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It didn't take long for builds to fail again: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2331361 Considering that more and more systems prevent deduplication over the years, may it be considered to be the default behavior instead of the exception ? Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric B=C3=A9rat Principal Software Engineer, Platform Tools Red Hat fberat@redhat.com --0000000000006b1de8062b45b880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

I opened an issue a f= ew years back that didn't get solved: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/h= tml/libtool/2022-02/msg00001.html

Out of curio= sity, I decided to remove my local patch for it with the new libtool releas= e. It didn't take long for builds to fail again:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/= show_bug.cgi?id=3D2331361

Considering that mor= e and more systems prevent deduplication over the years, may it be consider= ed to be the default behavior instead of the exception ?

Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric B=C3=A9rat

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Principal Software Engineer, Platform Tools

Red Hat

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fberat@redhat.c= om=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =20 =20

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It didn't take long for builds to fail again: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2331361 > bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2331361> > > > > Considering that more and more systems prevent deduplication over the > > years, may it be considered to be the default behavior instead of the > > exception ? > > To ensure GNU Libtool continues to work with older systems, this patch > should probably not be applied. Users can disable the deduplication > optimization with "--preserve-dup-deps" without applying the suggested > patch, but this affects more than just compiler generated dependencies. > > Well, I'm not sure I get why keeping duplicates would harm, but fair enough my patch is clearly overkill. > I would be more willing to add an option to toggle > "$opt_duplicate_compiler_generated_deps" separate from > "$opt_preserve_dup_deps". 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On Thu, Jan 9, = 2025 at 7:57=E2=80=AFPM Ileana Dumitrescu <ileanadumitrescu95@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09/01/2025 15:11, Frederi= c Berat wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I opened an issue a few years back that didn't get solved: https:/= /
> lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libto= ol/2022-02/msg00001.html <https://
> lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libto= ol/2022-02/msg00001.html>
>
> Out of curiosity, I decided to remove my local patch for it with the n= ew
> libtool release. It didn't take long for builds to fail again:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?= id=3D2331361 <https://
> bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3D233= 1361>
>
> Considering that more and more systems prevent deduplication over the =
> years, may it be considered to be the default behavior instead of the =
> exception ?

To ensure GNU Libtool continues to work with older systems, this patch
should probably not be applied. Users can disable the deduplication
optimization with "--preserve-dup-deps" without applying the sugg= ested
patch, but this affects more than just compiler generated dependencies.


Well, I'm not sure I get why keepi= ng duplicates would harm, but fair enough my patch is clearly overkill.
=C2=A0
I would be more willing to add an option to toggle
"$opt_duplicate_compiler_generated_deps" separate from
"$opt_preserve_dup_deps". Would this be a good alternative to the= patch?

Not sure that's a good alte= rnative. you'd force users from the systems that have been excluded ove= r the years to toggle an option that they didn't need so far.
=C2=A0

--
Ileana Dumitrescu

GPG Public Key: FA26 CA78 4BE1 8892 7F22 B99F 6570 EA01 146F 7354

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Users can disable the deduplication > > optimization with "--preserve-dup-deps" without applying the > suggested > > patch, but this affects more than just compiler generated > dependencies. > > > > > > Well, I'm not sure I get why keeping duplicates would harm, but fair > > enough my patch is clearly overkill. > > I am willing to apply something similar if it is specific to systems > that have been verified to have a problem with reordered compiler > dependencies. I do not want to assume all of linux systems require this > patch, but a more specific subset would be good. > More than a specific linux system, that are dependencies that include GCC libraries that should not be re-ordered/de-duplicated in the case I've seen= . > > -- > Ileana Dumitrescu > > GPG Public Key: FA26 CA78 4BE1 8892 7F22 B99F 6570 EA01 146F 7354 > > --000000000000fb71a7062b9745fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Jan 10,= 2025 at 3:36=E2=80=AFPM Ileana Dumitrescu <ileanadumitrescu95@gmail.com> wrote:
On 09/01/2025 23:23, Freder= ic Berat wrote:
...
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To ensure GNU Libtool continues to work with older = systems, this patch
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0should probably not be applied. Users can disable t= he deduplication
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0optimization with "--preserve-dup-deps" w= ithout applying the suggested
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0patch, but this affects more than just compiler gen= erated dependencies.
>
>
> Well, I'm not sure I get why keeping duplicates would harm, but fa= ir
> enough my patch is clearly overkill.

I am willing to apply something similar if it is specific to systems
that have been verified to have a problem with reordered compiler
dependencies. I do not want to assume all of linux systems require this
patch, but a more specific subset would be good.

<= /div>
More than a specific linux system, that are dependencies that inc= lude GCC libraries that should not be re-ordered/de-duplicated in the case = I've seen.
=C2=A0

--
Ileana Dumitrescu

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