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[PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex

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From: Elijah Gabe Perez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:11:12 -0600

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Tags: patch

This is a patch series that I already have ready for several translations
for some refcards.

This patch only contains the translation for `refcard.tex'.

I also made changes (in another patch) to the Makefile and README for
translations.

I'm not sure if I should upload the other patches in separate threads
or upload them as one here.


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Message #8 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Elijah Gabe Perez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 07:55:23 +0200

> From: Elijah Gabe Perez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:11:12 -0600
> 
> This is a patch series that I already have ready for several translations
> for some refcards.
> 
> This patch only contains the translation for `refcard.tex'.

Does producing a PDF file from this require some special TeX setup,
like installing some fonts?  If so, please describe them.

> I also made changes (in another patch) to the Makefile and README for
> translations.

I don't see that in the patch.  Did you miss that?

Also, I think this should be in NEWS.

> I'm not sure if I should upload the other patches in separate threads
> or upload them as one here.

I think a separate pat6ch for each translation is better.

Thanks for working on this.

Message #11 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Elijah G <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 00:15:09 -0600

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El vie., 14 de febrero de 2025 11:55 p. m., Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
escribió:

> > From: Elijah Gabe Perez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:11:12 -0600
> >
> > This is a patch series that I already have ready for several translations
> > for some refcards.
> >
> > This patch only contains the translation for `refcard.tex'.
>
> Does producing a PDF file from this require some special TeX setup,
> like installing some fonts?  If so, please describe them.
>

Not much in particular, it just mostly uses
accents (´) and tildes (~), which is the same
setup as the Portuguese refcard version.
From what I saw, it doesn't require any extra
font.

> I also made changes (in another patch) to the Makefile and README for
> > translations.
>
> I don't see that in the patch.  Did you miss that?
>

No, I didn't send it as I wanted to make sure they
were for separate patches, i will send it
tomorrow.

Also, I think this should be in NEWS.
>

I'll add it to the patch.


> > I'm not sure if I should upload the other patches in separate threads
> > or upload them as one here.
>
> I think a separate pat6ch for each translation is better.
>

Okay, I'll send on this thread them tomorrow.

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>

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Message #14 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>
To: Elijah Gabe Perez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>, 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:47:08 +0100

Hello,

I have some notes about the translation.

Is there a special place to discuss translations?

> +\key{{\bf insertar} contenidos de otro archivo en este b{\'u}fer}{C-x i}

In the spanish translation of the tutorial (etc/tutorials/TUTORIALS.es), 
the term 'buffer' is used like that, in english. I think we should keep 
coherence and use it here also.


> +El sistema de ayuda es simple. Presione \kbd{C-h} (o \kbd{F1}) y sigue
> +las opciones. Si esta es tu primera vez, presione \kbd{C-h t} para ir al
> +{\bf tutorial}.

Here you are mixing formal and informal addressing (Presione/tu primera 
vez). The tutorial uses formal.

> +\key{obtener informaci{\'o}n especifica del modo}{C-h m}

espec{\'i}fica

> +\threecol{linea}{C-p}{C-n}

(and a few more times)

l{\'i}nea

> +Las respuestas validas en el modo query-replace son:

v{\'a}lidas

> +\key{ejecutar un comando de shell en la region}{M-|}

regi{\'o}n

> +\key{expandir palabra anterior dinamicamente}{M-/}

din{\'a}micamente

> +\key{cualquier unico caracter excepto una nueva linea}{. {\rm(dot)}}

{'\u}nico

> +\key{mismo texto del grupo numero {\it n\/}}{\\{\it n}}

n{\'u}mero

Message #17 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Elijah Gabe Perez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
To: Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 13:03:27 -0600

Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
> I have some notes about the translation.
>
> Is there a special place to discuss translations?

AFAIK, no, but we can discuss this on the
elisp-es-traductores <at> nongnu.org mailing list.

>> +\key{{\bf insertar} contenidos de otro archivo en este b{\'u}fer}{C-x i}
>
> In the spanish translation of the tutorial (etc/tutorials/TUTORIALS.es), the term 'buffer' is used like that, in english. I think we should keep coherence and use it here also.

You're right.

>> +El sistema de ayuda es simple. Presione \kbd{C-h} (o \kbd{F1}) y sigue
>> +las opciones. Si esta es tu primera vez, presione \kbd{C-h t} para ir al
>> +{\bf tutorial}.
>
> Here you are mixing formal and informal addressing (Presione/tu primera vez). The tutorial uses formal.

Fine, i changed it to formal.

>> +\key{obtener informaci{\'o}n especifica del modo}{C-h m}
>
> espec{\'i}fica
>
>> +\threecol{linea}{C-p}{C-n}
>
> (and a few more times)
>
> l{\'i}nea
>
>> +Las respuestas validas en el modo query-replace son:
>
> v{\'a}lidas
>
>> +\key{ejecutar un comando de shell en la region}{M-|}
>
> regi{\'o}n
>
>> +\key{expandir palabra anterior dinamicamente}{M-/}
>
> din{\'a}micamente
>
>> +\key{cualquier unico caracter excepto una nueva linea}{. {\rm(dot)}}
>
> {'\u}nico
>
>> +\key{mismo texto del grupo numero {\it n\/}}{\\{\it n}}
>
> n{\'u}mero

Thanks for the corrections, i'm not sure why my hunspell didn't correct
them for me.

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Message #20 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Elijah Gabe Perez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 13:09:37 -0600

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Here are the missing patches plus previous updated patch:

[0001-Add-changes-to-etc-refcards-Makefile-and-etc-refcard.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-dired-ref.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-refcard.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-survival.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

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Message #23 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
To: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>,
 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 11:08:05 -0600

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I updated the patches due to a typo.
I hope it is not an inconvenience.

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[0001-Add-changes-to-etc-refcards-Makefile-and-etc-refcard.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-dired-ref.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-refcard.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-survival.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

Message #28 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>,
 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 00:02:30 +0000

Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I updated the patches due to a typo.
> I hope it is not an inconvenience.

Thanks!  Do we have anyone on this list who knows Spanish well and would
like to help us proof-read the translations?

Message #31 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
To: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>,
 Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>, 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:35:42 -0300

Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> I updated the patches due to a typo.
> I hope it is not an inconvenience.
>
> --
>                                                    - E.G via GNU Emacs.
>
>>From 38cdac8648323dae633d694ea45c2aedacc559e3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> From: "Elías Gabriel Pérez" <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 12:01:31 -0600
> Subject: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for dired-ref.tex
>
> * etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex New file.
> ---
>  etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex | 421 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 421 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex
>
> diff --git a/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex 
b/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex
> new file mode 100644
> index 00000000000..62a3e623e0a
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex
> @@ -0,0 +1,421 @@

> +\section{Entrando y Saliendo de Dired}
> +
> +\key{ejecutar dired}{C-x d}
> +\key{entrar con dired al directorio del archivo que estas 
editando}{C-x C-j \dx}

"estás".

> +\key{salir de dired}{q}
> +
> +\section{Comandos de movimiento}
> +
> +\key{subir a la l{\'i}nea anterior}{p}
> +\key{bajar a la siguiente l{\'i}nea l{\'i}nea}{n}

Duplicated l{\'i}nea?

> +\key{subir al archivo marcado anterior}{M-\{}
> +\key{bajar al siguiente archivo marcado}{M-\}}

Maybe "subir al anterior archivo marcado"?

> +\section{Seleccionar y Deseleccionar Archivos}
> +
> +\key{seleccionar un archivo o subdirectorio para comandos 
posteriores}{m}
> +\key{deseleccionar un archivo o todos los archivos de un 
subdirectorio}{u}
> +\key{deseleccionar todos los archivos seleccionados en un 
buffer}{M-delete}
> +\key{seleccionar archivos con una extensi{\'o}n determinada}{* .}
> +\key{seleccionar todos los directorios}{* /}
> +\key{seleccionar todos los enlaces simb{\'o}licos}{* @}
> +\key{seleccionar todos los ejecutables}{* *}
> +\key{invertir selecci{\'o}n}{t}
> +\key{seleccionar todos los archivos en el subdirectorio actual}{* s}
> +\key{seleccionar los nombres de archivos que coinciden con una 
expresi{\'o}n regular}{* \%}
> +\key{cambia las selecciones a un caracter diferente}{* c}

Maybe "cambiar", for consistency.

> +\key{editar los switches de ls}{C-u s}

Why not "argumentos" as a translation for "switches"?

> +\key{convertir nombre del(los) archivo(s) a minusculas}{\% l}
> +\key{convertir nombre del(los) archivo(s) a mayusculas}{\% u}

"minúsculas" and "mayúsculas".

> +\key{compila a bytes este archivo(s)}{B}

Maybe "compilar".

> +\key{marcar todos archivos de respaldo (los nombres de archivos que

"marcar todos los archivos"


>>From 45499583a4c0855c40085f8c82941e8aabfbdc2e Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>From: "Elías Gabriel Pérez" <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
>Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 12:01:31 -0600
>Subject: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
>
>* etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex New file.
>---
> etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex | 716 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 1 file changed, 716 insertions(+)
> create mode 100644 etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex
>
>diff --git a/etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex
>new file mode 100644
>index 00000000000..2de135cd824
>--- /dev/null
>+++ b/etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex
>@@ -0,0 +1,716 @@

>+\section{Obtener Ayuda}
>+
>+El sistema de ayuda es simple. Teclee \kbd{C-h} (o \kbd{F1}) y sigue

"Teclee y siga" or "Teclea y sigue".

>+las opciones. Si esta usted empezando, teclee \kbd{C-h t} para ir al
>+{\bf tutorial}.

"esta" -> "está"

>+\key{poner selecci{\'o}n aqu{\'i}}{C-@ {\rm o} C-SPC}
>+\key{intercambiar la posicion del cursor y de la selecci{\'o}n}{C-x C-x}

"posición"

>+Las respuestas v{\'a}lidas en el modo query-replace son:
>+
>+\key{{\bf remplaza} este, ve hacia el siguiente}{SPC {\rm o} y}
>+\key{remplaza este, no te muevas}{,}
>+\key{{\bf salta} al siguiente sin remplazar}{DEL {\rm or} n}
>+\key{remplaza todas las coincidencias restantes}{!}
>+\key{{\bf volver} a la coincidencia anterior}{^}
>+\key{{\bf salir} de query-replace}{RET}
>+\key{editar recursivamente(\kbd{C-M-c} para salir)}{C-r}

For consistency, keep using infinitive.

>+\section{Formato y Sangr{\'i}as}
>+
>+\key{sangrar regi{\'o}n rigidamente en {\it arg\/} columnas}{C-x TAB}

"rígidamente".

>+\section{Cambio de Case}
>+
>+\key{poner la palabra en may{\'u}sculas}{M-u}
>+\key{poner la palabra en min{\'u}sculas}{M-l}
>+\key{poner la palabra con may{\'u}scula inicial (capitalizar)}{M-c}

Is "capitalizar" really the right translation, as per RAE?

>+\key{mostrar posibles show finalizaciones}{?}

Hmm.  Something with "candidatos"?

>+\section{Abreviaturas (Abbrevs)}
>+
>+\key{a{\~n}adir abreviatura global}{C-x a g}
>+\key{a{\~n}adir abreviatura local del modo}{C-x a l}
>+\key{a{\~n}adir expansi{\'o}n global}{C-x a i g}
>+\key{para esta abreviaci{\'o}n}{}
>+\key{a{\~n}adir expansi{\'o}n local del modo para esta 
abreviaci{\'o}n}{C-x a i l}
>+\key{expl{\'i}citamente expandir abreviaci{\'o}n}{C-x a e}

Why change "abreviatura" to "abreviación"?

>+\threecol{{\bf clase del caracter}}{{\bf estas}}{{\bf otras}}

"éstas"?

>+\metax{choose preferred coding system}{M-x prefer-coding-system}

Missing "elegir el sistema de codificación preferido".

>+\key{{\bf ejecutar} ultima macro definida}{C-x e}

"última".
>+La especificaci{\'o}n \kbd{interactive} dice c{\'o}mo leer argumentos de

"como", since we're not asking a question.


>>From bd612c1c043cac35db43c9908590095f441cf36a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>From: "Elías Gabriel Pérez" <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
>Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 12:01:31 -0600
>Subject: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for survival.tex
>
>* etc/refcards/es-survival.tex New file.
>---
> etc/refcards/es-survival.tex | 422 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 1 file changed, 422 insertions(+)
> create mode 100644 etc/refcards/es-survival.tex
>
>diff --git a/etc/refcards/es-survival.tex b/etc/refcards/es-survival.tex
>new file mode 100644
>index 00000000000..fcd4759334b
>--- /dev/null
>+++ b/etc/refcards/es-survival.tex
>+A continuaci{\'o}n, \kbd{C-z} significa presionar la tecla `\kbd{z}' 
mientras
>+mantienes presionando la tecla {\it Ctrl}. \kbd{M-z} means significa

Leftover "means".

>+presionar la tecla `\kbd{z}' mientras mantienes presionando la tecla

Maybe "mantienes presionada", here and above.
>+o despues de presionar la tecla {\it Esc\/}.

"después".

>+\key{C-y} volver a pegar lo ultimo que se cort{\'o} (\kbd{C-w C-y} la

"último".

>+\key{M-y} remplazar ultimo pegado con la cortada anterior

"último".

>+\section{Etiquetas}
>+
>+La tabla de etiquetas guarda la localizaci{\'o}n de funciones y 
definiciones
>+de procedimientos, variables globales, tipos de datos y cualquier otra
>+cosa conveniente.  para crear un archivo de tablas de etiquetas, escriba

"Para".

>+\key{M-.} encontrar una definici{\'o}n
>+\key{M-,} vuelve a donde \kbd{M-.} fue invocado por {\'u}ltima vez

"volver"?
>+\mkey{M-x tags-query-replace} ejecuta query-replace en todos los archivos
>+  registrados en la tabla de etiquetas

"ejecutar"?

>+\section{Lectura y env{\'i}o de correo electr{\'o}nico}
>+
>+\key{C-c C-c} env{\'i}ar el mensaje y cambiar a otro buffer

"enviar".

>+\section{Buscar y Remplazar}
>+
>+\key{M-\%} buscar y reemplazar de forma interactiva

You've been using "remplazar" consistently, so I'd say keep using it
like that.

>+\section{Expresiones regulares}
>+
>+\key{. {\rm(dot)}} cualquier car{\'a}cter individual excepto una 
nueva l{\'i}nea
>+\key{*} cero o m{\'a}s repeticiones
>+\key{+} uno o m{\'a}s repeticiones

"una".

Message #34 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>,
 Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 13:18:45 +0100

On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:35:42 -0300 Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I updated the patches due to a typo.
>> I hope it is not an inconvenience.
>>
>> --
>>                                                    - E.G via GNU Emacs.
>>
>>>From 38cdac8648323dae633d694ea45c2aedacc559e3 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>> From: "Elías Gabriel Pérez" <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 12:01:31 -0600
>> Subject: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for dired-ref.tex
>>
>> * etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex New file.
>> ---
>>  etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex | 421 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  1 file changed, 421 insertions(+)
>>  create mode 100644 etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex
>>
>> diff --git a/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex b/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex
>> new file mode 100644
>> index 00000000000..62a3e623e0a
>> --- /dev/null
>> +++ b/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex
>> @@ -0,0 +1,421 @@
[...]
>> +\section{Seleccionar y Deseleccionar Archivos}
>> +
>> +\key{seleccionar un archivo o subdirectorio para comandos posteriores}{m}
>> +\key{deseleccionar un archivo o todos los archivos de un subdirectorio}{u}
>> +\key{deseleccionar todos los archivos seleccionados en un buffer}{M-delete}
>> +\key{seleccionar archivos con una extensi{\'o}n determinada}{* .}
>> +\key{seleccionar todos los directorios}{* /}
>> +\key{seleccionar todos los enlaces simb{\'o}licos}{* @}
>> +\key{seleccionar todos los ejecutables}{* *}
>> +\key{invertir selecci{\'o}n}{t}
>> +\key{seleccionar todos los archivos en el subdirectorio actual}{* s}
>> +\key{seleccionar los nombres de archivos que coinciden con una expresi{\'o}n regular}{* \%}
>> +\key{cambia las selecciones a un caracter diferente}{* c}
>
> Maybe "cambiar", for consistency.

Also "caracter" -> "car{\'a}cter", and here too:

+\section{Expresiones regulares}
+
+\key{cualquier {\'u}nico caracter excepto una nueva l{\'i}nea}{. {\rm(dot)}}
                          ^^^^^^^^
[...]
>>+La especificaci{\'o}n \kbd{interactive} dice c{\'o}mo leer argumentos de
>
> "como", since we're not asking a question.

But isn't this an indirect question?  Cf. "No sé cómo hacerlo" (from Butt,
Benjamin and Moreira Rodríguez (2019) A New Reference Grammar of Modern
Spanish (6th ed), p. 354).

Steve Berman

Message #37 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
To: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>,
 Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 09:37:30 -0300

Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net> writes:

> On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:35:42 -0300 Mauro Aranda 
<maurooaranda <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>

>>>+La especificaci{\'o}n \kbd{interactive} dice c{\'o}mo leer 
argumentos de
>>
>> "como", since we're not asking a question.
>
> But isn't this an indirect question?  Cf. "No sé cómo hacerlo" (from 
Butt,
> Benjamin and Moreira Rodríguez (2019) A New Reference Grammar of Modern
> Spanish (6th ed), p. 354).
>

Doesn't sound like an indirect question to me.  If it were "Emacs asks
..." or something like that, then yes.

I might be entirely wrong.  I'm a native speaker but my last lesson of
Spanish Grammar was in school, several years ago.

Message #40 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>,
 Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 13:55:41 +0100

On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 09:37:30 -0300 Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com> wrote:

> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:35:42 -0300 Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
>  wrote:
>>
>>> Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>
>>>>+La especificaci{\'o}n \kbd{interactive} dice c{\'o}mo leer argumentos de
>>>
>>> "como", since we're not asking a question.
>>
>> But isn't this an indirect question?  Cf. "No sé cómo hacerlo" (from Butt,
>> Benjamin and Moreira Rodríguez (2019) A New Reference Grammar of Modern
>> Spanish (6th ed), p. 354).
>>
>
> Doesn't sound like an indirect question to me.  If it were "Emacs asks
> ..." or something like that, then yes.
>
> I might be entirely wrong.  I'm a native speaker but my last lesson of
> Spanish Grammar was in school, several years ago.

I'm not a native speaker of Spanish, only learned it at school, but that
was much longer than several years ago....  But I think indirect
questions can be introduced by more than interrogative verbs like "ask",
cf. <https://www.rae.es/gram%C3%A1tica/sintaxis/interrogativos-y-exclamativos-iv-c%C3%B3mo-y-por-qu%C3%A9-locuciones-que-se-les-asimilan>:
"No vi cómo lo hizo."  However, that page says both are possible:

"En la construcción /Ya verás cómo consigue ganar/ (con el adverbio
interrogativo cómo), se hace referencia a la manera de conseguir
algo. En cambio, en /Ya verás como consigue ganar/, la conjunción como
introduce una subordinada completiva que alude al propio hecho de la
consecución".

I have no intuition on this distinction, so leave the resolution to the
native speakers.

Steve Berman

Message #43 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
To: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>,
 Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:03:53 -0300

Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net> writes:

> On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 09:37:30 -0300 Mauro Aranda 
<maurooaranda <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 07:35:42 -0300 Mauro Aranda 
<maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>
>>>>>+La especificaci{\'o}n \kbd{interactive} dice c{\'o}mo leer 
argumentos de
>>>>
>>>> "como", since we're not asking a question.
>>>
>>> But isn't this an indirect question?  Cf. "No sé cómo hacerlo" 
(from Butt,
>>> Benjamin and Moreira Rodríguez (2019) A New Reference Grammar of Modern
>>> Spanish (6th ed), p. 354).
>>>
>>
>> Doesn't sound like an indirect question to me.  If it were "Emacs asks
>> ..." or something like that, then yes.
>>
>> I might be entirely wrong.  I'm a native speaker but my last lesson of
>> Spanish Grammar was in school, several years ago.
>
> I'm not a native speaker of Spanish, only learned it at school, but that
> was much longer than several years ago....  But I think indirect
> questions can be introduced by more than interrogative verbs like "ask",
> cf. 
<https://www.rae.es/gram%C3%A1tica/sintaxis/interrogativos-y-exclamativos-iv-c%C3%B3mo-y-por-qu%C3%A9-locuciones-que-se-les-asimilan>:
> "No vi cómo lo hizo."  However, that page says both are possible:
>

Of course, that was just an example.

> "En la construcción /Ya verás cómo consigue ganar/ (con el adverbio
> interrogativo cómo), se hace referencia a la manera de conseguir
> algo. En cambio, en /Ya verás como consigue ganar/, la conjunción como
> introduce una subordinada completiva que alude al propio hecho de la
> consecución".
>
> I have no intuition on this distinction, so leave the resolution to the
> native speakers.
>

Difference is that in this case the sentence is an affirmative
sentence.

Message #46 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>,
 Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2025 19:03:37 -0600

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Thanks you all for your advice, I've updated the patch based on your
feedback (also for the recent changes in master).

[0001-Add-changes-to-etc-refcards-Makefile-and-etc-refcard.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-dired-ref.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-refcard.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-survival.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

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From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
To: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>,
 Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 08:47:16 -0300

Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Thanks you all for your advice, I've updated the patch based on your
> feedback (also for the recent changes in master).

Just a few more typos.  Sorry I didn't catch them in the previous revision.

>diff --git a/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex b/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex
>new file mode 100644
>index 00000000000..887899114c7
>--- /dev/null
>+++ b/etc/refcards/es-dired-ref.tex
> +\key{crear enlace(s) simbolico(s) relativos}{Y}

"simbólico(s)"

> +\key{copar archivos seleccionados por una expresi{\'o}n regular}{\% C}

"copiar"


>diff --git a/etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex
>new file mode 100644
>index 00000000000..4b9d66a589e
>--- /dev/null
>+++ b/etc/refcards/es-refcard.tex

> +\key{remplazar pegado reci{\'e}n con lo ultimo que se cort{\'o}}{M-y}

"último"

> +Presiona \kbd{C-x ESC ESC} para editor y repetir el ultimo comando 
que us{\'o}

"editar"

> +\threecol{{\bf clase del caracter}}{{\bf {\'e}stas}}{{\bf otras}}

"carácter"

> +\newcolumn
> +\title{GNU Emacs: Tarjeta de referencia}
> +\section{Info}
> +
> +\key{entrar al lector de documentacion de Info}{C-h i}

"documentación"

> +\key{seleccionar un elemento del menu}{m}

"menú"

> +\key{seleccionar el elemento {\it n\/} del menu}{{\it n}}

"menú"

>diff --git a/etc/refcards/es-survival.tex b/etc/refcards/es-survival.tex
>new file mode 100644
>index 00000000000..72b055c5aca
>--- /dev/null
>+++ b/etc/refcards/es-survival.tex
> +\key{C-z} minimizar (suspender) Emacs cuando se esta ejecutando

"está"

Message #52 received at 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
To: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>,
 Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>, 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 01:33:35 -0600

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Thank you, Now I've updated the patches.

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-dired-ref.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-refcard.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

[0001-Add-Spanish-translation-for-survival.tex.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

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From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
To: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 76300 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>, Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>,
 Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2025 10:27:33 -0300

Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Thank you, Now I've updated the patches.

I've got no further comments.

Thanks to you for working on this.

Message #60 received at 76300-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Cecilio Pardo <cpardo <at> imayhem.com>,
 Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>, 76300-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
Subject: Re: bug#76300: [PATCH] Add Spanish translation for refcard.tex
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2025 18:02:47 -0800

Version: 31.1

Elijah Gabe Pérez <eg642616 <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Thank you, Now I've updated the patches.

Thanks for the translations!

I've pushed your patches to master, and I'm therefore closing this bug
report.

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