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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi automake folks, What do you think about changing Automake's default tar format from v7 to ustar? Are you aware of any system 'tar' that does doesn't cope with ustar? What do you think about defaulting to the --format=3Dposix PAX format? It may be just as safe as ustar, and only if a package uses some feature (like >255 long filenames) that require PAX then it would be enabled, otherwise it will remain ustar-compatible. Discussion on the gnulib list suggests that at least ustar ought to be safe to use these days. /Simon Bruno Haible via Gnulib discussion list writes: > Simon Josefsson wrote: >> Possibly automake can move >> from v7 to ustar. Adding this to gnulib now allows us to gain >> experience with it. > > I have already experience with it: Since 2018, all tarballs of GNU gettext > were made with --format=3Dustar. I have tested them on all possible platf= orms, > from HP-UX 11 to IRIX 6.5, from AIX 7 to NetBSD, and not encountered a > problem =E2=80=94 nor received a complaint or bug report because of it. > > So, from my point of view, we can ask the Automake team to adopt > --format=3Dustar now. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIoEARYIADIWIQSjzJyHC50xCrrUzy9RcisI/kdFogUCZ1walxQcc2ltb25Aam9z ZWZzc29uLm9yZwAKCRBRcisI/kdFoq8CAQCnuGauIAvrg3rPxU73EQ44bmGWwFv7 PwnrQvOOV2ZsRwD7B29+me9qAbmpmkXI0FisY9jMPgS2o5+LGkrjXOF6Gg0= =GGsE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 13 18:46:28 2024 Received: (at 74847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2024 23:46:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44723 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tMFMZ-0003sx-UA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:46:28 -0500 Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([198.99.81.75]:39642 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tMFMX-0003sM-A2 for 74847@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 18:46:26 -0500 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 4BDNjfWt1652097 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:45:42 -0700 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.14.7/Submit) id 4BDNjfn51652096; Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:45:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 16:45:41 -0700 Message-Id: <202412132345.4BDNjfn51652096@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: simon@josefsson.org Subject: Re: bug#74847: change default tar format from v7 to ustar (was: Re: reproducible tar archives) In-Reply-To: <87bjxfrfc8.fsf_-_@kaka.sjd.se> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74847 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, bruno@clisp.org, 74847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Possibly automake can move from v7 to ustar. Possibly. What's the advantage? --thanks, karl. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 24 17:43:34 2025 Received: (at 74847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2025 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43286 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tmhAj-0002nc-OF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:43:34 -0500 Received: from frenzy.freefriends.org ([198.99.81.75]:37540 helo=freefriends.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tmh9q-0002lg-2W for 74847@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Feb 2025 17:42:39 -0500 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 51OMft7r1121156 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 24 Feb 2025 15:41:55 -0700 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.16.1/8.14.7/Submit) id 51OMfsDP1121150; Mon, 24 Feb 2025 15:41:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 15:41:54 -0700 Message-Id: <202502242241.51OMfsDP1121150@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: simon@josefsson.org Subject: Re: bug#74847: change default tar format from v7 to ustar (was: Re: reproducible tar archives) In-Reply-To: <87bjxfrfc8.fsf_-_@kaka.sjd.se> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74847 Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, bruno@clisp.org, 74847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Back on this suggestion: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=74847 What do you think about changing Automake's default tar format from v7 to ustar? Given Bruno's experience, ok, let's try. I won't be surprised if problems come out of the woodwork, but maybe it will be fine. I think the change below is all that's needed to implement this? I pushed it. Let me know if something more comes to mind. What do you think about defaulting to the --format=posix PAX format? Given the draconian warnings in the automake manual (not written by me), I suspect it is still premature. In particular, I doubt the situation has changed on Solaris: > @option{tar-pax} selects the new pax interchange format defined by POSIX > 1003.1-2001. It does not limit the length of file names. > ... > As of 2018, this format [tar-pax] is supported by the native @code{tar} > command only on GNU, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD systems; it is not > supported by the native @code{tar} command on NetBSD, AIX, HP-UX, or > Solaris. which is followed by: > There are moves to change the pax format in an upward-compatible > way, so this option may refer to a more recent version in the future. Did any change to pax formats ever come to pass? --thanks, karl. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- dist: change tar format default to ustar (!). Suggested in https://bugs.gnu.org74847. * m4/init.m4 (tar-ustar): make ustar the default instead of tar-v7. * doc/automake.texi (tar-formats): document this. * NEWS: mention this. * t/tar-override.sh: force tar-v7 for purposes of this test. diff --git a/NEWS b/NEWS index da6b5e493..796a9030f 100644 --- a/NEWS +++ b/NEWS @@ -6,13 +6,17 @@ New in 1.x: * New features added + - Default tar format is now ustar, to support longer filenames; + the tar-v7 and other explicit options to force a particular tar + format are unchanged. (bug#74847) + + - New option dist-bzip3 for bzip3 compression of distributions. (bug#73795) + - New option --stderr-prefix for tap-driver.sh, to prefix each line of stderr from a test script with a given string. (bug#72536) - Support for Algol 68 added, based on the GNU Algol 68 compiler. (bug#75807) - - New option dist-bzip3 for bzip3 compression of distributions. (bug#73795) - * Bugs fixed - Do not make Perl warnings fatal, per Perl's recommendation. diff --git a/doc/automake.texi b/doc/automake.texi index 6dcd94826..51190ea50 100644 --- a/doc/automake.texi +++ b/doc/automake.texi @@ -11373,7 +11373,7 @@ These options must be passed as arguments to @code{AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE} Automake will complain if it sees such options in an @code{AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS} variable. -@option{tar-v7} selects the old V7 tar format. This is the historical +@option{tar-v7} selects the old V7 tar format. This was the historical default. This antiquated format is understood by all tar implementations and supports file names with up to 99 characters. When given longer file names some tar implementations will diagnose the @@ -11383,7 +11383,8 @@ directories. When using this format, consider using the @option{filename-length-max=99} option to catch file names too long. @option{tar-ustar} selects the ustar format defined by POSIX -1003.1-1988. This format is old enough to be portable: +1003.1-1988. This format became the default in Automake version 1.18 +(released in 2025). As of 2018, it is supported by the native @code{tar} command on GNU, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, AIX, HP-UX, and Solaris, at least. It fully supports empty directories. It can store file names with up diff --git a/m4/init.m4 b/m4/init.m4 index 5da8f9e13..ed10dabcf 100644 --- a/m4/init.m4 +++ b/m4/init.m4 @@ -100,8 +100,9 @@ AC_REQUIRE([AC_PROG_AWK])dnl AC_REQUIRE([AC_PROG_MAKE_SET])dnl AC_REQUIRE([AM_SET_LEADING_DOT])dnl _AM_IF_OPTION([tar-ustar], [_AM_PROG_TAR([ustar])], - [_AM_IF_OPTION([tar-pax], [_AM_PROG_TAR([pax])], - [_AM_PROG_TAR([v7])])]) + [_AM_IF_OPTION([tar-pax], [_AM_PROG_TAR([pax])], + [_AM_IF_OPTION([tar-v7], [_AM_PROG_TAR([v7])], + [_AM_PROG_TAR([ustar])])])]) _AM_IF_OPTION([no-dependencies],, [AC_PROVIDE_IFELSE([AC_PROG_CC], [_AM_DEPENDENCIES([CC])], diff --git a/t/tar-override.sh b/t/tar-override.sh index 941a599da..e02c255ca 100644 --- a/t/tar-override.sh +++ b/t/tar-override.sh @@ -16,14 +16,21 @@ # Check that the user can override the tar program used by "make dist" # at runtime, by redefining the 'TAR' environment variable. -# NOTE: currently this works only when the tar format used is 'v7' -# (which is the default one). +# +# Currently this works only when the tar format used is 'v7'; 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I won't be surprised if > problems come out of the woodwork, but maybe it will be fine. > > I think the change below is all that's needed to implement this? > I pushed it. Let me know if something more comes to mind. Thank you! > What do you think about defaulting to the --format=posix PAX format? I think defaulting to 'ustar' is the right choice today. 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