From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 13:20:49 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2010 18:20:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1POwj3-00006m-4K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:20:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1POwj1-00006a-Ny for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:20:48 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1POwoc-0005rs-FQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:26:35 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:60057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1POwoc-0005ri-7w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:26:34 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56211 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1POwoa-0007cj-MV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:26:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1POwoZ-0005qY-F4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:26:32 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:58398) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1POwoZ-0005q5-5Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 13:26:31 -0500 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id oB4IQSGq020173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:26:29 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id oB4ILKGh020546 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 18:26:28 GMT Received: from abhmt010.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 826588481291487085; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:24:45 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.220.1) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 10:24:45 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; (elisp) bad organization - Frames submenus Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:24:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcuT4Igu4EbDJq8+T7eEZe9oZ498PQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) All kinds of stuff has been stuffed under the `Frames' node - stuff that has nothing particular to do with frames. This stuff should be placed elsewhere. Examples: Mouse Tracking - maybe put it with other mouse stuff Mouse Position - " " Pop-Up Menus - put it with other menu stuff It has nothing to do with frames, apart from the fact that the implementation might involve frames. Dialog Boxes - maybe put it with menu or `interactive' stuff Again, it has nothing to do with frames apart from implementation. Pointer Shape - put it with other mouse stuff Window System Selections - put it with selection/region stuff Drag and Drop - put it with copy/paste stuff Color Names - again, has nothing to do with frames Text Terminal Colors - ditto Resources - resources can be anything, not just frame parameters Display Feature Testing - similar to resources - this is about display/system properties, not about Emacs frames This is a terrible mess. It confuses users wrt what Emacs frames are all about. You might just as well stuff all this stuff in the section about Emacs faces or the region - that makes about as much sense (none). In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-11-30 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 17:07:46 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2010 22:07:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PP0Gg-0006pY-8g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:07:46 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PP0GY-0006pG-Nn for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:07:45 -0500 Received: from furball (dhcp128036014248.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oB4MDQhG005026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:13:26 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1D5CA16059F; Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:13:26 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: severity 7555 wishlist Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 17:13:25 -0500 Message-ID: <87aakljiey.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) severity 7555 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 28 05:47:11 2016 Received: (at 7555) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2016 09:47:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51174 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aviXP-0003fw-Kf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:47:11 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:33631) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aviXN-0003fi-Ak for 7555@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:47:09 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.1.64.getinternet.no ([84.215.1.64] helo=mouse) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aviXK-0007yQ-Gl; Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:47:08 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7555: 24.0.50; (elisp) bad organization - Frames submenus References: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:47:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 4 Dec 2010 10:24:47 -0800") Message-ID: <87y47yqd45.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7555 Cc: 7555@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > All kinds of stuff has been stuffed under the `Frames' node - stuff that > has nothing particular to do with frames. This stuff should be placed > elsewhere. > > Examples: > > Mouse Tracking - maybe put it with other mouse stuff > Mouse Position - " " > Pop-Up Menus - put it with other menu stuff > It has nothing to do with frames, apart from the fact > that the implementation might involve frames. > Dialog Boxes - maybe put it with menu or `interactive' stuff > Again, it has nothing to do with frames apart from > implementation. > Pointer Shape - put it with other mouse stuff > Window System Selections - put it with selection/region stuff > Drag and Drop - put it with copy/paste stuff I agree with all these... > Color Names - again, has nothing to do with frames > Text Terminal Colors - ditto > Resources - resources can be anything, not just frame parameters > Display Feature Testing - similar to resources - this is about > display/system properties, not about Emacs frames All these should perhaps go in a new node, "misc. display features" or something? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no