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30.0.93; shortdoc-function-examples not autoloaded

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From: Fran Burstall <fran.burstall <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 30.0.93; shortdoc-function-examples not autoloaded
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 15:44:25 +0000

According to the NEWS, there are new functions

shortdoc-function-examples
shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function

and a suggestion to

(add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
    #'shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function)

However, neither function is available until the shortdoc
package is loaded.

Perhaps a couple of autoload cookies are needed here?

Thanks,

---Fran




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Message #8 received at 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Fran Burstall <fran.burstall <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#74995: 30.0.93; shortdoc-function-examples not autoloaded
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 17:56:30 +0200

> From: Fran Burstall <fran.burstall <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 15:44:25 +0000
> 
> 
> According to the NEWS, there are new functions
> 
> shortdoc-function-examples
> shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function
> 
> and a suggestion to
> 
> (add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
>     #'shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function)
> 
> However, neither function is available until the shortdoc
> package is loaded.
> 
> Perhaps a couple of autoload cookies are needed here?

I started "emacs -Q", inserted

    (add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
	#'shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function)

into *scratch*, evaluated it, then typed "C-h f string-replace RET"
and got a *Help* buffer with an example of using string-replace.  So
I'm not sure why you say we need autoload cookies, since the advice in
NEWS seems to work OOTB.  What did I miss?

Thanks.

Message #11 received at 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Fran Burstall (Gmail)" <fran.burstall <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#74995: 30.0.93; shortdoc-function-examples not autoloaded
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 17:08:34 +0000

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Sorry.  It seems that things are slightly more complicated.  I get the same
as you from emacs -Q.

To get what I saw, from emacs -Q, put

(require 'help-fns)  ; something I load, loads this.

(add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
  #'shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function)

into *scratch* and evaluate both forms.  Now doing "C-h append RET" causes:

help-fns--run-describe-functions: Symbol’s function definition is void:
shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function

Thanks,

---Fran


On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 at 15:56, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> > From: Fran Burstall <fran.burstall <at> gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 15:44:25 +0000
> >
> >
> > According to the NEWS, there are new functions
> >
> > shortdoc-function-examples
> > shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function
> >
> > and a suggestion to
> >
> > (add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
> >     #'shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function)
> >
> > However, neither function is available until the shortdoc
> > package is loaded.
> >
> > Perhaps a couple of autoload cookies are needed here?
>
> I started "emacs -Q", inserted
>
>     (add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
>         #'shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function)
>
> into *scratch*, evaluated it, then typed "C-h f string-replace RET"
> and got a *Help* buffer with an example of using string-replace.  So
> I'm not sure why you say we need autoload cookies, since the advice in
> NEWS seems to work OOTB.  What did I miss?
>
> Thanks.
>

[Message part 2 (text/html, inline)]

Message #14 received at 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: fran.burstall <at> gmail.com
Cc: 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#74995: 30.0.93; shortdoc-function-examples not autoloaded
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 22:07:22 +0200

> From: "Fran Burstall (Gmail)" <fran.burstall <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 17:08:34 +0000
> Cc: 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Sorry.  It seems that things are slightly more complicated.  I get the same as you from emacs -Q.  
> 
> To get what I saw, from emacs -Q, put 
> 
> (require 'help-fns)  ; something I load, loads this.
> 
> (add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
>   #'shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function)
> 
> into *scratch* and evaluate both forms.  Now doing "C-h append RET" causes:
> 
> help-fns--run-describe-functions: Symbol’s function definition is void: shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function

Thanks, should be fixed now on the emacs-30 branch.

Message #23 received at 74995-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: fran.burstall <at> gmail.com
Cc: 74995-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#74995: 30.0.93; shortdoc-function-examples not autoloaded
Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2025 13:37:06 +0200

> Cc: 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 22:07:22 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> 
> > From: "Fran Burstall (Gmail)" <fran.burstall <at> gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 17:08:34 +0000
> > Cc: 74995 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > 
> > Sorry.  It seems that things are slightly more complicated.  I get the same as you from emacs -Q.  
> > 
> > To get what I saw, from emacs -Q, put 
> > 
> > (require 'help-fns)  ; something I load, loads this.
> > 
> > (add-hook 'help-fns-describe-function-functions
> >   #'shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function)
> > 
> > into *scratch* and evaluate both forms.  Now doing "C-h append RET" causes:
> > 
> > help-fns--run-describe-functions: Symbol’s function definition is void: shortdoc-help-fns-examples-function
> 
> Thanks, should be fixed now on the emacs-30 branch.

no further comments, so I'm now closing this bug.

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