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Thu, 19 Dec 2024 03:39:10 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Lawrence To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Document date representations in calendar Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 09:39:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87y10cm5i0.fsf@recursewithless.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=103.168.172.156; envelope-from=rwl@recursewithless.net; helo=fhigh-a5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Severity: minor As discussed in this thread: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2024-12/msg00291.html it would be nice to have better documentation of the date representations used by calendar.el. Opening a bug so I can send a patch with a bug number. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Tags: patch Here is a patch documenting these representations in a comment. From b81f80ca621836ff8a7bc6ae446f9abd1455d242 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Richard Lawrence Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2024 20:46:34 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] Document representation o [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED RBL: ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. [103.168.172.156 listed in sa-accredit.habeas.com] 0.0 RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED RBL: ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. 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(Bug#74965) --- lisp/calendar/calendar.el | 17 +++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 17 insertions(+) diff --git a/lisp/calendar/calendar.el b/lisp/calendar/calendar.el index 60d8fdd6aee..54b5aebbd8b 100644 --- a/lisp/calendar/calendar.el +++ b/lisp/calendar/calendar.el @@ -90,6 +90,23 @@ ;; ;; +;; As described in more detail in that literature, a Gregorian calendar +;; date in this file is represented as a list of integers (MONTH DAY YEAR). +;; See the functions +;; `calendar-extract-year', +;; `calendar-extract-month', and +;; `calendar-extract-day' +;; which act as accessors for this representation. + +;; The calendar functions in this and related files also use an +;; "absolute" representation, which is an integer number of days since +;; December 31, 1BC on the Gregorian calendar. This representation is +;; useful for certain calculations; e.g. `calendar-day-of-week' is +;; simply the absolute represention modulo 7, because December 31, 1BC +;; is a Sunday. The absolute representation is also to convert between +;; different calendar scales: see e.g. +;; `calendar-absolute-from-gregorian' in this file and +;; `calendar-iso-from-absolute' in cal-iso.el. ;; A note on free variables: -- 2.39.5 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 21 06:01:42 2024 Received: (at 74965-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Dec 2024 11:01:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45477 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tOxEs-0003M8-Ew for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2024 06:01:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tOxEp-0003Lr-2U for 74965-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2024 06:01:41 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tOxEj-0006Kj-Q0; Sat, 21 Dec 2024 06:01:33 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=hWvcR5/k7JosjP+pOMmYjh0LKt9Gly2SNm0SUCk3NYY=; b=lhWxqOGV6gPu VyZ780AMk6TCj4GRDAB3f5C6FfEBV0yHOu0lFKIKZ9adnBptfRFM4deFcU6Qj8YKRjFxF2/23fgys b4VAQZS9oRSjYtraNQYRBKELB/bkmlk2tLuwFGythO/msAWJpGY8HAS1waoSXh/s98hDjIr5f6enp ZKQ3N3TAVyTSqHlqIn0wHHeROxOwcWDRVlWlsK3pJmsLWxCxat6eYSfMgzhFHDLeXisaOQqbb9hYQ qVbqgWQv96UlgDsBYUWt7Uby2SUn5iWsDQOCjz5/OY0w99O1L6WOomc5HZ9PKdNxLw+/Tnq/Vy7se 4/eRBCJrrQeuQLXBKMrzvA==; Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2024 13:01:27 +0200 Message-Id: <86v7vd7114.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Richard Lawrence In-Reply-To: <87v7vgm552.fsf@recursewithless.net> (message from Richard Lawrence on Thu, 19 Dec 2024 09:46:49 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#74965: [PATCH] Document representation of dates in calendar.el References: <87y10cm5i0.fsf@recursewithless.net> <87v7vgm552.fsf@recursewithless.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74965-done Cc: 74965-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Lawrence > Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 09:46:49 +0100 > > Here is a patch documenting these representations in a comment. Thanks. Most of this I already installed using your previous patch. So now I just added the missing info to what was already there. And with that, I'm closing this bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 22 23:13:38 2024 Received: (at 74965) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2024 04:13:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52787 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tPZp3-0003vY-K6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 23:13:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48642) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tPZp2-0003vJ-0i for 74965@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 23:13:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPZmq-0001kb-F0; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 23:11:20 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=mzURVXnPETaQvyUQO1P2iAnv5Ou21AOpG0gu04r3yeI=; b=lbHBzxIiS6DQ CRxxs+PGQg8N2lnFAYSlZZjDt+kXyBAlx2Vixm6cb9reCAdcaHCTDmlBOz5gpGl/FD5xaUbnnlw7y ySu+CZ+A8wAbUix0DpdHyKr7uEqqIF6CR4aE9phAwEKvvvW+FOXcXQ6/GIfCbFpmbNeXAkdh+i8e+ K7nnLht1th3a5W3oHpQgKG7SLbFsq+O1h92mU9VBxsFNEofIxBrhr9eVSeN2Rw0o+xrDFHYQTGEWk 7rdPWfNrTEs+TtcCUUyWjQZzzw8RolqNBrvA0pBMkmbB4YQoaZ0XmMgAAdQD+n/b6a9BKqhtVwgo0 4FwZ3qv2BQafuJPmUNzvmw==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPZmp-0000VC-Sr; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 23:11:19 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Richard Lawrence In-Reply-To: <87v7vgm552.fsf@recursewithless.net> (message from Richard Lawrence on Thu, 19 Dec 2024 09:46:49 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#74965: [PATCH] Document representation of dates in calendar.el References: <87y10cm5i0.fsf@recursewithless.net> <87v7vgm552.fsf@recursewithless.net> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 23:11:19 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74965 Cc: 74965@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Thanks for improving our code's readabilty. There are other files in Emacs which could benefit from such improvement. Would you ever be in hje mood to do more? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 23 03:48:59 2024 Received: (at 74965) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2024 08:48:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53282 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tPe7X-0000nQ-1w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 03:48:59 -0500 Received: from fhigh-a8-smtp.messagingengine.com ([103.168.172.159]:38829) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tPe7V-0000n8-3T for 74965@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 03:48:58 -0500 Received: from phl-compute-04.internal (phl-compute-04.phl.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailfhigh.phl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95861140158; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 03:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from phl-mailfrontend-01 ([10.202.2.162]) by phl-compute-04.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 23 Dec 2024 03:48:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= recursewithless.net; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1734943731; x=1735030131; bh=TaQJYDBDLXi5d0fiWgz1wyc39qOf0kNM2YFy89gKHt4=; b= 3BvaK2yZovv7Joayet2k2wbag3LO198HhZkTmV6IitmCwiOtkDsYANfd/ZgGj5Ou CiqJNlR7d/SFSr0Li8VuL5fWNXdCNCn1VmiPsq3HtPL3WDS6kw/Scchhvc2eeEgF ilekqdmbm/qsQPV2pXei8OVdQ+bNy1B0/WPZrA0t6zvmfu+C8xAAQd28zGxpD+gl YhJED6x772heA/xJnkIq+OmMgxVo+8BsAqzlcKp2uq/iJ9MvyQSxao2s+pOnjIFy poP+CBJ7dxfoosa5SjOEQEqSlfs3y5/wJteX1lErehPI/oLxafdBQEqSn8kfyBLX vy2x4nPOyA2gKlD9f/GiIw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to :to:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t= 1734943731; x=1735030131; bh=TaQJYDBDLXi5d0fiWgz1wyc39qOf0kNM2YF y89gKHt4=; b=Ja8Rk/F4nTU0yObeagDbxYT3ME0VVJk80bunSr8Dzpwkuiwr1xk q++Rxaptj/nJA0l8wYAbOzqMe4FspTVigW70ULGuKzygtNQTusEDHlg7rmiazOz8 a7Bd5G7U5VFj2AQMq3AZsym8qm6xBtb9b4MhRmIKNZx7S5YSk6H033+uowkFbWlb +bUZoSuyuDWm5cQlgEkxpZX01NkvDVZgX+WtNtYmLSHUXTDKkGoV3ofzK8Kn4qYC 9mcn9+YPUWjPTVu29+k1ojCTQSwnUH1YdX22dx5W2+G86KZzZfgE8MjoepMnHuTl 9c3+sY+Kh5CW+ETrb4APy1fPUjSm+XEJrOA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefuddruddtledguddvvdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdp uffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvve fujghffffkgggtsehttdertddttddtnecuhfhrohhmpeftihgthhgrrhguucfnrgifrhgv nhgtvgcuoehrfihlsehrvggtuhhrshgvfihithhhlhgvshhsrdhnvghtqeenucggtffrrg htthgvrhhnpeefueffvdeffeeftdeutdfgjeettdduveduudefjedtkeejgfehhedvgffg ffduhfenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpe hrfihlsehrvggtuhhrshgvfihithhhlhgvshhsrdhnvghtpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedv pdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopehrmhhssehgnhhurdhorhhgpdhrtg hpthhtohepjeegleeiheesuggvsggsuhhgshdrghhnuhdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: if7394488:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 03:48:51 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Lawrence To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#74965: [PATCH] Document representation of dates in calendar.el In-Reply-To: References: <87y10cm5i0.fsf@recursewithless.net> <87v7vgm552.fsf@recursewithless.net> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2024 09:48:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87pllin5se.fsf@recursewithless.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74965 Cc: 74965@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > Thanks for improving our code's readabilty. > > There are other files in Emacs which could benefit from such improvement. > Would you ever be in hje mood to do more? Yes, of course. If there is already a list somewhere, I'd be happy to look over it and see if there's anything I can contribute. Otherwise, I'll keep this in mind and will send more patches like this when I encounter such files. 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[185.216.177.71 listed in sa-accredit.habeas.com] 1.2 INVALID_MSGID Message-Id is not valid, according to RFC 2822 X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74965 Cc: 74965@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Lawrence X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Richard Stallman writes: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Thanks for improving our code's readabilty. > > There are other files in Emacs which could benefit from such improvement. There are some modes which could have more documentation on internal functions to explain better what they are doing such as in Gnus. I would say anything which doesn't receive move love these days could require these kinds of improvements. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 24 23:50:32 2024 Received: (at 74965) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2024 04:50:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35797 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tQJLs-0004KH-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:50:32 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60572) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tQJLp-0004K3-Kn for 74965@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:50:30 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQJJe-0002aO-Pc; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:48:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To: From; bh=zFuzDVoPd+3BJmnBV2iQL4fFKXctCgUxV3Nliyb98Ko=; b=ZjVclObeRCtD8VSfyU9R DmixiC4D0T4x97R5hNegsourRQEJBekye5rBNaFCKIW5Cm8jDYiVDXM7wl3hghI4hYk9Rg4t/1XKn ZjgUoHe5aCSpxDVI4L1ADY/JJufOViXA2kyfJkvyfED02j+UxE5TNVkhkL2tdvCMmEcWN7ng2HXeD nuHKMsPy/CWZz1N51x7ZFDB5Dut/NEBdwcmtWrnSjApaQgbVKzWZDh0Ar0k6F7GNdCDJnoyzKlpxp cJH5g4h1kK8qEujY5790loT3bdmlyXU+5b/4XlOzfFvFa/vsa7ukHSIpiO4Y+AGoPTsY/A55INzQE 5VJMkgE56pbrQw==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQJJe-0002UB-3C; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:48:14 -0500 From: Richard Stallman To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar In-Reply-To: <87ikrav96y.fsf@> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar on Mon, 23 Dec 2024 15:08:05 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#74965: [PATCH] Document representation of dates in calendar.el References: <87y10cm5i0.fsf@recursewithless.net> <87v7vgm552.fsf@recursewithless.net> <87ikrav96y.fsf@> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:48:14 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74965 Cc: 74965@debbugs.gnu.org, rwl@recursewithless.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > There are some modes which could have more documentation on internal > functions to explain better what they are doing such as in Gnus. Yes, that is crucial for clear code. But what we really want, to make a program easy to read and understand, goes beyond that. It should have an introduction which explains the parts of the program, and how they relate in terms of jobs they do, and what the entry points are for each part. Patr of this is explicitly dividng the program into parts and starting each part with a comment saying what that part does and how to use it. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 24 23:51:06 2024 Received: (at 74965) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2024 04:51:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35802 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tQJMQ-0004Lw-FV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:51:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53632) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tQJMO-0004LK-Fl for 74965@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:51:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQJKB-0002nU-Vb; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:48:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=8DgUpsOKFkG1A0Kd86SZjxLRHqUR1gPlp6HLJQI8Dyk=; b=Uv80nULZ4soX rZXzRzEq5OXlg7q+aX8GSJM5Pkz+R1hg+zAtnukYMjK3hWVJwk9YTWrkcnU24RuLNbpupEtQHkerq bTtTiCUEWt9QSz7oj0/t8t6jovVycfGuk14HxNcu4QRbH62/sKFpiM26EpSb4Y7QGAUT/qyW0NszM u9y43EIEP+Q7gV+ECZbly4iPm3y3UChrOxLTgtfd+9YUlb+/zsJ9BRKqwB1djAncnTkF5rb1NOiTa /mnu6s8AWqOAk2PqCEYHa729LPDjfMp9c3PLFLuVk/SP/pzyaHiokgdZyRwvT9F3gFeQEH4uT/Idi 863V8iQGBgPJHdxol3CGFw==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQJKB-0002cv-0J; Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:48:47 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Richard Lawrence In-Reply-To: <87pllin5se.fsf@recursewithless.net> (message from Richard Lawrence on Mon, 23 Dec 2024 09:48:49 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#74965: [PATCH] Document representation of dates in calendar.el References: <87y10cm5i0.fsf@recursewithless.net> <87v7vgm552.fsf@recursewithless.net> <87pllin5se.fsf@recursewithless.net> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2024 23:48:47 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74965 Cc: 74965@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Yes, of course. If there is already a list somewhere, I'd be happy to > look over it and see if there's anything I can contribute. Otherwise, > I'll keep this in mind and will send more patches like this when I > encounter such files. I ave observed that parts of epa.el and epg.el are hard to follow. If you can figure it out, writing down the understanding you've acquired would make future maitenance easier. Especially for how it reads passwords. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:05:21 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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