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use more familiar left-mouse... names

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From: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: use more familiar left-mouse... names
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:43:03 +0800

I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse
center-mouse left-mouse than these names.

Maybe the could be made into aliases to show the public.

Maybe it would work no matter if the user has configured the mouse for
right handers or left.

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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Cc: 7641-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar left-mouse... names
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 06:00:37 +0200

> From: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 07:43:03 +0800
> Cc: 
> 
> I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse
> center-mouse left-mouse than these names.

Except that in Emacs, they could be remapped (e.g., mouse-3 could be a
simultaneous click on both left and right buttons).  If we use left,
right, and center, the manual could be simply wrong for some
configurations.

I'm closing the bug report.

Message #13 received at 7641 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>
To: 7641 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar names for mouse events
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:51:40 +0100

>> I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse
>> center-mouse left-mouse than these names.
>
> Except that in Emacs, they could be remapped (e.g., mouse-3 could be a
> simultaneous click on both left and right buttons).  If we use left,
> right, and center, the manual could be simply wrong for some
> configurations.
>

I don't understand this quite well.

The manual already associates mouse-X events with left, middle and
right buttons [1][2][3], So, if you remap any of these events, the
manual will be wrong anyway.

Am I missing something?.

I any case, I really think that (`mouse-left', `mouse-middle' and
`mouse-right') would be a much clearer/intuitive/simpler interface,
because mouse-1 will refer to left mouse button in most cases. The
manual could describe their normal meanings (as it does now), and also
state that these events can be remapped.

IOW, this level of abstraction in the mouse events names seems like
unnecessary to me.



[1] [(emacs) Mouse Commands].
   The most basic mouse command is `mouse-set-point', which is called
by clicking with the left mouse button, `Mouse-1', in the text area of
a window. [...]

[2] [(emacs) Mouse Commands].
   Clicking with the middle mouse button, `Mouse-2', moves point to the
position [...].

[3] [(emacs) Mouse Commands].
   Clicking with the right mouse button, `Mouse-3', runs the command
`mouse-save-then-kill'.


-- 
Dani Moncayo

Message #16 received at 7641 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: David De La Harpe Golden <david <at> harpegolden.net>
To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 7641 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar names for mouse events
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:24:07 +0000

On 27/12/10 12:51, Dani Moncayo wrote:

> Am I missing something?.

Probably that the numbering comes from X11 where it's conventional, it's 
not something emacs just made up.  And there's potentially
4,5,6,7...

Message #19 received at 7641 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 7641 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar names for mouse events
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:05:20 -0500

>>> I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse
>>> center-mouse left-mouse than these names.
>> Except that in Emacs, they could be remapped (e.g., mouse-3 could be a
>> simultaneous click on both left and right buttons).  If we use left,
>> right, and center, the manual could be simply wrong for some
>> configurations.
> I don't understand this quite well.

Simple: mouse-3 is the button which X-windows defines as the button
number 3.  Depending on your configuration and on the kind of input
device you're using, it may be the right mouse button or it could be
... anything else.

So it's OK for the manual to say that mouse-1 is usually the left mouse
button, but it would be wrong for Emacs and its manual to always use
mouse-left in place of mouse-1.


        Stefan

Message #22 received at 7641 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dani Moncayo <dmoncayo <at> gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 7641 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, jidanni <at> jidanni.org
Subject: Re: bug#7641: use more familiar names for mouse events
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:26:55 +0100

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 17:05, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>>> I think the general public are more familiar with right-mouse
>>>> center-mouse left-mouse than these names.
>>> Except that in Emacs, they could be remapped (e.g., mouse-3 could be a
>>> simultaneous click on both left and right buttons).  If we use left,
>>> right, and center, the manual could be simply wrong for some
>>> configurations.
>> I don't understand this quite well.
>
> Simple: mouse-3 is the button which X-windows defines as the button
> number 3.  Depending on your configuration and on the kind of input
> device you're using, it may be the right mouse button or it could be
> ... anything else.
>
> So it's OK for the manual to say that mouse-1 is usually the left mouse
> button, but it would be wrong for Emacs and its manual to always use
> mouse-left in place of mouse-1.
>
I didn't know it. Thanks


-- 
Dani Moncayo

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