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One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages' reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a regression, just a general bug report. -Stephane In GNU Emacs 30.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin22.6.0, NS appkit-2299.77 Version 13.7.2 (Build 22H313)) of 2025-02-25 built on Mac-1740473029287.local Repository revision: 2320030121b57844d3532119c12b340f1bbde5cb Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2113 System Description: macOS 12.7.6 Configured using: 'configure --with-ns --with-modules '--enable-locallisppath=/Library/Application Support/Emacs/${version}/site-lisp:/Library/Application Support/Emacs/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/opt/homebrew/share/emacs/site-lisp' --with-xwidgets --with-tree-sitter --with-native-compilation=aot 'CFLAGS=-O2 -I/nix/store/z0nspk4zsrimn9432vi6104fkl7gdrhv-libgccjit-13.3.0/include -I/nix/store/z0nspk4zsrimn9432vi6104fkl7gdrhv-libgccjit-13.3.0/include -DFD_SETSIZE=10000 -DDARWIN_UNLIMITED_SELECT -frandom-seed=mfaghx9lmv -isystem 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As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to installmy local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune andcurate packages.

One thing that surprised me, that I didn't not= ice in 29.4, is that if
'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is no= n-nil, 'package-list-packages'
reports built-ins needing upgrade= s from ELPA but to the *identical
versions* in the 30.1 tree.=C2=A0 I wa= s expecting upgrades to be actual
upgrades, not side-grades, as they say= .=C2=A0 The reason I didn't see
this on 29.4, is that the distro ver= sions were older than ELPA so I
was happy to take the upgrades.=C2=A0 Th= is does not appear to be a
regression, just a general bug report.
-Stephane

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--000000000000524045062efd65b5-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 26 08:28:59 2025 Received: (at 76567) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2025 13:29:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51512 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tnHT9-000130-Hk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:28:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40448) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tnHT6-00012i-7U for 76567@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:28:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tnHSz-0001oC-HL; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:28:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=CxtEgoFtqja+ffF8JY5RP+vBAfJwc0haGC9kuV+m4r8=; b=aCarhW9V6SAx iZj6XyeN1Lsrdan/Mw1jijJ+D3WtcynCoJSH2DpsdpR7RTpTgvstMFcfhAbYglAyzPtnEoO8TQZNW HPi+9MUnJAq8rbghL84nMGjl6vNL5ZWjQgWMqsbFwtPDnAEUBDdDrDD87vVHe8b0YFsdJOt7kQvrF v8C1EMLJxkA3RRZ9XGEBK5czRTviAWl+g2ZGGp55mJQpPUg5O4VCXKvN1iUSkrKoo7iaILB0z7wPe Jjyz8H3mXMfqxm4tCfEL2FHsJ5pd356bIQbTvsyHhNBoxqTRDrfaB50wd3XtR+wnEpJBkvTbW9Qtq qu9DZti6kFBgb7Y4F1EswQ==; Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 15:28:45 +0200 Message-Id: <8634g0x2b6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ship Mints , Philip Kaludercic In-Reply-To: (message from Ship Mints on Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#76567: 30.1; package-install-upgrade-built-in upgrades built-ins to the same version References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76567 Cc: 76567@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ship Mints > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 > > As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to install > my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune and > curate packages. > > One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if > 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages' > reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical > versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual > upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see > this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I > was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a > regression, just a general bug report. Philip, could you please look into this? 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I was expecting upgrades to be actual >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a >> regression, just a general bug report. > > Philip, could you please look into this? (emacs) Package Installation says: If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99 to a= non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99 in= the package menu: those might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace with newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if you want to update only a small number of built-in packages. I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. 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It seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives. On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Ship Mints > >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 > >> > >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to install > >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune and > >> curate packages. > >> > >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if > >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages' > >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical > >> versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual > >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see > >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I > >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a > >> regression, just a general bug report. > > > > Philip, could you please look into this? > > (emacs) Package Installation says: > > If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99 to= a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 > value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at > once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99 = in the package menu: those > might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace with > newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if you > want to update only a small number of built-in packages. > > I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. > --000000000000dda23f062f0d681e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"replace with=C2=A0newer versions from the archives" is not what's happening.=C2=A0 It = seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Ph= ilip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.ne= t> wrote:
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@g= nu.org> writes:

>> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500
>>
>> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to ins= tall
>> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune= and
>> curate packages.
>>
>> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is = that if
>> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'packag= e-list-packages'
>> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical=
>> versions* in the 30.1 tree.=C2=A0 I was expecting upgrades to be a= ctual
>> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say.=C2=A0 The reason I didn= 9;t see
>> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so = I
>> was happy to take the upgrades.=C2=A0 This does not appear to be a=
>> regression, just a general bug report.
>
> Philip, could you please look into this?

(emacs) Package Installation says:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2= =80=99 to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99
value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at
once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99 in= the package menu: those
might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace wit= h
newer versions from the archives.=C2=A0 Don't use these bulk commands i= f you
want to update only a small number of built-in packages.

I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do.
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I was expecting upgrades to be actual >> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see >> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I >> >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a >> >> regression, just a general bug report. >> > >> > Philip, could you please look into this? >> >> (emacs) Package Installation says: >> >> If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99 t= o a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 >> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at >> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99= in the package menu: those >> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace with >> newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if you >> want to update only a small number of built-in packages. >> >> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. >> > --000000000000a56fec062f0d7635 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
e.g., Emacs 30.1 embeds project.el:

;; Copyright (C) 2015-2025 Free Software Foundat= ion, Inc.
;; Version: 0.11.1
;; Package-Requires: ((emacs "26.1&= quot;) (xref "1.7.0"))

The not-newer version package downloaded from the a= rchives:
=
;; C= opyright (C) 2015-2024 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
;; Version: 0.11.1=
;; Package-Requires: ((emacs "26.1") (xref "1.7.0")= )

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:41=E2=80=AFAM S= hip Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> wrote:
"r= eplace with=C2=A0newer versions from the archives" is not what's happening.=C2=A0 It seems to replace with iden= tical versions, just from the archives.

On Wed, Feb 26, = 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> wrote:
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500
>>
>> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to ins= tall
>> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune= and
>> curate packages.
>>
>> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is = that if
>> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'packag= e-list-packages'
>> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical=
>> versions* in the 30.1 tree.=C2=A0 I was expecting upgrades to be a= ctual
>> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say.=C2=A0 The reason I didn= 9;t see
>> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so = I
>> was happy to take the upgrades.=C2=A0 This does not appear to be a=
>> regression, just a general bug report.
>
> Philip, could you please look into this?

(emacs) Package Installation says:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2= =80=99 to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99
value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at
once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99 in= the package menu: those
might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace wit= h
newer versions from the archives.=C2=A0 Don't use these bulk commands i= f you
want to update only a small number of built-in packages.

I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do.
--000000000000a56fec062f0d7635-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 26 11:48:20 2025 Received: (at 76567) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2025 16:48:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55144 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tnKa3-0004Wz-N3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:48:20 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:54261) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tnKZz-0004We-QG for 76567@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:48:17 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 837E6240104 for <76567@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:48:09 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1740588489; bh=YfyFKJg2xh5lo75qZPpg/xMXLt1Djl3pRPrbtrqI62Y=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:OpenPGP:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=DlMW3oTNwAk47y66NFY8WUG3WJT3zmTk2ALnumVvXG6xakRTjLFsPS47ZUnoLihWk UFOIRZtsqNEv/UvlE/aalRNdWQkBfcUTv0kuKj1y0OAONMDD3F1wpqAYNddX1kondU NsVugDnxL1MJw2vxtWf2c80ZgRlp6hpo+a8pYGiKoTEPaCO0aFjhTRfuAF5JTJBMTN LBXO3EjbFrqOijf5sRS6rnOOIbMCVJ5jh9P8W1gctlrxPkcJoTuCMEx/uOGFIUxQXO OvGQgSanIQXZHIw4J2xwDP78UrQp4x26IjKvg1GsLNVO2jAEWWb0S7Z7Tb0M3bX6uP JDBoYjwo1Xp8Q== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Z30lV6g34z6tvc; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 17:48:06 +0100 (CET) From: Philip Kaludercic To: Ship Mints Subject: Re: bug#76567: 30.1; package-install-upgrade-built-in upgrades built-ins to the same version In-Reply-To: References: <8634g0x2b6.fsf@gnu.org> <871pvklnpf.fsf@posteo.net> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM OpenPGP: id=7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66; url="https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/7126E1DE2F0CE35C770BED01F2C3CC513DB89F66"; preference=signencrypt Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 16:48:05 +0000 Message-ID: <87wmdck5yy.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76567 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 76567@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ship Mints writes: > "replace with newer versions from the archives" is not what's happening. > It seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives. The issue is that `package-install-upgrade-built-in' uses the phrasing If disabled, then =E2=80=98package-install=E2=80=99 will not suggest to r= eplace a built-in package with a (possibly newer) version from a package archive. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which is not to say that the behaviour you are describing is not good... A related issue here is that package.el has two separate upgrade procedures (package-upgrade-all and the list-package one) that cause these kinds of irregularities to pop up. I have been planning to rewrite the package list interface to use the same logic as the commands, but I have to find the time to do that properly :/ > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic > wrote: > >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Ship Mints >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 >> >> >> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to install >> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune and >> >> curate packages. >> >> >> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that if >> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, 'package-list-packages' >> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical >> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual >> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see >> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I >> >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a >> >> regression, just a general bug report. >> > >> > Philip, could you please look into this? >> >> (emacs) Package Installation says: >> >> If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99 t= o a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 >> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages at >> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80=99= in the package menu: those >> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace with >> newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if you >> want to update only a small number of built-in packages. >> >> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. >> From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 26 11:56:15 2025 Received: (at 76567) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2025 16:56:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55172 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tnKhi-0004xq-Q8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:56:15 -0500 Received: from mail-ua1-x933.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::933]:54277) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tnKhd-0004xX-Hy for 76567@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:56:12 -0500 Received: by mail-ua1-x933.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-868f35fdd27so17455241.0 for <76567@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:56:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740588964; x=1741193764; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=V/1CaQ+SvFpBVcWRrDpogjxZD7MJV6QQVjrihpsv0DY=; b=Y27S0EBxBs1g/WxRIA5TDyORjXfUkYVl2oqJuuVQYxRlgoUdb7CX6PSr3XZ9xQ77D/ IymrGRYywhhRRZU/6V0mEmI1mYc+wMi9cMk7dhIc9KHiXpv+HoLSpV0+eZNzVm6j2eOn Jfr0tGBtYJinHXowg/GSekd67IQNkxRSfChwgf0BkDNZWDO8Q74k0f/bRhbQOjXPQ7fz mEuSLCcb9ckMxJo9t6FaiIGhOP/CvrmF1eI3NcMdslMwPWpxbmcibk0C4kxfJb+D1AaF KFu9bRedhhGf4CGox5VdjvUFT76Jc4uyzMLaT/xFSmQK0+Ow1lOvWOeFpwLY++LCazax KWRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740588964; x=1741193764; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=V/1CaQ+SvFpBVcWRrDpogjxZD7MJV6QQVjrihpsv0DY=; b=vDPVpm9cauAuiUW1Ms9aIDemAAmuGRIYW9eURR2Up6m+TCOK0tJ+kx6I6JhoA+5keL P+7XxswLUefin4QPyefllmBH/6TAA+vfF2PxuPtPuHQA7mmMxx8iDnUCo7CS/jk53A7G +xAfDleXnRjJxywOawWyYI68mrRc6AdB6mN235zI/eMBM/9Zjugw4YRmnS9KBMoaRenk 3JlHy9jGll+DFqqXPPb+Vr5n3pc9mfvepj3td8CHS+yr/C+eI6YtvSIiQLbDpUjtd7mP FV3n7r1wIJxQFQvtpCYxW1X26nl7mz90Z+TVTzIYlrKjaaYDSHj4xvp9pmo8rzBYLfrO 7T7w== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWV//IzF98bbe1zvXS7Ov6/V1T6znNF0zXsjZ8bpvrCs+D3UqtuUyYJc+6OB+75kWj1PCADfg==@debbugs.gnu.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwySNkKIPWb7/fFvPv3ERiEKJde9lVESoL1Qi3Ixc3BpQox/mfl Ada9Nr2yaYoLa4KKwzYOqANe7LOTgOGLi7qU9NrD+4FI8a22c9VKPk+vYUcvhgWGxXTjgCFeTbI oMsHM8T+fE4+G7NgURLr0H8voAC0= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncsZCVPoXW5/TJ0hRvvfeDDoW/oipKyWBNwS/esfoSQzgpIdips0oF+WyWH1f0o ywzuez6geZyAn6dFFHF0ce7SS+QromS7cn6rcbq1oC5WkGYFSbqgqeMxN2Cfe1S9DJolxhGUicP HvdnecOlA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHOHV5T70mGnDn3dPxImAw5YLNBbUoLbndzQIJ3PqVEEBmc4tAlOPCqQdp6zwEQiHEav8T4IHZptXNfrvm2GII= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:50ab:b0:4bd:39a6:e98d with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4c00a916fe3mr5304386137.0.1740588963669; Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:56:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8634g0x2b6.fsf@gnu.org> <871pvklnpf.fsf@posteo.net> <87wmdck5yy.fsf@posteo.net> In-Reply-To: <87wmdck5yy.fsf@posteo.net> From: Ship Mints Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 11:55:52 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AQ5f1Jq9h_QGOwl4Q8rtmLaEOa5JIj3hb4QlyaO0flhL1Z4jMgczj7mvt48Oedw Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#76567: 30.1; package-install-upgrade-built-in upgrades built-ins to the same version To: Philip Kaludercic Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e12d9b062f0e7238" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76567 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 76567@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000e12d9b062f0e7238 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, then this behavior is merely unexpected per "newer" in the documentation, and it's not a bug, per se. -Stephane On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 11:48=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic wrote: > Ship Mints writes: > > > "replace with newer versions from the archives" is not what's happening= . > > It seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives. > > The issue is that `package-install-upgrade-built-in' uses the phrasing > > If disabled, then =E2=80=98package-install=E2=80=99 will not suggest to= replace a > built-in package with a (possibly newer) version from a package archive= . > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Which is not to say that the behaviour you are describing is not > good... A related issue here is that package.el has two separate > upgrade procedures (package-upgrade-all and the list-package one) that > cause these kinds of irregularities to pop up. I have been planning to > rewrite the package list interface to use the same logic as the > commands, but I have to find the time to do that properly :/ > > > > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic > > wrote: > > > >> Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> > >> >> From: Ship Mints > >> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500 > >> >> > >> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a program to > install > >> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity to prune > and > >> >> curate packages. > >> >> > >> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in 29.4, is that = if > >> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, > 'package-list-packages' > >> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *identical > >> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree. I was expecting upgrades to be actual > >> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say. The reason I didn't see > >> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than ELPA so I > >> >> was happy to take the upgrades. This does not appear to be a > >> >> regression, just a general bug report. > >> > > >> > Philip, could you please look into this? > >> > >> (emacs) Package Installation says: > >> > >> If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-built-in=E2=80=99= to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 > >> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packages a= t > >> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2=80= =99 in the package menu: those > >> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to replace wi= th > >> newer versions from the archives. Don't use these bulk commands if yo= u > >> want to update only a small number of built-in packages. > >> > >> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. > >> > --000000000000e12d9b062f0e7238 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay, then this behavior is merely unexpected per "newer" in t= he documentation, and it's not a bug,=C2=A0per se.

-Stephane

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 11:48=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> w= rites:

> "replace with newer versions from the archives" is not what&= #39;s happening.
> It seems to replace with identical versions, just from the archives.
The issue is that `package-install-upgrade-built-in' uses the phrasing<= br>
=C2=A0 If disabled, then =E2=80=98package-install=E2=80=99 will not suggest= to replace a
=C2=A0 built-in package with a (possibly newer) version from a package arch= ive.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Which is not to say that the behaviour you are describing is not
good...=C2=A0 A related issue here is that package.el has two separate
upgrade procedures (package-upgrade-all and the list-package one) that
cause these kinds of irregularities to pop up.=C2=A0 I have been planning t= o
rewrite the package list interface to use the same logic as the
commands, but I have to find the time to do that properly :/

>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:39=E2=80=AFAM Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>=
> wrote:
>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> >> From: Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2025 15:35:10 -0500
>> >>
>> >> As part of my production upgrade to 30.1, I wrote a progr= am to install
>> >> my local ELPA tree from scratch, and take the opportunity= to prune and
>> >> curate packages.
>> >>
>> >> One thing that surprised me, that I didn't notice in = 29.4, is that if
>> >> 'package-install-upgrade-built-in' is non-nil, &#= 39;package-list-packages'
>> >> reports built-ins needing upgrades from ELPA but to the *= identical
>> >> versions* in the 30.1 tree.=C2=A0 I was expecting upgrade= s to be actual
>> >> upgrades, not side-grades, as they say.=C2=A0 The reason = I didn't see
>> >> this on 29.4, is that the distro versions were older than= ELPA so I
>> >> was happy to take the upgrades.=C2=A0 This does not appea= r to be a
>> >> regression, just a general bug report.
>> >
>> > Philip, could you please look into this?
>>
>> (emacs) Package Installation says:
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 If you customize =E2=80=98package-install-upgrade-bui= lt-in=E2=80=99 to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99
>> value, be very careful when using commands that update many packag= es at
>> once, like =E2=80=98package-upgrade-all=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98U=E2= =80=99 in the package menu: those
>> might overwrite built-in packages that you didn't intent to re= place with
>> newer versions from the archives.=C2=A0 Don't use these bulk c= ommands if you
>> want to update only a small number of built-in packages.
>>
>> I read this as that OPs behaviour what the option intends to do. >>
--000000000000e12d9b062f0e7238-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 20 12:02:19 2025 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2025 16:02:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tvILZ-000692-VY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:02:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54770) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tvILR-00068I-KI; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:02:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tvILH-0003NZ-PS; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:02:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=fm4tMMojJ3NjjReNoEnD7jArR0eTEojMnman4fX9WBc=; b=mVi55PFf+ir6D04Motv+ /7HE4P0m/YNHHSdLb6Nat6FAmBmspHRtCoTclRd4kD2wgbEkWK98xn/iyTeZlzqFvSRzY+G0WYgOU PXGj4ZoLup64eI5e5lXBPRDx156TCZQ05lS/og9/ZK41r2XU5NAStGf4/OTEIgbabZxYSDPzh4GKw mPsCa/LOq6/b26qXSlUUKG+e7/2DfDzJWSU6g2EwMkIj61SSoDDPfR88zwmJ0esgeY0105Wq/CzCN NgJl7poTkV3FEJ9R1DgWws5txyUKYdhgxM4XLS2IlFtGVzledQWNjGZ+DNeW9X6EiKVoPgp8yJnds Z0Pm00p9DH6Z+w==; Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 18:01:18 +0200 Message-Id: <86h63nn12p.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ship Mints In-Reply-To: (message from Ship Mints on Thu, 20 Mar 2025 11:50:10 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#77136: 31.0.50; package.el: Built-in packages marked as upgradable when versions =?utf-8?Q?=E2=89=A4?= bundled version References: <87a59foghh.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control Cc: davidimagid@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, 77136@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefankangas@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) merge 77136 76567 thanks > From: Ship Mints > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 11:50:10 -0400 > Cc: 77136@debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic , > Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , > Stefan Kangas > > David, > > See the discussion here https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=76567 Merging these two bugs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 20 12:10:09 2025 Received: (at 76567) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2025 16:10:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58612 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tvITB-0006au-IO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:10:09 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:25646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tvIT7-0006Vu-Ms for 76567@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:10:07 -0400 Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A9F9D441F34; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:09:59 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1742486998; bh=8am0z2IfQta1GWloV0wl5gWDKkCOBvFgf0aSvBSymgY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=ahs5/pr0pdzznIbXMJ6GGsJ/R0DgC2Ihy4ORRpINxT/eidpMsO2rQ3Ld4tL75Mgnc TVHb491lAI62tII2bxa/AMjj5+hPQMG6KYoffjQZe9FmsI2R9A0GzhAl6N5bvVCQMj g5o3uRFUMU3VcFcjPgPOwlfnZoMJT3fmclOj2QowrIBx+OdJyZFunwFaNfJacSjzyN BgCDVqYKjCzYip+HZyIDPZPeP9r1ehXjI+nX3DWrZ4/wPQeUGU7DNJQucKeNNb+u5m Ggc3hx0Kwt/qqUCzAgnQ99ltglTQ/A9Q74TfNJ6D0GteAhDXjnMVMfRpKS+faplgLy Wz7TfPar8gzLg== Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8D24E440B45; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pastel (unknown [104.247.242.5]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5AFA9120497; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Ship Mints Subject: Re: bug#76567: 30.1; package-install-upgrade-built-in upgrades built-ins to the same version In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8634g0x2b6.fsf@gnu.org> <871pvklnpf.fsf@posteo.net> <87wmdck5yy.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:09:57 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.416 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain DKIM_VALID_EF -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from envelope-from domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76567 Cc: Philip Kaludercic , Eli Zaretskii , 76567@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Okay, then this behavior is merely unexpected per "newer" in the > documentation, and it's not a bug, per se. I think it should definitely count as a bug because what appears as a "side-grade" might really be a downgrade because version NN.MM on GNU ELPA corresponds to the commit where `Version:` was modified to "NN.MM", whereas the built-in version may still say `Version: NN.MM` but with various bug fixes and improvements installed since then. [ The problem is yet more tricky with GNU-devel ELPA, because `Version: NN.MM` will lead to packages with version numbers NN.MM.0.DATE.TIME, so they will always appear to be strictly greater than the built-in version. But least there, they should indeed be the latest&greatest, so at least it should be at worst a side-grade, not a downgrade (except for corner cases, like when the creation of the GNU-devel tarball fails for some reason, but this should be rare enough). ] Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 20 12:56:06 2025 Received: (at 76567) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2025 16:56:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58691 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tvJBY-0003Q5-6M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:56:06 -0400 Received: from mail-ua1-x92d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::92d]:46451) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tvJBW-0003Pm-2U; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:55:59 -0400 Received: by mail-ua1-x92d.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-867129fdb0aso871079241.1; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:55:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1742489752; x=1743094552; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=mime-version:message-id:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=4JkEJji33hAvcpJeYj+XoZ7PlOsnJS0BKzyiJmQXQus=; b=R/hDfoRHQOOwruX/Op1ZLqYt8S5PF63LrDzRGJT4rpeHScgmP2s7/e0mWVp/vq3wx1 TrEhfVHKPE0LKLfgspO70qHqWi+Z+lCCGZs0fkzUx5BiXOJjsXZ7pLavWNURQbcUY5Lv uUx6krd8x/0lp/V2zgvjCVRX9Mfv5LQO4PpwO3LwJWvFF3MrCElcJc5Mk+dhJWB3o5vE 0Xt3q3aSUtD8+9QCtMgWFmAlwMl72KYoZhZKZxAyNVAhbZAsXTNf4oVZtjsssJHLUW+k zImPkuK6Kz+ybWYwFrDKRqOc4RiVpoxs+cqFu0bLBLoTsgEfHBi3STILXiU+4sMnDPtP fYAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1742489752; x=1743094552; h=mime-version:message-id:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=4JkEJji33hAvcpJeYj+XoZ7PlOsnJS0BKzyiJmQXQus=; b=VzWX0+HoqK2ClNCD1dWcLzTrZbvFA3zjiZkO1YhA/qD7I8Um2ladpxPL0XepV4zstx 54ykvkZERunBzMZpWU3pfBAS2v2BEWA8hovFSQ0/H9YRVwA8ByyFsQYvqrgbnUOa4o+5 7TJo7e3Qm9LhiOM9fZVHoc5oVMHSjYI5XcLh5Ck5jwDwyaxoJ+4ypPAzcLdxGa3i5hGr q/kRZjZzfmXCARbFKeCOLZKnLc2b979uwWsIvPkLwhzYjkyIvKQTkE94VNln9/KsgcqG WybyW4yG9sUa7lfesD9jOmyw4W+cnC46LTmWw0C+ypgwlQmwlNHmOc9ljijsbfVd4cbz jzYg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUn/5nuiRbKR61Ziy9hFW+jJ3TH3XR1M6ZQBJ/UyHqYAUY5t+zNk3IT6OsrQdoillwF3ZKxSg==@debbugs.gnu.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxSu8h7FDUfcDrMJ30HcfZT2/DewkcodMspFHpIwvW0CxV3mUtB 5t/TxJ0SULDWBSXLJvhv2cKVom3IcImYoqbrnQhJbYk5Khzi1Js7 X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctTXm/Tgh1MTgtnlmVu63a5l+LDmyiL8dyTFoy8bkJZ7t0MLsBH6EAOhYanQ3l fEt5TF1FFIp5UEiBEstjE9nsJxcBT5BvWJ5/HdlNKigBM4H0CuwTuI4Pn290GgZBNL3S62VY9mg vwN/XCT70iMdk5P1CkLue+J774H7nJ/IsPNzYkcSFdnJKf08LsL8i/42cNiKwKmI+EqKvsqUnjD EfqelXBI+ZkXisFRS9AgXczYH5iTqjqQtODbuCFdkFZkmKVxvuIS+OXZSbUg87WvAM2yhkpkVxU NRhfYjALWLT9+jDkNi8mWElTI3d0jqiOrfFmAA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEmaRs7hY/zADUyFTNTMnK1WqBuNetotzGHMs9VJfpzYYZrUzsdKaaXZnWKe4+qM9Z9Lp9yuA== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:c8c:b0:4ba:99b5:60f5 with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4c4ec84caf3mr7162301137.23.1742489751812; Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fedora ([190.6.17.138]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ada2fe7eead31-4c50b985b6dsm53652137.0.2025.03.20.09.55.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:55:50 -0700 (PDT) From: david To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: [PATCH] bug#77136 and bug#76567: package.el: Add package--newer-with-priority-p for built-in upgrades In-Reply-To: <86h63nn12p.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a59foghh.fsf@gmail.com> <86h63nn12p.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 31.0.50 Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 12:55:42 -0400 Message-ID: <87zfhfy73l.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76567 Cc: philipk@posteo.net, 77136@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, 76567@debbugs.gnu.org, Ship Mints , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hello Emacs maintainers, This patch improves built-in package upgrade checks by adding package--newer-with-priority-p. Combines version and priority checks: 1. New numeric version > built-in 2. Priority version > built-in (when enabled) Replaces direct comparisons in package-menu--find-upgrades. Uses package-desc-status instead of array indexes. Happy to adjust as needed for inclusion in master. Best regards, David D. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-package.el-Add-package-newer-with-priority-p-for-bui.patch Content-Description: package.el: Add package--newer-with-priority-p for built-in upgrades >From 78c9c9a49a1240926934e0f731458b4ca93b0c78 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: dimagid Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 13:02:40 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] package.el: Add package--newer-with-priority-p for built-in upgrades Detect newer available packages than built-in versions using both version and archive priority checks. The new function: 1. Marks built-ins as upgradable only if: a) Available version > built-in version numerically, AND b) Available priority version > built-in version (when enabled) 2. Replaces direct version comparisons with centralized logic * lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el (package--newer-with-priority-p): New function combining numeric version check and priority validation for built-ins. (package-menu--find-upgrades): Use new comparison. Query status via package-desc-status instead of array indexes. --- lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el | 26 +++++++++++++++++++------- 1 file changed, 19 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el index b9a8dacab15..9652da189c7 100644 --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/package.el @@ -3844,6 +3844,16 @@ package-desc-priority-version (cons (package-desc-priority pkg-desc) (package-desc-version pkg-desc))) +(defun package--newer-with-priority-p (old new) + "Return non-nil if NEW is newer than OLD, considering priority. +Both OLD and NEW are `package-desc' objects. +Priority is only considered if NEW is newer than OLD." + (let ((old-version (package-desc-version old))) + (and (version-list-< old-version (package-desc-version new)) + (or (not (package--active-built-in-p old)) + (version-list-< old-version + (package-desc-priority-version new)))))) + (defun package-menu--find-upgrades () "In Package Menu, return an alist of packages that can be upgraded. The alist has the same form as `package-alist', namely a list @@ -3853,19 +3863,21 @@ package-menu--find-upgrades ;; Build list of installed/available packages in this buffer. (dolist (entry tabulated-list-entries) ;; ENTRY is (PKG-DESC [NAME VERSION STATUS DOC]) - (let ((pkg-desc (car entry)) - (status (aref (cadr entry) 2))) - (cond ((member status '("installed" "dependency" "unsigned" "external" "built-in")) + (let ((pkg-desc (car entry))) + (cond ((member + (package-desc-status pkg-desc) + '("installed" "dependency" "unsigned" "external" "built-in")) (push pkg-desc installed)) - ((member status '("available" "new")) - (setq available (package--append-to-alist pkg-desc available)))))) + ((member (package-desc-status pkg-desc) + '("available" "new")) + (setq available + (package--append-to-alist pkg-desc available)))))) ;; Loop through list of installed packages, finding upgrades. (dolist (pkg-desc installed) (let* ((name (package-desc-name pkg-desc)) (avail-pkg (cadr (assq name available)))) (and avail-pkg - (version-list-< (package-desc-priority-version pkg-desc) - (package-desc-priority-version avail-pkg)) + (package--newer-with-priority-p pkg-desc avail-pkg) (or (not (package--active-built-in-p pkg-desc)) package-install-upgrade-built-in) (push (cons name avail-pkg) upgrades)))) -- 2.48.1 --=-=-=--