From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 21 01:20:45 2025 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2025 06:20:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlMOy-0007bt-3Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 01:20:45 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:37510) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlMOu-0007aV-RO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 01:20:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tlMOo-0007rm-A0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 01:20:34 -0500 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tlMOm-000262-1F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 01:20:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=ESHz0jpExWW+79+KOwV7CziJnBAuyBtBxhKI5Y1SX9ZXnFFGtRZVeYx/s8FkM3Og8rfhr5z0Xr+76znGzSHkCoXVQLtSpxKorhI/WGtc6yAzokDuwfuaTX1140vKWawRXykKfFUfCo0apT1Br7Q7B9MtgUEcLluObLkmO8/MbLH0+iiFvMDpMYbPSHUnDWEciJC0TK7gvykiumba4iWVB+VFcbVh0GTsTIXoJYwzCebGhxD1ENgTCFjo7Ua+rrFo79fvGyiS7DwjLYYPXzU/4zCU3NEUrbYioZJEgKrOHWDKphbcBH8XtZYOgdG+cgx4eu75fMpAEXJwz+EBZmj+8A==; s=purelymail1; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=Pn/Gj7hOXwYQi0wJv9b8cIj5o9YqJ3vVMkSs5S5mMG0=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=SokSgp/23iOw07N5JHi6bP2tx7imTjpiBwxYnnFFJXXqnFgor/xhsYphbeVs2gIBjACyTgi0vXLXuUhqJOmelWnHJ9wgdStGMiAqG5Pkueto3qB3DcVfAvHoL5IpUtZhpCvVQ/gnMcviNlv8eZEjdOJm4UjvafdHS8IY2zwiXtkXU1oreXUkCH1NXb/5iCozMzIWzWSVKxHy1K9mosTDIdAZu0IFwnGzk0JA9yILlRdFhvNah9NfQmH/JQW533SE8Op2NvSQQpScyoWzn1MN6357uz+znTutf53kUk6SwSc7fbuYp6F5JtwrmxnUPRq7JbFPs37yhoaokrHwchPR5w==; s=purelymail1; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=Pn/Gj7hOXwYQi0wJv9b8cIj5o9YqJ3vVMkSs5S5mMG0=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -167911684 for (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Fri, 21 Feb 2025 06:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 999587EAE8A; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 14:20:20 +0800 (CST) From: Sean Whitton To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 31.0.50; Cannot create bookmark to chained TRAMP connection Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 14:20:20 +0800 Message-ID: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=34.202.193.197; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=sendmail.purelymail.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-debbugs-cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de Hello, I have a role account on a machine where I have to SSH to the machine as spwhitton and then use sudo to do things as the role account. I can get to it like this: C-x C-f /ssh:t2u-oracle|sudo:tag2upload-oracle@t2u-oracle:~/ RET This opens a dired buffer, which is a useful place to start working on the machine. But if I then use C-x r m to create a bookmark to get back there more quickly, the bookmark is created with the filename property set to "/sudo:tag2upload-oracle@t2u-oracle:~/" which is wrong, as visiting that bookmark would try to access an account on localhost. I can work around this problem by manually editing my bookmarks file. Thanks. -- Sean Whitton From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 21 01:51:28 2025 Received: (at 76457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2025 06:51:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50939 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlMsh-0003r7-Fs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 01:51:28 -0500 Received: from mail-pj1-x1042.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::1042]:47270) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlMsf-0003q3-RZ for 76457@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 01:51:26 -0500 Received: by mail-pj1-x1042.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2fcc99efe9bso2808948a91.2 for <76457@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 22:51:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740120680; x=1740725480; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=yaPenGAEy2mLw8fNybrVCGkPkWaq1zAVohfrAyVPn9M=; b=fSURUnjEYdc5yPxspwCAociwGsO7sCBJrKPPGw0BuLTmHe+tg8XORnOfEOF57MzmAK t4m/i9sQVCAL+sCIjSm0WnR+pq0jaG3vCMSDibFFiMTvAN5XEC6KFxicDEKQvymoI/wL C8n3iK3Hwu3CN4Cx6JZAyvvOy0PhYse/se3l7HNq2EkhvAdl6KNOaOMhebYVBN0YsxNC FS+wzJRUwJH4+pKVBmMAoqdH+aUsmlz1fQtvPZNVjOixx5g6e5HMLUs4CtVOv840ZGz4 K0u/cMD9z/dWGmdR1Um7qoQlLXY5m6GzgXyMnJJUiuUfdlTfzj8fggFxsbEVYkd2ukgm V/vQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740120680; x=1740725480; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yaPenGAEy2mLw8fNybrVCGkPkWaq1zAVohfrAyVPn9M=; b=vcgBuMeKeiAE0rLl4jGnZ9gYJeWp+glvMSMYKYIsH+kcHznRdkjU+PQDY+N/WkFUlQ Ojs5tuVyTGhaueeRZFtDNlQTSGZQXMvyOZxqgd8Gr9zRqs0g7XUZb9f1oAn7HLLHf7UO x8jkMnoGHk+GdGChAySoWv66m1JaM84CzanBW+b0kLcBNYi/aDY3qdPXKEzI+zHqxlRZ 3ONTHVhsHO8PaFA06A2dZxrU3TZXz4OZ7MYjcVQcINfdXv5lL84H+jo4S4532ZOK5Lbs Hw+tCyl8LxhismgXbqIAPtz+n0hWqIcigKTXGo251d+/WG1LHJuU2p6whMufBII2/RVq msPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yxbl2b/3wUZH9xJ4G3AxVo485kkt0PZbiMlCJFwAIG8d4dVPlmV L/AbUmLpYCFgYP0P1Urce493zPqTJy0DZpW2W88zVXhPAhxOptnh X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncs5QDSJBTG6XTChpS8TK+E9o4RX7jDfrvONTUColRGvpUQToR481yVNZXaCjdy vabvzjF7IsNp87iAg4dfyzu0H7Ajwmb3xjDglASNtx4DJVhOq0MMXCSzVXyaoekH0k2iOzTW7E+ etLK1cHyZuLyDc+wXs/66dVum3LjMQozpOpQYdJ8Dcuk7CLgQomavG0X9fw+yLAqVScytLEw7FL iJCvkIi4Cv6qfZKFLwPw3hJiCKoJOU8+dsqQYu3FF1kn4zETo6Md6sUeeXqtjjSdlqAmHGu09va dbbz08b8azByfOMKHMHLS8I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFC3SC9iYCcmwXTZkLuD0rzc6aOeuHIuc0H0FZgzagS7gvqrAP+2SddHM2xX1qb/8/O5Wn44Q== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:548f:b0:2ee:d7d3:3008 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2fce86ae5d0mr3361000a91.12.1740120679551; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 22:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([115.240.90.130]) by smtp.gmail.com with UTF8SMTPSA id 98e67ed59e1d1-2fceb07976dsm549170a91.32.2025.02.20.22.51.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 20 Feb 2025 22:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: Visuwesh To: Sean Whitton Subject: Re: bug#76457: 31.0.50; Cannot create bookmark to chained TRAMP connection In-Reply-To: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> References: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 12:21:14 +0530 Message-ID: <878qpzx02l.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76457 Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, 76457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF= =E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Sean Whitt= on wrote: > X-debbugs-cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de > > Hello, > > I have a role account on a machine where I have to SSH to the machine as > spwhitton and then use sudo to do things as the role account. > > I can get to it like this: > > C-x C-f /ssh:t2u-oracle|sudo:tag2upload-oracle@t2u-oracle:~/ RET > > This opens a dired buffer, which is a useful place to start working on > the machine. > > But if I then use C-x r m to create a bookmark to get back there more > quickly, the bookmark is created with the filename property set to > "/sudo:tag2upload-oracle@t2u-oracle:~/" which is wrong, as visiting that > bookmark would try to access an account on localhost. > > I can work around this problem by manually editing my bookmarks file. I think you want tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies to be non-nil. See bug#65039 where a similar discussion is being held. 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In my local git repo, there is a pending change of the Tramp manual: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- =E2=80=A2 Why saved multi-hop file names do not work in a new Emacs session? When saving ad-hoc multi-hop TRAMP file names (*note Ad-hoc multi-hops::) via bookmarks, recent files, filecache, bbdb, or another package, use the full ad-hoc file name including all hops, like =E2=80=98/ssh:bird@bastion|ssh:news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc= =E2=80=99. This is achieved by setting the user option =E2=80=98tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 to non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80= =99. Alternatively, when saving abbreviated multi-hop file names like =E2=80=98/ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc=E2=80=99, the user opt= ion =E2=80=98tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 must be set non-=E2=80=98n= il=E2=80=99 value. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Does this help? > Thanks. Best regards, Michael. 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Want to try it? On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 1:21=E2=80=AFAM Sean Whitton wrote: > X-debbugs-cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de > > Hello, > > I have a role account on a machine where I have to SSH to the machine as > spwhitton and then use sudo to do things as the role account. > > I can get to it like this: > > C-x C-f /ssh:t2u-oracle|sudo:tag2upload-oracle@t2u-oracle:~/ RET > > This opens a dired buffer, which is a useful place to start working on > the machine. > > But if I then use C-x r m to create a bookmark to get back there more > quickly, the bookmark is created with the filename property set to > "/sudo:tag2upload-oracle@t2u-oracle:~/" which is wrong, as visiting that > bookmark would try to access an account on localhost. > > I can work around this problem by manually editing my bookmarks file. > > Thanks. > > -- > Sean Whitton > > > > --000000000000bc142f062ea42d2d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Awaiting further review and installation:

https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/= bug-gnu-emacs/2025-02/msg01593.html

I tested that it handles multi-hops bookmark= s.=C2=A0 Want to try it?

On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at= 1:21=E2=80=AFAM Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> wrote:
X-debbugs-cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de

Hello,

I have a role account on a machine where I have to SSH to the machine as spwhitton and then use sudo to do things as the role account.

I can get to it like this:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 C-x C-f /ssh:t2u-oracle|sudo:tag2upload-oracle@t2u-oracle:~/ = RET

This opens a dired buffer, which is a useful place to start working on
the machine.

But if I then use C-x r m to create a bookmark to get back there more
quickly, the bookmark is created with the filename property set to
"/sudo:tag2upload-oracle@t2u-oracle:~/" which is wrong, as visiti= ng that
bookmark would try to access an account on localhost.

I can work around this problem by manually editing my bookmarks file.

Thanks.

--
Sean Whitton



--000000000000bc142f062ea42d2d-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 21 23:58:54 2025 Received: (at 76457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2025 04:58:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43340 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlhbK-0004ZL-GV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 23:58:54 -0500 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:60076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlhbI-0004YT-MZ for 76457@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 23:58:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=GLsBXYeR0DMcyh0BcYTCg3Q8byGmt5NkzZmtpyL303Aa3t+UTDrjp7gM3nGVyuhssqX2F4DqX05oxURLE3PHtOijyJWoyArO5TbUENQ2o366y8+33m4ejACAc8zpMKf2jBCzXIwtdzA5SyAPrGfzGXi6Cm7rsi0PrNqtspHfcNBGa9IPsBd8MJVekOXSMdAyTPaV8hY7xqA1TV2hJ7ZZlzyY0pcw6wntZ13UB1VgMZ/BO+lX2NRTII09s95oQkz6OTAEQoYjpHx+SQM6097I4L7wekGd7NwPxdIKtZIb4AU5jb6LejqLkRfc5ekQ8TFR2Q9EKHwxqrwjgd1vbzfGQA==; s=purelymail1; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=+g0R9CXNDjYAhLfmxWqjHuYA49kpi3IbgUgMerf/euQ=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=jfioiWa/73l6mmItuIEIUx2+YIa8ds8GukOcVEDOYtp+Oa1EY4WffT3xvoY2OAlOpnVyRJu/xH3/rndKcxKWTLNEoyLntDTCMza7lgDQf7Xqz+HauIBL+5+bRDdb7UCF7iTOjaV+MBF+4LImAa4ik9RssaiX1mI93F3i2UdSuS62GbS3JY+WdTY7DEkEh7zdHHcniUQx+Du4DEco2/UgJnRk7MDwLP9K2HIxOpB78Lf+gJRQRZYcxc4IpeRVrOQpY8un0mEtKoDZkyISoumsj5VBDIEAq/h8BVovw9rNHIQUoQvxtWWpidDcBYrAnho3lirqKCzhdhMukPmk3OQVNQ==; s=purelymail1; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=+g0R9CXNDjYAhLfmxWqjHuYA49kpi3IbgUgMerf/euQ=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id 1999896866; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Sat, 22 Feb 2025 04:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 653667EB2BF; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:58:41 +0800 (CST) From: Sean Whitton To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#76457: 31.0.50; Cannot create bookmark to chained TRAMP connection In-Reply-To: <87seo7yduz.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus via's message of "Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:08:04 +0100") References: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87seo7yduz.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:58:41 +0800 Message-ID: <87mseeshha.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76457 Cc: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello Michael, On Fri 21 Feb 2025 at 08:08am +01, Michael Albinus wrote: > In my local git repo, there is a pending change of the Tramp manual: > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > =E2=80=A2 Why saved multi-hop file names do not work in a new Emacs > session? > > When saving ad-hoc multi-hop TRAMP file names (*note Ad-hoc > multi-hops::) via bookmarks, recent files, filecache, bbdb, or > another package, use the full ad-hoc file name including all > hops, like =E2=80=98/ssh:bird@bastion|ssh:news.my.domain:/opt/news/e= tc=E2=80=99. > This is achieved by setting the user option > =E2=80=98tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 to non-=E2=80=98nil=E2= =80=99. > > Alternatively, when saving abbreviated multi-hop file names like > =E2=80=98/ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc=E2=80=99, the user o= ption > =E2=80=98tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 must be set non-=E2=80= =98nil=E2=80=99 value. > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > Does this help? Thanks! The first paragraph is helpful, but then the second paragraph confuses me a bit. What is the relationship between the two options? Also, why is tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies not non-nil by default? Just a matter of preserving backwards compatibility? --=20 Sean Whitton From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 22 00:00:53 2025 Received: (at 76457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2025 05:00:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43380 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlhdE-0004y8-MG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 00:00:53 -0500 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:44544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlhdC-0004x0-CD for 76457@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 00:00:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=aBqzAZ+SXEPhRtkxVPCKgHN3hcCsEtj3UuFny8ouoqNddffzKitVE1xkJl2kdcu5n+1Lb5mi5cbKW37IprmV6ITFDX9e/PPTonDDWiMwx985QGZ36ksWi9GCqT3kXRjWP/v/pi+GubTouizoJhuOS7jQIZX14SCPAqRgrfEWK8GsHlF6dyW9n1miCVg5sKhcgJByjIFRpmciX9ZS6vDJK3VyCcMHTixd68sIi3faLweKr1vQbOAyGIqZq0cXt4APqZcd067iHjGpK34PXM0gFmTaLTXcMMF5SO6i9zyt9ZKvqry7HqtSoB85YEAzHjtZeo9RiIRPfZ17gOJFU3HEAQ==; s=purelymail1; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=DLDSX4oOVFr1gOK7yILYVcpXwJQBUogJ6x8u3PjYMOA=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=CcUr84fQZJcd7ssbN8uyTaog5iLOX4pZ+WgHmQcHiZZj1pX63rxw5utCXdtHeMoGEeIiO6dQU9/TcoGFSq6sWoU57ZvXeSQh67Q/qNmV9owWG/qwr9IrJQ1n5r/GBDhdi9lSVEFTQqieU9BzCbxrUO5yOiQnwbSE+PQqyyjw4iks6MeFuHis/d1cpdijD5LJe2cJCmEASiiGeudqGZheXBvMOQbVsVBf1g2PIlpt9DBlmFL0oAPxxlU1ucD80xyBWBgLB+vVY9RJIjOmq4htCK+/WMrScOV/vbwN9abKFw8MyVV3BMMAlIBd88JbaD4OVIOI12+6l9my7XFjiTU3Mw==; s=purelymail1; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=DLDSX4oOVFr1gOK7yILYVcpXwJQBUogJ6x8u3PjYMOA=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -421130086; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Sat, 22 Feb 2025 05:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 247867ED64F; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 13:00:41 +0800 (CST) From: Sean Whitton To: Ship Mints , Visuwesh Subject: Re: bug#76457: 31.0.50; Cannot create bookmark to chained TRAMP connection In-Reply-To: (Ship Mints's message of "Fri, 21 Feb 2025 05:08:46 -0500") References: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 13:00:41 +0800 Message-ID: <87ikp2shdy.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76457 Cc: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On Fri 21 Feb 2025 at 05:08am -05, Ship Mints wrote: > Awaiting further review and installation: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2025-02/msg01593.html > > I tested that it handles multi-hops bookmarks. Want to try it? Thanks, Visuwesh and Ship Mints, for the reference. 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>> >> When saving ad-hoc multi-hop TRAMP file names (*note Ad-hoc >> multi-hops::) via bookmarks, recent files, filecache, bbdb, or >> another package, use the full ad-hoc file name including all >> hops, like =E2=80=98/ssh:bird@bastion|ssh:news.my.domain:/opt/news/= etc=E2=80=99. >> This is achieved by setting the user option >> =E2=80=98tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 to non-=E2=80=98nil=E2= =80=99. >> >> Alternatively, when saving abbreviated multi-hop file names like >> =E2=80=98/ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc=E2=80=99, the user = option >> =E2=80=98tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 must be set non-=E2=80= =98nil=E2=80=99 value. >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> >> Does this help? > > Thanks! The first paragraph is helpful, but then the second paragraph > confuses me a bit. What is the relationship between the two options? I tried to say it with the beginning of the second paragraph. "Alternatively, ..." means, that both options are independent from each other. My English is notoriously bad. If you have a better phrasing, pls let me kn= ow. > Also, why is tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies not non-nil by default? > Just a matter of preserving backwards compatibility? The majority of Tramp users prefers the abbreviated form "/sudo:root@host:" when they have started with "/ssh:host|sudo::". This works as expected, unless you want to keep this over Emacs session boundaries. So it is a convenience default to initialize this option with nil. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 22 07:11:41 2025 Received: (at 76457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2025 12:11:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50114 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tloM8-0006zF-Ih for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 07:11:40 -0500 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:51042) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tloM4-0006xm-6i for 76457@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 07:11:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=bidxfis/o2Ex6gfMTQ/JX4Hq5i3jJmHP7XWyCi6jB1G+06byIOWQjF5xgdXBdlJ5zeh/ptnc3UBk50W181lcPEqQBxkA22zYTU/DvDOueiDUc0OIUg5qSygrH2SvLprb7Wd7GaRGe+oSBY8pcTiLYwn4+QckgyTzDmFWzR+NIWYzx1ykkzjaO/H75Y0bJPrZjkt7t7gIeSZ5wMa+tQ1siz14v6u+1fAk46YDhMAYRtyqUulMRhDAz5Okm0TLmv7lEIuG9AtbrI+bckXUldB6kH1OxCQQYpcN9ZvAzRbX0rnXCxUSzzvrISzyl4q6Xa1etXybcJ3dCBnB4QU29y8PqQ==; s=purelymail1; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=xpRmBNkZwukQcwGMiXYHgug6Zerh3WZTN6PiQd/52xE=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=XIQmF8SmIX1knjYwAi61k7vmW10wLf5tUdooMuh3o0I2wg5mICINW4KG91tl0zMf6la1X/plJSy1cTX6wV5qsbHe8AV07mhFUY9Fb4QYjVbqrnl0yYi+zAfHE9mvDh69VDldUgJd2YdzoHnbowqfoPAXiIE5HDjQyxvxv0Varmf9eR+Opo3R/3xsyZwquZ5RUo/1nnneHN3dM7ddWuOGlv/WJ7uSExJZwl6xils6l++/PQt4ory+7ng0VCJwJjHyFsnmV50jf5fEN72eH8bpmd550BrwI2cCm2UypNy5nljSvo8b7DAphyB5nml3JuZA2AX4TXCURmbo1bMy1zQ7ZQ==; s=purelymail1; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=xpRmBNkZwukQcwGMiXYHgug6Zerh3WZTN6PiQd/52xE=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -39636260; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B3A207E1D7B; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:11:25 +0800 (CST) From: Sean Whitton To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#76457: 31.0.50; Cannot create bookmark to chained TRAMP connection In-Reply-To: <875xl2wdg9.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus via's message of "Sat, 22 Feb 2025 10:12:06 +0100") References: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87seo7yduz.fsf@gmx.de> <87mseeshha.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <875xl2wdg9.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 20:11:25 +0800 Message-ID: <874j0mqivm.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76457 Cc: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On Sat 22 Feb 2025 at 10:12am +01, Michael Albinus via "Bug reports for GNU= Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrote: > Sean Whitton writes: > >> Hello Michael, > > Hi Sean, > >>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >>> =E2=80=A2 Why saved multi-hop file names do not work in a new Emacs >>> session? >>> >>> When saving ad-hoc multi-hop TRAMP file names (*note Ad-hoc >>> multi-hops::) via bookmarks, recent files, filecache, bbdb, or >>> another package, use the full ad-hoc file name including all >>> hops, like =E2=80=98/ssh:bird@bastion|ssh:news.my.domain:/opt/news= /etc=E2=80=99. >>> This is achieved by setting the user option >>> =E2=80=98tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 to non-=E2=80=98nil=E2= =80=99. >>> >>> Alternatively, when saving abbreviated multi-hop file names like >>> =E2=80=98/ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc=E2=80=99, the user= option >>> =E2=80=98tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 must be set non-=E2=80= =98nil=E2=80=99 value. >>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >>> >>> Does this help? >> >> Thanks! The first paragraph is helpful, but then the second paragraph >> confuses me a bit. What is the relationship between the two options? > > I tried to say it with the beginning of the second paragraph. > "Alternatively, ..." means, that both options are independent from each > other. > > My English is notoriously bad. If you have a better phrasing, pls let me = know. Here's an attempt: Why don't saved multi-hop file names work in a new Emacs session? By default, multi-hop file names are abbreviated after completing the initial connection. These abbreviated forms mention only the final hop, and so only the Emacs session that generated the abbreviated form can understand it. For example, after connecting to /ssh:bird@bastion|ssh:news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc, the file name becomes /ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc. If the abbreviated form is saved in a bookmark, the recent files list, bbdb, or similar, a new Emacs session has no way to know that the connection must go through bird@bastion first. There are two mechanisms to deal with this. The first is to customize tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies to a non-nil value, which disables abbreviation. Then the full multi-hop file name is the one that will be both displayed and saved. Alternatively, you can customize tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies to a non-nil value which means to save the full file names, but display the abbreviated ones. ... but is this actually a correct description of the behaviour? >> Also, why is tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies not non-nil by default? >> Just a matter of preserving backwards compatibility? > > The majority of Tramp users prefers the abbreviated form "/sudo:root@host= :" > when they have started with "/ssh:host|sudo::". This works as expected, > unless you want to keep this over Emacs session boundaries. So it is a > convenience default to initialize this option with nil. 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These abbreviated forms mention only the > I'd say retain instead of mention. > final hop, and so only the Emacs session that generated the > abbreviated form can understand it. > How about ...the originating Emacs session maintains an ephemeral record of the hops, and this will not be available to other Emacs sessions... For example, after connecting to > /ssh:bird@bastion|ssh:news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc, the file name > becomes /ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc. If the abbreviated > form is saved in a bookmark, the recent files list, bbdb, or > similar, a new Emacs session has no way to know that the connection > must go through bird@bastion first. > > There are two mechanisms to deal with this. The first is to > customize tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies to a non-nil value, which > disables abbreviation. Then the full multi-hop file name is the one > that will be both displayed and saved. > How about ...fully-qualified multi-hop file name... One nuance is that tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies must be customized to non-nil _in advance_ of making connections. Alternatively, you can customize tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies to a > non-nil value which means to save the full file names, but display > the abbreviated ones. > ...fully-qualified file names... One nuance here is that proxies saved via tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies are stored in a file local to the originating Emacs session. If one expects to share bookmarks, etc., outside that host, show trumps save, though they are not mutually exclusive options. That would also assume that one's .ssh/config, etc., are also synchronized. Mine are. And I want my Emacs sessions to work as identically as I can manage across hosts modulo platform specifics and perhaps different directory tree contents, and even then, I tend to use identical hierarchies everywhere. ... but is this actually a correct description of the behaviour? > Based on my recent testing and discussions with Michael, this is correct. The Tramp UI could be improved so that fully-qualified names are always retained yet made convenient to use abbreviated file names. That would solve for both persisting remote file names and interactive convenience. -Stephane --000000000000db607a062eba36ef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 7:12=E2=80=AFAM Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> wrote:
Here's an attempt:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Why don't saved multi-hop file names work in a new Emacs = session?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 By default, multi-hop file names are abbreviated after comple= ting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the initial connection.=C2=A0 These abbreviated forms mention= only the

I'd say retain instead of mention.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 final hop, and so only the Emacs session that generated the =C2=A0 =C2=A0 abbreviated form can understand it.

=
How= about ...the originating Emacs session maintains an ephemeral record of th= e hops, and this will not be available to other=C2=A0Emacs sessions...

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 For example, after connecting to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /ssh:bird@bastion|ssh:news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc, the file = name
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 becomes /ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc.=C2=A0 If the = abbreviated
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 form is saved in a bookmark, the recent files list, bbdb, or<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 similar, a new Emacs session has no way to know that the conn= ection
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 must go through bird@bastion first.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are two mechanisms to deal with this.=C2=A0 The first i= s to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 customize tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies to a non-nil value, which=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 disables abbreviation.=C2=A0 Then the full multi-hop file nam= e is the one
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 that will be both displayed and saved.
<= br>
= How about ...fully-qualified multi-hop file name...

One nuance is that=C2=A0tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies must be customized to no= n-nil _in advance_ of making connections.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Alternatively, you can customize tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies to= a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 non-nil value which means to save the full file names, but di= splay
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the abbreviated ones.

...fully-qualifie= d file names...

One nuance here is that proxies saved= via tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies are stored in a file local to the originatin= g Emacs session.=C2=A0 If one expects to share bookmarks, etc., outside tha= t host, show trumps save, though they are not mutually exclusive options.= =C2=A0 That would also assume that one's .ssh/config, etc., are also sy= nchronized.=C2=A0 Mine are.=C2=A0 And I want my Emacs sessions to work as i= dentically as I can manage across hosts modulo platform=C2=A0specifics and = perhaps different directory tree contents,=C2=A0and even then, I tend=C2=A0= to use identical hierarchies everywhere.
=
... but is this actually a correct description of the behaviour?

Based on my recent testing and=C2=A0discussions with Michael, this i= s correct.=C2=A0 The Tramp UI could be improved so that fully-qualified nam= es are always retained yet made convenient to use abbreviated file names.= =C2=A0 That would solve for both persisting remote file names and interacti= ve convenience.

-Stephane
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Finally, I have made the following changes based on your proposals (not pushed yet): In "5.4 Declaring multiple hops in the file name " --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- TRAMP adds the ad-hoc definitions as an ephemeral record to =E2=80=98tramp-default-proxies-alist=E2=80=99, which are available for reus= e during that Emacs session. Subsequent TRAMP connections to the same remote host can then use the abbreviated form =E2=80=98/ssh:you@remotehost:/path= =E2=80=99. -- User Option: tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies If this user option is non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99, ad-hoc definitions a= re kept in remote file names instead of showing the abbreviations. This is useful if the ad-hoc proxy definition shall be used in further Emacs sessions, kept in configuration files of recentf and other packages. A non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 setting of this option has effect only if = set before the connection is established. (customize-set-variable 'tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies t) Ad-hoc definitions are removed from =E2=80=98tramp-default-proxies-alist= =E2=80=99 via the command =E2=80=98M-x tramp-cleanup-all-connections =E2=80=99 (= *note Cleanup remote connections::). -- User Option: tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies For ad-hoc definitions to be saved automatically in =E2=80=98tramp-default-proxies-alist=E2=80=99 for future Emacs session= s, set =E2=80=98tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 to non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80= =99. The resulting user option =E2=80=98tramp-default-proxies-alist=E2=80=99 is saved in your = =E2=80=98.emacs=E2=80=99 file. If you use saved configuration files with abbreviated ad-hoc proxy definitions on another host, for example by distribution of the =E2=80=98recentf-save-file=E2=80=99, you must distribute your =E2= =80=98.emacs=E2=80=99 file as well. (customize-set-variable 'tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies t) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- In "7 Frequently Asked Questions" --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- =E2=80=A2 Why don't saved ad-hoc multi-hop file names work in a new Emacs session? By default, ad-hoc multi-hop file names are abbreviated after completing the initial connection. These abbreviated forms retain only the final hop, and so only the Emacs session that generated the abbreviated form can understand it. *Note Ad-hoc multi-hops::. For example, after connecting to =E2=80=98/ssh:bird@bastion|ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc=E2=80= =99, the file name becomes =E2=80=98/ssh:news@news.my.domain:/opt/news/etc=E2= =80=99. If the abbreviated form is saved in a bookmark, the recent files list, bbdb, or similar, a new Emacs session has no way to know that the connection must go through =E2=80=98bird@bastion=E2=80=99 fir= st. There are two mechanisms to deal with this. The first is to customize =E2=80=98tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies=E2=80=99 to a non-=E2=80= =98nil=E2=80=99 value, which disables abbreviation. Then the fully-qualified ad-hoc multi-hop file name is the one that will be both displayed and saved. *Note tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies::. Alternatively, you can customize =E2=80=98tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies=E2= =80=99 to a non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99 value which means to save the information ho= w an abbreviated multi-hop file name can be expanded. *Note tramp-save-ad-hoc-proxies::. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- WDYT? > The Tramp UI could be improved so that fully-qualified names > are always retained yet made convenient to use abbreviated file names. > That would solve for both persisting remote file names and > interactive convenience. No, there's a reason that ad-hoc multi-hop file names are ad-hoc. Sometimes, it isn't desirable to save them persistently over Emacs sessions. > -Stephane Best regards, Michael. 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Finally, I have made the following changes based on your > proposals (not pushed yet): > > In "5.4 Declaring multiple hops in the file name " > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > TRAMP adds the ad-hoc definitions as an ephemeral record to > =E2=80=98tramp-default-proxies-alist=E2=80=99, which are available for re= use during > that Emacs session. Subsequent TRAMP connections to the same remote > host can then use the abbreviated form =E2=80=98/ssh:you@remotehost:/path= =E2=80=99. > > -- User Option: tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies > If this user option is non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99, ad-hoc definitions= are kept in > remote file names instead of showing the abbreviations. This is > useful if the ad-hoc proxy definition shall be used in further > Emacs sessions, kept in configuration files of recentf and other > packages. > Here I think it would be good to clarify: If this user option is non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99, _fully-qualified_ ad= -hoc definitions are kept in The ad-hoc nature of these connections isn't really related to their potential abbreviations and that might confuse some people. Perhaps explain that multi-hop routes are not known to Emacs (can they be defined in ssh/config?), and the user has to create them on the fly, so they are "ad-hoc", so to speak? --00000000000066237b062ebd5234 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 10:33=E2=80=AFAM Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> wrote:
Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 7:12=E2=80=AFAM Sean Whitton
> <spwh= itton@spwhitton.name> wrote:

Thank you both. Finally, I have made the following changes based on your proposals (not pushed yet):

In "5.4 Declaring multiple hops in the file name "

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
=C2=A0 =C2=A0TRAMP adds the ad-hoc definitions as an ephemeral record to =E2=80=98tramp-default-proxies-alist=E2=80=99, which are available for reus= e during
that Emacs session.=C2=A0 Subsequent TRAMP connections to the same remote host can then use the abbreviated form =E2=80=98/ssh:you@remotehost:/path= =E2=80=99.

=C2=A0-- User Option: tramp-show-ad-hoc-proxies
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If this user option is non-=E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99, ad-ho= c definitions are kept in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0remote file names instead of showing the abbreviations.= =C2=A0 This is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0useful if the ad-hoc proxy definition shall be used in = further
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Emacs sessions, kept in configuration files of recentf = and other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0packages.

Here I think it would be= good to clarify:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If this user option is non-= =E2=80=98nil=E2=80=99, _fully-qualified_ ad-hoc definitions are kept in

The ad-hoc nature of these connections isn't real= ly related to their=C2=A0potential=C2=A0abbreviations and that might confus= e some people.=C2=A0 Perhaps explain that multi-hop routes are not known to= Emacs (can they be defined in ssh/config?), and the user has to create the= m on the fly, so they are "ad-hoc", so to speak?
--00000000000066237b062ebd5234-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 22 11:19:26 2025 Received: (at 76457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2025 16:19:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56964 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlsDt-00089p-Li for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:19:25 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:46241) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlsDo-00089L-LP for 76457@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:19:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1740241154; x=1740845954; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=C476LiG/OL5PWUK1ugiOJSQGto2+0GWzm5Vyi3/+Rik=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=mZ+Uue1XY9i98Vut9+oLTc2FGWbHBGNvbOC9Om3tsPVBiBEKqdjqlGMKyuXZh4Lf UJfLxFqT7mW79XX/7k7N5Vajoz51APFDMQ49/S2LMOD+3jiQsQFMRCXe6/GgPWfIf wqTwlrImtO0JiCq6JZaUQqynnWH9gg/HAgn686cFuTpbp/bMP+Oxf/cmfCwIloJuL We2ANMR1LQHv0T6TWsObyCL5Z+7kEqGBQ3KiZ/gjzLbISrYJFAylW8Qw5g8oH2IFB YcaNLRkntrUVZFeuAJesq6tA91OxkIH3vqNLi8R/ksBJPVwPs6Ppr1LwpmXTOfQFY IPMX1cSkzXLAqWRKXQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.38.155]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MPGVx-1txbgd0Y7Z-00Xtoz; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:19:14 +0100 From: Michael Albinus To: Ship Mints Subject: Re: bug#76457: 31.0.50; Cannot create bookmark to chained TRAMP connection In-Reply-To: References: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87seo7yduz.fsf@gmx.de> <87mseeshha.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <875xl2wdg9.fsf@gmx.de> <874j0mqivm.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87tt8muh8m.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 17:19:13 +0100 Message-ID: <878qpyuf3y.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:w/YqfV+Gk93EhDYoQ6GuY0M0/2PBeTFp5/WncEJvzqD9FzPZycB ICUlsMfzyLoSa48yf3oDPKJww6s2iUwpr4WXdvet/jFWHWsNcyjhqdawmZeG21GUsBm6OqV T3mPWu4qJuOFBH2lAUyc48nYlWr2HU3WVkwfRabqf8d8jwYE3bkIGaK6t5M6mtOnwSeW+1G K0RJlpsG67lm/HWSkLg1w== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:LY9vPtHKWms=;QjfGkUQDbTCOnSBU7XZ5V9NSBO/ YxsJw3ss6E8gcPI87zJ8EyHrIGYmpjfdi0IZErthnNQv7SKkHIN706e7cVvpd7jVYCOcUuMRT KQQwN55/D7hRbooVV+k4SekCHBhykfTP0PPw21u+h0q3WTLZC8xVQaw+jJTGVUby1YPuCTGGy 6uqzdZcXZOUo7FJi/yg8S+RYxTa4jcBoDsQAytLZXOVsxj8n1WjF1WWXOpxuKqrgp1/ATLnX7 EBpLN40uUUIjx1sFhwe2jcJWXZPxR2m4VbII0gSy3lEaTXNPLirfHrc3NbXJabNPXNjdB4SPl jRJlsceTICMx1crAPAyHIh021Y3VbU9dSlOXyvDmbwZvx8c5OUgpbZcYWy++TsMOWsYu9wgou 66NR76eGlg5tr82Kghur3zUXmG38Aj9XtWhBy+n3VZIsGlJ+TpJ959MzBG2LvH7h+vv6SNjLZ xtSXAGKAscgtl4Sk+S0v82j5pIL8+LXcFFo4QTB3QZFzgbXSR/aUkga+Ibv42Iyd7+8lbOjAa 9E8fNVHyU6r8+VGJ3g42QOggjV/E/dSexBuMvkkaMe1FXSw9F0IzQ6/tUMqhCAm+DH5HZCrcy PMKV+zckrOq1X5Mi5pyCSJC0o12jN2kKC4O7T7Xaiz7tlEBgA7iMQ/iXmrMN9yQYSWBubtUvw VM0OmOsDmZUtnl+H4wrhlkeT88GMe5ims5gZ7Y4Pip67vx8i+TSoExRjXw9m6gl8dzdzirAhA bnb158O3sylwQWhQomPlHSV1x26GCByL2lKnltPi2hwDGvTmb+R849wJpUtdcpT6QEw0AYh+q iLM5g5XSZsz/aqRVR2hnwCPC4y2+4yGt+5QUw3jfORdfgDCxRS4At8JXdRCLrkGzzV54kJSWE XYZaaIwubkd5mmR0FAzghJJTo3HVnloQiHl2+cL/FaHkC2ytMiI35MgeomSGOlPfaN+4oXGZZ Nl6uhhgHcfy58O4eKHwCKXaJ7wv9cne3D59Z1V1rycMJe7kA+69jpkCANY49S9nuEihfXR/2m joX37D9+sZ+7pwJVf5lc2uo25/cL2PTPY/PRO9J0umNrOCW3NsTGPMmmItzWC4nLXg2fh7gKe 35rhYHclYbt4ZmtrYoMKBnzeOBQMRejLueIw3QBTA7t5D4KYDpi2zx8Z+smgpCB+7T6ODHmFM fBUN0HwCI9xUn9GQZFeY0nChAjwIdDnAcznfC4Dgwodg6H3IRKZqqPrAK1PisTUHpcVH/U37R F2T/JAPEmM7oEc8xMVeuuqFltPjJzj5PHfFQ/e5q8w99Da39SHqPjYsMLuPPOKMcT2hyRy1fC 6is766KPp5u0tO/fga5IidhTM1ZaA5J7KoK1Ivp/FQyCFpfleGAdOmuYI2IAb0PIxm97bN4ma 3dRloxfl4Pk/2lNU7D2rEmFUw1/7RsdkkFIFH6EHPB/45cFxklrVAvG1rw X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76457 Cc: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org, Sean Whitton X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Ship Mints writes: Hi, > The ad-hoc nature of these connections isn't really related to their > potential abbreviations and that might confuse some people. Perhaps > explain that multi-hop routes are not known to Emacs (can they be > defined in ssh/config?), and the user has to create them on the fly, > so they are "ad-hoc", so to speak? Hop abbreviations can happen only in ad-hoc multi-hop file names. "Traditional" multi-hop files don't use neither ad-hoc definitions nor abbreviations. See (info "(tramp) Multi-hops") People tend to forget this. Best regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 22 23:26:10 2025 Received: (at 76457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2025 04:26:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58721 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tm3Z9-0006PJ-58 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 23:26:10 -0500 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:58776) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tm3Z3-0006Oi-MJ for 76457@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 23:26:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=SKRqgQVnaIxlbq7F3nRCYYgU2QjjNZgtiN05FyEFvsJoY1SH3OBYa8HIqmfnpzD7RxPfxmxFlV1yPWGF3kYQR/a4CAwZCVSDSAzy0v5aqaXy2CZXTzDCwSXnMZwYmbbWWEDyLFhQyMIKc1tXewJnwpBzK51eTUUmNgLDyrcugNe/abpyV/wCKQr/1kUexxEG1+gdbi4YI4psPwrqxaMgQ/MRzVEHe5nB5tZrl5e7KrHpS+Rxo5FRZyy/mUPUZ3D7ynJ+LJSRPeYUf/j5NZ/Yb+tPCE/qShPhOCUZXdrSMUL3FOaqXMmHv8sBQY+9i9ILarJblqYdN0NlXprjfZeEuQ==; s=purelymail1; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=qSjxhCZucidLCkyjf+S2rWH4zZufG2odfKwSwrlqCE4=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=nK6ZQjW2e3zRNhLhESTldFEdzdL1SAw59xX0lUcGRmf0eTyebNyRBPe0D1wwoN4nhFIRJvFfr1ItskNk19QpVwVRUQVW11q4RmtT1TmkAje02RKWqlTXeJ8Ei/z8b4NwIvO7I0AuzmNcjOluOhVGUKFamePXS4+zm6vPovtwP2CzbUnZGJR84BNodb/8+rEaJLh847AxcZcdIG+bCAskNJdxGgei+JN1v1vDuUKNnBWCB5K/nTS9osKFXoTEpNZoQnHBBZP+O4FWfw1TkE6RH04H0fvqLrl0Go+eqbJ9T3tqn10E0Q/7PaNxAb8IWhsBP8bnurh6lLoIHUKi++3wRg==; s=purelymail1; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=qSjxhCZucidLCkyjf+S2rWH4zZufG2odfKwSwrlqCE4=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id 624602795; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Sun, 23 Feb 2025 04:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C864A7E0437; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:25:48 +0800 (CST) From: Sean Whitton To: Ship Mints Subject: Re: bug#76457: 31.0.50; Cannot create bookmark to chained TRAMP connection In-Reply-To: (Ship Mints's message of "Sat, 22 Feb 2025 07:26:08 -0500") References: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87seo7yduz.fsf@gmx.de> <87mseeshha.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <875xl2wdg9.fsf@gmx.de> <874j0mqivm.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:25:48 +0800 Message-ID: <871pvpp9rn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76457 Cc: Michael Albinus , 76457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On Sat 22 Feb 2025 at 07:26am -05, Ship Mints wrote: > final hop, and so only the Emacs session that generated the > abbreviated form can understand it. > > How about ...the originating Emacs session maintains an ephemeral record of the hops, > and this will not be available to other Emacs sessions... I think talking about what Emacs can understand is more accessible for the average user. -- Sean Whitton From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 22 23:31:17 2025 Received: (at 76457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2025 04:31:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58736 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tm3e8-0006g3-VO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 23:31:17 -0500 Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:47204) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tm3e6-0006fj-7l for 76457@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2025 23:31:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=MA7fe+bgu2apu/ARA5rnkBU+a4JkkX+z7zugpD0Tq+7YfjfjRiPbfNkq9Tu8/zCNeE5Py0aVvzFDoR8mk2wnlKZBgEUw2zgIpfailyG2tMIC3p/bIZci/FZ8FojIgYAPgHDDGrNwVymcYNj8Bni1JA9TxcEA3emIfToIR9fNugt66UkUf1LRV+LROab8Tz6vsRL8cvhVkgCXTTWw/iEXAdPO5UAPDkpz/LWILPR5eRoYltWEmKcCKBlwoNnDxigGowg6YQUt630Pg7kvgVfWKZzmf9Ttl1adqdR2s39SGJ3xdIeWqwGjkil9qt44dwg2MPxxSfOmdfFbIxlE08mHFg==; s=purelymail1; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=fy0hqUmGQtiobahkblrkC271Hdn6TjL2wmKu641k9h8=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=gKucoMtGzklm+sHA3mLI/d3ZWf5Njz+7kdYoqbjlOLdaWVjK3fiFtstQrOl9JrrnPwPEDtbKFmsMVwS/Vu0k1XgB5yyCjbSBa9KPMk3d9SwAxJytNMUuNTJFYEYh47pzyIIt6L1ME0lnkCeQh844vcqbHjqGjs7YIEDcBet4RyUbjMLLqPRoAh9fmOhYOfBdYO1DfeA++8u6Mb6X4m9jefxadB0Lc0EayC14zUzFjtiHBeMkfeA3tyRlOLGooh+9xLduNNIIurXcwaHBsx1l2FM3TNb8uzGF4LiIxor8956VTd/x/ytUqM4OfaiaUHroP3+UK85Xq/RVKyVKEvT0EQ==; s=purelymail1; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=fy0hqUmGQtiobahkblrkC271Hdn6TjL2wmKu641k9h8=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: 76457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id 77988200; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Sun, 23 Feb 2025 04:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F3E607E0423; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:31:05 +0800 (CST) From: Sean Whitton To: Michael Albinus Subject: Re: bug#76457: 31.0.50; Cannot create bookmark to chained TRAMP connection In-Reply-To: <87tt8muh8m.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus via's message of "Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:33:13 +0100") References: <87msefvmxn.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87seo7yduz.fsf@gmx.de> <87mseeshha.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <875xl2wdg9.fsf@gmx.de> <874j0mqivm.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87tt8muh8m.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:31:05 +0800 Message-ID: <87r03pnuye.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76457 Cc: Ship Mints , 76457@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, On Sat 22 Feb 2025 at 04:33pm +01, Michael Albinus via "Bug reports for GNU= Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" wrote: > Ship Mints writes: > >> On Sat, Feb 22, 2025 at 7:12=E2=80=AFAM Sean Whitton >> wrote: > > Thank you both. 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Finally, I have made the following changes based on your >> proposals (not pushed yet): > > LGTM, many thanks! Thanks for the feedback. I've pushed this to the repositories, closing the bug. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:10:46 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 11:24:44 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator