it is a good idea? No. For
> that I believe you guys know better :)
>

You do not want this.

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Message #35 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
Cc: shipmints <at> gmail.com, 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 18:40:45 +0200

> From: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: shipmints <at> gmail.com,  76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 13:30:17 -0300
> 
> Do I wish a user option to override `comp-abi-hash` would be available
> to the lisp user? Yes. Do I think exposing it is a good idea? No. For
> that I believe you guys know better :)

This is extremely UN-recommended!  The hashes in the directory and
file names of the *.eln files are designed to make sure, with high
probability, that you never load a .eln file which is incompatible
with the Emacs you are running, because doing so will almost
certainly cause a crash at some point.

So you are well advised not to do that, even if Emacs gives you enough
rope to hang yourself.

Message #38 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>, 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:43:15 -0500

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Further, if your Emacs is built with native libraries precompiled, Emacs
uses comp-abi-hash to find those libraries.  If you change it, you will not
be happy.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 11:41 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
> > Cc: shipmints <at> gmail.com,  76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 13:30:17 -0300
> >
> > Do I wish a user option to override `comp-abi-hash` would be available
> > to the lisp user? Yes. Do I think exposing it is a good idea? No. For
> > that I believe you guys know better :)
>
> This is extremely UN-recommended!  The hashes in the directory and
> file names of the *.eln files are designed to make sure, with high
> probability, that you never load a .eln file which is incompatible
> with the Emacs you are running, because doing so will almost
> certainly cause a crash at some point.
>
> So you are well advised not to do that, even if Emacs gives you enough
> rope to hang yourself.
>

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Message #41 received at 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
To: Ship Mints <shipmints <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 19:57:01 -0300

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Let me know if that doesn't work.

Just finished installing 30.1 on all my machines. I also removed my old
customization for renaming `eln-cache-[hostname]`, and everything is
working like a charm.

> So you are well advised not to do that, even if Emacs gives you enough
> rope to hang yourself.

This phrase definitely made my day. Haha!


Well, as far as I’m concerned, I consider this question very well answered.


Thanks again.

-- 

Rahul Martim Juliato

Message #46 received at 76586-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
Cc: shipmints <at> gmail.com, 76586-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76586: 30.1; Question regarding eln-cache
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:16:14 +0200

> From: Rahul Martim Juliato <rahuljuliato <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 76586 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 19:57:01 -0300
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Let me know if that doesn't work.
> 
> Just finished installing 30.1 on all my machines. I also removed my old
> customization for renaming `eln-cache-[hostname]`, and everything is
> working like a charm.
> 
> > So you are well advised not to do that, even if Emacs gives you enough
> > rope to hang yourself.
> 
> This phrase definitely made my day. Haha!
> 
> 
> Well, as far as I’m concerned, I consider this question very well answered.

Thanks, I'm therefore closing this bug.

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