From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:01:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7527: 24.0.50; (org) `Activation node' (minor suggestions) Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:32:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 7527 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7527@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.129123188512732 (code B ref -1); Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:32:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Dec 2010 19:31:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNsOj-0003JG-Ep for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:31:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNsOg-0003IB-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:31:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNsU9-0002YE-N5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:37:02 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:42684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNsTi-0002Uz-7a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:37:01 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46738 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PNsTg-00047J-5C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:36:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNsTe-0002Ud-AD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:36:31 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:28702) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNsTe-0002UH-4q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:36:30 -0500 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id oB1JaRdc018914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:36:28 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id oB1ImRN0019083 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:36:26 GMT Received: from abhmt015.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 833350091291232183; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:36:23 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 01 Dec 2010 11:36:23 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:36:23 -0800 Message-ID: <7BFEF65E4D2B4C00AC6FC0A6753D4EFD@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcuRjwmI692aTcRXRmO8t6Lzlxd3Dw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Minor suggestions - no bug. 1. No need to tell users to turn on font-lock - it's on by default now (for GNU Emacs at least). 2. Likewise transient-mark mode. 3. Maybe be a little softer with the key-binding suggestions. "Add the following lines to your `.emacs' file" and "The following lines are always needed" are a bit heavy, even though the text clarifies that these are only suggested bindings ("please choose suitable keys yourself", "Choose your own keys"). Many users might just copy & paste without reading carefully. It would probably be enough to advise users to bind those two commands to keys of their choosing, or to just say "Suggested key bindings: ...". In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-11-30 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:01:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7527: 24.0.50; (org) `Activation node' (minor suggestions) Resent-From: Chong Yidong Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7527 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Cc: 7527@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7527-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7527.129284233526129 (code B ref 7527); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 10:53:02 +0000 Received: (at 7527) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2010 10:52:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUdLh-0006nN-SP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 05:52:14 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUdLg-0006nC-En for 7527@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 05:52:12 -0500 Received: from furball (bb116-14-228-227.singnet.com.sg [116.14.228.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oBKAwbbi027036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 05:58:40 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BCFC316246E; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:58:36 +0800 (SGT) From: Chong Yidong References: <7BFEF65E4D2B4C00AC6FC0A6753D4EFD@us.oracle.com> Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:58:36 +0800 In-Reply-To: <7BFEF65E4D2B4C00AC6FC0A6753D4EFD@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 1 Dec 2010 11:36:23 -0800") Message-ID: <87zks04so3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Forwarding documentation suggestions to org upstream: "Drew Adams" writes: > Minor suggestions - no bug. > > 1. No need to tell users to turn on font-lock - it's on by default now > (for GNU Emacs at least). > > 2. Likewise transient-mark mode. > > 3. Maybe be a little softer with the key-binding suggestions. "Add the > following lines to your `.emacs' file" and "The following lines are > always needed" are a bit heavy, even though the text clarifies that > these are only suggested bindings ("please choose suitable keys > yourself", "Choose your own keys"). Many users might just copy & paste > without reading carefully. It would probably be enough to advise users > to bind those two commands to keys of their choosing, or to just say > "Suggested key bindings: ...". > > > In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) > of 2010-11-30 on 3249CTO > Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 > configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags > -Ic:/imagesupport/include' > From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:01:57 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7527: [Orgmode] Re: bug#7527: 24.0.50; (org) `Activation node' (minor suggestions) Resent-From: Carsten Dominik Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7527 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Chong Yidong Cc: Org Mode , drew.adams@oracle.com, 7527@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7527-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7527.129285581627124 (code B ref 7527); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 7527) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Dec 2010 14:36:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUgrA-00073Q-2B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:36:56 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUgpD-00070S-8j for 7527@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:34:56 -0500 Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so5550585bwz.0 for <7527@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:41:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=cO/byH+rvKANwfx0fae1fcXUflHhMrsndx9L2tlDSkA=; b=cU+cdBNx+v5uvarW/j7+h3x7UIFFGqTQ40iDTaHjY1vhJW1tEpcNr7rdIg4hLx3sb3 jaM/1JUDBcVGCguXjEsEQPZRrgDMKO/EhCAilTpkHkbJ6mxEVMS41wEJScnstajSTB98 J5SIhdoKodnX9yR9nOc12O9PcTKavhsTc+C44= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=bbBOTzFOuAmSYeF2ieGv2TPagbgW0p0L/hsDJOsY9Z/AOghFqNu7LU19U/yeMcSZzH l/S3CQ2cMEFqwi5ajQ8aeyCH+GnSQ/XzZtv+Ym35sMjvsylWpJp4Ezo/D9pYvaQC+WcW Xaw1ROjah5imFIXxNnACsqfqVEcda8XrGgEw8= Received: by 10.204.84.32 with SMTP id h32mr3581704bkl.181.1292856082863; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (dslb-088-073-033-098.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.73.33.98]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f20sm1208603bkf.16.2010.12.20.06.41.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 20 Dec 2010 06:41:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <742C2010-8C0E-4BFF-990B-7BE795C19EEC@gmail.com> From: Carsten Dominik In-Reply-To: <87zks04so3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:41:18 +0100 References: <7BFEF65E4D2B4C00AC6FC0A6753D4EFD@us.oracle.com> <87zks04so3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:36:54 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) On Dec 20, 2010, at 11:58 AM, Chong Yidong wrote: > Forwarding documentation suggestions to org upstream: > > "Drew Adams" writes: > >> Minor suggestions - no bug. >> >> 1. No need to tell users to turn on font-lock - it's on by default >> now >> (for GNU Emacs at least). Done. >> >> 2. Likewise transient-mark mode. I think the manual does a good job here the way it is. >> >> 3. Maybe be a little softer with the key-binding suggestions. "Add >> the >> following lines to your `.emacs' file" and "The following lines are >> always needed" are a bit heavy, even though the text clarifies that >> these are only suggested bindings ("please choose suitable keys >> yourself", "Choose your own keys"). Many users might just copy & >> paste >> without reading carefully. It would probably be enough to advise >> users >> to bind those two commands to keys of their choosing, or to just say >> "Suggested key bindings: ...". I have modified this part, thanks. This bug can be closed - the changes are in our development version and will move into Emacs with the next merge. Thanks - Carsten >> >> >> In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) >> of 2010-11-30 on 3249CTO >> Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 >> configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags >> -Ic:/imagesupport/include' >> > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 20 21:36:10 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2010 02:36:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUs5C-0007SR-1A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:36:10 -0500 Received: from vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.147]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PUs5B-0007SH-9q for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:36:09 -0500 Received: from furball (bb116-14-228-227.singnet.com.sg [116.14.228.227]) (authenticated bits=0) by vm-emlprdomr-06.its.yale.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id oBL2gblE016205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:42:39 -0500 Received: by furball (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7F026161DA9; Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:42:36 +0800 (SGT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 7527 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:42:36 +0800 Message-ID: <87hbe76e3n.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 130.132.50.147 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) close 7527 thanks