From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:56:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#76119] [PATCH] doc: contributing.texi: document yhetil.org web service. Resent-From: Cayetano Santos Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2025 11:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 76119 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 76119@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Cayetano Santos X-Debbugs-Original-To: guix-patches@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.173892737132524 (code B ref -1); Fri, 07 Feb 2025 11:23:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Feb 2025 11:22:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33103 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tgMRf-0008SW-4J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 06:22:51 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:59390) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tgMRb-0008SD-BS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 06:22:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tgMRU-0000JE-2x for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 06:22:40 -0500 Received: from latitanza.investici.org ([2001:888:2000:56::19]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tgMRR-0000KA-R1 for guix-patches@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Feb 2025 06:22:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inventati.org; s=stigmate; t=1738927344; bh=rxxC6SoOE7G8rKHCNEpaeqlBS/Lfw9rr4SD7mGlWUV0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=O1hbOntZwwuXYYfqlgrLdxcgQXVYIjoAwv0+fDjdDUbaKlph/1mXokZdbd5e01n8d iqLLQER0fnidaXzZ7BZo9f8zScg+rytoAaC+3RxtwrexNFJw3KvqnuFps5lvcda1X1 M195ZOweCuh9dtkqybfn7ejNnLH0BWedNJYPMD0s= Received: from mx3.investici.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by latitanza.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YqBQS1qwvzGp3x; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 11:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.94.249.234] (mx3.investici.org [82.94.249.234]) (Authenticated sender: cayetano.santos@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4YqBQS0vDTzGp3p; Fri, 7 Feb 2025 11:22:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Cayetano Santos Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2025 12:21:34 +0100 Message-ID: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.48.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:888:2000:56::19; envelope-from=csantosb@inventati.org; helo=latitanza.investici.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Change-Id: I1a6a7283c9b25864447e0b0e396b72471db7ce74 Signed-off-by: Cayetano Santos --- doc/contributing.texi | 23 +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 23 insertions(+) diff --git a/doc/contributing.texi b/doc/contributing.texi index c94ae940fa..2777f2279e 100644 --- a/doc/contributing.texi +++ b/doc/contributing.texi @@ -700,6 +700,29 @@ For more information, refer to @ref{Bug Reference,,, emacs, The GNU Emacs Manual} and @ref{Minor Mode,,, debbugs-ug, The Debbugs User Guide}. +@node Tracking bugs and issues with public-inbox +@subsection Tracking bugs and issues with public-inbox + +Contributing to Guix is strongly based on an email based workflow, as +patches and bugs are sent by email to its corresponding +maillists. Reviewers reply to emails, and an exchange thread follows +until a consensus is reached, and the contribution is accepted or +rejected. With time, this implies a deluge of emails on inboxes, which +difficults collaboration of communities. + +As an alternative, the yhetil.org @url{https://yhetil.org} service, +using Public Inbox @url{https://public-inbox.org/README.html}, provides +an online, always available archive with the complete history of a +maillist. It exposes a public, URL oriented fronted based on Message-ID +identifiers to classify email exchanges. It offers full thread overview, +atom feeds, reply links and thread download in mbox format for local +maniputation. + +The yhetil.org service also includes advanced searching capabilities, +which combined with mumi hints +@url{https://issues.guix.gnu.org/help#search} to track status, tags, +Message ID, etc., provides a powerful tool to contribute to Guix. + @node Alternative Setups @section Alternative Setups base-commit: 52c05f3b120e641c8bd2d68cfcf0d6af947de27b -- 2.48.1 From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:56:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#76119] [PATCH] doc: contributing.texi: document yhetil.org web service. Resent-From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76119 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Cayetano Santos Cc: 76119@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 76119-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76119.173935373412782 (code B ref 76119); Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 76119) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2025 09:48:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60963 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ti9MT-0003K6-Pw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 04:48:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ti9MP-0003Jp-IC for 76119@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 04:48:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ti9MI-00061R-5S; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 04:48:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:To: From; bh=4o3SaFAtLVczln+rwe89PW3SitWm+TdMqtukg+ZecGA=; b=RJmwTeCaRZaoFmDxOvL8 CT0mh3FqqVip66cc71/Pr8/CNLEn6eZv98CMac2VfkFg2Lj5F8fNRfR20n+UDE27kliNARDxBd0wd jVCqteGu2JcOiYgBQQzpIUzY/mRDaztMrKHk8gYM5QiPzysoi4ynPwugIFKCSHEFbb1itVqUKhDv6 7nOXwaEYsp3a55KvHQY+KBbzJ80WzQgRJPpW/BhPKeikJ26nYX0Ynph6OLRAUagMUs/tK7T3Rey3h HFZPRYNGcqt70UR4uSBAIEXNq6PlHcQcvQLlAceYLz9ri7bCd91hKUlZEamllEEF4vmg8spZDtfr6 qUAzWv6Lx5XLcw==; From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= In-Reply-To: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> (Cayetano Santos's message of "Fri, 7 Feb 2025 12:21:34 +0100") References: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:48:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87seoj7atl.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, Cayetano Santos skribis: > +@node Tracking bugs and issues with public-inbox > +@subsection Tracking bugs and issues with public-inbox How about =E2=80=9CNavigating Email with public-inbox=E2=80=9D? Please als= o update the menu above. > +Contributing to Guix is strongly based on an email based workflow, as > +patches and bugs are sent by email to its corresponding > +maillists. Reviewers reply to emails, and an exchange thread follows I=E2=80=99d drop the second sentence and change the first one to something = like: =E2=80=9CContributing to Guix involves a lot of communication by email on p= ublic mailing lists.=E2=80=9D I think it=E2=80=99s enough. > +As an alternative, the yhetil.org @url{https://yhetil.org} service, > +using Public Inbox @url{https://public-inbox.org/README.html}, provides s/Public Inbox/public-inbox/ (apparently that=E2=80=99s how they spell it) Also: @uref{https://public-inbox.org/README.html, public-inbox} rather than a separate @url. Could you send an updated patch? Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:56:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#76119] [PATCH v1] doc: contributing.texi: document yhetil.org web service. References: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> In-Reply-To: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> Resent-From: Cayetano Santos Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76119 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 76119@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Cayetano Santos Received: via spool by 76119-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B76119.173935545230007 (code B ref 76119); Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 76119) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2025 10:17:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32828 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ti9oB-0007nu-P0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 05:17:32 -0500 Received: from latitanza.investici.org ([2001:888:2000:56::19]:31351) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ti9o8-0007ni-K9 for 76119@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 05:17:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inventati.org; s=stigmate; t=1739355446; bh=CCK6LYEYk4XBKUYubZnvv79fBpdBnwrn/9bPb3GjDtM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=anx3i3tCF6a3dvZvVhVyKAZGrjam5cuwxCrTytu3+DNaeI+5F6Cf5UfNTR68GpmHq 92JXgINSMddF71x8DGzhHznAMxVcugyclMp3BnukMuWKitho5agYzh5YkvzRCii/iI TRqTGvHrOgG3HEa6VogSD9BGXtLprjzwJCq2ow40= Received: from mx3.investici.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by latitanza.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YtDlB51sKzGp4P; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.94.249.234] (mx3.investici.org [82.94.249.234]) (Authenticated sender: cayetano.santos@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4YtDlB434rzGp4F; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:17:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Cayetano Santos Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:16:59 +0100 Message-ID: <425b2e75b48aafd69aceea87c17dd5e55e619552.1739355419.git.csantosb@inventati.org> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.48.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Change-Id: I1a6a7283c9b25864447e0b0e396b72471db7ce74 --- doc/contributing.texi | 22 ++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 22 insertions(+) diff --git a/doc/contributing.texi b/doc/contributing.texi index c94ae940fa..4cf6148f3d 100644 --- a/doc/contributing.texi +++ b/doc/contributing.texi @@ -700,6 +700,28 @@ For more information, refer to @ref{Bug Reference,,, emacs, The GNU Emacs Manual} and @ref{Minor Mode,,, debbugs-ug, The Debbugs User Guide}. +@node Navigating Email with public-inbox +@subsection Navigating Email with public-inbox + +Contributing to Guix involves a lot of communication by email on public +mailing lists. Reviewers reply to emails, and an exchange thread follows +until a consensus is reached, and the contribution is accepted or +rejected. With time, this implies a deluge of emails on inboxes, which +difficults collaboration of communities. + +As an alternative, the yhetil.org @url{https://yhetil.org} service, +using public-inbox @uref{https://public-inbox.org/README.html, +public-inbox}, provides an online, always available archive with the +complete history of a maillist. It exposes a public, URL oriented +fronted based on Message-ID identifiers to classify email exchanges. It +offers full thread overview, atom feeds, reply links and thread download +in mbox format for local maniputation. + +The yhetil.org service also includes advanced searching capabilities, +which combined with mumi hints +@url{https://issues.guix.gnu.org/help#search} to track status, tags, +Message ID, etc., provides a powerful tool to contribute to Guix. + @node Alternative Setups @section Alternative Setups base-commit: d59a13b6401e7494d8d5c9c9f66df3318451be79 -- 2.48.1 From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:56:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#76119] [PATCH] doc: contributing.texi: document yhetil.org web service. 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[14.139.162.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d2e1a72fcca58-730862e72a4sm6209624b3a.103.2025.02.12.02.42.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 12 Feb 2025 02:42:54 -0800 (PST) From: 45mg <45mg.writes@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> References: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:43:00 +0000 Message-ID: <87bjv7h2a3.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::641; envelope-from=45mg.writes@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x641.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Hi Cayetano, Thanks for taking this up. I just wanted to raise a question - what do we know about yhetil.org? For example, do we know who maintains it? Are they committed to maintaining it in the long term, or is this just a personal convenience project that could disappear any moment? I've used yhetil.org for a long time, but I still don't know these things. I can't find any contact information on the home page, either. Without that knowledge, it just feels a little odd for the Guix project to officially trust and recommend the use of this particular online service. Like, imagine if the manual had a list of email providers that play nice with GNU mailing lists. Sure, it would be useful information, but it would also be seen as an endorsement of those providers; so we'd want to look into their records on data privacy, etc first. Obviously that level of concern is not warranted here since yhetil.org is just a public-inbox archive; but I still think it would be good to find out a bit more about that site. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:56:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#76119] [PATCH] doc: contributing.texi: document yhetil.org web service. Resent-From: Cayetano Santos Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: guix-patches@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 76119 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix-patches X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 45mg <45mg.writes@gmail.com> Cc: ludo@gnu.org, 76119@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Cc: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= , 76119@debbugs.gnu.org, Cayetano Santos via Guix-patches via Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.17393586437572 (code B ref -1); Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:11:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2025 11:10:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32908 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tiAdf-0001y3-De for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 06:10:43 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:47544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tiAda-0001xk-RA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 06:10:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tiAdV-00043C-0i for guix-patches@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 06:10:33 -0500 Received: from latitanza.investici.org ([82.94.249.234]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tiAdQ-0001bJ-42; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 06:10:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inventati.org; s=stigmate; t=1739358622; bh=/dGSEhs8Nr4At2O8JZ79OoHQ46ARX1XYPuBBbDViJfU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=hlwrZnEZGp+LnEcQ84xkqqcop249HmCavFJSSx9Se83UypPjTCNoDh+f9qfc7mjPL 4ipr8QaKUwcYLJXWPFdl4RjbhQYODu1jDr7bnSp+fbaXprjygkDDXsMFto0Z57GlCX C2zvHNeAgz/mYWizf2/i/iWDSxXm5tL2PY9DdAR4= Received: from mx3.investici.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by latitanza.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YtFwG6JcbzGp4S; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.94.249.234] (mx3.investici.org [82.94.249.234]) (Authenticated sender: cayetano.santos@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4YtFwG4n66zGp0Q; Wed, 12 Feb 2025 11:10:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Cayetano Santos In-Reply-To: <87bjv7h2a3.fsf@gmail.com> (45mg.writes@gmail.com's message of "Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:43:00 +0000") References: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> <87bjv7h2a3.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: mu4e 1.12.8; emacs 29.4 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 12:10:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87bjv7a06a.fsf@inventati.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=82.94.249.234; envelope-from=csantosb@inventati.org; helo=latitanza.investici.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >mer. 12 f=C3=A9vr. 2025 at 10:43, 45mg <45mg.writes@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Cayetano, > > Thanks for taking this up. > > I just wanted to raise a question - what do we know about yhetil.org? > For example, do we know who maintains it? Are they committed to > maintaining it in the long term, or is this just a personal convenience > project that could disappear any moment? > > I've used yhetil.org for a long time, but I still don't know these > things. I can't find any contact information on the home page, either. > > Without that knowledge, it just feels a little odd for the Guix project > to officially trust and recommend the use of this particular online > service. > > Like, imagine if the manual had a list of email providers that play nice > with GNU mailing lists. Sure, it would be useful information, but it > would also be seen as an endorsement of those providers; so we'd want to > look into their records on data privacy, etc first. > > Obviously that level of concern is not warranted here since yhetil.org > is just a public-inbox archive; but I still think it would be good to > find out a bit more about that site. I have to say that I fully agree with you. Yhetil is one of the most useful guix services from my perspective, but foreign to the organisation, which is a risk. Kind of good to know, but no guarantees whatsoever. Let=E2=80=99s put this in stand-by. In the meantime, let=E2=80=99s try to k= now a bit more about this yhetil ownership. Thanks for your remarks, =2D- Cayetano Santos . gpg: CCB8 1842 F9D7 058E CD67 377A BF5C DF4D F6BF 6682 key: meta.sr.ht/~csantosb.pgp --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EARYKADUWIQTMuBhC+dcFjs1nN3q/XN9N9r9mggUCZ6yBnRccY3NhbnRvc2JA aW52ZW50YXRpLm9yZwAKCRC/XN9N9r9mgoLlAQCpS1fIt61Wd8nWSWdDdl9ThYVh /3sG5mu48NSNc0tJSwEAsnNXFyWXAKP+Wa5NbXvvhBKQygNCve+WTAz1reWRnQg= =HHmq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:56:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#76119] [PATCH] doc: contributing.texi: document yhetil.org web service. 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Additionally, the remarks Kyle states in its previous email about cloning and mirroring seem fair to me. -- Cayetano Santos . gpg: CCB8 1842 F9D7 058E CD67 377A BF5C DF4D F6BF 6682 key: meta.sr.ht/~csantosb.pgp --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EARYKADUWIQTMuBhC+dcFjs1nN3q/XN9N9r9mggUCZ7b/ERccY3NhbnRvc2JA aW52ZW50YXRpLm9yZwAKCRC/XN9N9r9mglKTAQDELFBqkWsknq7/Oe1RPzszjkeJ KYnNQsBZmQMC9cNqYQEAqDfm8s/nqkF6we8rqAdRwKr/pnKyOjMhvdEmZVT2lAo= =q3cw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:56:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: [bug#76119] [PATCH] doc: contributing.texi: document yhetil.org web service. 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[194.254.61.46]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-4395a1aa7c7sm250985565e9.27.2025.02.20.09.25.28 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 20 Feb 2025 09:25:29 -0800 (PST) From: Simon Tournier In-Reply-To: <87bjv7h2a3.fsf@gmail.com> References: <696290e50fcc308f606a59fc3c5b031e664aee44.1738927294.git.csantosb@inventati.org> <87bjv7h2a3.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 15:29:08 +0100 Message-ID: <87a5agell7.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 at 10:43, 45mg <45mg.writes@gmail.com> wrote: > I just wanted to raise a question - what do we know about yhetil.org? > For example, do we know who maintains it? Are they committed to > maintaining it in the long term, or is this just a personal convenience > project that could disappear any moment? Well, Kyle is around since years. :-) We discussed many times to host such public-inbox instance under some Guix umbrella. But hey Guix sysadmins have enough on their plates. Maybe someone will take the ball rolling=E2=80=A6 :-) Cheers, simon PS: Once you have Emacs-Notmuch, public-inbox and b4, it=E2=80=99s the perf= ect setup, much better than any forge. ;-) =20=20=20=20