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They seem to have discontinued their Usenet archive service in February 2024, according to Wikipedia.[1] I also get 404 and 400 for the provided URLs in `nnweb-type-definition`. I suggest that we either find and implement support for a replacement for Google Groups, or otherwise that we mark it as obsolete. Having clearly broken functionality around does not serve users. Footnotes: [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:38:07 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 13:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76196 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas , Andrew Cohen , Eric Abrahamsen Cc: 76196@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76196-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76196.17392794064148 (code B ref 76196); Tue, 11 Feb 2025 13:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 76196) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2025 13:10:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54975 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1thq1c-00014P-MH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:10:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58426) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1thq1Z-00013W-4B for 76196@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:10:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1thq1S-00073q-T9; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 08:09:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=khZaJ9bDK3pcKv4dD+CFyYsH7cS3M3lLVliSq+4vi6M=; b=JrjGUSMMJo8a bGneBEwujIFgLLxyLhYAhJNgXctDvYvNjppPqSpPnA/eKT0eaajeq+vo5No7DlfFYpHh2u8PbHXDy LE2qgUOPxEg7sUylLO9dDq1iTVXljwKd4jhfgv85ZBuP8kfhryQWsYLZX07oG+P9Kmmh6Fksiqt7M A0Gk02/DJb5zCJANQnPfoaLfBssHwrd2jkV7dR12rmty7uz+pjODX86u5m7tzn2UHJUlmpzQCgKxq vQvwd93C9eQcppAHSjXT8YCFLPgepRXmzjUuxjzZkQcczzYZosVnZWXRMXA0ciNcK55RB2Zlb1DmN JzFzCNY2zUm2AsgcLL581A==; Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 15:09:43 +0200 Message-Id: <864j10y6eg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:57:09 -0800) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:57:09 -0800 > > Severity: wishlist > > The nnweb backend for Gnus is currently of rather limited use: it only > supports Google Groups, which is defunct. They seem to have > discontinued their Usenet archive service in February 2024, according to > Wikipedia.[1] > > I also get 404 and 400 for the provided URLs in `nnweb-type-definition`. > > I suggest that we either find and implement support for a replacement > for Google Groups, or otherwise that we mark it as obsolete. Having > clearly broken functionality around does not serve users. > > Footnotes: > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Groups Let's at least include the Gnus developers in this discussion. 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Although the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas, continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather than obsoleting it. Best, Andy -- Andrew Cohen From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:38:07 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el Resent-From: James Thomas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 02:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76196 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andrew Cohen Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , Eli Zaretskii , 76196@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas Received: via spool by 76196-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76196.17403654513747 (code B ref 76196); Mon, 24 Feb 2025 02:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 76196) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2025 02:50:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37686 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tmOYV-0000yN-BY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 21:50:51 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:44605) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tmOYR-0000y5-0O for 76196@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Feb 2025 21:50:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.net; s=s31663417; t=1740365431; x=1740970231; i=jimjoe@gmx.net; bh=Hcom+mvNhDoRwjLRhi0PNBQSU6ASP5e5cYlMVeB2VRs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=J03rkSiWTc7leURcB81HTEGWRUbWTsmbFOuLXtJrtrkQKtm2Y1g4zFYz/ONFCDDj IJ7ePX8aPtO8wqkrYWHBzXzbnlLhSxVtwZsB3Vt/u3zXEqG63sHnFXdd9ztEHFS0P 8jsAkjdnfPrE+mATmfhR2sChCbwO+rll340QMzFWZdEOJ8xlxFD9YZxKbYG0kzQMP awd6MLxL8ln4btTO1f6vz7I2WOojActJk6Jljwv0I3c7TK52Fl6qKMJkZ0pmIvvLS m7+jyR+aZ4JIIhpI2CXZGaRpMr0t4wZPoIKpvxmXax1/Q9evjZV6Ab31jsY7WuVT4 Lo6esGdqwRQYQnhdyQ== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from vimala ([42.104.189.19]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.174]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MAwXh-1tb9Ch2D4D-0072YK; Mon, 24 Feb 2025 03:50:31 +0100 From: James Thomas In-Reply-To: <87zficjinb.fsf@ust.hk> (Andrew Cohen's message of "Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:22:48 +0800") References: <864j10y6eg.fsf@gnu.org> <87pljo5a69.fsf@ust.hk> <87zficjinb.fsf@ust.hk> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:20:22 +0530 Message-ID: <87seo49hu9.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:REUwgu65oWZNzX5DWXGJYBjKKqcAkm6cJlIc+1dK+r2g6Ay8YVo tXR7GoF7TBBl+wUaqZnhhg15WPQbv4sA0pHNdv6ceIBJa3xfdX3Ag5wI+FjDzQrb+LlIco2 t2/e0GXp7z++4Lx3ILBLC3sr862UdzQMmJm5+Pxg7bMWLeaqgbIZuJ+sdxqPHdTwMpf85yk 8gHrrKSv/QG6ACJFdKvhg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:kFNJjs/h3mU=;gUYZy9+eWFq8FFfRl8Xa9bJu2Qf UX1v8mkvSCDgXL7Gzpmmleu7zDC92ApIK7iJOiUqE9xi9JD8tlFXZlUDKyppExmgb1XG6Uc5d 1g5ScmJvg93GEJczNzXkZ3obSBmmkPh8Ocm6L/Gnru0c2igkFBzGGPEhHCx/gEMyBZ6IlLlQG Z92yAj0CxfXRGxnl4Mf5qncxNpDvwdHw3tdforFDB9zy6Y9SXrs4xpwsuedcGL4tEfrdo9xP/ qAyNBOWc8e1Ve6KBenMhFp/yOcJ1J76GYBcF/LX14AYfIAsG6qTKRQ9lEEOdy1SR+AYenwLhh UqVOYuWbhF3+BRQ7sf946c4Yi3udbZF1O2gsLGurD980DlDEszkXxEJY3seIh4Bni7lIigyKT waEMjM7o9Dht56XL4RD9f+5JYKMcqXKz7R9GGM422RC1BXeZhZEYEV1BdPeJVAB1ggGsD7OV1 xdYgOHvnu3n1fFwSQ9zlNQC2ipzb3tb7hSYSgUFAFYwVCIlwAqMzLrvtnlMSxeVEekXHpR1pP QGZZKT6oU8A8eKmcb6/1RySEjSqsK1AAMbiMkBPTSbUxUr3pjtcb9XKxBrWW9LUF8a9T0Pb4L OluQG1hDcd2YiazZGhbvGSHElOn0LgDX+SN1uZTnKiERjGEUNMIDuSlgfH3huXfe0tMyhC7sw P2YzbBAYJtOqYKvV4YmaT1K/kW98qYhLHcQiP9wv6Oms7ZerFT+m80++BQvomAR86/mC5sbBU 6EXI3NVx1FIVmKuKVU9oN2Fba4nznlZf1//uqeDSYZBQDUDZl1tAAUDXughAW5iMxvpGqAf9P U9LysNF4raJ+FZNILzDjn5PQWUqbVWXNmK09BpZkbtMl2lc5Z3LfXjnrbedXEKeHTiVAbBx1a WsbGj5N/T9ya8fsgTygvyhMmsU5SAe/ZIl/36CuICU2fJxLGBuQlHm8XQzA679pWMT392i5O2 6d/li+MjnOmLIYfWfUge+vTdNS3sRB11oDZE3V8OLazw4c5P0GyOILZ1wKJvChRFQK78Ir5fl 0Ew008yfEHiI7XoLfDxuaQxVQ9XnvQ+odjw9yigDt6h7EeFsBhoF5pOlT2mvPVOfC6N8LHQTC SmzU05FdbxClbBlQnWz/W6clEnZ6Z1dp4IV/3cBF36KK8yPhJlYs3oEOl+ZYgVtD7MC//HWhm JdBeYJR1+T6D4mtXhVEPdDVl9jd51Lb0iqNw0ilmRC33W5umB5uZZK36i5V7HEKLWd0lOUP9P IX3IJVLCsRsdb7GPGIBso2kK/PIwTHsU0zQFDBdzjfVmQUDSKEmOeMOOD0NymFrxgkW5NHIdU bTepMj3SHYwgQLvHtB0OaXzQsc3wMOpr8YiEDvut+TEIYnycsdx37KhxskRQfDB+9IXRefCDA +NAy9Q1tQlFgyMkFR/r7C6ZWDj8qypMEGaOBSJkkdi0Lc/atK6jqSpECSq X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Andrew Cohen writes: > I asked on emacs.gnus.general to see if anyone was using nnweb. Although > the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas, > continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use > help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied > here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather > than obsoleting it. Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing also included. 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Although >> the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas, >> continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use >> help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied >> here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather >> than obsoleting it. > > Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing > also included. > > (Thanks for linking to this bug) IDK if this is the right place for it, but here it is: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nnweb-update.diff Content-Description: Update nnweb for lists.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable diff --git a/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el b/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el index 57964f93437..942556db1b4 100644 =2D-- a/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el +++ b/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el @@ -40,36 +40,36 @@ (defvoo nnweb-directory (nnheader-concat gnus-directory "nnweb/") "Where nnweb will save its files.") -(defvoo nnweb-type 'google +(defvoo nnweb-type 'emacs-help "What search engine type is being used. -Valid types include `google' and `dejanews'.") +Valid types include `emacs-help' and `dejanews'.") (defvar nnweb-type-definition - '((google - (id . "https://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=3D%s&hl=3Den&dmode=3D= source") - (result . "https://groups.google.com/group/%s/msg/%s?dmode=3Dsource"= ) - (article . nnweb-google-wash-article) - (reference . identity) - (map . nnweb-google-create-mapping) - (search . nnweb-google-search) - (address . "https://groups.google.com/groups") - (base . "https://groups.google.com") - (identifier . nnweb-google-identity)) + '((emacs-help + (id . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=3Dhe= lp-gnu-emacs&sort=3Dscore&result=3Dnormal&max=3D20&submit=3DSearch!&query= =3D%%2Bmessage-id%%3A%%3C%s%%3E") + (result . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/%s/%s.html") + (article . nnweb-gnu-wash-article) + (reference . nnweb-gnu-reference) + (map . nnweb-gnu-create-mapping) + (search . nnweb-gnu-search) + (address . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi") + (base . "https://lists.gnu.org") + (identifier . nnweb-gnu-identity)) ;; FIXME: Make obsolete? (dejanews ;; alias of google (id . "https://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=3D%s&hl=3Den&dmode=3D= source") (result . "https://groups.google.com/group/%s/msg/%s?dmode=3Dsource"= ) - (article . nnweb-google-wash-article) + (article . nnweb-gnu-wash-article) (reference . identity) - (map . nnweb-google-create-mapping) - (search . nnweb-google-search) + (map . nnweb-gnu-create-mapping) + (search . nnweb-gnu-search) (address . "https://groups.google.com/groups") (base . "https://groups.google.com") - (identifier . nnweb-google-identity))) + (identifier . nnweb-gnu-identity))) "Type-definition alist.") (defvoo nnweb-search nil - "Search string to feed to Google.") + "Search string to feed.") (defvoo nnweb-max-hits 999 "Maximum number of hits to display.") @@ -281,41 +281,30 @@ nnweb-init (current-buffer))))) ;;; -;;; groups.google.com +;;; lists.gnu.org ;;; -(defun nnweb-google-wash-article () - ;; We have Google's masked e-mail addresses here. :-/ - (let ((case-fold-search t) - (start-re "
[\r\n ]*")
-	(end-re "[\r\n ]*
")) +(defun nnweb-gnu-wash-article () + (let ((case-fold-search t) headers) (goto-char (point-min)) - (if (save-excursion - (or (re-search-forward "The requested message.*could not be found." - nil t) - (not (and (re-search-forward start-re nil t) - (re-search-forward end-re nil t))))) - ;; FIXME: Don't know how to indicate "not found". - ;; Should this function throw an error? --rsteib - (progn - (gnus-message 3 "Requested article not found") - (erase-buffer)) - (delete-region (point-min) - (re-search-forward start-re)) + (with-restriction (point-min) (search-forward "" nil t) + (setq headers (concat headers (match-string 1) "\n"))) + (delete-region (point-min) (point-max)) + (insert headers)) + (goto-char (point-max)) + (delete-region (search-backward "" nil t)= (point-max)) + (mm-url-remove-markup) + (mm-url-decode-entities))) + +(defun nnweb-gnu-parse-1 (&optional Message-ID) "Parse search result in current buffer." (let ((i 0) (case-fold-search t) (active (cadr (assoc nnweb-group nnweb-group-alist))) Subject Date Newsgroups From - map url mid) + map url mid link) (unless active (push (list nnweb-group (setq active (cons 1 0))) nnweb-group-alist)) @@ -323,39 +312,34 @@ nnweb-google-parse-1 (goto-char (point-min)) (while (re-search-forward - "a +href=3D\"/group/\\([^>\"]+\\)/browse_thread/[^>]+#\\([0-9a-f]+\\)" + "" nil t) - (setq Newsgroups (match-string-no-properties 1) - ;; Note: Starting with Google Groups 2, `mid' is a Google-internal - ;; ID, not a proper Message-ID. + (setq link (match-string-no-properties 0) + Newsgroups (match-string-no-properties 1) + ;; `mid' is not a proper Message-ID. mid (match-string-no-properties 2) url (format (nnweb-definition 'result) Newsgroups mid)) - (narrow-to-region (search-forward ">" nil t) + (narrow-to-region (point) (search-forward "" nil t)) (mm-url-remove-markup) (mm-url-decode-entities) + (replace-string "\n" "") (setq Subject (buffer-string)) (goto-char (point-max)) (widen) (narrow-to-region (point) - (search-forward "]+href=3D\"\n?\\([^>\" \n\t]+\\)[^<]*]+src=3D[^>]+next= " + (format "]+&whence=3D%s\\)\"" (+ more 20)) nil t)) (>=3D i nnweb-max-hits)) (setq more nil) ;; Yup, there are more articles - (setq more (concat (nnweb-definition 'base) (match-string 1))) + (setq more (+ more 20) + link (mm-url-decode-entities-string (match-string 1))= ) (when more (erase-buffer) - (nnheader-message 7 "Searching google...(%d)" i) - (mm-url-insert more)))) + (nnheader-message 7 "Searching...(%d)" i) + (mm-url-insert (concat (nnweb-definition 'base) link))))) ;; Return the articles in the right order. - (nnheader-message 7 "Searching google...done") + (nnheader-message 7 "Searching...done") (setq nnweb-articles (sort nnweb-articles #'car-less-than-car)))))) -(defun nnweb-google-search (search) +(defun nnweb-gnu-search (search) (mm-url-insert (concat (nnweb-definition 'address) "?" (mm-url-encode-www-form-urlencoded - `(("q" . ,search) - ("num" . ,(number-to-string - (min 100 nnweb-max-hits))) - ("hq" . "") - ("hl" . "en") - ("lr" . "") - ("safe" . "off") - ("sites" . "groups") - ("filter" . "0"))))) + `(("idxname" . "help-gnu-emacs") + ("sort" . "score") + ("result" . "normal") + ("max" . ,(number-to-string + (min 20 nnweb-max-hits))) + ("submit" . "Search!") + ("query" . ,search))))) t) -(defun nnweb-google-identity (url) +(defun nnweb-gnu-identity (url) "Return a unique identifier based on URL." - (if (string-match "selm=3D\\([^ &>]+\\)" url) + (if (string-match "archive/html/\\(.*\\)\\.html" url) (match-string 1 url) url)) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain The help-gnu-emacs is only illustrative: may be replaced with the name of any of the GNU mailing lists. May be tested by: G w emacs-help RET RET Further work could involve gnus-summary-refer-thread working with a new 'gnus-search-web' for the related messages of a search result. Also, with customization, as a search and gnus-refer-article-method for users of public-inbox (public-inbox.org). 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Although >>> the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas, >>> continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use >>> help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied >>> here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather >>> than obsoleting it. >> >> Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing >> also included. >> >> (Thanks for linking to this bug) > > IDK if this is the right place for it, but here it is: > > > > The help-gnu-emacs is only illustrative: may be replaced with the name > of any of the GNU mailing lists. May be tested by: > G w emacs-help RET RET > > Further work could involve gnus-summary-refer-thread working with a new > 'gnus-search-web' for the related messages of a search result. Also, > with customization, as a search and gnus-refer-article-method for users > of public-inbox (public-inbox.org). Here's an updated version: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Update-nnweb-for-searching-Emacs's-lists'-archives.patch Content-Description: [PATCH] Update nnweb for searching Emacs's lists' archives Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rom 769eb784e7750047daf92918f1b03d1ed25ac8df Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: James Thomas Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2025 12:30:32 +0530 Subject: [PATCH] Update nnweb for searching Emacs's lists' archives Remove the existing 'google' type and replace it with 'gnu', to search the GNU mailing lists. * lisp/gnus/nnweb.el (nnweb-type): (nnweb-type-definition): (nnweb-search): (nnweb-google-wash-article): (nnweb-gnu-wash-article): (nnweb-google-parse-1): (nnweb-google-reference): (nnweb-gnu-reference): (nnweb-google-create-mapping): (nnweb-gnu-create-mapping): (nnweb-google-search): (nnweb-gnu-search): (nnweb-google-identity): (nnweb-gnu-identity): Make the changes. * doc/misc/gnus.texi (Foreign Groups): (Web Searches): Update doc. =2D-- doc/misc/gnus.texi | 10 ++- lisp/gnus/nnweb.el | 165 +++++++++++++++++++++------------------------ 2 files changed, 82 insertions(+), 93 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/misc/gnus.texi b/doc/misc/gnus.texi index 1eace0d5b5a..c55d73ae14a 100644 =2D-- a/doc/misc/gnus.texi +++ b/doc/misc/gnus.texi @@ -2802,12 +2802,11 @@ Foreign Groups (@code{gnus-group-make-web-group}). If you give a prefix to this command, make a solid group instead. You will be prompted for the search engine type and the search string. Valid search engine types -include @code{google} and @code{dejanews}. +include @code{help-gnu-emacs} and @code{emacs-devel}. @xref{Web Searches}. =20 -If you use the @code{google} search engine, you can limit the search -to a particular group by using a match string like -@samp{shaving group:alt.sysadmin.recovery}. +The query syntax is described at +@url{https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=3Dhelp-gnu-= emacs}. =20 @item G R @kindex G R @r{(Group)} @@ -17332,8 +17331,7 @@ Web Searches @item nnweb-type @vindex nnweb-type What search engine type is being used. The currently supported types -are @code{google} and @code{dejanews}. Note that -@code{dejanews} is an alias to @code{google}. +are @code{help-gnu-emacs} and @code{emacs-devel}. =20 @item nnweb-search @vindex nnweb-search diff --git a/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el b/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el index 9ada2dbc1d7..87c34876c7c 100644 =2D-- a/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el +++ b/lisp/gnus/nnweb.el @@ -40,36 +40,45 @@ (defvoo nnweb-directory (nnheader-concat gnus-directory "nnweb/") "Where nnweb will save its files.") =20 -(defvoo nnweb-type 'google - "What search engine type is being used. -The only valid type is currently `google'.") +(defvoo nnweb-type 'help-gnu-emacs + "What search engine type is being used. ") =20 (defvar nnweb-type-definition - '((google - (id . "https://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=3D%s&hl=3Den&dmode=3D= source") - (result . "https://groups.google.com/group/%s/msg/%s?dmode=3Dsource"= ) - (article . nnweb-google-wash-article) - (reference . identity) - (map . nnweb-google-create-mapping) - (search . nnweb-google-search) - (address . "https://groups.google.com/groups") - (base . "https://groups.google.com") - (identifier . nnweb-google-identity)) + '((emacs-devel + (id . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=3Dem= acs-devel&sort=3Dscore&result=3Dnormal&max=3D20&submit=3DSearch!&query=3D%= %2Bmessage-id%%3A%%3C%s%%3E") + (result . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/%s/%s.html") + (article . nnweb-gnu-wash-article) + (reference . nnweb-gnu-reference) + (map . nnweb-gnu-create-mapping) + (search . nnweb-gnu-search) + (address . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi") + (base . "https://lists.gnu.org") + (identifier . nnweb-gnu-identity)) + (help-gnu-emacs + (id . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi?idxname=3Dhe= lp-gnu-emacs&sort=3Dscore&result=3Dnormal&max=3D20&submit=3DSearch!&query= =3D%%2Bmessage-id%%3A%%3C%s%%3E") + (result . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/%s/%s.html") + (article . nnweb-gnu-wash-article) + (reference . nnweb-gnu-reference) + (map . nnweb-gnu-create-mapping) + (search . nnweb-gnu-search) + (address . "https://lists.gnu.org/archive/cgi-bin/namazu.cgi") + (base . "https://lists.gnu.org") + (identifier . nnweb-gnu-identity)) ;; FIXME: Make obsolete? (dejanews ;; alias of google (id . "https://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=3D%s&hl=3Den&dmode=3D= source") (result . "https://groups.google.com/group/%s/msg/%s?dmode=3Dsource"= ) - (article . nnweb-google-wash-article) + (article . nnweb-gnu-wash-article) (reference . identity) - (map . nnweb-google-create-mapping) - (search . nnweb-google-search) + (map . nnweb-gnu-create-mapping) + (search . nnweb-gnu-search) (address . "https://groups.google.com/groups") (base . "https://groups.google.com") - (identifier . nnweb-google-identity))) + (identifier . nnweb-gnu-identity))) "Type-definition alist.") =20 (defvoo nnweb-search nil - "Search string to feed to Google.") + "Search string to feed.") =20 (defvoo nnweb-max-hits 999 "Maximum number of hits to display.") @@ -281,41 +290,30 @@ nnweb-init (current-buffer))))) =20 ;;; -;;; groups.google.com +;;; lists.gnu.org ;;; =20 -(defun nnweb-google-wash-article () - ;; We have Google's masked e-mail addresses here. :-/ - (let ((case-fold-search t) - (start-re "
[\r\n ]*")
-	(end-re "[\r\n ]*
")) +(defun nnweb-gnu-wash-article () + (let ((case-fold-search t) headers) (goto-char (point-min)) - (if (save-excursion - (or (re-search-forward "The requested message.*could not be found." - nil t) - (not (and (re-search-forward start-re nil t) - (re-search-forward end-re nil t))))) - ;; FIXME: Don't know how to indicate "not found". - ;; Should this function throw an error? --rsteib - (progn - (gnus-message 3 "Requested article not found") - (erase-buffer)) - (delete-region (point-min) - (re-search-forward start-re)) + (with-restriction (point-min) (search-forward "" nil t) + (setq headers (concat headers (match-string 1) "\n"))) + (delete-region (point-min) (point-max)) + (insert headers)) + (goto-char (point-max)) + (delete-region (search-backward "" nil t)= (point-max)) + (mm-url-remove-markup) + (mm-url-decode-entities))) + +(defun nnweb-gnu-parse-1 (&optional Message-ID) "Parse search result in current buffer." (let ((i 0) (case-fold-search t) (active (cadr (assoc nnweb-group nnweb-group-alist))) Subject Date Newsgroups From - map url mid) + map url mid link) (unless active (push (list nnweb-group (setq active (cons 1 0))) nnweb-group-alist)) @@ -323,39 +321,34 @@ nnweb-google-parse-1 (goto-char (point-min)) (while (re-search-forward - "a +href=3D\"/group/\\([^>\"]+\\)/browse_thread/[^>]+#\\([0-9a-f]+\\)" + "" nil t) - (setq Newsgroups (match-string-no-properties 1) - ;; Note: Starting with Google Groups 2, `mid' is a Google-internal - ;; ID, not a proper Message-ID. + (setq link (match-string-no-properties 0) + Newsgroups (match-string-no-properties 1) + ;; `mid' is not a proper Message-ID. mid (match-string-no-properties 2) url (format (nnweb-definition 'result) Newsgroups mid)) - (narrow-to-region (search-forward ">" nil t) + (narrow-to-region (point) (search-forward "" nil t)) (mm-url-remove-markup) (mm-url-decode-entities) + (replace-string-in-region "\n" "") (setq Subject (buffer-string)) (goto-char (point-max)) (widen) (narrow-to-region (point) - (search-forward "]+href=3D\"\n?\\([^>\" \n\t]+\\)[^<]*]+src=3D[^>]+next= " + (format "]+&whence=3D%s\\)\"" (+ more 20)) nil t)) (>=3D i nnweb-max-hits)) (setq more nil) ;; Yup, there are more articles - (setq more (concat (nnweb-definition 'base) (match-string 1))) + (setq more (+ more 20) + link (mm-url-decode-entities-string (match-string 1))= ) (when more (erase-buffer) - (nnheader-message 7 "Searching google...(%d)" i) - (mm-url-insert more)))) + (nnheader-message 7 "Searching...(%d)" i) + (mm-url-insert (concat (nnweb-definition 'base) link))))) ;; Return the articles in the right order. - (nnheader-message 7 "Searching google...done") + (nnheader-message 7 "Searching...done") (setq nnweb-articles (sort nnweb-articles #'car-less-than-car)))))) =20 -(defun nnweb-google-search (search) +(defun nnweb-gnu-search (search) (mm-url-insert (concat (nnweb-definition 'address) "?" (mm-url-encode-www-form-urlencoded - `(("q" . ,search) - ("num" . ,(number-to-string - (min 100 nnweb-max-hits))) - ("hq" . "") - ("hl" . "en") - ("lr" . "") - ("safe" . "off") - ("sites" . "groups") - ("filter" . "0"))))) + `(("idxname" . ,(symbol-name nnweb-type)) + ("sort" . "score") + ("result" . "normal") + ("max" . ,(number-to-string + (min 20 nnweb-max-hits))) + ("submit" . "Search!") + ("query" . ,search))))) t) =20 -(defun nnweb-google-identity (url) +(defun nnweb-gnu-identity (url) "Return a unique identifier based on URL." - (if (string-match "selm=3D\\([^ &>]+\\)" url) + (if (string-match "archive/html/\\(.*\\)\\.html" url) (match-string 1 url) url)) =20 =2D-=20 2.49.0 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I hope to add thread-referral later. Regards, James --=-=-=-- From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:38:07 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#76196: Obsoleting gnus/nnweb.el Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 13:32:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76196 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: James Thomas Cc: acohen@ust.hk, bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de, 76196@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 76196-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76196.17499078831711 (code B ref 76196); Sat, 14 Jun 2025 13:32:03 +0000 Received: (at 76196) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jun 2025 13:31:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37531 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uQQye-0000RE-Tu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2025 09:31:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55318) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1uQQyc-0000QQ-OI for 76196@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2025 09:31:19 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1uQQyW-0001y1-75; Sat, 14 Jun 2025 09:31:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=h9l0rJFaaz2+aVks8yBzjMmiWAgHQW45Q5UyAs+bk3Y=; b=hwxpwmludXyjLog7jqFL /gN+K6wBPASAcfWYImdKt5oifVWW+sW6y0F9J0QmzMGsf68Qe2kA5GRmQFCKaRn2haOz/7unLWG7r pE4LvOXuqjLJbHINv+gYqk1N/TUDvtmZO/b1Zf0S89kGuN/IeELtEoaWYh3PkFdG9g4ZKZuK2Hlek xySwSo55sPLi2SBrjJBRChdQiIAu3OFyTBlNA1L1fc0wuhhg76r3zf4M7LuK+GPUi5B2yjbgmy+NR x1JLnPbmBpCKeFPprbsd7PFhKAWlHRxSMTIQQKGV4NQ6TkIccFA9HyakUTWaVNhC0ActTUTu1IgtR /yTfIYDyCKpNGQ==; Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 16:31:10 +0300 Message-Id: <86bjqqsb4x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87ldqapom5.fsf@gmx.net> (message from James Thomas on Mon, 02 Jun 2025 13:22:02 +0530) References: <864j10y6eg.fsf@gnu.org> <87pljo5a69.fsf@ust.hk> <87zficjinb.fsf@ust.hk> <87seo49hu9.fsf@gmx.net> <87jz9fu50q.fsf@gmx.net> <87ldqapom5.fsf@gmx.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Ping! Andrew, any further comments? > From: James Thomas > Cc: Andrew Cohen , Stefan Kangas , > Eli Zaretskii , Björn Bidar > > Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 13:22:02 +0530 > > James Thomas writes: > > > James Thomas writes: > > > >> Andrew Cohen writes: > >> > >>> I asked on emacs.gnus.general to see if anyone was using nnweb. Although > >>> the number of responses was small, at least one person, James Thomas, > >>> continues to use it. He has, for example, updated the defaults to use > >>> help-gnu-emacs. This looks potentially useful, and if James (copied > >>> here) is willing to work on this I would suggest fixing nnweb rather > >>> than obsoleting it. > >> > >> Please hold on; I'll send in an updated patch, with the article washing > >> also included. > >> > >> (Thanks for linking to this bug) > > > > IDK if this is the right place for it, but here it is: > > > > > > > > The help-gnu-emacs is only illustrative: may be replaced with the name > > of any of the GNU mailing lists. May be tested by: > > G w emacs-help RET RET > > > > Further work could involve gnus-summary-refer-thread working with a new > > 'gnus-search-web' for the related messages of a search result. Also, > > with customization, as a search and gnus-refer-article-method for users > > of public-inbox (public-inbox.org). > > Here's an updated version: > > I hope to add thread-referral later.