From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 26 12:05:18 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2010 17:05:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PM1jZ-0002IA-Dc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:05:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PM1jW-0002Hw-In for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:05:15 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PM1ol-0006FV-H4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:10:40 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_DKIM_INVALID,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:33916) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PM1ol-0006FR-BJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:10:39 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=43538 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PM1oj-0003O8-Ol for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:10:39 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PM1od-0006DN-F8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:10:37 -0500 Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com ([74.125.83.169]:52501) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PM1od-0006D6-7L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 12:10:31 -0500 Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so2018031pvc.0 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:10:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=HYZm4M22fGHlIms+jLf+wrJ6dUbI7oczss/0unaRl/E=; b=ut1/hrwyntu3hce0g9c/0XVrd7F2prIF69d7svH68I+0TlmgPKNRuUTK0vVRukYW1r GeF9dTrimNfNrX3nDXxVdzyA7P3Ur+yOFdqvXOKDYkNplmnd2xJmzqBtEMd+srRH7mm3 wNqk5VNczcRBhiggPrGXtsOMsdpaadD0RRsu0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; b=vyZonc3dXuCqdyMu8LiC5a8Q2wpQIAcACD43aMrbWbgaM1bbXc4eSEACjEghsc08zF Z9jXJfy4t1A+Ko4OI/eiarf9XjCBbqufEpZMlSoQXcqTgpPHhqW8y/7P+TJA15fEHLoq GrM6iC0lDyfR8QwSbzRarVPuQUPoJLwPGhhJs= Received: by 10.142.170.13 with SMTP id s13mr2641363wfe.139.1290791430156; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([120.141.17.30]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y42sm2780046wfd.22.2010.11.26.09.10.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 26 Nov 2010 09:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CF9101B0B; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 01:10:21 +0800 (MYT) From: Jason Rumney To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 01:10:21 +0800 Message-ID: <87mxowvwn6.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) I updated from bzr for the first time in a few months today, and immediately ran into problems with Gnus. My Gnus related variables are: '(gnus-select-method (quote (nnimap "localhost"))) '(gnus-sieve-crosspost nil) '(gnus-sieve-file "~/.sieve.d/Gnus.sieve") everything else is set to defaults. Upon starting Gnus, some of my groups are showing unread articles in the summary buffer, including groups which I only manually move articles into, and which I have not touched for months. After entering these groups, I see some old articles that I have ticked, and some lines saying that an article has not been downloaded (I have fixed the problem now, and I did not have the foresight to note down the exact text). It seems gnus-agent (which I never explicitly enabled, but have had problems with in past upgrades after it was enabled by default) is out of sync with the server, and deleting the ~/News/agent directory fixed the problem. Now when I start Gnus, I get the message nnimap (localhost) open error: 'Unable to contact localhost:imaps via ssl'. Continue? I answer 'y', expecting Gnus to continue using imap, as I configured it, but get the following messages: Reading /home/jasonr/.newsrc.eld... Opening nnimap server on localhost... Denied server nnimap+localhost Opening nnimap server on localhost...failed: Unable to contact localhost:imaps via ssl This is a terrible user experience. Trying SSL first is a good feature, but if it fails, Gnus should fall back to using plain imap as the user has configured. It isn't even obvious to me what variable I have to set to access plain imap anymore. Following this, I configured Gnus to use imaps (which I have configured on a non-standard port to get through certain firewalls but never bothered to use before on localhost), and now run into a third problem. Upon logging in, I am prompted to add my login credentials to ~/.authinfo.gpg. This brings up a confusing buffer asking me to mark a public key, which I have discovered by trial and error only works if I select no public keys so it falls back on symetric encryption. After entering an encryption password twice, I was able to read my mail at last. But my problems aren't over yet. When I quit Gnus and start it again, my encryption password for authinfo.gpg doesn't appear to work. Actually, it is working, because if I enter a different password, it fails immediately, whereas if I enter the correct password it loops forever asking for my password (maybe not forever, but my patience for finding out is limited). Using C-x C-f to find ~/.authinfo.gpg works after entering the password once, the the problem seems to be particular to the way Gnus is opening the file, not a general problem with file decryption. The messages from this failure are below. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.22.0) of 2010-11-25 on wanchan Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10900000 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_NZ.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t cua-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: Recent messages: /home/jasonr/.authin: 100% (96/96) /home/jasonr/.authin: 0% (0/96) /home/jasonr/.authin: 100% (96/96) /home/jasonr/.authin: 0% (0/96) /home/jasonr/.authin: 100% (96/96) /home/jasonr/.authin: 0% (0/96) Unable to open server nnimap+localhost due to: Opening input file: Can't decrypt, ((exit) (quit)) nnimap (localhost) open error: ''. Continue? n Couldn't open server on localhost Warning: Unable to open server nnimap+localhost due to: Opening input file: Can't decrypt, ((exit) (quit)) Load-path shadows: None found. 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So I'm just closing this report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 08 11:55:29 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2010 16:55:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNIf-0005wS-Hn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:55:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNId-0005w8-Lp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:55:28 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNOL-0007C2-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:01:25 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:39194) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNOL-0007By-L2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:01:21 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59666 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQNOG-0006N4-M3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:01:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNOA-0007AQ-2a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:01:16 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169]:54885) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNO9-0007A9-Uo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:01:10 -0500 Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so5496781qyk.14 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:01:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=6rB2RSgjalzTzo8iK1JaZfw1LnbUeU/LxmpCGS1tFhI=; b=g1ujuUB3fZPdhDhfwM3ae7EqRQZXRocAtnxsb8ST2DMGkNTV58mZfy9su5evJ+McX1 tvYIpzqC9JjpVvliEYpGgFGwIspjsx2XwE/qwrl/jwmMMC5RHTE2exq+JxKdaXGYNq5K F2LGCG3ToRIg1UXDoIrQyAZzM3nrZI36wPEYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=TCmUEg04dWTIUqXipLIKikr7DdNI5snImlqZR8bC6jiU/xtOSj0Bbap7MX5R2zcP9W l1f4WVcDCOhhMHD7f5TPpeuyZlg5uYQMvdQu7jQxfKL3aK0vpqI4gKWOg/FR0TQQBA69 p2U4WMslszv8ijWmKEnLQEz3i/OGhl2SpWaSY= Received: by 10.224.127.40 with SMTP id e40mr7187876qas.266.1291827669133; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:01:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([120.141.76.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l14sm476680qck.41.2010.12.08.09.01.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B07418D7; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:00:59 +0800 (MYT) From: Jason Rumney To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken References: Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 01:00:58 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 28 Nov 2010 03:56:21 +0100") Message-ID: <877hfknqr9.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> It seems gnus-agent (which I never explicitly enabled, but have had >> problems with in past upgrades after it was enabled by default) is out >> of sync with the server, and deleting the ~/News/agent directory fixed >> the problem. > > Gnus has stopped enabling the Agent by default now, but older > installations can still get in the way. I've Cc'd this to the Gnus > mailing list -- do any of you know why the Agent got so wildly out of > what with nnimap in the past? In earlier versions, Agent did not work well when other mail clients were also reading and moving mail around on the same imap account. I think that has not been a problem since Emacs 23. This time, I think the sync problems happened in mail groups that had not been entered by Gnus on this machine recently, but had had new mail read on other machines. My guess is that Agent only updates its indexes when you enter the group, so it can get out of sync in cases where mail is read elsewhere. >> Following this, I configured Gnus to use imaps (which I have configured on a >> non-standard port to get through certain firewalls but never bothered to >> use before on localhost), and now run into a third problem. > > I don't follow you here. How did you configure Gnus to use imaps? And > since that's the default, isn't that what failed? I mean imaps as a protocol (SSL enabled imap), not as a port name. As I mentioned, I am running this on a non-standard port in order to get it through a particular firewall. >> But my problems aren't over yet. When I quit Gnus and start it again, >> my encryption password for authinfo.gpg doesn't appear to work. >> Actually, it is working, because if I enter a different password, it >> fails immediately, whereas if I enter the correct password it loops >> forever asking for my password (maybe not forever, but my patience for >> finding out is limited). > > Weird. Could you > > (setq debug-on-quit t) > > and then `C-g' when it starts asking you again and again? Post the > backtrace here. Will do. I suspect this problem may also be related to the non-standard port. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 08 12:00:02 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2010 17:00:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNN3-00064O-Ui for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:00:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNN2-00063v-3y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:00:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNSn-00083C-74 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:05:58 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:51437) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNSn-000838-4o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:05:57 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35196 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQNSm-0008I5-5M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:05:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNSi-00082Q-4F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:05:55 -0500 Received: from mail-pw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:57522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQNSh-00082M-Ue for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 12:05:52 -0500 Received: by pwi6 with SMTP id 6so460980pwi.0 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:05:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:sender:received:from:to :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version:content-type; bh=XvUKRLaKIOZrd6WSqosfrTWDnAwJg8QNEszJDwJ1ous=; b=nfS/PpmCPetWoXAT7lvlpeK9puavH/EGU27HiB6GBRnrAIn9wMvjm45jWamdlko6DB ZgqG7s0p4+CEPICcBZ9sOuyU/yN8Cd9l4GlB05WrJZl/ldHxAJcrl6fc0IKKLsAWwRzJ ezoN9usdZssl0FnQtpAOMp0kWlskwGChf7FlM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=Cl8vefu2qM9tEyY3o/r1NGzp4jDOlVcMDT9KILqcIkUJB6YhzgpUeCdZINt4+th3qy 79z9HMVH662xVWowCKHhQVNthUPwM5YhKVcD2FBffypHnJmNo9wYTE7/CrA2u88qrxDb 1nGHl2cRdThW+bMMBmorZ3RnYow4u5IXzm748= Received: by 10.142.148.18 with SMTP id v18mr2858126wfd.209.1291827950669; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.jasonrumney.net ([120.141.76.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f5sm1079811wfg.14.2010.12.08.09.05.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D1C3718D7; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 01:05:43 +0800 (MYT) From: Jason Rumney To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken References: Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 01:05:43 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 28 Nov 2010 03:56:21 +0100") Message-ID: <87ei9sdwk8.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> But my problems aren't over yet. When I quit Gnus and start it again, >> my encryption password for authinfo.gpg doesn't appear to work. >> Actually, it is working, because if I enter a different password, it >> fails immediately, whereas if I enter the correct password it loops >> forever asking for my password (maybe not forever, but my patience for >> finding out is limited). > > Weird. Could you > > (setq debug-on-quit t) > > and then `C-g' when it starts asking you again and again? Post the > backtrace here. This seems to be fixed now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 09 10:23:45 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2010 15:23:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQiLQ-0006ud-J7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:23:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQiLN-0006uR-QF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:23:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQiRB-0002H3-6b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:29:42 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:32793) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQiRB-0002Gz-3Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:29:41 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54867 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQiR8-0007hW-Nz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:29:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQiR5-0002Eu-PV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:29:38 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:60685 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQiR5-0002EO-Mt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 10:29:35 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmkKABKEAE1FpZR3/2dsb2JhbACVVo0MgRl5wCeDEoI4BIRkjgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,320,1288584000"; d="scan'208";a="84951754" Received: from 69-165-148-119.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([69.165.148.119]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 09 Dec 2010 10:29:34 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 2718A6616B; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:32:20 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken Message-ID: References: Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 18:32:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 28 Nov 2010 03:56:21 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) >> It seems gnus-agent (which I never explicitly enabled, but have had >> problems with in past upgrades after it was enabled by default) is out >> of sync with the server, and deleting the ~/News/agent directory fixed >> the problem. > Gnus has stopped enabling the Agent by default now, but older > installations can still get in the way. I've Cc'd this to the Gnus > mailing list -- do any of you know why the Agent got so wildly out of > what with nnimap in the past? I need the Agent with nnimap. And I think Gnus should enable the Agent everywhere by default nowadays. Most/all other MUAs do. > that I'm tempted to go back to just storing this data in the plain-text > ~/.authinfo file until all this has been worked out. No!!!! Or only after prompting the user five times for (different) confirmation. > When writing the ~/.authinfo.gpg file, the user should be queried one > thing: "Password for ~/.authinfo.gpg: ****". And that's it, in my > extremely humble opinion. I partly agree, though some users won't have a key-pair setup, others will have several, so the right thing to do may be either to use symmetric encryption, or to guess which key-pair to use, and since it's a guess there needs to be a way for the user to override the guess. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 09 16:09:48 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2010 21:09:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnkJ-0007Fk-NZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:09:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnkH-0007FQ-FJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:09:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnq5-0000R5-A5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:46 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:44581) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnq5-0000R0-5t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:45 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34059 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQnq2-00089h-Fg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnpx-0000Ou-Vm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:42 -0500 Received: from smtp.getmail.no ([84.208.15.66]:44586) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnpx-0000G8-QQ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:37 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain Received: from get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net ([10.5.16.4]) by get-mta-out03.get.basefarm.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-0.04 64bit (built Jun 20 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LD600LSMJ15QY30@get-mta-out03.get.basefarm.net>; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:15:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id A10691EEF7F5_D0146D9B; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:15:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.getmail.no (unknown [10.5.16.4]) by get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id 7F6F71EEF816_D0146D8F; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:15:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from quimbies.gnus.org ([84.215.34.171]) by get-mta-in02.get.basefarm.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-0.04 64bit (built Jun 20 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LD600IVSJ14MF30@get-mta-in02.get.basefarm.net>; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:15:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from larsi by quimbies.gnus.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnpQ-0003EF-8Q; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:15:04 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Jason Rumney Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken In-reply-to: <877hfknqr9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:15:02 +0100 Message-id: References: <877hfknqr9.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAHlBMVEUgCwiXd3IuFQ7h3t4I AAFrQjcTBAQ9HxZOLCD///+eNuQhAAACYklEQVQ4ja3TMY+bMBQAYMtKIauFrCZbhHqBFTGxocjy 7tM9wWhFkXPjFR2B8YLi4jVi4t/2QZJOrSpdC4lj+Hg2fs8h5CCMXFrOeMC4LQyhoQXIRrIV2hjf AXCVlOqr0X7ooEVY5MSYxgLnXJVQHnQUObATEOItEQDO5XMNCx36t6EW+3Cx82hsoYWPqD/pxxzG r4TIpwsAEtk3Q8KaT6C7gzjsI6sUYxehN5JGls3wIXKPtmfG0qQQupI0rGcw1YJIv7UMDzjkjdGk 5uU0uW+8PG4LwPvqXUZCkhb6CeSGHJ96cK5UcJlAx9CtR+IJQeOmtdxBCSfZfpM6ekBENaVuWuRF 2k6YB+x7Q6KwQVAv4rUWxn/AxqPO9TUo9iJ2hTD0DlobTCic+QTygnPeQRI9Aa6cvYuj6xba3oda 7LAe+HzATnkYtl0+RxyMEZge4IwF/LShUVtub0CE2DZWITBebcJlaX/MQx0w6VhNxTkwgLl8v8BU sVVYdARCG1e+1TeQx9BiuRXj5bPRVdNt2gkwoInVCuunVu4ttrFdne6w6yxzFs6saJZQOij0HaLG 8h56hOjMlmH1IWfYR80T9N+hUtxaVrQWnm+gdViXFHqfrTDvVYVVknGPYFrPnpauOrLCQqcxCZWM p4h8k/fmS7995aGrPNo0TSjjCgFTlN4+STL10xTbBDfD+IfjEzCMaZam4zhk2ZBhd2pmSMZ1cMV7 wYibN0uu1/EOwTpYXzFmPa5ZMl6vw/RK8xzrAMMHBGzSNMFv+pe3yobpN8MTu8O/rON/AO489dvs 4p/RfiLt6U+CNLFSlUKKlQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: The Art of Noise's _And What Have You Done With My Body, God? (1)_: "Once Upon a Lime" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: bugs@gnus.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) Jason Rumney writes: > My guess is that Agent only updates its indexes when you enter the > group, so it can get out of sync in cases where mail is read elsewhere. The Agent should ideally just "extend" the article storage, but otherwise be invisible to the user. I think that, at the very least, the Agent storage for a particular group should be nuked if the UIDVALIDITY of the IMAP mailbox changes, but I'm not sure that's sufficient. And it's not been easy to find out what the failure modes actually are, because when people get problems in this area, they ask for advice, and are told "rm -r", and things just work. But it doesn't help debugging any. :-/ >>> Following this, I configured Gnus to use imaps (which I have configured on a >>> non-standard port to get through certain firewalls but never bothered to >>> use before on localhost), and now run into a third problem. >> >> I don't follow you here. How did you configure Gnus to use imaps? And >> since that's the default, isn't that what failed? > > I mean imaps as a protocol (SSL enabled imap), not as a port name. As I > mentioned, I am running this on a non-standard port in order to get it > through a particular firewall. Ah, right. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 09 16:09:48 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2010 21:09:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnkK-0007Fo-4M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:09:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnkH-0007FP-FI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:09:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnq5-0000Qw-4V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:46 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:44580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnq4-0000Qs-VX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:45 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34027 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQnq1-00088z-6A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnpx-0000Om-NQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:41 -0500 Received: from smtp.getmail.no ([84.208.15.66]:44586) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnpx-0000G8-Fx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:15:37 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain Received: from get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net ([10.5.16.4]) by get-mta-out03.get.basefarm.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-0.04 64bit (built Jun 20 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LD600LSFJ14QY30@get-mta-out03.get.basefarm.net> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:15:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 985E31EEF819_D0146D8B for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:15:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.getmail.no (unknown [10.5.16.4]) by get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id 62D941EEF80A_D0146D8F for ; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:15:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from quimbies.gnus.org ([84.215.34.171]) by get-mta-in02.get.basefarm.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-0.04 64bit (built Jun 20 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LD600IVQJ14MF30@get-mta-in02.get.basefarm.net> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:15:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from larsi by quimbies.gnus.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PQnpQ-0003EC-4G; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:15:04 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:10:35 +0100 Message-id: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEUcCQoSBAWRYjVIJBop EA/cNzw6AAACdklEQVQ4jW1U0bXsIAjEKwXo2RRwj6YAIxSggf5rukOy7++Z/cg6MMAAIcFpTfw9 +KMmuijRbHHkixiQCTMAz30XWc4aHmHYXR+gz+5OnJ0c1hIAPwDcie2+fRH4gYjy10OIcs6mB7lG /OVEkZSsLODTzuQGSMmUJkx8+UONm+yibgzW1sMi65N2X3hRz54XIVNx5vDA2aw3svZMT3CnZcjg AcQQ2vwtUKjcp9xgu9hQ0kJJD4D6pPsD5LJS3Z9/ksCkAettMKUK4EvVVOYMBdpIZdeacuFXXbnl kbJdpRAA25Vmb23KC2s7ay14fCTIhps+22wnEtYap/CZiCW4IfdD9QueWg/+3VGamzUxYLN/gfva 5HlUwi3Uhe9YQeWKGLIQjRHmaZh6RPcFoKmnAh1RiYROsHLlFQXqstYy0s360ZUcxdNCPzAsGBpD 6X0ZxAP1UXw/w2DSo5ST0AaEqMVHCUDpR/0MD14EqJYU6nalA8mGVoReYKTCZRMyTPY0BZV7RMq9 kw3CnOa336BabJi1VFguwqz5jUuQdWX3F5gXLdYVTcXvNJ7afNcXwPMTEQSAtRg/SB4AdsFOjfnv WSVm9wWQYX2XSjoN6GS+EXyAqNYRurKcTISpnRgtTC3W7bhggnZcuCdb2UIjeG8eMAQT70M9Uo6t ILFdRjF1WTyyokCFYwCSKtag9cFqdqN8JVSI3TlTzTxjkCJwLLBDxEXSS/24c2z5ytFPqFQhu/RU P1fBOrMPi37SB411krbroSXUUw8ljfACyOZVaBP2FFwTPUavViznj6C/tVBIx/FFISSF3NEljTbH ZFL1iFrDDFGQ3f/OH3m8qAG6c+AqAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Thought Forms's _Thought Forms_: "Maggie" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bugs@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: bugs@gnus.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) Stefan Monnier writes: >> that I'm tempted to go back to just storing this data in the plain-text >> ~/.authinfo file until all this has been worked out. > > No!!!! Or only after prompting the user five times for > (different) confirmation. If you look at other widely used software packages, like Firefox, they default to just storing the passwords in an (obfuscated) non-encrypted file. I don't think that's such a bad default. >> When writing the ~/.authinfo.gpg file, the user should be queried one >> thing: "Password for ~/.authinfo.gpg: ****". And that's it, in my >> extremely humble opinion. > > I partly agree, though some users won't have a key-pair setup, others > will have several, so the right thing to do may be either to use > symmetric encryption, or to guess which key-pair to use, and since it's > a guess there needs to be a way for the user to override the guess. Again, if you look at what the user experience is with, say, Firefox -- if you have password encryption turned on, then Firefox will prompt you for the password to unlock your credential storage. This is intuitive and works well. If you want a more complicated credential storage setup, then that should be a user option, not a default. At present, the ~/.authinfo.gpg credential storage is not something you can present to a normal user and expect them to understand at all. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 09 21:49:43 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2010 02:49:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQt3H-0007EV-E9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:49:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQt3F-0007EH-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:49:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQt93-0006sz-T0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:55:43 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:50977) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQt93-0006sv-Qv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:55:41 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53995 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQt92-0005z9-Q5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:55:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQt91-0006sN-Kw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:55:40 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:63720 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PQt91-0006sF-Fl; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:55:39 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmkKAJklAU3O+KIs/2dsb2JhbACVWY0MgRl5wAODBYJFBIRkjgU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,322,1288584000"; d="scan'208";a="85076516" Received: from 206-248-162-44.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([206.248.162.44]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 09 Dec 2010 21:55:36 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id EE8F3660DC; Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:55:35 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: bugs@gnus.org Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken Message-ID: References: <877hfknqr9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:55:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 09 Dec 2010 22:15:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Jason Rumney X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) > The Agent should ideally just "extend" the article storage, but > otherwise be invisible to the user. I think that, at the very least, > the Agent storage for a particular group should be nuked if the > UIDVALIDITY of the IMAP mailbox changes, but I'm not sure that's > sufficient. And it's not been easy to find out what the failure modes > actually are, because when people get problems in this area, they ask > for advice, and are told "rm -r", and things just work. But it doesn't > help debugging any. :-/ I'd be happy to help debug it: I use the Agent and I access my imap account from multiple machines. And since the nnimap rewrite I feel like I keep reading the same email messages whenever I move from one machine to another. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 10 11:23:22 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2010 16:23:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PR5kf-0002Gp-Sj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:23:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PR5ke-0002Gb-IQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:23:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PR5qU-0002TE-OF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:29:23 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:40932) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PR5qU-0002T3-Lp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:29:22 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=55307 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PR5qR-0000I4-J6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:29:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PR5qM-0002Lc-9u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:29:19 -0500 Received: from smtp.getmail.no ([84.208.15.66]:62391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PR5qM-0002LJ-28; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:29:14 -0500 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain Received: from get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net ([10.5.16.4]) by get-mta-out01.get.basefarm.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-0.04 64bit (built Jun 20 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LD80096W0GN6510@get-mta-out01.get.basefarm.net>; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:29:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id C558C1EEF85E_D025557B; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:29:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.getmail.no (unknown [10.5.16.4]) by get-mta-scan04.get.basefarm.net (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id B73EB1EEF38D_D025556F; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 16:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from quimbies.gnus.org ([84.215.34.171]) by get-mta-in02.get.basefarm.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.0-0.04 64bit (built Jun 20 2008)) with ESMTP id <0LD800EJ00GMR410@get-mta-in02.get.basefarm.net>; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:29:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from larsi by quimbies.gnus.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PR5qI-0002zq-Ga; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:29:10 +0100 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken In-reply-to: Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 17:18:23 +0100 Message-id: References: <877hfknqr9.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEW3diF9QRP1rxrmnx9D Fwj6yER9MbcNAAACZUlEQVQ4jU2UTY6kMAyF7TbsbZHZt4LYB1LsiSYHYArl/leZ51Bd1QgJyV9s P/8EIn/YzEItKjnGmEkyVyqw1aqUt4jX7Tm3fa1+PlTtpv4keM2ZC8XIcPgxzyl7tBkgc6h1epkz oiV4p6HQHMyBx0/SY+k2cy3ERWs9BCm7pDivVdMAUB0UeSfH6Vq4HgCHq+qn44JIjNBHOCiU6h65 F9EAVgUxRRE32G6HmNdDYTOCQ6jTp8D4+JsrEOH8o8ovMExTSQ+AAjC9VS2JdbL1geRHXQf3mG8v WU0tPcgBmX69yxCC4MYn2d8Bk/j65Eia6VSAUkL51B3jM9F+YRhmxWT+OCzP5Rz3ZN6SPG+/QWyN ckLlx/bq1A1abGc+fa4Stw2xth+wtJHY5boFg/u6EzWAnf8wWVea40o23qBdmcdEJJg01CnxeNsb nTy6XF+2QkV9C77zfp0A++h14HDAFB0s35JI/hmCmEEBen+woARfUJKkV0MD68DlUJ167gXdGFnP HooDMIm81iEnk7NRCEWHzAmyulq0CsIBDIvFpBCWnygbnUI7xtxIqw7Fqpm2Z2/Uc040pkZHLcFZ 8vpa29qzSW63B9YK2y2LJ7hQubS2ew5ithDQemRo1yXn2PuCAjngviXZFzfIldoNGCUepivRl3dW 8ngDNP4IfMg65a23POUXYBMNLAkb0brL/gpF6rdccCvFSZb2AiqqptgmrpOD/AbEavLt03Jw7e1C GT25njZ5uLGD/MpxQu6KTmG6t86fUGc/7qOnntb/IfcXViSBz+2RcHPuOlSxO9hsu3ViA/TE9z8A FbTiuRqBQgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Prince's _Sign 'O' The Times (2)_: "It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Jason Rumney X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: bugs@gnus.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.2 (-----) Stefan Monnier writes: > I'd be happy to help debug it: I use the Agent and I access my imap > account from multiple machines. And since the nnimap rewrite I feel > like I keep reading the same email messages whenever I move from one > machine to another. If you could try to see what the pattern is, that would be helpful. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) larsi@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 10 15:50:12 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Dec 2010 20:50:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PR9uu-00018B-3b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:50:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PR9us-00017r-M3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:50:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PRA0j-0003FM-FY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:56:14 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:59075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PRA0j-0003F7-D3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:56:13 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45370 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PRA0i-0004UN-Ci for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:56:13 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PRA0h-0003EK-74 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:56:12 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:25459 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PRA0h-0003EC-4Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:56:11 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8LACgjAk3O+KIs/2dsb2JhbACic4Eaeb9KhUoEhGSOBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,326,1288584000"; d="scan'208";a="85136642" Received: from 206-248-162-44.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([206.248.162.44]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Dec 2010 15:56:10 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 25D056616B; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:56:10 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Ted Zlatanov Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken Message-ID: References: <8739q54g7x.fsf@lifelogs.com> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:56:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8739q54g7x.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:48:02 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.1 (----) >>>> that I'm tempted to go back to just storing this data in the plain-text >>>> ~/.authinfo file until all this has been worked out. >>> No!!!! Or only after prompting the user five times for >>> (different) confirmation. LMI> If you look at other widely used software packages, like Firefox, they LMI> default to just storing the passwords in an (obfuscated) non-encrypted LMI> file. I don't think that's such a bad default. > It's a terrible default IMO. But you knew I'd say that :) I also find it terrible. Tho it is at least protected by a 3-way prompt (tho only 1 rather than 5). LMI> If you want a more complicated credential storage setup, then that LMI> should be a user option, not a default. At present, the ~/.authinfo.gpg LMI> credential storage is not something you can present to a normal user and LMI> expect them to understand at all. > How about a .sgpg or .spg extension that signals EPA/EPG that only > symmetric encryption is desired? I think that will only push the problem elsewhere, which is "which file name to use: .authinfo.gpg or .authinfo.spg". It seems simpler to just let the user configure the behavior she wants. By default just use symmetric encryption. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 13 20:08:50 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2010 01:08:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSJNq-0003xq-Dr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:08:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSJNo-0003xW-N2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:08:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSJTi-0002tg-Ve for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:15:01 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:45377) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSJTi-0002qa-Ph for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:14:54 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34084 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PSJJQ-0000dp-Pz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:04:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSJJK-0000bS-CM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:04:15 -0500 Received: from ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp ([219.117.176.192]:57668) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSJJJ-0000aN-PX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:04:10 -0500 Received: from ([192.168.0.187]) (envelope sender: ) by ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp with Active!Hunter esmtp server; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:04:04 +0900 Received: Received: from well-done.deisui.org (g187018.scn-net.ne.jp [202.83.187.18]) (authenticated) by blue17.scn-net.ne.jp (unknown) with ESMTP id oBE144gj008765 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:04:04 +0900 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken References: <8739q54g7x.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762uxob2f.fsf@lifelogs.com> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:08:31 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:11:34 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> As far as auth-source is concerned, it could have backend initialization >> functionality that, when a backend (e.g. a .gpg file) doesn't exist, >> will run specific functions, including creating a .gpg file with >> symmetric encryption. But right now it simply lets EPA handle everything. > > It might make sense to have auth-source control that, but I think it > would be better if this was controlled by the user "centrally" in Emacs > somewhere. I have not yet caught up the discussion, but If you want to simply skip the key selection, I'd suggest to do: (make-local-variable 'epa-file-encrypt-to) (setq epa-file-encrypt-to nil) in the "authinfo.gpg" buffer (see epa-file-write-region). Probably you may want to add an option to auth-source.el like: (defcustom auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to t "List of recipient keys that `authinfo.gpg' encrypted to. If the value is not a list, symmetric encryption will be used." ...) and in auth-source-create(), expand the function body of netrc-store-data() and put: (with-temp-buffer (if auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to (make-local-variable 'epa-file-encrypt-to)) (if (listp auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to) (setq epa-file-encrypt-to auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to)) ... (write-region ...)) Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 14 20:56:37 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2010 01:56:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSgbd-0007GQ-0i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:56:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSgba-0007GE-TG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 20:56:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSghc-0008GO-CI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:02:49 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:36999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSghY-0008FR-83 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:02:48 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50848 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PSghI-0005T6-Q1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:02:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSgh4-0008BM-MB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:02:16 -0500 Received: from ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp ([219.117.176.192]:43587) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSgh4-0008An-1i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:02:14 -0500 Received: from ([192.168.0.187]) (envelope sender: ) by ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp with Active!Hunter esmtp server; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:02:10 +0900 Received: Received: from well-done.deisui.org (g187018.scn-net.ne.jp [202.83.187.18]) (authenticated) by blue17.scn-net.ne.jp (unknown) with ESMTP id oBF2298W022207 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:02:10 +0900 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken References: <8739q54g7x.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762uxob2f.fsf@lifelogs.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 11:06:42 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Daiki Ueno's message of "Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:08:31 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) --=-=-= Daiki Ueno writes: > If you want to simply skip the key selection, I'd suggest to do: > > (make-local-variable 'epa-file-encrypt-to) > (setq epa-file-encrypt-to nil) > > in the "authinfo.gpg" buffer (see epa-file-write-region). Find below a proposed patch to auth-source.el. BTW, I forgot to mention in the previous response, I think it overkill to make epa-file to encrypt files with symmetric encryption by default, because as long as a file is visited in a buffer, epa-file remembers the last used encryption method (in epa-file-encrypt-to local variable), which will be used on the next save-buffer. So a user should see the key selection UI only the first time she saves the buffer. Default symmetric might be useful when Emacs does visit/save/kill-buffer repeatedly, but I think it is a rare case. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline; filename=auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to.diff === modified file 'lisp/gnus/auth-source.el' --- lisp/gnus/auth-source.el 2010-10-10 22:48:40 +0000 +++ lisp/gnus/auth-source.el 2010-12-15 01:32:00 +0000 @@ -159,6 +159,15 @@ (const :tag "Any" t) (string :tag "Specific user name")))))))) +(defcustom auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to t + "List of recipient keys that `authinfo.gpg' encrypted to. +If the value is not a list, symmetric encryption will be used." + :group 'auth-source + :version "23.2" ;; No Gnus + :type '(choice (const :tag "Symmetric encryption" t) + (repeat :tag "Recipient public keys" + (string :tag "Recipient public key")))) + ;; temp for debugging ;; (unintern 'auth-source-protocols) ;; (unintern 'auth-sources) @@ -352,9 +361,28 @@ ;; netrc interface. (when (y-or-n-p (format "Do you want to save this password in %s? " source)) - (netrc-store-data source host prot - (or user (cdr (assoc "login" result))) - (cdr (assoc "password" result)))))) + ;; the code below is almost same as `netrc-store-data' except + ;; the `epa-file-encrypt-to' hack (see bug#7487). + (with-temp-buffer + (when (file-exists-p source) + (insert-file-contents source)) + (when auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to + ;; making `epa-file-encrypt-to' local to this buffer lets + ;; epa-file skip the key selection query (see the + ;; `local-variable-p' check in `epa-file-write-region'). + (unless (local-variable-p 'epa-file-encrypt-to) + (make-local-variable 'epa-file-encrypt-to)) + (if (listp auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to) + (setq epa-file-encrypt-to auth-source-gpg-encrypt-to))) + (goto-char (point-max)) + (unless (bolp) + (insert "\n")) + (insert (format "machine %s login %s password %s port %s\n" + host + (or user (cdr (assoc "login" result))) + (cdr (assoc "password" result)) + prot)) + (write-region (point-min) (point-max) source nil 'silent))))) (if (consp mode) (mapcar #'cdr result) (cdar result)))) --=-=-= Regards, -- Daiki Ueno --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 15 16:59:25 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2010 21:59:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSzNc-0002Az-QB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:59:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PSzNa-0002Am-F8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:59:23 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSzTe-0004kF-Dq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:05:39 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:48328) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSzTe-0004kB-Bi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:05:38 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60834 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PSzTd-0002UK-I6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:05:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSzTc-0004jn-65 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:05:37 -0500 Received: from ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp ([219.117.176.192]:43864) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PSzTb-0004jZ-MA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:05:36 -0500 Received: from ([192.168.0.187]) (envelope sender: ) by ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp with Active!Hunter esmtp server; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:05:29 +0900 Received: Received: from well-done.deisui.org (g187018.scn-net.ne.jp [202.83.187.18]) (authenticated) by blue17.scn-net.ne.jp (unknown) with ESMTP id oBFM5Tl9025244; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:05:29 +0900 From: Daiki Ueno To: Ted Zlatanov Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken References: <8739q54g7x.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762uxob2f.fsf@lifelogs.com> <877hfb14o9.fsf@lifelogs.com> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:05:22 +0900 In-Reply-To: <877hfb14o9.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Wed, 15 Dec 2010 08:39:18 -0600") Message-ID: <8762uud74t.fsf@broken.deisui.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Ted Zlatanov writes: > I agree. The user may not even know the implications of symmetric > encryption. So IMHO this should be an external option (maybe requested > by setting `epa-file-encrypt-to' to 'ask if it's nil) which would change > the current key selection UI as follows (this is a refinement of my > previous UI proposal): Sorry, I don't want to extend `epa-file-encrypt-to' to a global variable to accept the value such as 'ask. It purely intends to be used in "Local variables:" section of the file. Perhaps you may think my previous patch is too large (and as you usually complains there is a code duplication between netrc.el and auth-source.el)? I don't think so since there is only a few packages (auth-source.el and anything else?) will benefit from the simplicity. > So this inconveniences users at least once, but gives them a chance to > understand what's going on, and with `P' will not be asked again. What > do you think? Personally I don't like this kind of multiple-candidate question in the mini-buffer :-) Maybe we could reuse the prefix argument (as `C-u M-x epa-sign-region') to control whether the key selection UI is shown, or simplify the key selection dialog by hiding the public key list by default, with say `visibility' widget. Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 15 18:36:43 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2010 23:36:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PT0tm-0004HF-Ix for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:36:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PT0tk-0004H3-HR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:36:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PT0zp-0005WC-0a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:42:57 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:48864) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PT0zo-0005Vz-UE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:42:56 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54391 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PT0zn-0005y7-GB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:42:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PT0zl-0005Ua-6H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:42:55 -0500 Received: from ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp ([219.117.176.192]:50612) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PT0zk-0005Tz-Lu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 18:42:53 -0500 Received: from ([192.168.0.187]) (envelope sender: ) by ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp with Active!Hunter esmtp server; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:42:49 +0900 Received: Received: from well-done.deisui.org (g187018.scn-net.ne.jp [202.83.187.18]) (authenticated) by blue17.scn-net.ne.jp (unknown) with ESMTP id oBFNgmbL011976; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:42:48 +0900 From: Daiki Ueno To: Ted Zlatanov Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken References: <8739q54g7x.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762uxob2f.fsf@lifelogs.com> <877hfb14o9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762uud74t.fsf@broken.deisui.org> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:42:29 +0900 In-Reply-To: <8762uud74t.fsf@broken.deisui.org> (Daiki Ueno's message of "Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:05:22 +0900") Message-ID: <871v5id2my.fsf@broken.deisui.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) Daiki Ueno writes: > Personally I don't like this kind of multiple-candidate question in the > mini-buffer :-) Maybe we could reuse the prefix argument (as `C-u M-x > epa-sign-region') to control whether the key selection UI is shown, or > simplify the key selection dialog by hiding the public key list by > default, with say `visibility' widget. Hmm, I recalled that why we currently don't use the prefix argument there: epa-file-write-region() may be implicitly called from other interactive commands like save-buffer, write-file, etc. where the prefix argument has different meanings. So my current suggestion is: 1. add epa-file-encrypt-to hack to auth-source.el, and 2. extend epa-file-select-keys (not epa-file-encrypt-to) so that it can have 'ask or 'always or 'quiet, etc., and 3. simplify the key selection UI by hiding public key list where 1 may look unnecessary once 2 is done, but it would be better to do both 1 and 2, as long as Gnus supports older versions of Emacs. What do you think? Other ideas are welcome of course :-) Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 15 21:34:45 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2010 02:34:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PT3g5-00028h-1I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:34:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PT3g3-00028V-QE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:34:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PT3m8-0000jP-O9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:41:01 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:52382) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PT3m8-0000jL-M5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:41:00 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=34314 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PT3m7-00077L-N4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:41:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PT3m6-0000j9-EV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:40:59 -0500 Received: from ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp ([219.117.176.192]:48371) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PT3m5-0000j5-UU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:40:58 -0500 Received: from ([192.168.0.187]) (envelope sender: ) by ivory4.scn-net.ne.jp with Active!Hunter esmtp server; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:40:55 +0900 Received: Received: from well-done.deisui.org (g187018.scn-net.ne.jp [202.83.187.18]) (authenticated) by blue17.scn-net.ne.jp (unknown) with ESMTP id oBG2es6R023391; Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:40:55 +0900 Message-ID: From: Daiki Ueno To: Ted Zlatanov Subject: Re: bug#7487: 24.0.50; Gnus nnimap broken References: <8739q54g7x.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762uxob2f.fsf@lifelogs.com> <877hfb14o9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8762uud74t.fsf@broken.deisui.org> <871v5id2my.fsf@broken.deisui.org> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:45:30 +0900 In-Reply-To: <871v5id2my.fsf@broken.deisui.org> (Daiki Ueno's message of "Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:42:29 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) > 1. add epa-file-encrypt-to hack to auth-source.el, and > 2. extend epa-file-select-keys (not epa-file-encrypt-to) so that it can > have 'ask or 'always or 'quiet, etc., and > 3. simplify the key selection UI by hiding public key list I did 2. Try: (setq epa-file-select-keys 'silent) After playing with this option for a couple of hours, I realized that this behavior is more natural, so I changed the default to 'silent, IOW now epa-file does symmetric encryption by default :-) Regards, -- Daiki Ueno From unknown Mon Jun 23 09:39:03 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator