From unknown Sat Aug 16 14:29:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity Resent-From: Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 07:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 75553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.173683887531965 (code B ref -1); Tue, 14 Jan 2025 07:15:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 07:14:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXb8D-0008JT-VM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:14:34 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:470:142::17]:54048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXb89-0008J5-IF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:14:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tXb82-0003ye-Tb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:14:22 -0500 Received: from mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tXb80-0001I8-ML for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 02:14:22 -0500 Received: by mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e460717039fso7175735276.0 for ; Mon, 13 Jan 2025 23:14:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1736838859; x=1737443659; darn=gnu.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sUTfRTg6Rc+eef/gwtWzeJzxfqRZvoS8O7zL6L0wE8s=; b=HKSo9bpsAeDeaNitgdIxtbkcARcbo9nuFFdFZga4H8xFeZFh8KI7p83kO1KOqVXM+U KDU0h6e3uHinOHAeCsgYERNk9Qzp2QH5r3an3izpOAsTYsEiP0egpXlgOHSwNJRbARDB V1RTVTUoQ29DdQswIlr0HN24j70GNWJeI8ZC9ytxGgW9yfOhinHUKMtWgVqgH3j6UQ3u Wi892elI8888xgA3oII1wUTSgvtpj6ZGtlrEct736kAHbr1AJ/0Gr4FrpBgExXywYdrP EO7WEGZv8WFzc262j7qxYx1ipHmJ5leiXLWirHfWXMCFv+sgXcZxqO71VTf0k+raW+ag M6Tw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1736838859; x=1737443659; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sUTfRTg6Rc+eef/gwtWzeJzxfqRZvoS8O7zL6L0wE8s=; b=T9nx7aU4GHhapiSeywFDGo1T4Qjj7e3SbEuPZkOtkFFv7JZuC2qCtk3AVKPBlm3LuM aK3jbXryz2P+jyjk0z44fIdqRYSCdNAxG4WXcaY+Yci7wucNa9T7DUpDX0PS2N8jeALC lLpx3VWxdN28okYkHdadn5hquHVMHpSsL5g/Fhe+VErP/Ng7XWnIa0IPYOdGpSIVXE6+ EBAObT099GfiJAib+fLRSdoCL6b0YG0eQTMOo39bfzj0R6QqwNkwb+uvxtb/c9CzkZ6L 1znsMnbNDDYAb+ODmlobA0Dmqwet1pS5YrgT/ZMcqA0VqauxJGnoRh9cyfnCfuDG4azr BYrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzAlYi679bJiJ3TFZtwZytUns94IkoMNvttPVIJy5nwKzZCQV/k 7SVV+KiFEw4nnlgqNEpLgjZAcE0qcqsgHmMuI6rFCXbfDpK0M02lhQQMVcwUskyHi5283cj2QKt ZX126JIwIfucyRVllOmsMdVprEEoqR7I= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncsykG8oQGm2yO3hHNnRwo92SCj6A2BeYIYZd1HMnRZUfKvlJdHxJmf5jD8FsJ5 DckFyVGZhGGgchfL4TLx5X72+woieDJPmO7IYlKuVXkcWX18xDuV6QdV519pVx7VJ4Rct X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHPR7U1aocbCnuCaOLQoDlRB/bUnSYR+uqE38GHiZNXxl4GL/wRc9g29BDAVSpUtDkUpD76vknX7ttdJXEEC7I= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:13c1:b0:e4e:723f:cad5 with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e550d888623mr13338427276.0.1736838858924; Mon, 13 Jan 2025 23:14:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100 X-Gm-Features: AbW1kvYnH9EsEANdVPqPdUsORWXTtj7GeGNkUL0iiUZTQ7Ry7e92j54fW9bstt0 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000037ee99062ba54f2f" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2d; envelope-from=johann.hoechtl@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2d.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) --00000000000037ee99062ba54f2f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I find the load messages during startup, caused by (custom-load-symbol 'foo) disturbing. That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no means to respect the setting of force-load-messages when loading a library. Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described in more detail in https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-startup/82924#82924 In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2025-01-02 built on fv-az1495-740 Repository revision: 299a1fbef886dba654f58a0c55b373f8b43d383b Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (v10.0.2009.19045.5247) Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/d/a/emacs-build/emacs-build/pkg/299a1fb-ucrt-x86_64 'CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-semantic-interposition -floop-parallelize-all -ftree-parallelize-loops=4 -g3 ' --disable-build-details --without-dbus --enable-link-time-optimization --enable-build-details --with-compress-install --with-small-ja-dic --with-gif --with-gnutls --with-harfbuzz --with-jpeg --with-json --with-lcms2 --with-mps --with-native-compilation --with-png --with-rsvg --with-tree-sitter --with-xml2 --with-xpm --with-zlib --without-cairo --without-tiff' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES MPS NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: C.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Markdown Minor modes in effect: corfu-terminal-mode: t visual-wrap-prefix-mode: t word-wrap-whitespace-mode: t flyspell-mode: t winner-mode: t windmove-mode: t savehist-mode: t save-place-mode: t recentf-mode: t pixel-scroll-precision-mode: t marginalia-mode: t global-auto-revert-mode: t icomplete-mode: t fido-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t bar-cursor-mode: t corfu-mode: t override-global-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t tab-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t minibuffer-regexp-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: c:/Users/HoechtlJ/.config/emacs/elpa/transient-20250108.1351/transient hides c:/Users/HoechtlJ/AppData/Local/Emacs/share/emacs/31.0.50/lisp/transient Features: (shadow sort mail-extr compile comint ansi-osc ansi-color comp-run comp-common emacsbug message puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util text-property-search mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils display-line-numbers display-fill-column-indicator yasnippet hideshow vc-git diff-mode track-changes files-x vc-dispatcher time-date corfu-terminal popon visual-wrap word-wrap-mode flyspell ispell yank-media markdown-mode edit-indirect rx color thingatpt noutline outline deeper-blue-theme winner windmove savehist saveplace recentf tree-widget wid-edit pixel-scroll cua-base ring marginalia autorevert filenotify icomplete desktop frameset delsel bar-cursor cus-load corfu edmacro kmacro use-package-bind-key bind-key easy-mmode orderless compat cl-extra help-mode use-package-ensure use-package-core finder-inf bar-cursor-autoloads breadcrumb-autoloads cape-autoloads corfu-terminal-autoloads corfu-autoloads csv-mode-autoloads d2-mode-autoloads dape-autoloads dired-sidebar-autoloads dired-subtree-autoloads dired-hacks-utils-autoloads edit-indirect-autoloads go-mode-autoloads hideshowvis-autoloads impatient-showdown-autoloads impatient-mode-autoloads htmlize-autoloads indent-bars-autoloads magit-autoloads pcase magit-section-autoloads marginalia-autoloads markdown-mode-autoloads mini-modeline-autoloads dash-autoloads olivetti-autoloads orderless-autoloads popon-autoloads simple-httpd-autoloads transient-autoloads vundo-autoloads info with-editor-autoloads yasnippet-autoloads package browse-url xdg url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie generate-lisp-file url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons password-cache json subr-x map byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars cl-loaddefs cl-lib rmc iso-transl tooltip cconv eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel touch-screen dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table term/w32-win w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs theme-loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads w32notify w32 lcms2 multi-tty move-toolbar make-network-process tty-child-frames native-compile mps emacs) Memory information: ((conses 24 0 0) (symbols 56 0 0) (strings 40 0 0) (string-bytes 1 0) (vectors 24 0) (vector-slots 8 0 0) (floats 24 0 0) (intervals 64 0 0) (buffers 1000 0)) --00000000000037ee99062ba54f2f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I find the load messages during startup, caused by=20 (custom-load-symbol 'foo) disturbing.

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That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no = means to respect the setting of=20 force-load-messages when= loading a library.

Please do note, that this analysis has been made = by and is described in more detail in



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In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2025-01-02 = built
=C2=A0on fv-az1495-740
Repository revision: 299a1fbef886dba65= 4f58a0c55b373f8b43d383b
Repository branch: HEAD
Windowing system dist= ributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045
System Description= : Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (v10.0.2009.19045.5247)

Configured= using:
=C2=A0'configure
=C2=A0--prefix=3D/d/a/emacs-build/emacs-= build/pkg/299a1fb-ucrt-x86_64
=C2=A0'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -fno-semantic-inte= rposition -floop-parallelize-all
=C2=A0-ftree-parallelize-loops=3D4 -g3 = ' --disable-build-details --without-dbus
=C2=A0--enable-link-time-op= timization --enable-build-details
=C2=A0--with-compress-install --with-s= mall-ja-dic --with-gif --with-gnutls
=C2=A0--with-harfbuzz --with-jpeg -= -with-json --with-lcms2 --with-mps
=C2=A0--with-native-compilation --wit= h-png --with-rsvg --with-tree-sitter
=C2=A0--with-xml2 --with-xpm --with= -zlib --without-cairo --without-tiff'

Configured features:
AC= L GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES MPS NATIVE_COMP
NOT= IFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS
TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS= TREE_SITTER WEBP XPM ZLIB

Important settings:
=C2=A0 value of $L= C_ALL: en_US.UTF-8
=C2=A0 value of $LANG: C.UTF-8
=C2=A0 locale-codin= g-system: cp1252

Major mode: Markdown

Minor modes in effect:<= br>=C2=A0 corfu-terminal-mode: t
=C2=A0 visual-wrap-prefix-mode: t
= =C2=A0 word-wrap-whitespace-mode: t
=C2=A0 flyspell-mode: t
=C2=A0 wi= nner-mode: t
=C2=A0 windmove-mode: t
=C2=A0 savehist-mode: t
=C2= =A0 save-place-mode: t
=C2=A0 recentf-mode: t
=C2=A0 pixel-scroll-pre= cision-mode: t
=C2=A0 marginalia-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-auto-revert-mo= de: t
=C2=A0 icomplete-mode: t
=C2=A0 fido-mode: t
=C2=A0 desktop-= save-mode: t
=C2=A0 delete-selection-mode: t
=C2=A0 bar-cursor-mode: = t
=C2=A0 corfu-mode: t
=C2=A0 override-global-mode: t
=C2=A0 toolt= ip-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-eldoc-mode: t
=C2=A0 eldoc-mode: t
=C2=A0= show-paren-mode: t
=C2=A0 electric-indent-mode: t
=C2=A0 mouse-wheel= -mode: t
=C2=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 tab-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 men= u-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-font-lock= -mode: t
=C2=A0 font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=C2= =A0 minibuffer-regexp-mode: t
=C2=A0 column-number-mode: t
=C2=A0 lin= e-number-mode: t
=C2=A0 visual-line-mode: t
=C2=A0 transient-mark-mod= e: t
=C2=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=C2=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t=C2=A0 auto-compression-mode: t

Load-path shadows:
c:/Users/Hoe= chtlJ/.config/emacs/elpa/transient-20250108.1351/transient hides c:/Users/H= oechtlJ/AppData/Local/Emacs/share/emacs/31.0.50/lisp/transient

Featu= res:
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mml= -sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util
text-property-search m= m-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231
mailabbrev gmm-utils mai= lheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums
mm-util mail-prsvr mail-util= s display-line-numbers
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track-changes files-x vc-dispatcher time-date corfu-ter= minal popon
visual-wrap word-wrap-mode flyspell ispell yank-media markdo= wn-mode
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winner windmove savehist saveplace recentf tree-widget wid-edit
p= ixel-scroll cua-base ring marginalia autorevert filenotify icomplete
des= ktop frameset delsel bar-cursor cus-load corfu edmacro kmacro
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help-mode use-p= ackage-ensure use-package-core finder-inf
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impatient-showdown-autolo= ads impatient-mode-autoloads htmlize-autoloads
indent-bars-autoloads mag= it-autoloads pcase magit-section-autoloads
marginalia-autoloads markdown= -mode-autoloads mini-modeline-autoloads
dash-autoloads olivetti-autoload= s orderless-autoloads popon-autoloads
simple-httpd-autoloads transient-a= utoloads vundo-autoloads info
with-editor-autoloads yasnippet-autoloads = package browse-url xdg url
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auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs icons p= assword-cache json
subr-x map byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile url-vars= cl-loaddefs cl-lib
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text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar r= fn-eshadow
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emacs)
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--00000000000037ee99062ba54f2f-- From unknown Sat Aug 16 14:29:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 75553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= Cc: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 75553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B75553.173685972617817 (code B ref 75553); Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:03:02 +0000 Received: (at 75553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 13:02:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54171 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXgYY-0004dJ-1X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:02:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXgYU-0004cm-KT for 75553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:02:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tXgYI-0008Ng-Fj; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:01:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=TbpJiRSQpFJ285+8nDdxsSY6NC2ncoTMDkFRgygPZ1o=; b=QHW/w3pthR5gPtQLP6Zm j3XE3T3NsBLWBVdCQgPEXrUxaIMIOVuH7oC2dqk9HGZzVAXh7c2x0Y2sjEbCYeSXVfS5IsC2BE809 HDg62bTpyWE+Dvol0H6tEBduOh6jfiqb2EriTp916sB03K3gynXU0c+cb2w41Ob138KXSuOGB3pDH dJ9joxqxuOEtBg+MSyK9z7LsxBlINpdzG49ATZmIBC3yrngvCkHeAf5euRHbEvfpwYP6arqtYGFLj 22D4IGVw/LBoojo8eK9zncXomY6g5iufVa62l/9wOHs86xsMlvbTtRANmA9TzqiI6BPK+cV+J92eb MVHST5TsZr56EQ==; Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:01:48 +0200 Message-Id: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= on Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100) References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Johann Höchtl > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100 > > I find the load messages during startup, caused by (custom-load-symbol 'foo) disturbing. > > That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no means to respect the setting of > force-load-messages when loading a library. > > Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described in more detail in > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-startup/82924#82924 I don't think force-load-messages is what you want, because that variable is used for the opposite purpose: to avoid suppressing "Loading FOO..." messages. Whereas you want to suppress those messages. I don't understand why you want to suppress those messages, though. Those messages are normal in Emacs: they are shown every time Emacs loads a Lisp package. custom-load is not special in any way in this regard. Why is it important to suppress that? 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It is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. Am Di., 14. Jan. 2025 um 14:01 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii : > > From: Johann H=C3=B6chtl > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100 > > > > I find the load messages during startup, caused by (custom-load-symbol > 'foo) disturbing. > > > > That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no > means to respect the setting of > > force-load-messages when loading a library. > > > > Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described in > more detail in > > > > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-= startup/82924#82924 > > I don't think force-load-messages is what you want, because that > variable is used for the opposite purpose: to avoid suppressing > "Loading FOO..." messages. Whereas you want to suppress those > messages. > > I don't understand why you want to suppress those messages, though. > Those messages are normal in Emacs: they are shown every time Emacs > loads a Lisp package. custom-load is not special in any way in this > regard. > > Why is it important to suppress that? > --000000000000e9b793062bac2f97 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's not important in the sense as it does not impair = daily work. It is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information = which gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it.
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Am Di., 14. Jan. 2025 um 14:01=C2=A0Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretsk= ii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> From: Johann H=C3=B6chtl = <johann.ho= echtl@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 08:14:08 +0100
>
> I find the load messages during startup, caused by (custom-load-symbol= 'foo) disturbing.
>
> That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no = means to respect the setting of
> force-load-messages when loading a library.
>
> Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described i= n more detail in
>
> htt= ps://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-start= up/82924#82924

I don't think force-load-messages is what you want, because that
variable is used for the opposite purpose: to avoid suppressing
"Loading FOO..." messages.=C2=A0 Whereas you want to suppress tho= se
messages.

I don't understand why you want to suppress those messages, though.
Those messages are normal in Emacs: they are shown every time Emacs
loads a Lisp package.=C2=A0 custom-load is not special in any way in this regard.

Why is it important to suppress that?
--000000000000e9b793062bac2f97-- From unknown Sat Aug 16 14:29:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 75553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= Cc: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 75553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B75553.173686931627268 (code B ref 75553); Tue, 14 Jan 2025 15:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 75553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 15:41:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55382 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXj3D-00075j-J3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:41:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXj3A-00075U-Od for 75553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:41:53 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tXj35-0006B3-Bn; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 10:41:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=c+bj0s6l4qj60zRXIuQ0J2EtFg/4AE7QXaLxHTfXtbs=; b=Vdk6YuUNGwMqb/p7PIQL W8YpTmPQ9ELYOA/COW/Knc63n7nYhDVQRqGYVmjzpofidVTZFNzX4OK0xpg/QAV8c4egjM+8cWwum yqeiJ2pYu3e5ICq5PwofPWQ9j7dv6L6/4nRBm7uJRrNnT09VyY5eSmqjO1R1AAQh1PfywrZOiwysX PO4+3Sl4n5FefLVfAsoCjMkdN8myqFuGk8PrNkJkYqgZlXaJePtvktzJBZVqS7cNF1pJQbm4ykRsx pUjYe3UJz3FOosoSn9KeI8x7MPO/3qFPqbEttvU8d5DwWoLKnevGAwJg0x5pPtutunXf8ucOht/s9 ycU20934lzx7wQ==; Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 17:41:41 +0200 Message-Id: <86ed15tnbe.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= on Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:26:27 +0100) References: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Johann Höchtl > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:26:27 +0100 > Cc: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org > > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. It is more the appearance of a tool spilling > debug information which gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. The "Loading..." messages are not debug messages, they are intended to make the user aware that Emacs loaded a package. But let's hear what others think about this, maybe we should have a user option to silence these messages. (There is already inhibit-message, but it isn't supposed to be set globally, only let-bound around small fragments of code.) From unknown Sat Aug 16 14:29:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity Resent-From: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 75553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= , Eli Zaretskii Cc: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 75553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B75553.1736871062698 (code B ref 75553); Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 75553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 16:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXjVO-0000B2-4F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:11:02 -0500 Received: from forward500a.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.80]:42522) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXjVK-0000AX-My for 75553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:11:00 -0500 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c0f:c:0:640:bd4a:0]) by forward500a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPS id 7734461410; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:10:51 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id oASx5t1OniE0-Zu4k82Pd; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:10:51 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1736871051; bh=E2R51rZZEDaYZtR5J40I8SvpDX9Zk6YDHD/C6fF3few=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=gpKR8OIKkimQdtYRnuoUtcdrnpBGTpDaz6W/737LfTJV3y2N5y7/4xXyj2Vj9S2vB 3M5Eb49Jw2HI67u42zUugr3EsSeVZOOdS7tlLip4WESc6PIN1kKYlIBPtRjdKaLwub euhffLKWm+kVZSPTi/SrO6CD8Qb4BYQbAPkEnejo= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-64.vla.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <5d0f4f9148fba9106e54091ac5b95026c8a58f42.camel@yandex.ru> From: Konstantin Kharlamov Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:10:50 +0300 In-Reply-To: References: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, Johann H=C3=B6chtl wrote: > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. It > is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which > gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Emacs start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when an application starting up it may print its current loading status. 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That is not orthogonal. Konstantin Kharlamov schrieb am Di., 14. J=C3=A4n. 202= 5, 17:10: > On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, Johann H=C3=B6chtl wrote: > > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. It > > is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which > > gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. > > Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Emacs > start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when an > application starting up it may print its current loading status. > --000000000000e48c74062bacd566 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It doesn't print Loading when I use-package but when dem= anded through customize. That is not orthogonal.


Konstantin Kharlamov <Hi-Angel@yandex.ru> schrieb am Di., 14. J=C3=A4n. 2025, 17:10:
On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, J= ohann H=C3=B6chtl wrote:
> It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. = It
> is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which
> gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it.

Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Ema= cs
start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when an
application starting up it may print its current loading status.
--000000000000e48c74062bacd566-- From unknown Sat Aug 16 14:29:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity Resent-From: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 75553 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 75553@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 75553-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B75553.17368731528399 (code B ref 75553); Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 75553) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2025 16:45:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55465 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXk36-0002BN-9s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:45:52 -0500 Received: from forward502a.mail.yandex.net ([178.154.239.82]:43118) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tXk33-0002Av-Mi for 75553@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 11:45:50 -0500 Received: from mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-37.myt.yp-c.yandex.net (mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-37.myt.yp-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c12:3ca7:0:640:c006:0]) by forward502a.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTPS id BBF9161789; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:42 +0300 (MSK) Received: by mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-37.myt.yp-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id fjSDsE0Ol4Y0-VwNnsxl2; Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:42 +0300 X-Yandex-Fwd: 1 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1736873142; bh=mhSAZSf9bHMtfictfbCpDGCRLkWHumhhJqs5yUf8Gb4=; h=References:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID; b=davwn2tNjWPKsbLM7CqB3MsbUPaRdUH/Qn5PilsE/OgumOYnObHnNsbZkp3V/qWcr XqalqjZ0Y+1vxgSJsIDBym6bwK1YeELm39GA7n8MLgOAj0piPBCLNlQG+U/mqmLacs xzFRahE7/3pkTPx9QAjpBa90TDxbouFWP1k8lLAQ= Authentication-Results: mail-nwsmtp-smtp-production-main-37.myt.yp-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <4e185e04df687916bb0348190298a575238005c3.camel@yandex.ru> From: Konstantin Kharlamov Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:40 +0300 In-Reply-To: References: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> <5d0f4f9148fba9106e54091ac5b95026c8a58f42.camel@yandex.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.54.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 17:12 +0100, Johann H=C3=B6chtl wrote: > It doesn't print Loading when I use-package but when demanded through > customize. That is not orthogonal. Right, but unless I'm missing something your comment doesn't contradict to what I said. These are still messages that only appear during startup. > Konstantin Kharlamov schrieb am Di., 14. J=C3=A4n. > 2025, 17:10: > > On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, Johann H=C3=B6chtl wrote: > > > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. > > > It > > > is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which > > > gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. > >=20 > > Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Emacs > > start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when > > an > > application starting up it may print its current loading status. From unknown Sat Aug 16 14:29:39 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Johann =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=B6chtl?= Subject: bug#75553: closed (Re: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity) Message-ID: References: <86frkxg9gs.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 75553 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 75553@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 12:02:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1738411322-22794-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1738411322-22794-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 75553@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 75553: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D75553 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1738411322-22794-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 75553-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2025 12:01:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56816 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1teCBr-0005ut-4H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2025 07:01:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32890) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1teCBo-0005uf-QR for 75553-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2025 07:01:33 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1teCBi-0007ri-FD; Sat, 01 Feb 2025 07:01:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=RivBTPVctfsuxtzV6JckKicZhj3y+wqG/BELFIrwhDo=; b=p3ECCyjOwbSoy5FOs851 pZgCAUKTaVblnBczLVccsDd7/lVTIZzca2CMV2yFvNnN78OMjneexSw5nUWYNRC7LUfqtXsMsdDt2 7rBVnSp1jCVId429+CJiFM+I1l1oHoBg87nEmW3Tz59z75ovrNNYpFOnxLJx8aeBK8db08kHTeB7Q zFtaoSCT8Hs63tNDK6Qps9tWMyaqn7wJ9mM9SZdy+8oT8MG/yzgzMLicHArVDleo1SxwMcMsbHa3/ 1VHKRrfw7oLmuax0Q0Rr6ODp/Zfge/qqrvV6Xq6p/b6SUZtX6Dpg7975Pr3+3yVUGVk5E74dTK2wJ h9ed/EqXmoi5XQ==; Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 14:01:23 +0200 Message-Id: <86frkxg9gs.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Konstantin Kharlamov In-Reply-To: <4e185e04df687916bb0348190298a575238005c3.camel@yandex.ru> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:40 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#75553: 31.0.50; custom-load-symbol should respect message verbosity References: <86r055tupv.fsf@gnu.org> <5d0f4f9148fba9106e54091ac5b95026c8a58f42.camel@yandex.ru> <4e185e04df687916bb0348190298a575238005c3.camel@yandex.ru> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 75553-done Cc: johann.hoechtl@gmail.com, 75553-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 75553@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 19:45:40 +0300 > > On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 17:12 +0100, Johann Höchtl wrote: > > It doesn't print Loading when I use-package but when demanded through > > customize. That is not orthogonal. > > Right, but unless I'm missing something your comment doesn't contradict > to what I said. These are still messages that only appear during > startup. > > > Konstantin Kharlamov schrieb am Di., 14. Jän. > > 2025, 17:10: > > > On Tue, 2025-01-14 at 16:26 +0100, Johann Höchtl wrote: > > > > It's not important in the sense as it does not impair daily work. > > > > It > > > > is more the appearance of a tool spilling debug information which > > > > gives a somewhat unprofessional look. That's about it. > > > > > > Well, typically the "Loading" messages may only appear during Emacs > > > start-up (do they not for you?). It seems rational to me that when > > > an > > > application starting up it may print its current loading status. 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That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no means to respect the setting of force-load-messages when loading a library. Please do note, that this analysis has been made by and is described in more detail in https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/82904/disable-echo-area-during-startup/82924#82924 In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2025-01-02 built on fv-az1495-740 Repository revision: 299a1fbef886dba654f58a0c55b373f8b43d383b Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19045 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise (v10.0.2009.19045.5247) Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/d/a/emacs-build/emacs-build/pkg/299a1fb-ucrt-x86_64 'CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-semantic-interposition -floop-parallelize-all -ftree-parallelize-loops=4 -g3 ' --disable-build-details --without-dbus --enable-link-time-optimization --enable-build-details --with-compress-install --with-small-ja-dic --with-gif --with-gnutls --with-harfbuzz --with-jpeg --with-json --with-lcms2 --with-mps --with-native-compilation --with-png --with-rsvg --with-tree-sitter --with-xml2 --with-xpm --with-zlib --without-cairo --without-tiff' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES MPS NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: C.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Markdown Minor modes in effect: corfu-terminal-mode: t visual-wrap-prefix-mode: t word-wrap-whitespace-mode: t flyspell-mode: t winner-mode: t windmove-mode: t savehist-mode: t save-place-mode: t recentf-mode: t pixel-scroll-precision-mode: t marginalia-mode: t global-auto-revert-mode: t icomplete-mode: t fido-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t bar-cursor-mode: t corfu-mode: t override-global-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t tab-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t 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I find the load messages during startup, caused by=20 (custom-load-symbol 'foo) disturbing.

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That is caused by the fact that the API of custom-load-symbaol has no = means to respect the setting of=20 force-load-messages when= loading a library.

Please do note, that this analysis has been made = by and is described in more detail in



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In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2025-01-02 = built
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Repository revision: 299a1fbef886dba65= 4f58a0c55b373f8b43d383b
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emacs)
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