From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 14 18:36:59 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2010 23:36:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSeQV-0004Cj-1f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:36:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSeQT-0004CV-6E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:36:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSeWU-0000Xw-V4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:43:11 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:58164) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSeWU-0000Xs-TC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:43:10 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48500 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PSeWT-0002Ff-VL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:43:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSeWS-0000Xf-PH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:43:09 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.119]:34360 helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSeWS-0000XY-IU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:43:08 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE6351C074 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:43:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=jidanni.org ; b=j6I04Ulio81oEhb4UUfpWWoIVItUZxalqZ8eThTwY2vMNZMYpB4fGAcMgooA P9rRj2NOcewvE6RJIMHc2Op8GZQw2qTZftWSsEbHZkHRQNUeITjWq4YiPUuhW9mL fEVeq0Jn92daO1QxdpMCSV3W7FA1BNq1R91Go8aX0FXhqR8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=o2Fs9Cg0fOqbgbir2kaSuTFCsRY=; b=XoZW2j7QVyFOq8/9 hoGiQZs7At/dj/0llpzhLQ2Db9XoFuiq8ig/Xf3LwLG1tNPXLTQvev9A/x4zYzLV z41c9ILWO8vAE6SSdi4cAOpSsIa3dB6poqB1Kv2okxzQ7f2+YGJY/5VpYIs0GkUP LzyNYO95gufeQ7UENJR2qjLuBqs= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-2-237.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.2.237]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D52851C073 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: use more familiar left-mouse... names Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:43:03 +0800 Message-ID: <87zks7vs3c.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse center-mouse left-mouse than these names. Maybe the could be made into aliases to show the public. Maybe it would work no matter if the user has configured the mouse for right handers or left. Click on a completion to select it. In this buffer, type RET to select the completion near point. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 14 22:54:24 2010 Received: (at 7641-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2010 03:54:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSiRc-0002B0-99 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:54:24 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSiRa-0002An-3r for 7641-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 22:54:23 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LDG00C00B308L00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 7641-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:00:36 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.167.122]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LDG00B0WB4Z7ZL0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:00:36 +0200 (IST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:00:37 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar left-mouse... names In-reply-to: <87zks7vs3c.fsf@jidanni.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: jidanni@jidanni.org Message-id: <83oc8nhehm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zks7vs3c.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7641-done Cc: 7641-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > From: jidanni@jidanni.org > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:43:03 +0800 > Cc: > > I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse > center-mouse left-mouse than these names. Except that in Emacs, they could be remapped (e.g., mouse-3 could be a simultaneous click on both left and right buttons). If we use left, right, and center, the manual could be simply wrong for some configurations. I'm closing the bug report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 07:44:56 2010 Received: (at 7641) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2010 12:44:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXCRb-00086L-Lg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:44:56 -0500 Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXCRZ-000868-Dy for 7641@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:44:53 -0500 Received: by yxt33 with SMTP id 33so3688511yxt.3 for <7641@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:51:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gjE9zNLtvKRFPhSIRgp0+/ba0rdfCxd/oXc4qnWPFKg=; b=tSSsSZgFiIkGRd+PV9e8OPXXv2xzfDSHrc4Mer4i9BgoB+Z6eG35PObhomtuWAFHjg HgYcgfH59dMTCzyyZkMflx0EhqOqBPlwGtSqjUiyq/yUXhVch1TLMI+qC+PLRq28IxK6 RL4hyTEVCS3KX4uAxQgxAo1DUd6TeKrcn+90c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; b=ThT/DBC6S/L4m2e0IJklDr1sPKLY7nEJ6EhvzoytcnGrrVqi5VH6stA62/9Yprh7li M+1G9V20LaV984spMSlhdu7KNF/vMmWl4JQ4vazqVEy4RR8h0l5XI7ky23HXYl/30Aeo 3cdH7o0bnc/0hN97A+poBH84Zphj1/+jh0wBE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.2.26 with SMTP id 26mr3219962agb.148.1293454300943; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.227.16 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 04:51:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:51:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar names for mouse events From: Dani Moncayo To: 7641@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7641 Cc: jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) >> I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse >> center-mouse left-mouse than these names. > > Except that in Emacs, they could be remapped (e.g., mouse-3 could be a > simultaneous click on both left and right buttons). If we use left, > right, and center, the manual could be simply wrong for some > configurations. > I don't understand this quite well. The manual already associates mouse-X events with left, middle and right buttons [1][2][3], So, if you remap any of these events, the manual will be wrong anyway. Am I missing something?. I any case, I really think that (`mouse-left', `mouse-middle' and `mouse-right') would be a much clearer/intuitive/simpler interface, because mouse-1 will refer to left mouse button in most cases. The manual could describe their normal meanings (as it does now), and also state that these events can be remapped. IOW, this level of abstraction in the mouse events names seems like unnecessary to me. [1] [(emacs) Mouse Commands]. The most basic mouse command is `mouse-set-point', which is called by clicking with the left mouse button, `Mouse-1', in the text area of a window. [...] [2] [(emacs) Mouse Commands]. Clicking with the middle mouse button, `Mouse-2', moves point to the position [...]. [3] [(emacs) Mouse Commands]. Clicking with the right mouse button, `Mouse-3', runs the command `mouse-save-then-kill'. -- Dani Moncayo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 10:17:24 2010 Received: (at 7641) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2010 15:17:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXEpA-0002xa-96 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:17:24 -0500 Received: from harpegolden.net ([65.99.215.13]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXEp8-0002xO-2o for 7641@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:17:22 -0500 Received: from [87.198.55.89] (87-198-55-89.ptr.magnet.ie [87.198.55.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "David De La Harpe Golden", Issuer "David De La Harpe Golden Personal CA rev 3" (verified OK)) by harpegolden.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56BD06841F; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:24:09 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4D18AF97.6050001@harpegolden.net> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:24:07 +0000 From: David De La Harpe Golden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dani Moncayo Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar names for mouse events References: <87zks7vs3c.fsf@jidanni.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7641 Cc: 7641@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) On 27/12/10 12:51, Dani Moncayo wrote: > Am I missing something?. Probably that the numbering comes from X11 where it's conventional, it's not something emacs just made up. And there's potentially 4,5,6,7... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 10:58:36 2010 Received: (at 7641) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2010 15:58:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXFT1-0003p1-JM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:58:35 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXFSy-0003oo-Rw for 7641@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:58:33 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAL9HGE3O+LP+/2dsb2JhbACkPnS+VIVKBIRljhs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,234,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="86563388" Received: from 206-248-179-254.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.179.254]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 27 Dec 2010 11:05:20 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6736358B89; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:05:20 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Dani Moncayo Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar names for mouse events Message-ID: References: <87zks7vs3c.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:05:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Dani Moncayo's message of "Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:51:40 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7641 Cc: 7641@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >>> I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse >>> center-mouse left-mouse than these names. >> Except that in Emacs, they could be remapped (e.g., mouse-3 could be a >> simultaneous click on both left and right buttons). If we use left, >> right, and center, the manual could be simply wrong for some >> configurations. > I don't understand this quite well. Simple: mouse-3 is the button which X-windows defines as the button number 3. Depending on your configuration and on the kind of input device you're using, it may be the right mouse button or it could be ... anything else. So it's OK for the manual to say that mouse-1 is usually the left mouse button, but it would be wrong for Emacs and its manual to always use mouse-left in place of mouse-1. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 27 12:20:10 2010 Received: (at 7641) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Dec 2010 17:20:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXGjx-0005VU-Sl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:20:10 -0500 Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.161.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PXGjv-0005V8-AL for 7641@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 12:20:07 -0500 Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so4126995gxk.3 for <7641@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:26:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ih22dIelUA1u0egKo2IevAHQULQaMZ/7h4hlb5rcgnA=; b=c3LgYhLXwYHMHXRJsifzkYFtGDSKP1UwY69u3GCS+fyJ+aykvhAJUbmYyw7oacgUtb V9/IKHkMi6gPf6UX88EdoezJD7J78gYTSDoDKBcJDlA9uoDQuoNEtDwjSMZD91C5IwWw WRs3hIPSwi7BDVxlqcmqldClANHDgUcAr3Lzk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mzObFQ4+JdHduQtK++zw/6rTpci3bH55GESHqZTi9jjx0rX65AGKZ3ijpQ98wQIufC UhtYyjxBvOcUqoXnXQ+sZLSUCcrsHF1p9KLR1yZyptqIvIOHyR92xuGnzth/MkHIP60H fWT9AIKEr5ae7i3jzdiHzDOTKf41Pr7StUlbE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.2.26 with SMTP id 26mr3505284agb.148.1293470815376; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.227.16 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:26:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <87zks7vs3c.fsf@jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:26:55 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar names for mouse events From: Dani Moncayo To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7641 Cc: 7641@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 17:05, Stefan Monnier wr= ote: >>>> I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse >>>> center-mouse left-mouse than these names. >>> Except that in Emacs, they could be remapped (e.g., mouse-3 could be a >>> simultaneous click on both left and right buttons). =A0If we use left, >>> right, and center, the manual could be simply wrong for some >>> configurations. >> I don't understand this quite well. > > Simple: mouse-3 is the button which X-windows defines as the button > number 3. =A0Depending on your configuration and on the kind of input > device you're using, it may be the right mouse button or it could be > ... anything else. > > So it's OK for the manual to say that mouse-1 is usually the left mouse > button, but it would be wrong for Emacs and its manual to always use > mouse-left in place of mouse-1. > I didn't know it. Thanks --=20 Dani Moncayo From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:17:25 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator