From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:07:10 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#75553 <75553@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#75553 <75553@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity Reply-To: bug#75553 <75553@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 11:07:10 +0000 retitle 75553 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity reassign 75553 emacs submitter 75553 Johann H=C3=B6chtl severity 75553 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 14 02:14:34 2025 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 07:14:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXb8D-0008JT-VM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:14:34 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:54048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXb89-0008J5-IF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:14:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tXb82-0003ye-Tb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:14:22 -0500 Received: from mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tXb80-0001I8-ML for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:14:22 -0500 Received: by mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e460717039fso7175735276.0 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2025 23:14:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1736838859; x=1737443659; darn=gnu.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sUTfRTg6Rc+eef/gwtWzeJzxfqRZvoS8O7zL6L0wE8s=; b=HKSo9bpsAeDeaNitgdIxtbkcARcbo9nuFFdFZga4H8xFeZFh8KI7p83kO1KOqVXM+U KDU0h6e3uHinOHAeCsgYERNk9Qzp2QH5r3an3izpOAsTYsEiP0egpXlgOHSwNJRbARDB V1RTVTUoQ29DdQswIlr0HN24j70GNWJeI8ZC9ytxGgW9yfOhinHUKMtWgVqgH3j6UQ3u Wi892elI8888xgA3oII1wUTSgvtpj6ZGtlrEct736kAHbr1AJ/0Gr4FrpBgExXywYdrP EO7WEGZv8WFzc262j7qxYx1ipHmJ5leiXLWirHfWXMCFv+sgXcZxqO71VTf0k+raW+ag M6Tw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1736838859; x=1737443659; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sUTfRTg6Rc+eef/gwtWzeJzxfqRZvoS8O7zL6L0wE8s=; b=T9nx7aU4GHhapiSeywFDGo1T4Qjj7e3SbEuPZkOtkFFv7JZuC2qCtk3AVKPBlm3LuM aK3jbXryz2P+jyjk0z44fIdqRYSCdNAxG4WXcaY+Yci7wucNa9T7DUpDX0PS2N8jeALC lLpx3VWxdN28okYkHdadn5hquHVMHpSsL5g/Fhe+VErP/Ng7XWnIa0IPYOdGpSIVXE6+ EBAObT099GfiJAib+fLRSdoCL6b0YG0eQTMOo39bfzj0R6QqwNkwb+uvxtb/c9CzkZ6L 1znsMnbNDDYAb+ODmlobA0Dmqwet1pS5YrgT/ZMcqA0VqauxJGnoRh9cyfnCfuDG4azr BYrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzAlYi679bJiJ3TFZtwZytUns94IkoMNvttPVIJy5nwKzZCQV/k 7SVV+KiFEw4nnlgqNEpLgjZAcE0qcqsgHmMuI6rFCXbfDpK0M02lhQQMVcwUskyHi5283cj2QKt ZX126JIwIfucyRVllOmsMdVprEEoqR7I= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncsykG8oQGm2yO3hHNnRwo92SCj6A2BeYIYZd1HMnRZUfKvlJdHxJmf5jD8FsJ5 DckFyVGZhGGgchfL4TLx5X72+woieDJPmO7IYlKuVXkcWX18xDuV6QdV519pVx7VJ4Rct X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHPR7U1aocbCnuCaOLQoDlRB/bUnSYR+uqE38GHiZNXxl4GL/wRc9g29BDAVSpUtDkUpD76vknX7ttdJXEEC7I= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:13c1:b0:e4e:723f:cad5 with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e550d888623mr13338427276.0.1736838858924; Mon, 13 Jan 2025 23:14:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Johann_H=C3=B6chtl?= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100 X-Gm-Features: AbW1kvYnH9EsEANdVPqPdUsORWXTtj7GeGNkUL0iiUZTQ7Ry7e92j54fW9bstt0 Message-ID: Subject: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000037ee99062ba54f2f" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d; envelope-from=johann.hoechtl@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --00000000000037ee99062ba54f2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I find the load messages during startup, caused by (custom-load-symbol 'foo) disturbing. That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no means to respect the setting of force-load-messages when loading a library. Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described in more detail in https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-startup/82924#82924 In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2025-01-02 built on fv-az1495-740 Repository revision: 299a1fbef886dba654f58a0c55b373f8b43d383b Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (v10.0.2009.19045.5247) Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/d/a/emacs-build/emacs-build/pkg/299a1fb-ucrt-x86_64 'CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-semantic-interposition -floop-parallelize-all -ftree-parallelize-loops=4 -g3 ' --disable-build-details --without-dbus --enable-link-time-optimization --enable-build-details --with-compress-install --with-small-ja-dic --with-gif --with-gnutls --with-harfbuzz --with-jpeg --with-json --with-lcms2 --with-mps --with-native-compilation --with-png --with-rsvg --with-tree-sitter --with-xml2 --with-xpm --with-zlib --without-cairo --without-tiff' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES MPS NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: C.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Markdown Minor modes in effect: corfu-terminal-mode: t visual-wrap-prefix-mode: t word-wrap-whitespace-mode: t flyspell-mode: t winner-mode: t windmove-mode: t savehist-mode: t save-place-mode: t recentf-mode: t pixel-scroll-precision-mode: t marginalia-mode: t global-auto-revert-mode: t icomplete-mode: t fido-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t bar-cursor-mode: t corfu-mode: t override-global-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t tab-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: c:/Users/HoechtlJ/.config/emacs/elpa/transient-20250108.1351/transient hides c:/Users/HoechtlJ/AppData/Local/Emacs/share/emacs/31.0.50/lisp/transient Features: (shadow sort mail-extr compile comint ansi-osc ansi-color comp-run comp-common emacsbug message puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util text-property-search mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils display-line-numbers display-fill-column-indicator yasnippet hideshow vc-git diff-mode track-changes files-x vc-dispatcher time-date corfu-terminal popon visual-wrap word-wrap-mode flyspell ispell yank-media markdown-mode edit-indirect rx color thingatpt noutline outline deeper-blue-theme winner windmove savehist saveplace recentf tree-widget wid-edit pixel-scroll cua-base ring marginalia autorevert filenotify icomplete desktop frameset delsel bar-cursor cus-load corfu edmacro kmacro use-package-bind-key bind-key easy-mmode orderless compat cl-extra help-mode use-package-ensure use-package-core finder-inf bar-cursor-autoloads breadcrumb-autoloads cape-autoloads corfu-terminal-autoloads corfu-autoloads csv-mode-autoloads d2-mode-autoloads dape-autoloads dired-sidebar-autoloads dired-subtree-autoloads dired-hacks-utils-autoloads edit-indirect-autoloads go-mode-autoloads hideshowvis-autoloads impatient-showdown-autoloads impatient-mode-autoloads htmlize-autoloads indent-bars-autoloads magit-autoloads pcase magit-section-autoloads marginalia-autoloads markdown-mode-autoloads mini-modeline-autoloads dash-autoloads olivetti-autoloads orderless-autoloads popon-autoloads simple-httpd-autoloads transient-autoloads vundo-autoloads info with-editor-autoloads yasnippet-autoloads package browse-url xdg url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel touch-screen dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table term/w32-win w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads w32notify w32 lcms2 multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process tty-child-frames native-compile mps emacs) Memory information: ((conses 24 0 0) (symbols 56 0 0) (strings 40 0 0) (string-bytes 1 0) (vectors 24 0) (vector-slots 8 0 0) (floats 24 0 0) (intervals 64 0 0) (buffers 1000 0)) --00000000000037ee99062ba54f2f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I find the load messages during startup, caused by=20 (custom-load-symbol 'foo) disturbing.

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That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no = means to respect the setting of=20 force-load-messages when= loading a library.

Please do note, that this analysis has been made = by and is described in more detail in



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In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2025-01-02 = built
=C2=A0on fv-az1495-740
Repository revision: 299a1fbef886dba65= 4f58a0c55b373f8b43d383b
Repository branch: HEAD
Windowing system dist= ributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045
System Description= : Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (v10.0.2009.19045.5247)

Configured= using:
=C2=A0'configure
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=C2=A0'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -fno-semantic-inte= rposition -floop-parallelize-all
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=C2=A0--enable-link-time-op= timization --enable-build-details
=C2=A0--with-compress-install --with-s= mall-ja-dic --with-gif --with-gnutls
=C2=A0--with-harfbuzz --with-jpeg -= -with-json --with-lcms2 --with-mps
=C2=A0--with-native-compilation --wit= h-png --with-rsvg --with-tree-sitter
=C2=A0--with-xml2 --with-xpm --with= -zlib --without-cairo --without-tiff'

Configured features:
AC= L GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES MPS NATIVE_COMP
NOT= IFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS= TREE_SITTER WEBP XPM ZLIB

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=C2=A0 value of $L= C_ALL: en_US.UTF-8
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Major mode: Markdown

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= =C2=A0 word-wrap-whitespace-mode: t
=C2=A0 flyspell-mode: t
=C2=A0 wi= nner-mode: t
=C2=A0 windmove-mode: t
=C2=A0 savehist-mode: t
=C2= =A0 save-place-mode: t
=C2=A0 recentf-mode: t
=C2=A0 pixel-scroll-pre= cision-mode: t
=C2=A0 marginalia-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-auto-revert-mo= de: t
=C2=A0 icomplete-mode: t
=C2=A0 fido-mode: t
=C2=A0 desktop-= save-mode: t
=C2=A0 delete-selection-mode: t
=C2=A0 bar-cursor-mode: = t
=C2=A0 corfu-mode: t
=C2=A0 override-global-mode: t
=C2=A0 toolt= ip-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-eldoc-mode: t
=C2=A0 eldoc-mode: t
=C2=A0= show-paren-mode: t
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=C2=A0 mouse-wheel= -mode: t
=C2=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 tab-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 men= u-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-font-lock= -mode: t
=C2=A0 font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=C2= =A0 minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
=C2=A0 column-number-mode: t
=C2=A0 lin= e-number-mode: t
=C2=A0 visual-line-mode: t
=C2=A0 transient-mark-mod= e: t
=C2=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=C2=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t=C2=A0 auto-compression-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
c:/Users/Hoe= chtlJ/.config/emacs/elpa/transient-20250108.1351/transient hides c:/Users/H= oechtlJ/AppData/Local/Emacs/share/emacs/31.0.50/lisp/transient

Featu= res:
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mml= -sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util
text-property-search m= m-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231
mailabbrev gmm-utils mai= lheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums
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des= ktop frameset delsel bar-cursor cus-load corfu edmacro kmacro
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indent-bars-autoloads mag= it-autoloads pcase magit-section-autoloads
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dash-autoloads olivetti-autoload= s orderless-autoloads popon-autoloads
simple-httpd-autoloads transient-a= utoloads vundo-autoloads info
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emacs)
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--00000000000037ee99062ba54f2f-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 14 08:02:06 2025 Received: (at 75553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 13:02:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54171 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXgYY-0004dJ-1X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:02:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXgYU-0004cm-KT for 75553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:02:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tXgYI-0008Ng-Fj; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:01:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=TbpJiRSQpFJ285+8nDdxsSY6NC2ncoTMDkFRgygPZ1o=; b=QHW/w3pthR5gPtQLP6Zm j3XE3T3NsBLWBVdCQgPEXrUxaIMIOVuH7oC2dqk9HGZzVAXh7c2x0Y2sjEbCYeSXVfS5IsC2BE809 HDg62bTpyWE+Dvol0H6tEBduOh6jfiqb2EriTp916sB03K3gynXU0c+cb2w41Ob138KXSuOGB3pDH dJ9joxqxuOEtBg+MSyK9z7LsxBlINpdzG49ATZmIBC3yrngvCkHeAf5euRHbEvfpwYP6arqtYGFLj 22D4IGVw/LBoojo8eK9zncXomY6g5iufVa62l/9wOHs86xsMlvbTtRANmA9TzqiI6BPK+cV+J92eb MVHST5TsZr56EQ==; Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:01:48 +0200 Message-Id: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Johann =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= In-Reply-To: (message from Johann =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= on Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75553 Cc: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Johann Höchtl > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100 > > I find the load messages during startup, caused by (custom-load-symbol 'foo) disturbing. > > That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no means to respect the setting of > force-load-messages when loading a library. > > Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described in more detail in > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-startup/82924#82924 I don't think force-load-messages is what you want, because that variable is used for the opposite purpose: to avoid suppressing "Loading FOO..." messages. Whereas you want to suppress those messages. I don't understand why you want to suppress those messages, though. Those messages are normal in Emacs: they are shown every time Emacs loads a Lisp package. custom-load is not special in any way in this regard. Why is it important to suppress that? 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It is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. Am Di., 14. Jan. 2025 um 14:01 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii : > > From: Johann H=C3=B6chtl > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100 > > > > I find the load messages during startup, caused by (custom-load-symbol > 'foo) disturbing. > > > > That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no > means to respect the setting of > > force-load-messages when loading a library. > > > > Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described in > more detail in > > > > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-= startup/82924#82924 > > I don't think force-load-messages is what you want, because that > variable is used for the opposite purpose: to avoid suppressing > "Loading FOO..." messages. Whereas you want to suppress those > messages. > > I don't understand why you want to suppress those messages, though. > Those messages are normal in Emacs: they are shown every time Emacs > loads a Lisp package. custom-load is not special in any way in this > regard. > > Why is it important to suppress that? > --000000000000e9b793062bac2f97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's not important in the sense as it does not impair = daily work. It is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information = which gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it.
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Am Di., 14. Jan. 2025 um 14:01=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretsk= ii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> From: Johann H=C3=B6chtl = <johann.ho= echtl@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100
>
> I find the load messages during startup, caused by (custom-load-symbol= 'foo) disturbing.
>
> That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no = means to respect the setting of
> force-load-messages when loading a library.
>
> Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described i= n more detail in
>
> htt= ps://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-start= up/82924#82924

I don't think force-load-messages is what you want, because that
variable is used for the opposite purpose: to avoid suppressing
"Loading FOO..." messages.=C2=A0 Whereas you want to suppress tho= se
messages.

I don't understand why you want to suppress those messages, though.
Those messages are normal in Emacs: they are shown every time Emacs
loads a Lisp package.=C2=A0 custom-load is not special in any way in this regard.

Why is it important to suppress that?
--000000000000e9b793062bac2f97-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 14 10:41:55 2025 Received: (at 75553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 15:41:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55382 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXj3D-00075j-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:41:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXj3A-00075U-Od for 75553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:41:53 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tXj35-0006B3-Bn; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:41:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=c+bj0s6l4qj60zRXIuQ0J2EtFg/4AE7QXaLxHTfXtbs=; b=Vdk6YuUNGwMqb/p7PIQL W8YpTmPQ9ELYOA/COW/Knc63n7nYhDVQRqGYVmjzpofidVTZFNzX4OK0xpg/QAV8c4egjM+8cWwum yqeiJ2pYu3e5ICq5PwofPWQ9j7dv6L6/4nRBm7uJRrNnT09VyY5eSmqjO1R1AAQh1PfywrZOiwysX PO4+3Sl4n5FefLVfAsoCjMkdN8myqFuGk8PrNkJkYqgZlXaJePtvktzJBZVqS7cNF1pJQbm4ykRsx pUjYe3UJz3FOosoSn9KeI8x7MPO/3qFPqbEttvU8d5DwWoLKnevGAwJg0x5pPtutunXf8ucOht/s9 ycU20934lzx7wQ==; Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:41:41 +0200 Message-Id: <86ed15tnbe.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Johann =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= In-Reply-To: (message from Johann =?utf-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= on Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:26:27 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity References: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75553 Cc: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Johann Höchtl > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:26:27 +0100 > Cc: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org > > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. It is more the appearance of a tool spilling > debug information which gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. The "Loading..." messages are not debug messages, they are intended to make the user aware that Emacs loaded a package. But let's hear what others think about this, maybe we should have a user option to silence these messages. (There is already inhibit-message, but it isn't supposed to be set globally, only let-bound around small fragments of code.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 14 11:11:02 2025 Received: (at 75553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 16:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXjVO-0000B2-4F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:11:02 -0500 Received: from forward500a.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.80]:42522) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXjVK-0000AX-My for 75553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:11:00 -0500 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0f:c:0:640:bd4a:0]) by forward500a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPS id 7734461410; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:10:51 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id oASx5t1OniE0-Zu4k82Pd; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:10:51 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1736871051; bh=E2R51rZZEDaYZtR5J40I8SvpDX9Zk6YDHD/C6fF3few=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=gpKR8OIKkimQdtYRnuoUtcdrnpBGTpDaz6W/737LfTJV3y2N5y7/4xXyj2Vj9S2vB 3M5Eb49Jw2HI67u42zUugr3EsSeVZOOdS7tlLip4WESc6PIN1kKYlIBPtRjdKaLwub euhffLKWm+kVZSPTi/SrO6CD8Qb4BYQbAPkEnejo= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <5d0f4f9148fba9106e54091ac5b95026c8a58f42.camel@yandex.ru> Subject: Re: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity From: Konstantin Kharlamov To: Johann =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F6chtl?= , Eli Zaretskii Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:10:50 +0300 In-Reply-To: References: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75553 Cc: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, Johann H=C3=B6chtl wrote: > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. It > is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which > gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Emacs start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when an application starting up it may print its current loading status. 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That is not orthogonal. Konstantin Kharlamov schrieb am Di., 14. J=C3=A4n. 202= 5, 17:10: > On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, Johann H=C3=B6chtl wrote: > > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. It > > is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which > > gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. > > Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Emacs > start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when an > application starting up it may print its current loading status. > --000000000000e48c74062bacd566 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It doesn't print Loading when I use-package but when dem= anded through customize. That is not orthogonal.


Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@yandex.ru> schrieb am Di., 14. J=C3=A4n. 2025, 17:10:
On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, J= ohann H=C3=B6chtl wrote:
> It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. = It
> is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which
> gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it.

Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Ema= cs
start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when an
application starting up it may print its current loading status.
--000000000000e48c74062bacd566-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 14 11:45:52 2025 Received: (at 75553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 16:45:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55465 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXk36-0002BN-9s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:45:52 -0500 Received: from forward502a.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.82]:43118) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXk33-0002Av-Mi for 75553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:45:50 -0500 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-37.myt.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-37.myt.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c12:3ca7:0:640:c006:0]) by forward502a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPS id BBF9161789; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:42 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-37.myt.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id fjSDsE0Ol4Y0-VwNnsxl2; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:42 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1736873142; bh=mhSAZSf9bHMtfictfbCpDGCRLkWHumhhJqs5yUf8Gb4=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=davwn2tNjWPKsbLM7CqB3MsbUPaRdUH/Qn5PilsE/OgumOYnObHnNsbZkp3V/qWcr XqalqjZ0Y+1vxgSJsIDBym6bwK1YeELm39GA7n8MLgOAj0piPBCLNlQG+U/mqmLacs xzFRahE7/3pkTPx9QAjpBa90TDxbouFWP1k8lLAQ= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-37.myt.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <4e185e04df687916bb0348190298a575238005c3.camel@yandex.ru> Subject: Re: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity From: Konstantin Kharlamov To: Johann =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=F6chtl?= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:40 +0300 In-Reply-To: References: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> <5d0f4f9148fba9106e54091ac5b95026c8a58f42.camel@yandex.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75553 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 75553@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 17:12 +0100, Johann H=C3=B6chtl wrote: > It doesn't print Loading when I use-package but when demanded through > customize. That is not orthogonal. Right, but unless I'm missing something your comment doesn't contradict to what I said. These are still messages that only appear during startup. > Konstantin Kharlamov schrieb am Di., 14. J=C3=A4n. > 2025, 17:10: > > On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, Johann H=C3=B6chtl wrote: > > > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. > > > It > > > is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which > > > gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. > >=20 > > Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Emacs > > start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when > > an > > application starting up it may print its current loading status. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 01 07:01:35 2025 Received: (at 75553-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2025 12:01:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56816 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1teCBr-0005ut-4H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2025 07:01:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32890) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1teCBo-0005uf-QR for 75553-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2025 07:01:33 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1teCBi-0007ri-FD; Sat, 01 Feb 2025 07:01:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=RivBTPVctfsuxtzV6JckKicZhj3y+wqG/BELFIrwhDo=; b=p3ECCyjOwbSoy5FOs851 pZgCAUKTaVblnBczLVccsDd7/lVTIZzca2CMV2yFvNnN78OMjneexSw5nUWYNRC7LUfqtXsMsdDt2 7rBVnSp1jCVId429+CJiFM+I1l1oHoBg87nEmW3Tz59z75ovrNNYpFOnxLJx8aeBK8db08kHTeB7Q zFtaoSCT8Hs63tNDK6Qps9tWMyaqn7wJ9mM9SZdy+8oT8MG/yzgzMLicHArVDleo1SxwMcMsbHa3/ 1VHKRrfw7oLmuax0Q0Rr6ODp/Zfge/qqrvV6Xq6p/b6SUZtX6Dpg7975Pr3+3yVUGVk5E74dTK2wJ h9ed/EqXmoi5XQ==; Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 14:01:23 +0200 Message-Id: <86frkxg9gs.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Konstantin Kharlamov In-Reply-To: <4e185e04df687916bb0348190298a575238005c3.camel@yandex.ru> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:40 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity References: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> <5d0f4f9148fba9106e54091ac5b95026c8a58f42.camel@yandex.ru> <4e185e04df687916bb0348190298a575238005c3.camel@yandex.ru> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75553-done Cc: johann.hoechtl@gmail.com, 75553-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 75553@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:40 +0300 > > On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 17:12 +0100, Johann Höchtl wrote: > > It doesn't print Loading when I use-package but when demanded through > > customize. That is not orthogonal. > > Right, but unless I'm missing something your comment doesn't contradict > to what I said. These are still messages that only appear during > startup. > > > Konstantin Kharlamov schrieb am Di., 14. Jän. > > 2025, 17:10: > > > On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, Johann Höchtl wrote: > > > > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. > > > > It > > > > is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which > > > > gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. > > > > > > Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Emacs > > > start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when > > > an > > > application starting up it may print its current loading status. No further comments, so I'm now closing this bug. 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