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Content preview: Tags: patch Attached patch suggests to use tab-bar-history-mode when using tab-bar-mode instead. winner-mode interacts quite badly with tab-bar-mode and it took me sometime to discover tab-bar-history-mode when I [...] Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2001:470:142:0:0:0:0:17 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [1.7.159.71 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (visuweshm[at]gmail.com) 0.0 T_HK_SPAMMY_FILENAME No description available. -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Tags: patch Attached patch suggests to use tab-bar-history-mode when using tab-bar-mode instead. winner-mode interacts quite badly with tab-bar-mode and it took me sometime to discover tab-bar-history-mode when I started using winner-mode initially. Mentioning it in winner-mode's would help its discoverability I hope. In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 32, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.18.2, Xaw scroll bars) of 2025-02-15 built on astatine Repository revision: 167157fc210ae078e683c80dc650e6a2bb5a6050 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101015 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux trixie/sid Configured using: 'configure --with-sound=alsa --with-x-toolkit=lucid --without-xaw3d --without-gconf --without-libsystemd --with-cairo CFLAGS=-O2' --=-=-= Content-Type: text/patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Specify-tab-bar-history-mode-in-winner-mode-docstrin.patch >From 0007e61ff7a4b1cff0837f6bb5138a236511a81f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Visuwesh Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530 Subject: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring * lisp/winner.el (winner-mode): Update the docstring to suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' when using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. --- lisp/winner.el | 5 ++++- 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el index e56ddf92965..eacb9c16031 100644 --- a/lisp/winner.el +++ b/lisp/winner.el @@ -345,7 +345,10 @@ winner-mode into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key sequence \\`C-c '. If you change your mind (while undoing), -you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo')." +you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo'). + +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider turning on `tab-bar-history-mode' +instead which provides tab-specific window configuration history." :global t (if winner-mode (progn -- 2.47.2 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 20 12:08:20 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2025 17:08:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39446 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlA27-00015x-UZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 12:08:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59214) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlA24-000155-6e for 76439@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 12:08:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tlA1y-0007qR-Iu; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 12:08:10 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=frj9jz08URqb51yiqhXyJ3//GRvozCKcGTFRHF58huw=; b=HD8yeGFAbmT6 ACeb16kE9MP7ExZilGWWb1N/1Qp9sOImVBv8nK49f8e+/Dyf2fCgMXdB+TlaSNyL5sWY1bo6F7mCq R3CZZhW5seSCOg//EvN7Cslawzw1F3eWFxLBKh1T+lIfV9ultCU6Vri04OQgcVGBEAjJAcxIII0yC ZXhxC7tXcBPArz5pj9zTSwMvfJd6le22BjAd4RkFK1D7G5Nq8ZFS6Nqc+k+LeIYFy2zx/dG3NDJIS PBX0gb2trwBSn5uHraHTqCUQNdcFOY+ea2cOCqKKXthet4nzzWvfDdDM0Sl5HChzjkSUcSlpqB1UP VjZQ3uxmtcu3jQTif6fQ3Q==; Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 19:07:49 +0200 Message-Id: <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Visuwesh In-Reply-To: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Visuwesh on Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:21:28 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: 76439@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Visuwesh > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:21:28 +0530 > > Attached patch suggests to use tab-bar-history-mode when using > tab-bar-mode instead. winner-mode interacts quite badly with > tab-bar-mode and it took me sometime to discover tab-bar-history-mode > when I started using winner-mode initially. Mentioning it in > winner-mode's would help its discoverability I hope. Should we instead try to fix winner (and maybe also tab-bar-mode) to avoid these problems? In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better suited. Thanks. 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Mentioning it in >> winner-mode's would help its discoverability I hope. > > Should we instead try to fix winner (and maybe also tab-bar-mode) to > avoid these problems? It would essentially involve writing tab-bar-history-mode anew to certain extent AFAIU. I wanted to head down this path until I realised tab-bar-history-mode does everything winner while taking into account tab-bar-mode. > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then > the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better > suited. How about the attached? --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Specify-tab-bar-history-mode-in-winner-mode-docstrin.patch >From d3edd40a60a9dbe9b9cd5310af42e7810eec06c5 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Visuwesh Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530 Subject: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring * lisp/winner.el (winner-mode): Update the docstring to suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' when using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439) --- lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++- 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644 --- a/lisp/winner.el +++ b/lisp/winner.el @@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key sequence \\`C-c '. If you change your mind (while undoing), -you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo')." +you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo'). + +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching and might turn the window +configuration of the current tab to another's (old) window +configuration. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window +configuration history avoiding this problem." :global t (if winner-mode (progn -- 2.47.2 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 20 12:21:18 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2025 17:21:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39649 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlAEf-0002wj-Sq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 12:21:18 -0500 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:33967) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlAE0-0002q9-5z for 76439@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 12:20:36 -0500 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02368441DC; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 17:20:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Visuwesh Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring In-Reply-To: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 19:17:35 +0200 Message-ID: <878qq0zghs.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/31.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: 0 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgdeijeeilecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucenucfjughrpefhvfevufgjohhffffkfgggtgesthdtredttdertdenucfhrhhomheplfhurhhiucfnihhnkhhovhcuoehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeffgeetfeevlefhleejfeeuheeiudeitdffhfdutdekfeffgffhveehteegueekheenucfkphepledurdduvdelrdeliedrieeinecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehinhgvthepledurdduvdelrdeliedrieeipdhhvghlohepmhgrihhlrdhgrghnughirdhnvghtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvthdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepvddprhgtphhtthhopeejieegfeelseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepvhhishhufigvshhhmhesghhmrghilhdrtghomh X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: 76439@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Attached patch suggests to use tab-bar-history-mode when using > tab-bar-mode instead. winner-mode interacts quite badly with > tab-bar-mode and it took me sometime to discover tab-bar-history-mode > when I started using winner-mode initially. Mentioning it in > winner-mode's would help its discoverability I hope. > > @@ -345,7 +345,10 @@ winner-mode > into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the > command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key > sequence \\`C-c '. If you change your mind (while undoing), > -you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo')." > +you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo'). > + > +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider turning on `tab-bar-history-mode' > +instead which provides tab-specific window configuration history." Thanks, will push in a few days if no one has objections. 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Maybe. But let's first hear what Juri thinks about that. > > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then > > the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better > > suited. > > How about the attached? Much better, thanks. Perhaps also make some similar change in the doc string of tab-bar-mode? 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Content preview: [வியாழன் பிப்ரவரி 20, 2025] Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then >> > the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better >> > suited. >> >> How about the attached? > > Mu [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [1.7.159.71 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:644 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (visuweshm[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=AF=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=B4=E0=AE=A9=E0=AF=8D =E0=AE=AA= =E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 20, 2025] E= li Zaretskii wrote: >> > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then >> > the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better >> > suited. >>=20 >> How about the attached? > > Much better, thanks. > > Perhaps also make some similar change in the doc string of > tab-bar-mode? Would Use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead of `winner-mode' to obtain tab-specific window configuration history. be fine? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 20 14:32:26 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2025 19:32:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41475 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlCHZ-0004B0-Lx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:32:26 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlCHW-00049x-QU for 76439@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:32:23 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tlCHR-00042G-17; Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:32:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=n8YGVbwXLeMF8QFHXParVj+cYJh4Og7kELZr+RxQtdA=; b=hFbfDD4cNKRDkhrpx2GP RXh03FCi7QHhGH9vZJuO3/XEx2wQf71zAD84/fYKc0IDrrAPke2+tViVc7GhsbQEznTCFCkX/67fq ZeNZANDvoP+nZBec7A7WeSLhIqUf2qRYSOBS2DofhrTl+9NzbyHJbdwuZEIP4A+IgTIZj0yqtpFhe fb/3mQ4lO7rocHRR0jiGGh6Hs+Olmzs0/SoqDiplduhCABlQxPgx/cS9pX7s0CZIvFfRe74D1Gxpl /qoFglTFCqHOSVOYI/sPgS8ujqxFGTAmG/l60YyzZZEeipicpMMbPpdnc6/hO+AhkR8byuf5EJGQW OHJ2AGZJlE2lOw==; Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 21:32:11 +0200 Message-Id: <86ldu02z0k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Visuwesh In-Reply-To: <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Visuwesh on Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:11:21 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86mseg34nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > From: Visuwesh > Cc: Juri Linkov , 76439@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 23:11:21 +0530 > > [வியாழன் பிப்ரவரி 20, 2025] Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> > In any case, if tab-bar-history-mode is better suited to winner, then > >> > the reference you want to add should at least hint on why it is better > >> > suited. > >> > >> How about the attached? > > > > Much better, thanks. > > > > Perhaps also make some similar change in the doc string of > > tab-bar-mode? > > Would > > Use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead of `winner-mode' to obtain > tab-specific window configuration history. > > be fine? I thought of something like If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which can replace both. (assuming I understood what you wanted to say). 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>> > >> > Much better, thanks. >> > >> > Perhaps also make some similar change in the doc string of >> > tab-bar-mode? >>=20 >> Would >>=20 >> Use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead of `winner-mode' to obtain >> tab-specific window configuration history. >>=20 >> be fine? > > I thought of something like > > If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend > to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which can replace both. > > (assuming I understood what you wanted to say). The "can replace both" is a bit confusing as I am not sure what the second item in "both" refers to. What about If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specific window configuration history and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. ? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 21 02:44:20 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2025 07:44:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51709 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlNhr-0003TV-P6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 02:44:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlNhq-0003Sg-1K for 76439@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 02:44:18 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tlNhk-000372-B3; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 02:44:12 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=hIQ6bLjIsPtf30YHVAouXhqJMaqQIjmNFxtQE37Idk4=; b=nSt8v4wKFWnB+9FbuxAK NlG9QUMPMqv6U84PgdpWY/bN9lWpTHIY2/SUHwdSzTCwiLXSQ3q08texfF9bowPhoP0wjTCG3pUc7 NhPhF6mvVJxcK/bXX68ash+9DYMQ9O7CnK/9p3m0vHezjbfaKrU8exyBrMgou5c+IwwcQwSzbJv9x s2L2D2MOB9hBknF7QD4Wk/XiegURA1ydUbpwXEapxKj4Q6BK7W1iu+EnE5grBLX10bQiZKmH3e/vP Y1xvLc0Vkjky9bm71OPrubKCVbfPbsQSUE88dvSQuHu7McJOcpaMgcudF/zJ0CNeNgRheGhoySQ7O YUOtm3WDjjg2XQ==; Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 09:43:58 +0200 Message-Id: <86wmdj214x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Visuwesh In-Reply-To: <87h64ovwm5.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Visuwesh on Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:21:14 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86mseg34nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> <86ldu02z0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87h64ovwm5.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > From: Visuwesh > Cc: juri@linkov.net, 76439@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 08:21:14 +0530 > > [வியாழன் பிப்ரவரி 20, 2025] Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> Would > >> > >> Use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead of `winner-mode' to obtain > >> tab-specific window configuration history. > >> > >> be fine? > > > > I thought of something like > > > > If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend > > to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which can replace both. > > > > (assuming I understood what you wanted to say). > > The "can replace both" is a bit confusing as I am not sure what the > second item in "both" refers to. What about > > If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend > to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specific > window configuration history and is better behaved when > `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. > > ? SGTM, thanks. 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What about >>=20 >> If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend >> to use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specific >> window configuration history and is better behaved when >> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. >>=20 >> ? > > SGTM, thanks. Thanks, updated patch attached. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Recommend-tab-bar-history-mode-over-winner-mode.patch >From 201029d36127065df9b062c166b4cf6209ca8664 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Visuwesh Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530 Subject: [PATCH] Recommend 'tab-bar-history-mode' over 'winner-mode' * lisp/winner.el (winner-mode): * lisp/tab-bar.el (tab-bar-mode): Update the docstring to suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' instead of 'winner-mode' when using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439) --- lisp/tab-bar.el | 7 ++++++- lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++- 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/tab-bar.el b/lisp/tab-bar.el index 2a6137f527f..042291e4e59 100644 --- a/lisp/tab-bar.el +++ b/lisp/tab-bar.el @@ -291,7 +291,12 @@ tab-bar-mode See `current-window-configuration' for more about window configurations. To add a button (which can then record one more window configuration), click on the \"+\" button. Clicking on the \"x\" icon of a button -deletes the button." +deletes the button. + +If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to +use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead which provides tab-specific window +configuration history and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' is +turned on." :global t ;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again. :variable tab-bar-mode diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644 --- a/lisp/winner.el +++ b/lisp/winner.el @@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key sequence \\`C-c '. 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Eli> SGTM, thanks. Grammar/gerund alert: If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which provides tab-specific window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. 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> > Eli> SGTM, thanks. > > Grammar/gerund alert: > > If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend s/indent/intend/ > using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which provides tab-specific > window configuration history, and is better behaved when > `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. > > (I=CA=BCd even be tempted to use ';' instead of the second ',', and repla= ce > 'which' with 'it') Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification of the recommendation. 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>>=20 Eli> SGTM, thanks. >>=20 >> Grammar/gerund alert: >>=20 >> If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend Stephen> s/indent/intend/ The golden rule of grammar discussion is that there will be spelling mistakes (and vice-versa) =F0=9F=98=89 >> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which provides tab-specific >> window configuration history, and is better behaved when >> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. >>=20 >> (I=CA=BCd even be tempted to use ';' instead of the second ',', and = replace >> 'which' with 'it') Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification of= the Stephen> recommendation. That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of favour, since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it. 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I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of favour, > since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it. > > Robert Not being a youth of today, I can neither confirm nor refute that; however, I can believe it. 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> >>=20 > Eli> SGTM, thanks. > >>=20 > >> Grammar/gerund alert: I never understood what a gerund is because I missed that English class because I was sick that day. C: [ The text book definition was too opaque and I couldn't solve the exercises to save myself, and I never bothered to ask my teacher what the hell it meant. ] > >> If you indent to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recomme= nd > > Stephen> s/indent/intend/ > > The golden rule of grammar discussion is that there will be spelling > mistakes (and vice-versa) =F0=9F=98=89 Thankfully I fixed in the next iteration of the patch. ;-) > >> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, which provides tab-specific > >> window configuration history, and is better behaved when > >> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. > >>=20 > >> (I=CA=BCd even be tempted to use ';' instead of the second ',', an= d replace > >> 'which' with 'it') > > Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification = of the > Stephen> recommendation. Are you supposed to have a comma before since? In any case, is the grammar of If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. correct? > That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of favour, > since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it. It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It falling out of favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you're reading Victorian novels I suppose. 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Visuwesh> Are you supposed to have a comma before since? In any case, = is the Visuwesh> grammar of Contrast: It=CA=BCs not mandatory but since the sentence is long it=CA=BCs nice to provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally. with putting commas between the clauses: It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs nice= to provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally. The following would be excessive (also known as "Shatner-mode"): It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but, since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs nic= e to provide the comma, in order to allow the reader to pause, mentally. In short: the comma before "since" works well. Visuwesh> If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', w= e recommend Visuwesh> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides t= ab-specific Visuwesh> window configuration history, and is better behaved when Visuwesh> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. Visuwesh> correct? >> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of f= avour, >> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it. Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It fall= ing out of Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you're re= ading Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose. Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. 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Content preview: [வெள்ளி பிப்ரவரி 21, 2025] Robert Pluim wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, Visuwesh said: > > Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification of the > Stephen> recommendation. > > Visuwesh> Are you supposed to [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [1.7.159.71 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:642 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (visuweshm[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 T_HK_SPAMMY_FILENAME No description available. -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF= =E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Robert Plu= im wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, Visuwesh s= aid: > > Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justification = of the > Stephen> recommendation. > > Visuwesh> Are you supposed to have a comma before since? In any case= , is the > Visuwesh> grammar of > > Contrast: > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory but since the sentence is long it=CA=BCs nice= to > provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally. > > with putting commas between the clauses: > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs ni= ce to > provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally. > > The following would be excessive (also known as "Shatner-mode"): > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but, since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs n= ice to > provide the comma, in order to allow the reader to pause, mentally. > > In short: the comma before "since" works well. Right, thanks for the hint. I was using commas excessively at one point in time, but that got me some comments which ended me here... [ One of these days, I should finish reading The Elements of Style. ] > Visuwesh> If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode',= we recommend > Visuwesh> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides= tab-specific > Visuwesh> window configuration history, and is better behaved when > Visuwesh> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. > > Visuwesh> correct? > > >> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out of= favour, > >> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it. > > Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It fa= lling out of > Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you're = reading > Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose. > > Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99=82 Wasn't there a distinction between a "short" and a "long" pause? Something about short clauses? In any case, how about the attached? --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Recommend-tab-bar-history-mode-over-winner-mode.patch >From 110d36dad07e3205e3591f98b584127d2d253042 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Visuwesh Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530 Subject: [PATCH] Recommend 'tab-bar-history-mode' over 'winner-mode' * lisp/winner.el (winner-mode): * lisp/tab-bar.el (tab-bar-mode): Update the docstring to suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' instead of 'winner-mode' when using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439) --- lisp/tab-bar.el | 7 ++++++- lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++- 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/tab-bar.el b/lisp/tab-bar.el index 2a6137f527f..d428350c9b1 100644 --- a/lisp/tab-bar.el +++ b/lisp/tab-bar.el @@ -291,7 +291,12 @@ tab-bar-mode See `current-window-configuration' for more about window configurations. To add a button (which can then record one more window configuration), click on the \"+\" button. Clicking on the \"x\" icon of a button -deletes the button." +deletes the button. + +If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to +use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific +window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' +is turned on." :global t ;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again. :variable tab-bar-mode diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644 --- a/lisp/winner.el +++ b/lisp/winner.el @@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key sequence \\`C-c '. If you change your mind (while undoing), -you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo')." +you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo'). + +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching and might turn the window +configuration of the current tab to another's (old) window +configuration. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window +configuration history avoiding this problem." :global t (if winner-mode (progn -- 2.47.2 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 21 05:38:27 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2025 10:38:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54448 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlQQN-0007pA-1I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 05:38:27 -0500 Received: from mail-vk1-xa30.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::a30]:60807) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlQQJ-0007nx-N8 for 76439@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 05:38:24 -0500 Received: by mail-vk1-xa30.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-5209f22ecfeso497559e0c.1 for <76439@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 02:38:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740134298; x=1740739098; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=z8Y/J4U+Dad4IoiXPZym6XYEak7UWaeA1DpUSW/6rRU=; b=iOwMZ4S57F0LohSm4QGaLxYUZyJWXyXW1mHL1MOIeW/6zxeyauiy5IlP1mclfzIPeF Za6BmFfvEd3k68lK1AKN+s1iy4+S/trKaEj+WYBmNY2xgYKt36lQnTr2rIRi/zxCMEA3 lTmOon5Bow7/XICdnOTDpwdcgrYrQ+vO1abAL5703Ibb92My1w9HQ7SgZ6ghr5LCZKjn VrM8Yzbn9s++7AIblq+9Ng7N61BLq02jpPis2ZeLO0BV4WyhvfTVaN1iXpYDpeaMDXQj k1K5gzeF9JAQwTPp7uHDXZl7+6h37IJhUnN8P/6mxOeyBTT/3S0fw1SuVK0a7L0z5xae 3l2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740134298; x=1740739098; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=z8Y/J4U+Dad4IoiXPZym6XYEak7UWaeA1DpUSW/6rRU=; b=UkZfwHOClHKPUKFA04uLaODgWOHHr5PIto1sdPCbThxZRrus7moOMDHJPpCfVXoaI2 Izm2hhvnVSneSWdx+CM06AundAxq8tJP3xnMVPZYSxEeT3h7wjBLheFpSvTAv0rlXwNQ /9e+bFvDzgjsWb7/lp1T3K91TsmBhzV+VdIWLdabMsm/jVXDorJopFWMcWwM8oeopfM8 Xod+3KfSuwYboaZtKGaJCk6Kgj8NtN/KP3K0p5UxOaSWMX+x4gaiw2Mzqv7miu/aEjj/ YQm6AmnDn4kcHgyAAFDSKarM0NjDkyS3elA8yC+9c0fifpeOGMZqrlcoO+GCIPCLcepg WPnw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCV8T2IGktX5brrauukx6+8AxxEEphLhk4TaCHTzALyMJggKSA9OWSasTIiCNca5XgMRLSidAA==@debbugs.gnu.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwuZs3EC8o3tjVizk0zROa/yLc0KjBUKoiZPj7ZYNBxT53nHYrv wET7utehIhJvTOa++OZc+bB2mOE0abpY8Hb2zslRgl9/NLproW2Gxdr+6/fUJFyK1kYmAs+Kn+5 WAkXFNXDiKXoI7Z2ZCF+8OdHCcPM= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctIaA9CP5RVHutpRty0DXjA74fzOThp+xQrIbuWn1Vvn6HU0QwRKhvbTux7Bdq gYUao26iAzDXBPnw09sEWBK7eF5hccOxLfID53AQcxL7zEe0kWDxpYj547/DwkqxGYYOFZXZG0l Ktmf6X1BA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHaQubjYlLxltz5eOMCyGvJ9KWQ0veriJ8AUK/jELBt5HJhBPEvNRZN7rL1Ni1cn3NbkWzfcsEZGqACtaJnSRs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:3c42:b0:518:a261:adca with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-521ee46d098mr1105579e0c.8.1740134297997; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 02:38:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86mseg34nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> <86ldu02z0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87h64ovwm5.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdj214x.fsf@gnu.org> <87ldtzzm09.fsf@gmail.com> <87pljbab3w.fsf@gmx.net> <87h64nzkrw.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfifvbzk.fsf@gmail.com> <874j0nzj3t.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <874j0nzj3t.fsf@gmail.com> From: Ship Mints Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 05:38:06 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZniNpG8jRG7a7cHrCGI_FbkrUa_G2Dqiz5NsPHXNJg3ywCzVQoIdT1DGJA Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring To: Robert Pluim Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b19b1f062ea4969c" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: juri@linkov.net, Eli Zaretskii , Stephen Berman , 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, Visuwesh X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000b19b1f062ea4969c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 5:30=E2=80=AFAM Robert Pluim wro= te: > >>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, Visuwesh > said: > > Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It > falling out of > Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you're > reading > Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose. > > Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99=82 > Native English writer here. This is not quite the case. Proper semicolon use is to glue together _independent_ clauses; [correct use] comma use is to glue together _dependent_ clauses. An independent clause would be one that could itself be a sentence. Comma use is also handy to avoid ambiguity among items, [correct use] and to provide clarity. A semicolon can also be used to separate multiple comma-separated lists. --000000000000b19b1f062ea4969c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 5:30=E2=80=AFAM Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, V= isuwesh <visuwe= shm@gmail.com> said:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the se= micolon.=C2=A0 It falling out of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples= unless you're reading
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose.

Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99=82

Native English writer here.=C2=A0 This is not quite the cas= e.=C2=A0 Proper semicolon use is to glue together _independent_ clauses; [c= orrect use] comma use is to glue together _dependent_ clauses.=C2=A0 An ind= ependent=C2=A0clause=C2=A0would be one that could itself be a sentence.=C2= =A0 Comma use is also handy to avoid ambiguity among items, [correct use] a= nd to provide clarity.=C2=A0 A semicolon can also be used to separate multi= ple comma-separated lists.
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That's a concept for dramatic reading, and has nothing to do with proper grammar. On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 5:36=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh wrot= e: > [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE= =BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Robert = Pluim wrote: > > >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, Visuwesh > said: > > > > Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides", since it's a justificatio= n > of the > > Stephen> recommendation. > > > > Visuwesh> Are you supposed to have a comma before since? In any > case, is the > > Visuwesh> grammar of > > > > Contrast: > > > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory but since the sentence is long it=CA=BCs ni= ce to > > provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally. > > > > with putting commas between the clauses: > > > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs = nice to > > provide the comma in order to allow the reader to pause mentally. > > > > The following would be excessive (also known as "Shatner-mode"): > > > > It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but, since the sentence is long, it=CA=BCs= nice to > > provide the comma, in order to allow the reader to pause, mentally. > > > > In short: the comma before "since" works well. > > Right, thanks for the hint. I was using commas excessively at one point > in time, but that got me some comments which ended me here... > [ One of these days, I should finish reading The Elements of Style. ] > > > Visuwesh> If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with > `winner-mode', we recommend > > Visuwesh> using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it > provides tab-specific > > Visuwesh> window configuration history, and is better behaved > when > > Visuwesh> `tab-bar-mode' is turned on. > > > > Visuwesh> correct? > > > > >> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that using ';' is falling out = of > favour, > > >> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA=BCt understand it. > > > > Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put the semicolon. It > falling out of > > Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty of examples unless you'r= e > reading > > Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose. > > > > Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99= =82 > > Wasn't there a distinction between a "short" and a "long" pause? > Something about short clauses? > > In any case, how about the attached? > > --0000000000005c300d062ea49ca1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In prose, there are no such things as short and long pauses.=C2=A0 That&= #39;s a concept for dramatic reading, and has nothing to do with proper gra= mmar.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 5:36=E2=80=AFAM Vi= suwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
[=E0= =AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0= =AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Robert Pluim = wrote:

>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 15:46:47 +0530, Visuwesh <<= a href=3D"mailto:visuweshm@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">visuweshm@gmail.com= > said:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephen> Or "instead, since it provides&quo= t;, since it's a justification of the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephen> recommendation.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> Are you supposed to have a comma befor= e since?=C2=A0 In any case, is the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> grammar of
>
> Contrast:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It=CA=BCs not mandatory but since the sentence is l= ong it=CA=BCs nice to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide the comma in order to allow the reader to p= ause mentally.
>
> with putting commas between the clauses:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but since the sentence is = long, it=CA=BCs nice to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide the comma in order to allow the reader to p= ause mentally.
>
> The following would be excessive (also known as "Shatner-mode&quo= t;):
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0It=CA=BCs not mandatory, but, since the sentence is= long, it=CA=BCs nice to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0provide the comma, in order to allow the reader to = pause, mentally.
>
> In short: the comma before "since" works well.

Right, thanks for the hint.=C2=A0 I was using commas excessively at one poi= nt
in time, but that got me some comments which ended me here...
[ One of these days, I should finish reading The Elements of Style.=C2=A0 ]=

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you intend to us= e `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0using `tab-bar-hist= ory-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0window configuratio= n history, and is better behaved when
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0`tab-bar-mode' = is turned on.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> correct?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> That works as well. I=CA=BCm told that usi= ng ';' is falling out of favour,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> since allegedly the youth of today don=CA= =BCt understand it.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> It is hard to figure out where to put = the semicolon.=C2=A0 It falling out of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> favour means there aren't plenty o= f examples unless you're reading
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visuwesh> Victorian novels I suppose.
>
> Anytime there can be a comma, there can be a semicolon. Easy =F0=9F=99= =82

Wasn't there a distinction between a "short" and a "long= " pause?
Something about short clauses?

In any case, how about the attached?

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Visuwesh> +deletes the button. Visuwesh> + Visuwesh> +If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend to Visuwesh> +use `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific Visuwesh> +window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' Visuwesh> +is turned on." "we recommend using" Visuwesh> :global t Visuwesh> ;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again. Visuwesh> :variable tab-bar-mode Visuwesh> diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el Visuwesh> index e56ddf92965..e56e7268727 100644 Visuwesh> --- a/lisp/winner.el Visuwesh> +++ b/lisp/winner.el Visuwesh> @@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode Visuwesh> into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the Visuwesh> command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key Visuwesh> sequence \\`C-c '. If you change your mind (while undoing), Visuwesh> -you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo')." Visuwesh> +you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo'). Visuwesh> + Visuwesh> +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as and here we could put a comma before "as" Visuwesh> +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching and might turn the window and before "and" Visuwesh> +configuration of the current tab to another's (old) window Visuwesh> +configuration. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window Visuwesh> +configuration history avoiding this problem." 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By default this one is bound to th= e key > Visuwesh> sequence \\`C-c '. If you change your mind (while u= ndoing), > Visuwesh> -you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo')." > Visuwesh> +you can press \\`C-c ' (calling `winner-redo'). > Visuwesh> + > Visuwesh> +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history= -mode' as > > and here we could put a comma before "as" I've left this part out since I feel the sentence has a different meaning with this comma. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Recommend-tab-bar-history-mode-over-winner-mode.patch >From 9e545b047aabeac04b48ca9d3fe6bc592abe418e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Visuwesh Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530 Subject: [PATCH] Recommend 'tab-bar-history-mode' over 'winner-mode' * lisp/winner.el (winner-mode): * lisp/tab-bar.el (tab-bar-mode): Update the docstring to suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' instead of 'winner-mode' when using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439) --- lisp/tab-bar.el | 7 ++++++- lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++- 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/tab-bar.el b/lisp/tab-bar.el index 2a6137f527f..9d804c4ed28 100644 --- a/lisp/tab-bar.el +++ b/lisp/tab-bar.el @@ -291,7 +291,12 @@ tab-bar-mode See `current-window-configuration' for more about window configurations. To add a button (which can then record one more window configuration), click on the \"+\" button. Clicking on the \"x\" icon of a button -deletes the button." +deletes the button. + +If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend +using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific +window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' +is turned on." :global t ;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again. :variable tab-bar-mode diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el index e56ddf92965..67d8b2d6049 100644 --- a/lisp/winner.el +++ b/lisp/winner.el @@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key sequence \\`C-c '. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 21 07:14:07 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2025 12:14:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55936 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlRuw-0008G9-Tj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 07:14:07 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39690) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tlRut-0008ES-Nc for 76439@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 07:14:04 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tlRun-0005jM-Cx; Fri, 21 Feb 2025 07:13:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HYzHVUATAMVq28ruXvzWElMy2sdfXcbty1usvkUHJz0=; b=CqpkiWZrkgZy PUw5qUSwNxMtJb0igFLCvG1vPScZRqYwhQ2Jw4e6QuyJbv0vKMu33a3qIcuS4LaoOuCs95fHF1UyI i+9gq5q4HTqqfCdhOxQIVqw2xS2oqUV5bVQW/nJnAGdmg4j98Zp0XoaKnh1y5AVsgTwk+TF0upe1r Ev07HNAEwukoVXauIW0v6Duxa2xWyGGo8Gb/ulu8HLQWVI/dVCvuLr8yBH0dpd6XzxB488Dspiz39 Xqa8xEOrneCYi8dVLBTxaLFzFx/O6x9LZoCaaGCQViy/LPKo/Lk6Bg0o64+LagQ0x0J+EoaW5ihuX J25MXdqedve1JdKBVyzeGg==; Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 14:13:45 +0200 Message-Id: <864j0n1ona.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Visuwesh In-Reply-To: <87r03rv9r0.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Visuwesh on Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:35:07 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86mseg34nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> <86ldu02z0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87h64ovwm5.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdj214x.fsf@gnu.org> <87ldtzzm09.fsf@gmail.com> <87pljbab3w.fsf@gmx.net> <87h64nzkrw.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfifvbzk.fsf@gmail.com> <874j0nzj3t.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7t3vb54.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfify3n1.fsf@gmail.com> <87r03rv9r0.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, stephen.berman@gmx.net, 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > From: Visuwesh > Cc: Stephen Berman , Eli Zaretskii , > 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:35:07 +0530 > > I've left this part out since I feel the sentence has a different > meaning with this comma. Thanks. This version is okay, with one minor nit: > +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as > +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and might turn the window There should be a comma before "as". 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Content preview: [வெள்ளி பிப்ரவரி 21, 2025] Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Visuwesh >> Cc: Stephen Berman , Eli Zaretskii , >> 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net >> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:35:07 +0530 >> >> I've left this part out since I feel the sentence [...] Content analysis details: (3.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [1.7.159.71 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:642 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 0.1 URIBL_SBL_A Contains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: linkov.net] 0.6 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: linkov.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (visuweshm[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 T_HK_SPAMMY_FILENAME No description available. -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF= =E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Eli Zarets= kii wrote: >> From: Visuwesh >> Cc: Stephen Berman , Eli Zaretskii , >> 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net >> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:35:07 +0530 >>=20 >> I've left this part out since I feel the sentence has a different >> meaning with this comma. > > Thanks. This version is okay, with one minor nit: > >> +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as >> +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and might turn the window > > There should be a comma before "as". I hope this is all okay now. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Recommend-tab-bar-history-mode-over-winner-mode.patch >From 75615085a7f74ee3aa2ce40f9deccf4294a23d15 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Visuwesh Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 20:19:32 +0530 Subject: [PATCH] Recommend 'tab-bar-history-mode' over 'winner-mode' * lisp/winner.el (winner-mode): * lisp/tab-bar.el (tab-bar-mode): Update the docstring to suggest 'tab-bar-history-mode' instead of 'winner-mode' when using 'tab-bar-mode' instead. (Bug#76439) --- lisp/tab-bar.el | 7 ++++++- lisp/winner.el | 8 +++++++- 2 files changed, 13 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/tab-bar.el b/lisp/tab-bar.el index 2a6137f527f..9d804c4ed28 100644 --- a/lisp/tab-bar.el +++ b/lisp/tab-bar.el @@ -291,7 +291,12 @@ tab-bar-mode See `current-window-configuration' for more about window configurations. To add a button (which can then record one more window configuration), click on the \"+\" button. Clicking on the \"x\" icon of a button -deletes the button." +deletes the button. + +If you intend to use `tab-bar-mode' with `winner-mode', we recommend +using `tab-bar-history-mode' instead, since it provides tab-specific +window configuration history, and is better behaved when `tab-bar-mode' +is turned on." :global t ;; It's defined in C/cus-start, this stops the d-m-m macro defining it again. :variable tab-bar-mode diff --git a/lisp/winner.el b/lisp/winner.el index e56ddf92965..52f5f55b32e 100644 --- a/lisp/winner.el +++ b/lisp/winner.el @@ -345,7 +345,13 @@ winner-mode into windows) so that the changes can be \"undone\" using the command `winner-undo'. By default this one is bound to the key sequence \\`C-c '. 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Perhaps something like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds the key binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpful encouragement. If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode', as `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this problem, and its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'. On Fri, Feb 21, 2025 at 9:05=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh wrot= e: > [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE= =BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Eli Zar= etskii wrote: > > >> From: Visuwesh > >> Cc: Stephen Berman , Eli Zaretskii < > eliz@gnu.org>, > >> 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net > >> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:35:07 +0530 > >> > >> I've left this part out since I feel the sentence has a different > >> meaning with this comma. > > > > Thanks. This version is okay, with one minor nit: > > > >> +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as > >> +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and might turn the window > > > > There should be a comma before "as". > > I hope this is all okay now. > > --000000000000b1aa9c062ea7a230 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure what it means to "turn" a window configuration.=C2=A0= Perhaps something like below is simpler and gets the=C2=A0salient point ac= ross and adds the key binding information winner-mode users might find to b= e helpful encouragement.

If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-= mode', as
`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can con= fuse `tab-bar'
window configurations. =C2=A0`tab-bar-history-mode' provides<= /div>
tab-speci= fic window configuration history, avoiding this problem, and
its default key binding= s match those of `winner-mode'.

On Fri, Feb = 21, 2025 at 9:05=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com> wrote:
[=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0= =AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0= =AE=BF 21, 2025] Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net>,=C2=A0 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A076439@debbugs.gnu.org,=C2=A0 juri@linkov.net
>> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 16:35:07 +0530
>>
>> I've left this part out since I feel the sentence has a differ= ent
>> meaning with this comma.
>
> Thanks.=C2=A0 This version is okay, with one minor nit:
>
>> +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mo= de' as
>> +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and might turn the= window
>
> There should be a comma before "as".

I hope this is all okay now.

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Perhaps something > like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds the key > binding information winner-mode users might fi [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [1.7.159.71 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [2607:f8b0:4864:20:0:0:0:643 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (visuweshm[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF= =E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Ship Mints= wrote: > Not sure what it means to "turn" a window configuration. Perhaps somethi= ng > like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds the key > binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpful > encouragement. > > If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode', as > `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confuse `tab-bar' > window configurations. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides > tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this problem, and > its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'. I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations" lacking in detail. If the problem is the verb "turn", what do you think about using "change" or "replace" instead? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 23 07:18:46 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2025 12:18:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59698 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tmAwX-0002w1-IT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:18:45 -0500 Received: from mail-ua1-x933.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::933]:44189) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tmAwS-0002ve-0s for 76439@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:18:43 -0500 Received: by mail-ua1-x933.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-8641bc78952so919241241.0 for <76439@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 04:18:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740313114; x=1740917914; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=lufGihSycTjZhPPmQeluW8qoquH6NzqptwlOQgB+DlM=; b=I8i+t2t5XVaVWqk0AbU8+mV3Fe2s+UqUU29PkbwwEbjTJFkzfMg+w0wizUFunL9/hH 2GQf811wh9k8lOed5XyldDwtb9eqvdU8rhpOZRyXCITPjggoNm1yt9qMH5JO46JmaAHm hOpNmzSYFrMt49mQL4Nd+O6dv6+LniWyEF3UePLCilaoKl26cKdNpuvZ5T+pAe4uyLG2 plyfvkvj1Y7fdFRbsL9J+BiqsZ06tUF6k1+dW1oMxWEGYTvaag+J3/PRM0EoQE9RMVy6 By9xk/a9MT1ebwAcC5lvLFXxhmjrg50qHGDnx1/HO2D2q2o2AB2K2Umo9sFnkcsFOfP0 q3ag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740313114; x=1740917914; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=lufGihSycTjZhPPmQeluW8qoquH6NzqptwlOQgB+DlM=; b=FvwClFlXW/kgRJJ+cjv3pbYtjzVja3RapTOdlT/A6XPT2GVFIY98z9A3DmkZkQurC6 x7kroUByoAqochKTXDU3HlQZ6+8WXi07nVTqdqu7gmaCFToKT5kdrE4gyhsrD9acYWas MyZnoIF5qv/th4520W/A5F3XS1O7kpkcO4dchZColGFGy9p+vP2oA402rMUfgkhJPzmw 1kgtCqnJCMMjpzMKktUlEE0bLrg69mNwG5Q8WUiToaQ3xwmzqD1terdJAuko7lSuNime ec2TTfNxjVEZSsKKDD5t+joS/BmNKQKqCyJkR8NGPuy7GPqYLQRXEvrPPtadzECqZena 2NRQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWgxo+TBPqpWiSgox8FCRKOXBmBoQJZyRx5k3pL146J7xPCbl/yWakSn52JX9/Vd5BbsKTqYQ==@debbugs.gnu.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzlyQ3wEJwzBVyof3KvCG1CW9huoP4X2JiCRUfILdqDEyZTlsVf IMnI5SGb3JT6b2cMUx/mH7mb5QPblOuUxQtcwYyz9b1P97s1Lzxt92euCISEDCAGUCs/NgrYflm mO74mbdFLPiXNG9m/ZZnVv2ELwTU= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuauf8hEjPGX8SAZXEIzeWqm0YN2oQKsC1OjCws1koq+rjTj+g66Uy3D+RFFLD FrWknPjJWbEgPcYHVnOIuoTscKseMXCCKqDlrlxXwZ7h0hsgOvkMMrsnjkGMd9+Z1ax7HAnQLzc FLIqJHfQk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHiPaIA0NzZF7iY/wB3HnvtcLwEqE4huGAERalNi86DgsCF77y0OlxOEFkB54CbFJ8c1Ts+Bxo7fZfeTGl56L8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:441c:b0:4b1:1eb5:8ee3 with SMTP id ada2fe7eead31-4bfc0277734mr4822545137.22.1740313113928; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 04:18:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86mseg34nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> <86ldu02z0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87h64ovwm5.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdj214x.fsf@gnu.org> <87ldtzzm09.fsf@gmail.com> <87pljbab3w.fsf@gmx.net> <87h64nzkrw.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfifvbzk.fsf@gmail.com> <874j0nzj3t.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7t3vb54.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfify3n1.fsf@gmail.com> <87r03rv9r0.fsf@gmail.com> <864j0n1ona.fsf@gnu.org> <87msefv1ix.fsf@gmail.com> <87jz9htcki.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87jz9htcki.fsf@gmail.com> From: Ship Mints Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:18:22 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZkaNkpkFSLTVCxzI8eGsY6tArzlMfFP5AML0OvYVOtR-sbBkwg7lhtN9dM Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring To: Visuwesh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f42aac062ece3861" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stephen.berman@gmx.net, 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000f42aac062ece3861 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh wrot= e: > [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE= =BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Ship Mi= nts wrote: > > > Not sure what it means to "turn" a window configuration. Perhaps > something > > like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds the ke= y > > binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpful > > encouragement. > > > > If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode', as > > `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confuse `tab-bar' > > window configurations. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides > > tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this problem, and > > its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'. > > I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations" lacking in detail. > If the problem is the verb "turn", what do you think about using > "change" or "replace" instead? > How about "`winner-mode' window-configuration histories are tab naive, and will produce unexpected results when used with `tab-bar-mode`." --000000000000f42aac062ece3861 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
= On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com> wrote:
[=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF = =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21= , 2025] Ship Mints wrote:

> Not sure what it means to "turn" a window configuration.=C2= =A0 Perhaps something
> like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds the k= ey
> binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpful
> encouragement.
>
> If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode= 9;, as
> `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confuse `tab-ba= r'
> window configurations.=C2=A0 `tab-bar-history-mode' provides
> tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this problem, and<= br> > its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'.

I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations" lacking = in detail.
If the problem is the verb "turn", what do you think about using<= br> "change" or "replace" instead?
How abo= ut "`winner-mode' window-configuration histories=C2=A0are tab naiv= e, and will produce unexpected results when used with `tab-bar-mode`."=
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Perhaps >> something >> > like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds t= he key >> > binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpful >> > encouragement. >> > >> > If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode', = as >> > `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confuse `tab-ba= r' >> > window configurations. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides >> > tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this problem, = and >> > its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'. >>=20 >> I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations" lacking in deta= il. >> If the problem is the verb "turn", what do you think about using >> "change" or "replace" instead? >>=20 Ship> How about "`winner-mode' window-configuration histories are tab n= aive, and Ship> will produce unexpected results when used with `tab-bar-mode`." I=CA=BCd say "are not aware of tabs", just to avoid us discussing whether it=CA=BCs "tab naive", "tab na=C3=AFve", "tab-naive", or "tab-na=C3=AFve" = =F0=9F=99=82 Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 23 08:09:34 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2025 13:09:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59807 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tmBjh-0008OT-Vt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 08:09:34 -0500 Received: from mail-ua1-x930.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::930]:49562) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tmBje-0008OD-Ek for 76439@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 08:09:32 -0500 Received: by mail-ua1-x930.google.com with SMTP id a1e0cc1a2514c-86b0013770fso209879241.3 for <76439@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 05:09:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1740316165; x=1740920965; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=9lnQcB+gxfrDSB9E7PZ3z/4vJZxqGle1lCbKmvAy68I=; b=MFNt51ytU1x4OxhRcKG20/1K33i1opuUrv8ocejtQCvjiOifi3JJz8LChaJa9na81S 5Ue2Jb+XXgooVNH4FO0bze07wk2k7vnniXnhRDQwHxl/0zKU1XhtcmHBnKcNkI0PpO4X pcDs9XYD/Csx9YuLqQ+esASgjRSHpfn29YsoU0Vm54iPqdpivI5Z9x7TTgEBZ+kjxvc1 mcvlCKDAmiKM41Czap3sM4OHxsf1M4nZvZSRqS8EdIAjjcOADtEw2buTqOtz0sISltdb ahhBdiYO9O7Ol/PfkiuhY1BQ5zHc22mExUpAsv6FlcSNmCkp5Mv9DRTIteTmg//dqnqe vr+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1740316165; x=1740920965; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=9lnQcB+gxfrDSB9E7PZ3z/4vJZxqGle1lCbKmvAy68I=; b=JSSiAtNSI5iSqqT5hNN07Od6LFOqKWFKq0wFKywdWqqPnZEF1k9K7kvdLKJ05B2RVH Rk8tkBu5QOpHt/nz1aEh1ZEEWsSZgyHPpNO7LNs2xfNH8Px2fb77M1EUD+i9fYLRtza/ pbPyJqTrlzCAX9IkdEMQonKAhfwnec2ch3OjjIqYYcLnTYO0P5q5DvJLp26yKy61hNTK JdTU+bakBebb4Dt3xIeVgzPOKfB38tc4Q+dNfLVfO+lyLfgYDPVMdJ8B8rtHqxq6/+7M 05KLNhO3WZMjG4rcg/fjFqa4CGTWA1DESxXab5cKTMp43mXomcwlOc5sururY+uSNYRU kNFw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVGf7aWx1eQmJ3k+snnIbOOw9Wd2aWQ1744mGL+xHI8etOESzMxWDLRQaNjPfvhbbUVBpnAiQ==@debbugs.gnu.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzrF1pudnaDk8PMAh0WEVok59z/mayzyY/740qW/jSFp2ddoKjO Kf2qhO/f1ZGIfQF/BvUTuWgP77g1YKntLHLwsDyPWy/aNUGakzhGLH0vMXU2dxqVUvN5xZj0zNI NN0FQH/MithSz/vDoqKE/M60f32g= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnct0cieJI3m/qPKwIBvHdV+tocBldUPu569AqaHH2IUpEujXzny2VtCN2J4F7A2 CYGOcdxMLkNLW9z3MxS+dNxiOmMYhRlWEFOatnEzGHFmQmNNP9/e7KittJK+B/cmRbNcxoPoJA1 zut7FYKGk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHRhDEUERL2AL9RWbSHFgjbdnOKMgmQbamX5zuAQXxdBP9+/U3tBlrmvhAh0FLvvCyb+Phv4RgqUJOBRc/+89s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:8b04:b0:515:4b68:c37f with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-521efca4450mr4787407e0c.6.1740316164760; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 05:09:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86mseg34nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> <86ldu02z0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87h64ovwm5.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdj214x.fsf@gnu.org> <87ldtzzm09.fsf@gmail.com> <87pljbab3w.fsf@gmx.net> <87h64nzkrw.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfifvbzk.fsf@gmail.com> <874j0nzj3t.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7t3vb54.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfify3n1.fsf@gmail.com> <87r03rv9r0.fsf@gmail.com> <864j0n1ona.fsf@gnu.org> <87msefv1ix.fsf@gmail.com> <87jz9htcki.fsf@gmail.com> <87tt8kx1eg.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87tt8kx1eg.fsf@gmail.com> From: Ship Mints Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 08:09:13 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZlO15-VfGCQj49_BEgJITaLAzW2ALxkgwOcC0g9cWN-XkLoBO-DT9oOy8c Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring To: Robert Pluim Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cc2a6f062eceee33" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: juri@linkov.net, Eli Zaretskii , stephen.berman@gmx.net, 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, Visuwesh X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000cc2a6f062eceee33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In English, naive is correct as an adapted old-French word (same with naif)= . No hyphen necessary as there is no clarification needed for the object of the adjective. Let's go for broad clarity over brevity. On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Robert Pluim wro= te: > >>>>> On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:18:22 -0500, Ship Mints > said: > > Ship> On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh > wrote: > >> [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA= =E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] S= hip Mints wrote: > >> > >> > Not sure what it means to "turn" a window configuration. Perhap= s > >> something > >> > like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds > the key > >> > binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpful > >> > encouragement. > >> > > >> > If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode'= , > as > >> > `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confuse > `tab-bar' > >> > window configurations. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides > >> > tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this problem= , > and > >> > its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'. > >> > >> I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations" lacking in > detail. > >> If the problem is the verb "turn", what do you think about using > >> "change" or "replace" instead? > >> > > Ship> How about "`winner-mode' window-configuration histories are tab > naive, and > Ship> will produce unexpected results when used with `tab-bar-mode`." > > I=CA=BCd say "are not aware of tabs", just to avoid us discussing whether > it=CA=BCs "tab naive", "tab na=C3=AFve", "tab-naive", or "tab-na=C3=AFve"= =F0=9F=99=82 > > Robert > -- > --000000000000cc2a6f062eceee33 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In English, naive is correct as an adapted old-French word (same with na= if).

=
No hyphe= n necessary as there is no clarification needed for the object of the adjec= tive.
Let'= ;s go for broad clarity over brevity.

On Sun, Feb 23, 20= 25 at 7:59=E2=80=AFAM Robert Pluim <= rpluim@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:18:22 -0500, Sh= ip Mints <shipm= ints@gmail.com> said:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ship> On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh <= ;visuweshm@gmail.c= om> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE= =BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE= =BF 21, 2025] Ship Mints wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > Not sure what it means to "turn" a wi= ndow configuration.=C2=A0 Perhaps
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> something
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > like below is simpler and gets the salient poin= t across and adds the key
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > binding information winner-mode users might fin= d to be helpful
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > encouragement.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> >
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `= tab-bar-history-mode', as
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, = and can confuse `tab-bar'
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > window configurations.=C2=A0 `tab-bar-history-m= ode' provides
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > tab-specific window configuration history, avoi= ding this problem, and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> > its default key bindings match those of `winner= -mode'.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window config= urations" lacking in detail.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> If the problem is the verb "turn", what do= you think about using
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> "change" or "replace" instead? =C2=A0 =C2=A0 >>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ship> How about "`winner-mode' window-configurati= on histories are tab naive, and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ship> will produce unexpected results when used with `tab-= bar-mode`."

I=CA=BCd say "are not aware of tabs", just to avoid us discussing= whether
it=CA=BCs "tab naive", "tab na=C3=AFve", "tab-naiv= e", or "tab-na=C3=AFve" =F0=9F=99=82

Robert
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Ship> No hyphen necessary as there is no clarification needed for the o= bject of Ship> the adjective. I=CA=BCm going to have to make my "don=CA=BCt take this comment too serious= ly" notices bigger. Maybe wrap them in or something. Ship> Let's go for broad clarity over brevity. Absolutely. 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Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:04:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:19:03 +0530 From: Visuwesh To: Ship Mints Subject: =?US-ASCII?Q?Re=3A_bug=2376439=3A_=5BPATCH=5D_Specify_=27tab-bar-?= =?US-ASCII?Q?history-mode=27_in_=27winner-mode=27_docstring?= User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86mseg34nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> <86ldu02z0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87h64ovwm5.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdj214x.fsf@gnu.org> <87ldtzzm09.fsf@gmail.com> <87pljbab3w.fsf@gmx.net> <87h64nzkrw.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfifvbzk.fsf@gmail.com> <874j0nzj3t.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7t3vb54.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfify3n1.fsf@gmail.com> <87r03rv9r0.fsf@gmail.com> <864j0n1ona.fsf@gnu.org> <87msefv1ix.fsf@gmail.com> <87jz9htcki.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stephen.berman@gmx.net, 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This still doesn't say what the anomalous behaviour is, so I am not sure we= should use this either=2E On 23 February 2025 17:48:22 GMT+05:30, Ship Mints = wrote: >On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh = wrote: > >> [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0=AE= =BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Ship Mi= nts wrote: >> >> > Not sure what it means to "turn" a window configuration=2E Perhaps >> something >> > like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds the = key >> > binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpful >> > encouragement=2E >> > >> > If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode', as >> > `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confuse `tab-bar' >> > window configurations=2E `tab-bar-history-mode' provides >> > tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this problem, and >> > its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'=2E >> >> I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations" lacking in detail= =2E >> If the problem is the verb "turn", what do you think about using >> "change" or "replace" instead? >> > >How about "`winner-mode' window-configuration histories are tab naive, an= d >will produce unexpected results when used with `tab-bar-mode`=2E" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 23 10:16:08 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unexpected results suffices for me. I don't see a need to be more explicit= . On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 10:04=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh wro= te: > This still doesn't say what the anomalous behaviour is, so I am not sure > we should use this either. > > On 23 February 2025 17:48:22 GMT+05:30, Ship Mints > wrote: > >On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh w= rote: > > > >> [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA=E0= =AE=BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] Ship= Mints wrote: > >> > >> > Not sure what it means to "turn" a window configuration. Perhaps > >> something > >> > like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and adds the > key > >> > binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpful > >> > encouragement. > >> > > >> > If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode', as > >> > `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confuse `tab-bar' > >> > window configurations. `tab-bar-history-mode' provides > >> > tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this problem, an= d > >> > its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'. > >> > >> I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations" lacking in detail= . > >> If the problem is the verb "turn", what do you think about using > >> "change" or "replace" instead? > >> > > > >How about "`winner-mode' window-configuration histories are tab naive, a= nd > >will produce unexpected results when used with `tab-bar-mode`." > --000000000000401787062ed0b3bf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Unexpected results suffices=C2=A0for me.= =C2=A0 I don't see a need to be more explicit.

On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 10:04=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com> wrote:
This still doesn't say what th= e anomalous behaviour is, so I am not sure we should use this either.

On 23 February 2025 17:48:22 GMT+05:30, Ship Mints <shipmints@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, Feb 23, 2025 at 1:11=E2=80=AFAM Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com> wrote: >
>> [=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B3=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B3=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=AA= =E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=AA=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF 21, 2025] S= hip Mints wrote:
>>
>> > Not sure what it means to "turn" a window configura= tion.=C2=A0 Perhaps
>> something
>> > like below is simpler and gets the salient point across and a= dds the key
>> > binding information winner-mode users might find to be helpfu= l
>> > encouragement.
>> >
>> > If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-histor= y-mode', as
>> > `winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and can confus= e `tab-bar'
>> > window configurations.=C2=A0 `tab-bar-history-mode' provi= des
>> > tab-specific window configuration history, avoiding this prob= lem, and
>> > its default key bindings match those of `winner-mode'. >>
>> I find "can confuse `tab-bar' window configurations"= lacking in detail.
>> If the problem is the verb "turn", what do you think abo= ut using
>> "change" or "replace" instead?
>>
>
>How about "`winner-mode' window-configuration histories are ta= b naive, and
>will produce unexpected results when used with `tab-bar-mode`."
--000000000000401787062ed0b3bf-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 27 13:16:43 2025 Received: (at 76439) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Feb 2025 18:16:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tniR9-0008WS-07 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 13:16:43 -0500 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([2001:4b98:dc4:8::224]:55325) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tniR6-0008VV-Ln; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 13:16:41 -0500 Received: by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 120FF44528; Thu, 27 Feb 2025 18:16:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Visuwesh Subject: Re: bug#76439: [PATCH] Specify 'tab-bar-history-mode' in 'winner-mode' docstring In-Reply-To: <87msefv1ix.fsf@gmail.com> Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87frk8y8i7.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdk35p6.fsf@gnu.org> <87y0y0wn4d.fsf@gmail.com> <86mseg34nb.fsf@gnu.org> <87tt8owm2m.fsf@gmail.com> <86ldu02z0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87h64ovwm5.fsf@gmail.com> <86wmdj214x.fsf@gnu.org> <87ldtzzm09.fsf@gmail.com> <87pljbab3w.fsf@gmx.net> <87h64nzkrw.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfifvbzk.fsf@gmail.com> <874j0nzj3t.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7t3vb54.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfify3n1.fsf@gmail.com> <87r03rv9r0.fsf@gmail.com> <864j0n1ona.fsf@gnu.org> <87msefv1ix.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 20:15:31 +0200 Message-ID: <877c5buud8.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/31.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-GND-State: clean X-GND-Score: -100 X-GND-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefvddrtddtgdekkeduiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfitefpfffkpdcuggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhephffvvefujghofhffkfgfgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefluhhrihcunfhinhhkohhvuceojhhurhhisehlihhnkhhovhdrnhgvtheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepffegteefveelhfeljeefueehieduiedtfffhuddtkeeffffghfevheetgeeukeehnecukfhppeeluddruddvledruddthedruddujeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeeluddruddvledruddthedruddujedphhgvlhhopehmrghilhdrghgrnhguihdrnhgvthdpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehjuhhriheslhhinhhkohhvrdhnvghtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopeeipdhrtghpthhtoheptghonhhtrhholhesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopeejieegfeelseguvggssghughhsrdhgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepshhtvghphhgvnhdrsggvrhhmrghnsehgmhigrdhnvghtpdhrtghpthhtoheprhhplhhuihhmsehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepvghlihiisehgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepvhhishhufigvshhhmhesghhmrghilhdrtghomh X-GND-Sasl: juri@linkov.net X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 76439 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , stephen.berman@gmx.net, 76439@debbugs.gnu.org, rpluim@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) close 76439 31.0.50 thanks >>> I've left this part out since I feel the sentence has a different >>> meaning with this comma. >> >> Thanks. This version is okay, with one minor nit: >> >>> +If you use `tab-bar-mode', consider using `tab-bar-history-mode' as >>> +`winner-mode' is unaware of tab switching, and might turn the window >> >> There should be a comma before "as". > > I hope this is all okay now. And I hope that I haven't made a mistake, and this is really the latest version. So now pushed to master, and closed. Thanks for the documentation improvement. 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