From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 30 22:46:51 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Dec 2010 03:46:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNded-0005bC-92 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:46:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNdec-0005ay-BW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:46:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNdjk-0002Rh-R7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:52:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:54765) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNdjk-0002RW-P7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:52:08 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35897 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PNdjO-0002LB-2P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:52:08 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNWT0-00076M-Fe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:06:23 -0500 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:61650) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PNWT0-00071g-8W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:06:22 -0500 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id oAUK6GXx012341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:06:17 GMT Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id oAU3xZ5F016978 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:06:14 GMT Received: from abhmt014.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 828063651291147478; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:04:38 -0800 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.217.8) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:34:38 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:34:37 -0800 Message-ID: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcuQxZ/lqQtNT9+AR06wQxvr26cVdg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) emacs -Q You cannot understand a thing about commands `delimit-columns-region' and `delimit-columns-rectangle' without reading the commentary in Lisp file delim-col.el. In sum, there is no help for users - no doc. Not only that, if you are tempted to try these commands on a regular region of text, you will likely see no change at all - the buffer isn't even modified. This is because these commands only affect regions and rectangles that contain text formatted in a certain way. This is all explained in detail in the source file commentary, `delim-col.el'. But none of it is available to users via *Help*. Similarly, the defcustoms are little help. They explain nothing. Users must consult the source file to understand _anything_ about this feature. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-11-22 on 3249CTO Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (4.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 09:54:55 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 13:54:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd0et-0006bb-6U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 09:54:55 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd0ep-0006ay-Qj for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 09:54:52 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd0ee-0005ij-MJ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 15:54:40 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' In-Reply-To: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:34:37 -0800") Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 15:44:29 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAGFBMVEXCipbe8NLa4cri9Nfm 99qra3/Ru7SuXXrCyuUSAAACa0lEQVQ4jVXTQY+iQBAF4GKRcAUZPA8Kw1WE9axAPAsb4LoOGq6E BObv76vqdtY5kU7683VXP8k2NnMQTS6+o+fXiX3j9eLS6A6V2wXO6MZV0u2OYxpV6y7YEIDrT4lt HGbPn9LBPDRYuxYFAzYCeHFV2OFlzCKsb86VNti4AKxnz6nLwcybNwfAIAa3jSTY98tYRoC9c/UI Gxd3ELCkwwpgv6QPY021awvAQe9HBe7HqxtToMHuCU5L+TAPMz2Ba/dHPlKJpGsa1/S+JAPuEDAw JQEgnwNSR5o0qAVkfpWQJHwBMGxCSTgDEoCngRfVhQJ1wSMxDl87p/UGMxEQAYT7lj5Uwk2GDpBf S38qrJ4YqLsA7Blglqe2IE5INCgZZPuptO45VYdOEoxnAg+/zTCSaEosgDedwODR5yNtO5kSwI4T /ggoY4Mk4cgJqd3njYBVPnr0hY3JT3AFOBOe8XYYXS6OzFAAXo3w7mnMQIojAMPfYCS2ycWp9dAn Gbr7aOl9TNEDBpk8K0AM0JNqmgYnSWg+/7Ypj6Q6Wy+gjNoPq7/QLy5OK9VUPQB4x5oCJFgvPQDY AWAkM26mAPdgJa9UDCYNuFmv7yDPqkBJeCWVECrQfe7bbDBlJKo4qST4007WPknTUBwkZShOh2fF D5wb2uqmofycwD1gwBX1+NKS8AJCqag0jTf+Rg/wrAAlfRcHGwsGZWwWVnihT900Bqo4+OLPSFvp MhIGU/fALAG4oq9NezzBHf9atwkv303TCRjJHAAMPYCjwQnr1ZnqdafAWRVHA5+20VQM9/9Ne1Og 4YoeX5uGAzOo/gHSowqYV1z4nAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Boris's _Variations_: "Woman On The Screen" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:drew.adams@oracle.com::CAo7CRbCpUZKI0ne:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000F7Ba X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:7521@debbugs.gnu.org::422e8FcMtMLh0FEv:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000PkRz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qd0ee-0005ij-MJ X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310219680.84806@P5xtT0rE+6mQo9/7+tzR8Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > You cannot understand a thing about commands `delimit-columns-region' > and `delimit-columns-rectangle' without reading the commentary in Lisp > file delim-col.el. In sum, there is no help for users - no doc. I suspect that the workings of delim-col.el are too complicated to be explained in a doc string for any of the commands. If these commands are to be useful to users, I think the proper solution is to document them in the elisp manual. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 11:22:05 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 15:22:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd21E-0005cK-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:22:05 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd21D-0005br-0g for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:22:03 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p62FLtnP010129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:21:56 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p62FLsVR009543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:21:55 GMT Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p62FLnbP015146; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 10:21:49 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.63.244) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 08:21:49 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:21:40 -0700 Message-ID: <06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw4v59V1RVfUIlFQHmJo4BVc6pwiwACy7hw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4E0F3794.00D6:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) > > You cannot understand a thing about commands > > `delimit-columns-region' and `delimit-columns-rectangle' > > without reading the commentary in Lisp > > file delim-col.el. In sum, there is no help for users - no doc. > > I suspect that the workings of delim-col.el are too complicated to be > explained in a doc string for any of the commands. If these commands > are to be useful to users, I think the proper solution is to document > them in the elisp manual. You might be right; I really don't know. My take is that these things are explained in the source-code comments, and that this info needs to be made available to users via help/doc. If the details get transferred to the manual, OK. But even then the doc strings of the various functions (these are user _commands_, after all) need to give some explanation. If we cannot explain these commands at all then maybe that's a sign that the commands themselves are overly complex. A user should be able to get some idea of what to expect from a command by reading its doc string. That s?he might need to consult the manual for more detail is fine. But that's not a reason to have incomprehensible or vacuous doc strings. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 11:45:06 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 15:45:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2NV-0006KO-Jr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:45:05 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2NS-0006GM-Lb for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:45:03 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2NH-0007fd-5E; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:44:51 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' In-Reply-To: <06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:21:40 -0700") Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:34:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com> <06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUYAgdwNSj7v2RXIRsz Dw69ZTUiBgs+heLhAAACUklEQVQ4jV2Ty46jMBBFS+oW6/EYsg8j9rHsZN3INbWHjPe0sPz/n9C3 iqQf4wUCDvW6tyDnfGKWRhu1tlVplbkKMwFEFq6z7CeidxFpOLWS8y5mqfvt5PwbpTz/ak0Z+eic E6m4usvrKTjX9ssBgvP+tKcU2+UlxhQk1tvWyIWgqN0azT3htOZ92wjA+ZykcaNEBl6yT9SRd4vP 1gk9z+57ADcMnnWQ7RPQa3zbaMAg/4MWekHEooC/paJuzwA4pskBOg2gl9g+wbdM3UbdASI3oZ/n CaThs5xysh46G1ABnhvVoQxLNCAwQQGEx9O8jlO5a7FO4z9BvY7jON3TZtVJ/VATqcsKximhDSRu D3Dpah4M9OiDv8Bb41hWy6WgVUwePRzZOMUyDQiI0AArgWWIMbooKc5juY7l7J4A/gUXa4rXcS1r KcvtC6Dd2huYxlISAIqgeHAhGZjWqaxTMhMqtgQhB0BP0zr2LNXWJ6G41JuBcSwA7QDa1a3KAcoP 4NypSg4632LAdiYGjN4DuGKSTF5tZgUqSZM8DKsR2Kn9kmZyXvgJSmbrl7yJKJX/lnVVdQ8gNiD+ g5rmqUDfhQ/AFC0XwA5jS+k5yzegqaomKqjW9H0lDB4WL7uBsdz5cSixaoXw2SLuVqIqQK7ENfHV QHzUFtIu8HOnaM0uMSf2B8ClZhfDZGAJkYtaQsgnYVgOpc7DcndlWgygO7w/9DiXctf1QgjBeF3a 9Qmcgn8AkF6dWB/+LbZ2fwxg/RVMqP0bSMFZKsD7cFgEBY843Ev9AEeN5tNPmQbbAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC X-Now-Playing: Current 93's _All the Pretty Little Horses_: "Calling for Vanished Faces I." X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:drew.adams@oracle.com::IuDFRSPVEVOo7oHR:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000JbHX X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:7521@debbugs.gnu.org::U8PoD9bIHT4vJN3l:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000aikl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qd2NH-0007fd-5E X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310226291.4192@wUMK6MI3Zueg5iLJhTA/gQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > But even then the doc strings of the various functions (these are user > _commands_, after all) need to give some explanation. If we cannot > explain these commands at all then maybe that's a sign that the > commands themselves are overly complex. There are oodles of commands tied to various modes/packages that presume that you're aware of what the general gist of the package is. It wouldn't be very productive to explain the concept of a Message buffer in each message-mode command, for instance. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 11:59:45 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 15:59:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2bh-0007Tg-6q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:59:45 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2bf-0007TT-Dp for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:59:44 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p62FxZAV003677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:59:37 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p62FxZBo027867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:59:35 GMT Received: from abhmt116.oracle.com (abhmt116.oracle.com [141.146.116.68]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p62FxTXh005445; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 10:59:29 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.63.244) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 08:59:29 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com><06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:59:20 -0700 Message-ID: <91E7FDE1A1EE45B6A5E0214F98214207@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw4zwPMP7vdv5OIT6OVuIuht20i1QAAROKw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4E0F4069.0039:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) > > But even then the doc strings of the various functions > > (these are user _commands_, after all) need to give some > > explanation. If we cannot explain these commands at all > > then maybe that's a sign that the > > commands themselves are overly complex. > > There are oodles of commands tied to various modes/packages > that presume that you're aware of what the general gist of > the package is. There is certainly no need and no use in describing the general gist of a package in the doc for each of the packages commands. That's not the point at all. > It wouldn't be very productive to explain the concept of a > Message buffer in each message-mode command, for instance. Of course, but that's not the request. I don't use `message-mode', but I would guess (hope) that the doc for each of its _commands_ describes that command. If there were a `message-mode' command `msg-delete' (fictitious example) that deleted the current message then I would hope its doc string would say that's what it does. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 12:10:45 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 16:10:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2mK-0000AG-Kt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:10:45 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2mJ-0000A4-GR for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:10:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd2m8-00084N-71; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:10:32 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' In-Reply-To: <91E7FDE1A1EE45B6A5E0214F98214207@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:59:20 -0700") Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:10:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com> <06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com> <91E7FDE1A1EE45B6A5E0214F98214207@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUYAgdwNSj7v2RXIRsz Dw69ZTUiBgs+heLhAAACUklEQVQ4jV2Ty46jMBBFS+oW6/EYsg8j9rHsZN3INbWHjPe0sPz/n9C3 iqQf4wUCDvW6tyDnfGKWRhu1tlVplbkKMwFEFq6z7CeidxFpOLWS8y5mqfvt5PwbpTz/ak0Z+eic E6m4usvrKTjX9ssBgvP+tKcU2+UlxhQk1tvWyIWgqN0azT3htOZ92wjA+ZykcaNEBl6yT9SRd4vP 1gk9z+57ADcMnnWQ7RPQa3zbaMAg/4MWekHEooC/paJuzwA4pskBOg2gl9g+wbdM3UbdASI3oZ/n CaThs5xysh46G1ABnhvVoQxLNCAwQQGEx9O8jlO5a7FO4z9BvY7jON3TZtVJ/VATqcsKximhDSRu D3Dpah4M9OiDv8Bb41hWy6WgVUwePRzZOMUyDQiI0AArgWWIMbooKc5juY7l7J4A/gUXa4rXcS1r KcvtC6Dd2huYxlISAIqgeHAhGZjWqaxTMhMqtgQhB0BP0zr2LNXWJ6G41JuBcSwA7QDa1a3KAcoP 4NypSg4632LAdiYGjN4DuGKSTF5tZgUqSZM8DKsR2Kn9kmZyXvgJSmbrl7yJKJX/lnVVdQ8gNiD+ g5rmqUDfhQ/AFC0XwA5jS+k5yzegqaomKqjW9H0lDB4WL7uBsdz5cSixaoXw2SLuVqIqQK7ENfHV QHzUFtIu8HOnaM0uMSf2B8ClZhfDZGAJkYtaQsgnYVgOpc7DcndlWgygO7w/9DiXctf1QgjBeF3a 9Qmcgn8AkF6dWB/+LbZ2fwxg/RVMqP0bSMFZKsD7cFgEBY843Ev9AEeN5tNPmQbbAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC X-Now-Playing: Current 93's _All the Pretty Little Horses_: "The Inmost Light Itself" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:drew.adams@oracle.com::OzfZDh8tVssV71SL:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000JEUA X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:7521@debbugs.gnu.org::Rk/kSXT43+oQJnS0:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000cVSm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qd2m8-00084N-71 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310227832.45067@FKuY91iyNQ24Nsr6CGdunQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > If there were a `message-mode' command `msg-delete' (fictitious > example) that deleted the current message then I would hope its doc > string would say that's what it does. It should, and I think the `delimit-*' functions do, too: ------- delimit-columns-rectangle is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `delim-col.el'. (delimit-columns-rectangle START END) Prettify all columns in a text rectangle. START and END delimits the corners of text rectangle. ------- If you know what this package considers a "column", then I think it's a pretty clear doc string. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 12:29:07 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 16:29:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd347-0001Vd-4l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:29:07 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd345-0001VA-3g for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:29:05 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet22.oracle.com (rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p62GSvjs021573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:28:59 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by rtcsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p62GStnh021940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:28:56 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p62GSog0017165; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:28:50 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.63.244) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 09:28:49 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com><06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com><91E7FDE1A1EE45B6A5E0214F98214207@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 09:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: <674FCB041B0F408FBC47293B656D7C4A@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw40ppOwgolfp/5QY+wetQeAcMZUAAAVDhw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4E0F474B.0053:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) > It should, and I think the `delimit-*' functions do, too: > > delimit-columns-rectangle > Prettify all columns in a text rectangle. > START and END delimits the corners of text rectangle. > > If you know what this package considers a "column", then I > think it's a pretty clear doc string. I'm OK with it if you have documented what's going on in the manual. Thanks. It's the info that is in the commentary of delim-col.el that I wanted added to the doc. If that's available in the manual then it's appropriate that the command doc string just says that it prettifies etc. - that's TRT. It's what "prettify" means that needed to be explained, and I agree that this need not be done in the command doc strings (if it is done in the manual). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 12:30:42 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 16:30:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd35d-0002Oi-Nt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:30:42 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd35c-0002FY-Ak for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:30:41 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd35R-0008Os-1C; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:30:29 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' In-Reply-To: <674FCB041B0F408FBC47293B656D7C4A@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 2 Jul 2011 09:28:41 -0700") Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 18:30:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com> <06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com> <91E7FDE1A1EE45B6A5E0214F98214207@us.oracle.com> <674FCB041B0F408FBC47293B656D7C4A@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAFVBMVEUYAgdwNSj7v2RXIRsz Dw69ZTUiBgs+heLhAAACUklEQVQ4jV2Ty46jMBBFS+oW6/EYsg8j9rHsZN3INbWHjPe0sPz/n9C3 iqQf4wUCDvW6tyDnfGKWRhu1tlVplbkKMwFEFq6z7CeidxFpOLWS8y5mqfvt5PwbpTz/ak0Z+eic E6m4usvrKTjX9ssBgvP+tKcU2+UlxhQk1tvWyIWgqN0azT3htOZ92wjA+ZykcaNEBl6yT9SRd4vP 1gk9z+57ADcMnnWQ7RPQa3zbaMAg/4MWekHEooC/paJuzwA4pskBOg2gl9g+wbdM3UbdASI3oZ/n CaThs5xysh46G1ABnhvVoQxLNCAwQQGEx9O8jlO5a7FO4z9BvY7jON3TZtVJ/VATqcsKximhDSRu D3Dpah4M9OiDv8Bb41hWy6WgVUwePRzZOMUyDQiI0AArgWWIMbooKc5juY7l7J4A/gUXa4rXcS1r KcvtC6Dd2huYxlISAIqgeHAhGZjWqaxTMhMqtgQhB0BP0zr2LNXWJ6G41JuBcSwA7QDa1a3KAcoP 4NypSg4632LAdiYGjN4DuGKSTF5tZgUqSZM8DKsR2Kn9kmZyXvgJSmbrl7yJKJX/lnVVdQ8gNiD+ g5rmqUDfhQ/AFC0XwA5jS+k5yzegqaomKqjW9H0lDB4WL7uBsdz5cSixaoXw2SLuVqIqQK7ENfHV QHzUFtIu8HOnaM0uMSf2B8ClZhfDZGAJkYtaQsgnYVgOpc7DcndlWgygO7w/9DiXctf1QgjBeF3a 9Qmcgn8AkF6dWB/+LbZ2fwxg/RVMqP0bSMFZKsD7cFgEBY843Ev9AEeN5tNPmQbbAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC X-Now-Playing: Current 93's _All the Pretty Little Horses_: "Patripassian" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:7521@debbugs.gnu.org::f/QiomraBaFKfYfS:000000000000000000000000000000000000000000mL/ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110702:drew.adams@oracle.com::ekNGtYRGm4G8xZeB:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000CGFk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qd35R-0008Os-1C X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310229029.24552@md6YwPtc8ef5pxxfV9/euA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > I'm OK with it if you have documented what's going on in the manual. > Thanks. No, I haven't. I was hoping that someone who uses delim-col would write the manual entry for it. :-) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 12:33:22 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2011 16:33:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd38E-0002U7-At for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:33:22 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qd38C-0002Tq-3O for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 12:33:20 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p62GXBiN027350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:33:13 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p62GXABa003120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:33:11 GMT Received: from abhmt102.oracle.com (abhmt102.oracle.com [141.146.116.54]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p62GX5vB017322; Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:33:05 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.63.244) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 09:33:04 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com><06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com><91E7FDE1A1EE45B6A5E0214F98214207@us.oracle.com><674FCB041B0F408FBC47293B656D7C4A@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 09:32:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw41WPFetDWXGNTTMSLQFKt6y2gcgAACSpA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A020207.4E0F484A.0066:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) > > I'm OK with it if you have documented what's going on in the manual. > > Thanks. > > No, I haven't. I was hoping that someone who uses delim-col > would write the manual entry for it. :-) (I don't use it either.) OK, let's hope so. Fortunately, the Lisp file commentary is pretty good. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 03 21:08:31 2011 Received: (at 7521) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 01:08:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdXeI-0001MR-VT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:08:31 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdXeH-0001MG-BY for 7521@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:08:29 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAPMREU5FxIxr/2dsb2JhbABSp3t4iHrBdYY2BJ5chCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,469,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="120222799" Received: from 69-196-140-107.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.140.107]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Jul 2011 21:08:23 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6944A59173; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:08:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#7521: 24.0.50; doc for `delimit-columns-*' Message-ID: References: <6AF7D745DDFA44439FAE15E2647441AF@us.oracle.com> <06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:08:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <06B232927CEE40FC91F8398F1EFDDF97@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 2 Jul 2011 08:21:40 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 7521 Cc: 7521@debbugs.gnu.org, 'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen' X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> > You cannot understand a thing about commands >> > `delimit-columns-region' and `delimit-columns-rectangle' >> > without reading the commentary in Lisp >> > file delim-col.el. In sum, there is no help for users - no doc. >> I suspect that the workings of delim-col.el are too complicated to be >> explained in a doc string for any of the commands. If these commands >> are to be useful to users, I think the proper solution is to document >> them in the elisp manual. > You might be right; I really don't know. My take is that these things > are explained in the source-code comments, and that this info needs to > be made available to users via help/doc. If the details get > transferred to the manual, OK. The Elisp manual does not document all Elisp features and packages. Some packages come with their own manual, and others put their documentation in the Commentary section. IOW, I think the current situation where the doc for delim-col.el is in the Commentary section is "about right". I know that the commentary section may seem "hidden away in the source", but the solution is not to move it elsewhere, but to make it easier to access the Commentary section. 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