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In GNU Emacs 31.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-suse-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.43, cairo version 1.18.2) Repository revision: 69e1f787528eaf2f223c53a6ff518ba4f984bc17 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101014 System Description: openSUSE Tumbleweed Configured using: 'configure --disable-build-details --without-pop --with-mailutils --without-hesiod --with-gameuser=:games --with-kerberos --with-kerberos5 --with-file-notification=inotify --with-modules --enable-autodepend --enable-link-time-optimization --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --datadir=/usr/share --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --with-file-notification=yes --libdir=/usr/lib64 --with-native-compilation=aot --enable-locallisppath=/usr/share/emacs/31.0.50/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp --with-x --with-xim --with-sound --with-xpm --with-jpeg --with-tiff --with-gif --with-png --with-rsvg --with-dbus --with-xft --without-gpm --with-tree-sitter --with-x-toolkit=gtk --without-pgtk --with-toolkit-scroll-bars --x-includes=/usr/include --x-libraries=/usr/lib64 --with-libotf --with-m17n-flt --with-cairo --build=x86_64-suse-linux --with-dumping=pdumper build_alias=x86_64-suse-linux 'CC=sccache cc' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -Wall -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3 -fstack-protector-strong -funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fstack-clash-protection -Werror=return-type -flto=auto -march=znver3 -mmmx -mpopcnt -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mssse3 -msse4.1 -msse4.2 -mavx -mavx2 -msse4a -mno-fma4 -mno-xop -mfma -mbmi -mbmi2 -maes -mpclmul -mno-gfni -mvpclmulqdq -mno-3dnow -madx -mabm -mno-cldemote -mclflushopt -mclwb -mclzero -mcx16 -mno-enqcmd -mf16c -mfsgsbase -mfxsr -mno-hle -msahf -mno-lwp -mlzcnt -mmovbe -mno-movdir64b -mno-movdiri -mmwaitx -mno-pconfig -mpku -mprfchw -mno-ptwrite -mrdpid -mrdrnd -mrdseed -mno-rtm -mno-serialize -mno-sgx -msha -mshstk -mno-tbm -mno-tsxldtrk -mvaes -mno-waitpkg -mwbnoinvd -mxsave -mxsavec -mxsaveopt -mxsaves -mno-amx-tile -mno-amx-int8 -mno-amx-bf16 -mno-uintr -mno-hreset -mno-kl -mno-widekl -mno-avxvnni -mno-avxifma -mno-avxvnniint8 -mno-avxneconvert -mno-cmpccxadd -mno-amx-fp16 -mno-prefetchi -mno-raoint -mno-amx-complex --param l1-cache-size=32 --param l1-cache-line-size=64 --param l2-cache-size=512 -mtune=znver3 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -O2 -Wall -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3 -fstack-protector-strong -funwind-tables -fasynchronous-unwind-tables -fstack-clash-protection -Werror=return-type -flto=auto -g -D_GNU_SOURCE -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATION_WARNINGS -DGLIB_DISABLE_DEPRECATION_WARNINGS -pipe -Wno-pointer-sign -Wno-unused-variable -Wno-unused-label -DPDMP_BASE='\''"emacs-gtk"'\''' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O2 'CXX=sccache c++' PKG_CONFIG_PATH=:/usr/lib64/pkgconfig:/usr/share/pkgconfig' --=-=-= Content-Type: text/patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Update-browse-url-kde-variables.patch >From 412418551717c788320a3d1f04a68f47f263c968 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Bj=C3=B6rn=20Bidar?= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 00:43:29 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables * lisp/browse-url.el (browse-url-kde-program) (browse-url-kde-args): Update defaults to more modern alternative to kfmclient. Kfmclient is only installed when Konqueror is installed which isn't the default file-manager since KDE4. In contrast it is more likely that kde-open is installed as it is required by Plasma, it exists since KDE4. `browse-url-kde-args` isn't required anymore but kept to not break compatibility. --- lisp/net/browse-url.el | 4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/net/browse-url.el b/lisp/net/browse-url.el index c10bc671a88..5a54d653720 100644 --- a/lisp/net/browse-url.el +++ b/lisp/net/browse-url.el @@ -517,12 +517,12 @@ browse-url-text-input-delay :type 'number :version "23.1") -(defcustom browse-url-kde-program "kfmclient" +(defcustom browse-url-kde-program "kde-open" "The name by which to invoke the KDE web browser." :type 'string :version "21.1") -(defcustom browse-url-kde-args '("openURL") +(defcustom browse-url-kde-args nil "A list of strings defining options for `browse-url-kde-program'." :type '(repeat (string :tag "Argument"))) -- 2.45.2 --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 10 20:23:05 2024 Received: (at 74775-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Tue, 10 Dec 2024 17:22:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:22:00 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <6758c999.050a0220.38af58.bd51SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <6758c999.050a0220.38af58.bd51SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:22:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables To: =?UTF-8?B?QmrDtnJuIEJpZGFy?= , 74775-done@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of te= xt editors" writes: > From 412418551717c788320a3d1f04a68f47f263c968 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: =3D?UTF-8?q?Bj=3DC3=3DB6rn=3D20Bidar?=3D > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 00:43:29 +0200 > Subject: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables > > * lisp/browse-url.el (browse-url-kde-program) > (browse-url-kde-args): > Update defaults to more modern alternative to kfmclient. > Kfmclient is only installed when Konqueror is installed which isn't the > default file-manager since KDE4. > In contrast it is more likely that kde-open is installed as it is > required by Plasma, it exists since KDE4. > `browse-url-kde-args` isn't required anymore but kept to not break > compatibility. > --- > lisp/net/browse-url.el | 4 ++-- > 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/lisp/net/browse-url.el b/lisp/net/browse-url.el > index c10bc671a88..5a54d653720 100644 > --- a/lisp/net/browse-url.el > +++ b/lisp/net/browse-url.el > @@ -517,12 +517,12 @@ browse-url-text-input-delay > :type 'number > :version "23.1") > > -(defcustom browse-url-kde-program "kfmclient" > +(defcustom browse-url-kde-program "kde-open" > "The name by which to invoke the KDE web browser." > :type 'string > :version "21.1") > > -(defcustom browse-url-kde-args '("openURL") > +(defcustom browse-url-kde-args nil > "A list of strings defining options for `browse-url-kde-program'." > :type '(repeat (string :tag "Argument"))) > > -- > 2.45.2 Thanks, installed on master as commit 63b9ddda8f8. I'm therefore closing this bug report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 11 07:39:00 2024 Received: (at 74775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2024 12:39:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33355 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLLzY-0004iE-2V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 07:39:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46452) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLLzV-0004hu-DU for 74775@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 07:38:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tLLzN-0000Hc-Qs; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 07:38:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=p6jT8bcHxKNcX7ZAVnoGVEEfb00wFhrZkzX7LR2/l1g=; b=jRvmeSjtMntgM1Bjr2cg jHuluIT0dJY6VVxgGWZkUiAjvhJzZplmRY4WBCIjGQfWECML+bjPQ7v47sGMR5dg9XzIUca+HmOk4 +u3o1kompe4fSI9ZeR4yIB8Og6Br7cDrH+oBE/lIYBomohBF6JK/taaW9BbWojH5+nnnvYcKB/VZR UJsaFQ/rdK0d9uOyVCMHWhWCx2lFlVtJTG3+fZIlmzcfWdytdqi1avwKjU/9qkF6ToIZKIjyic+u1 kHirZpog1qKT2gr1/2eO68YNqvESXS6rgw9SF1SpF3jC0V1Eb0tXZT40EfV+f9OhUOXk9UKsJi2fg aHvXcskp1tr1cg==; Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:38:42 +0200 Message-Id: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Bidar In-Reply-To: <8734ivrvfr.fsf@> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables References: <8734ivrvfr.fsf@> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 01:04:56 +0200 > From: Björn Bidar via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > Update browse-url-kde's variables. Thanks, but when we change the default value of a user option, we need to update its :version tag (so that commands like customize-changed could notice that). > -(defcustom browse-url-kde-program "kfmclient" > +(defcustom browse-url-kde-program "kde-open" > "The name by which to invoke the KDE web browser." Should we offer the other name as a (non-default) alternative? It is still available, right? > :type 'string Should this be 'file instead? > -(defcustom browse-url-kde-args '("openURL") > +(defcustom browse-url-kde-args nil > "A list of strings defining options for `browse-url-kde-program'." Should the default value depend on the value of browse-url-kde-program? E.g., if that is customized to kfmclient, the value of this variable should probably not be '("openURL"), right? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 11 09:03:45 2024 Received: (at 74775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2024 14:03:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33604 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLNJU-0001d7-WD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 09:03:44 -0500 Received: from thaodan.de ([185.216.177.71]:53834) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLNJS-0001cs-61 for 74775@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 09:03:38 -0500 Received: from NordStern (unknown [185.252.118.71]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F997D00055; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:03:32 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1733925812; bh=9IljZkd/2k/HPpApycxvvXJUVE9bTBiKEjgFoh7bdjY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=ZE2VPteiyB+B81RS9QhI6bDO22P0sHPbp+DioxcpsE6FgEoj7ZPBM9p0Dr3wvO94K jFk2U6jV5Y/w8+FA10BfWyRvB2iABffkrnuUS/iFZ1h/hqE0EJeYHxOhDolO848y5k 6dBAicXABoZq4ie5aHth9503Nx8f8Knhxr+RyUFJKDvFrYxh8SsOjIn8T9oYIEY67D MFFmPNqUc7sZN7gl5BONUQgJ2Ogiqe5igi4sbjisVIU1x4n6K2Uie3j9gZVrtg85Ou YFW4+HN4flLOaivGCT8zV1iouunmjONFxlDMaftq7r9vXop5m7EmgWlPzzeai6brma ZGcqho1RAaFT30PVNvaHcp7jDV/Cd+o/p0lhrBe1swChqi5XwJFSXgvbuHI7Y+QBPL Gml/260BT98zCi82fttuUP/iPlHBeWj0BtaUqb5hf6iQN3yhTZ0vSVuD52lDJncQ4V YxjRC2DzQdFrkFp3bn6YfhRbLJOXMTEccMyJh/COnf5H6qvOwI9ZUYDHcHXYg0B0JH hN8Mjl6dO6TCSoF57mhWrnfocHBD885+M/6Mhxa6tR42Is7B8o+tXNzQiqocP9VAQd tVdIc4kGy1njL4UNwsXmWKMWX3CMnPb4s25K+5QcUE0Eb90pVORBOi18Yb/6SATszd JDfmd/5fNkKCoBBFof8IkUb4= From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables In-Reply-To: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:38:42 +0200") References: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> Autocrypt: addr=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEZNfpPhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdACBEmr+0xwIIHZfIDlZmm7sa+lHHSb0g9FZrN6qE6ru60JUJq w7ZybiBCaWRhciA8Ympvcm4uYmlkYXJAdGhhb2Rhbi5kZT6IlgQTFgoAPgIbAwULCQgHAgIiAgYV CgkICwIEFgIDAQIeBwIXgBYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1/YmAhkBAAoJEFwbdKFl HF9oB9cBAJoIIGQKXm4cpap+Flxc/EGnYl0123lcEyzuduqvlDT0AQC3OlFKm/OiqJ8IMTrzJRZ8 phFssTkSrrFXnM2jm5PYDoiTBBMWCgA7FiEEUfF263VHMB6nKairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX6T4CGwMF CwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgcCF4AACgkQXBt0oWUcX2hbCQEAtru7kvM8hi8zo6z9ux2h K+B5xViKuo7Z8K3IXuK5ugwA+wUfKzomzdBPhfxDsqLcEziGRxoyx0Q3ld9aermBUccHtBxCasO2 cm4gQmlkYXIgPG1lQHRoYW9kYW4uZGU+iJMEExYKADsCGwMFCwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwEC HgcCF4AWIQRR8XbrdUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf2FQAKCRBcG3ShZRxfaCzSAP4hZ7cSp0YN XYpcjHdsySh2MuBhhoPeLGXs+2kSiqBiOwD/TP8AgPEg/R+SI9GI9on7fBJJ0mp2IT8kZ2rhDOjg gA6IkwQTFgoAOxYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1+ntAhsDBQsJCAcCAiICBhUKCQgL AgQWAgMBAh4HAheAAAoJEFwbdKFlHF9oBgwA/iQHwe0VL4Df4GGTYlNjMSHFlIkBmN4UfYGLYj3E TrOUAQC51M+M3cjsL8WHdpBz6VAo6df9d+rVwhQ9vQuFHqevArg4BGTX6T4SCisGAQQBl1UBBQEB B0Cbohc3JEfn005/cm0AOGjSsW1ZxAkgaoVNjbpqk4MgNAMBCAeIeAQYFgoAIBYhBFHxdut1RzAe pymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1+k+AhsMAAoJEFwbdKFlHF9ooHABAKGmrGBic/Vys3BBrOQiRB3Z7izO HwhqTRpAqFZtXS2nAQDZhp/5aYw1TZjTzkm1KVt9QiYnjd/MvxRE9iaY6x4mDbgzBGTX6T4WCSsG AQQB2kcPAQEHQAgRJq/tMcCCB2XyA5WZpu7GvpRx0m9IPRWazeqhOq7uiO8EGBYKACAWIQRR8Xbr dUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf71AIbIgCBCRBcG3ShZRxfaHYgBBkWCgAdFiEEUfF263VHMB6n KairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX+9QACgkQXBt0oWUcX2jeSwD6AtWn0cuo8IF35YRo4o3cDRJnUfJnbvJy GxyCDThR+zYBAKG6/jdwmZkBQZKslnDAbMMd2WfiZZT5JW3IWC4EaKMO7HkBAKYPGZ3UbfkRvfFK S+pQ9CgtNfkSJQBtT1Ob7Y6nsacgAQCpyXN7yppmhW/oBgivITPy9Lkg+V4NK9WZYZCU9Q7LBA== Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:03:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 01:04:56 +0200 >> From: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" >>=20 >> Update browse-url-kde's variables. > > Thanks, but when we change the default value of a user option, we need > to update its :version tag (so that commands like customize-changed > could notice that). Will do good call. >> -(defcustom browse-url-kde-program "kfmclient" >> +(defcustom browse-url-kde-program "kde-open" >> "The name by which to invoke the KDE web browser." > > Should we offer the other name as a (non-default) alternative? It is > still available, right? The other one is still available but kde-open is then installed at the same time too. Both to the same thing it doesn't make sense to still offer kfmclient here. >> :type 'string > > Should this be 'file instead? Does 'file for programs in path? >> -(defcustom browse-url-kde-args '("openURL") >> +(defcustom browse-url-kde-args nil >> "A list of strings defining options for `browse-url-kde-program'." > > Should the default value depend on the value of > browse-url-kde-program? E.g., if that is customized to kfmclient, the > value of this variable should probably not be '("openURL"), right? For kfmclient it should be '("openURL") for others not. I think it would make sense to apply this change to Emacs 30 too as it isn't a functionality change but a fix to not use kfmclient which is not installed anymore these days as the default file manager for KDE is Dolphin and not Konqueror which includes kfmclient. 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Wed, 11 Dec 2024 06:28:22 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim To: Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables In-Reply-To: <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar via \"Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors\""'s message of "Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:03:30 +0200") References: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 15:28:21 +0100 Message-ID: <87a5d25m62.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::429; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x429.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar , Eli Zaretskii , 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) >>>>> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:03:30 +0200, Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar via "Bug reports= for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" said: Bj=C3=B6rn> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 01:04:56 +0200 >>> From: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, >>> the Swiss army knife of text editors" >>>=20 >>> Update browse-url-kde's variables. >>=20 >> Thanks, but when we change the default value of a user option, we ne= ed >> to update its :version tag (so that commands like customize-changed >> could notice that). Bj=C3=B6rn> Will do good call. I already did that this morning =F0=9F=98=80 >>> :type 'string >>=20 >> Should this be 'file instead? Bj=C3=B6rn> Does 'file for programs in path? Yes (although I=CA=BCm not sure customize actually checks that) Bj=C3=B6rn> I think it would make sense to apply this change to Emacs 3= 0 too as it Bj=C3=B6rn> isn't a functionality change but a fix to not use kfmclient= which is not Bj=C3=B6rn> installed anymore these days as the default file manager fo= r KDE is Bj=C3=B6rn> Dolphin and not Konqueror which includes kfmclient. If I squint I could call it a regression, but I=CA=BCm not an Emacs maintainer =F0=9F=98=BA Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 11 11:14:39 2024 Received: (at 74775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2024 16:14:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35851 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLPME-00025W-TH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 11:14:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLPMA-00024h-5Z for 74775@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 11:14:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tLPM4-0006Py-KT; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 11:14:28 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=xQx6umrtBO/F2zWuA77mJmmCfJMf9KXHKTQVa5Efx48=; b=VVMGkzJME5ejmdS8khAq Q78APgfC65tITLwmqU6XAT2KpyyUeHApUB/DNNgBFpSfkKVtzXxE2YbCqOsopdv01UBgoKi8VIp81 QFef4rEHLSOVLFDDSAs8A3SVyfnnejiE2FXLqxqRe4Dsecdgg1DFZPpkBXZUCvD4z6u2hZ5LldU+K 29n0WlPJvFf2fXgzwWpk5Uu+SE7Iqns3crH8H7q3H2WVOupmx62vO4ehubMXqwACiAdammLiAN9Cf CWT2EOfNtaCGDb7RwJYe8Dljz2h1Hd8YKeV+QHhbk45BMpDJo23qtRiXHAmVMNRjIYQ6RQV6v7/3g 1EkhG07KmStvwA==; Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 18:14:25 +0200 Message-Id: <86ttba2o4e.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar In-Reply-To: <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6r?= =?utf-8?Q?n?= Bidar on Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:03:30 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables References: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Björn Bidar > Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 16:03:30 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> :type 'string > > > > Should this be 'file instead? > > Does 'file for programs in path? No, but the user could enter an absolute file name here, in which case 'file will be more useful. > >> -(defcustom browse-url-kde-args '("openURL") > >> +(defcustom browse-url-kde-args nil > >> "A list of strings defining options for `browse-url-kde-program'." > > > > Should the default value depend on the value of > > browse-url-kde-program? E.g., if that is customized to kfmclient, the > > value of this variable should probably not be '("openURL"), right? > > For kfmclient it should be '("openURL") for others not. > > I think it would make sense to apply this change to Emacs 30 too as it > isn't a functionality change but a fix to not use kfmclient which is not > installed anymore these days as the default file manager for KDE is > Dolphin and not Konqueror which includes kfmclient. I'd prefer not to change defaults in Emacs 30 at this point, but if you think the current defaults might be not useful, then I'll ask in what version(s) of current systems using KDE this change happened, and how probable is it that users are still using those old versions? Installing on master doesn't need to delve into these issues, since if we are wrong, we have enough time for users to holler and for us to fix. Emacs 30, OTOH, is very close to the release, so we must be very certain this change cannot cause any trouble. 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I think it's unlikely but possible sure. >> >> -(defcustom browse-url-kde-args '("openURL") >> >> +(defcustom browse-url-kde-args nil >> >> "A list of strings defining options for `browse-url-kde-program'." >> > >> > Should the default value depend on the value of >> > browse-url-kde-program? E.g., if that is customized to kfmclient, the >> > value of this variable should probably not be '("openURL"), right? >>=20 >> For kfmclient it should be '("openURL") for others not. >>=20 >> I think it would make sense to apply this change to Emacs 30 too as it >> isn't a functionality change but a fix to not use kfmclient which is not >> installed anymore these days as the default file manager for KDE is >> Dolphin and not Konqueror which includes kfmclient. > > I'd prefer not to change defaults in Emacs 30 at this point, but if > you think the current defaults might be not useful, then I'll ask in > what version(s) of current systems using KDE this change happened, and > how probable is it that users are still using those old versions? The change happened in KDE 4 which was released in 2008. The change would break users of KDE3 which isn't supported anymore since 15 years by now. So the change would fix the behavior of users which are still on KDE 4 or 5 (Technically KDE Plasma in this context after KDE3) and those which use the latest stable KDE Plasma 6. > Installing on master doesn't need to delve into these issues, since if > we are wrong, we have enough time for users to holler and for us to > fix. Emacs 30, OTOH, is very close to the release, so we must be very > certain this change cannot cause any trouble. I don't think there's a chance for that. If you decide to install the change on Emacs 30. Do you want me to send the patch again with the changes mentioned by you i.e. defcustom version and type? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 11 14:07:34 2024 Received: (at 74775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2024 19:07:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36272 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLS3Z-0007Og-TJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:07:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46156) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLS3W-0007OI-Bb for 74775@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:07:33 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tLS3P-0004MC-VQ; Wed, 11 Dec 2024 14:07:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=E9VD/q5q+o1f269XWVxG64T34gJZPXUM/i2RoZfD5XE=; b=ftlzWkdGK89/wznHuhEV waFfp7m99ghJJT6oC2k4jqCdE5D1ervz8oethmK4Ta049V5CI0oIlxg5yMN7CBFzQRNIeEuwEJ5XJ IPTcNy+Qj6IU88hz+/7OYU3Lr8k5bLIA+n69wRZanwzHWtupGAJmTS99Fvz5MCgF9jRLUHcVQ1kRZ lZCIW0KP4wypgDloMJwnJmqtzTiIhUvJr14j4IlensbZL0CjvB2ew7dSpW+oDNoWxf5M8QJpUE4RH sqCaJypCNWBL5rK3h7rr6l9ZKU70P2plUDSQYGoRECvBOyOpxfpRiKWpxfBYP9JMx0IBSEtupirhs Twg57FGcWUVgIA==; Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 21:07:17 +0200 Message-Id: <86bjxi2g4a.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar In-Reply-To: <87wmg6ce2b.fsf@thaodan.de> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6r?= =?utf-8?Q?n?= Bidar on Wed, 11 Dec 2024 19:41:32 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables References: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> <86ttba2o4e.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmg6ce2b.fsf@thaodan.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Björn Bidar > Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 19:41:32 +0200 > > > I'd prefer not to change defaults in Emacs 30 at this point, but if > > you think the current defaults might be not useful, then I'll ask in > > what version(s) of current systems using KDE this change happened, and > > how probable is it that users are still using those old versions? > > The change happened in KDE 4 which was released in 2008. The change > would break users of KDE3 which isn't supported anymore since 15 years > by now. > So the change would fix the behavior of users which are still on KDE 4 > or 5 > (Technically KDE Plasma in this context after KDE3) and those which use > the latest stable KDE Plasma 6. > > > Installing on master doesn't need to delve into these issues, since if > > we are wrong, we have enough time for users to holler and for us to > > fix. Emacs 30, OTOH, is very close to the release, so we must be very > > certain this change cannot cause any trouble. > > I don't think there's a chance for that. Famous last words... > If you decide to install the change on Emacs 30. Do you want me to send > the patch again with the changes mentioned by you i.e. defcustom version > and type? I still think we should install this on master. AFAIK, we had exactly zero complaints about these defaults, perhaps for the simple reason that it is easy to customize a user option if its default is wrong for a user. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 12 11:45:25 2024 Received: (at 74775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2024 16:45:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40075 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLmJU-0003my-BY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:45:25 -0500 Received: from thaodan.de ([185.216.177.71]:38514) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLmJR-0003ll-0V for 74775@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2024 11:45:19 -0500 Received: from NordStern (unknown [185.252.118.71]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49259D00038; Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:44:46 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1734021886; bh=wXSKcKzTWwuu+7pDDtDWGjqhdKiO0V4BvGkfmEeC9bw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=N32T2l0oATIeRVg+KTQlP4XXCXbmcIbT8qM+PiQ1hXHKX8prdeRqUUU/7Jny9GK/2 /UID0/8vT2PU+Z44r4kORy9u9uyQgpH+l9iCvxkRVfhAV/ajH28DhYgjzPBoChGkZn 3ZRJYghH8h3J+XQ5GDlbS84pocPj4L+BL6+TcgZSNHmFOjxNmBu4JVGbZS3LivkYyL kaIvs8DvjubdMjuAgyPbShOBDcyJPARMYujp+rjVMxfRiJ05zhlXnliozwzOED6S5Y EyADBhjHQ0/izazr3miEHJ/ObT1/Okq9C+A4dj/WX5YnL4fFWTMApsbaJFBMf/YdaV FzYB6ORBxZiPAfSs0wwv0T5mKKWS9f16iIMzsMqCW7Wh44U1IS9687AG0X6F+QW5PS gpC01COzGFAz+v5nrGBlpNWyh2rIYoopHWuILi7njDiC2UPPCC5QWwluXWLvv0bKsg C0ZyeUoMndtd45HVde8VfW+a5nTeWPZfQuw0FBmnvR3S0b98YxEBU4cMo5uYDRMrMT 08CI/UkTi0XJZAot588qQPw/s6BxOIEuI1ZGB8k+//SthlpL5KcEEOdU4cF636T3ru cHnrFw+BwWNjTJxnMVIb/gY9lmCLMgZ4ZuUmEwigyghTTjP6+xI7gYmlj5NPmBQJQ9 rt4+QiWVnd2xmcpiU4EFRAvs= From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables In-Reply-To: <86bjxi2g4a.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 11 Dec 2024 21:07:17 +0200") References: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> <86ttba2o4e.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmg6ce2b.fsf@thaodan.de> <86bjxi2g4a.fsf@gnu.org> Autocrypt: addr=bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEZNfpPhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdACBEmr+0xwIIHZfIDlZmm7sa+lHHSb0g9FZrN6qE6ru60JUJq w7ZybiBCaWRhciA8Ympvcm4uYmlkYXJAdGhhb2Rhbi5kZT6IlgQTFgoAPgIbAwULCQgHAgIiAgYV CgkICwIEFgIDAQIeBwIXgBYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1/YmAhkBAAoJEFwbdKFl HF9oB9cBAJoIIGQKXm4cpap+Flxc/EGnYl0123lcEyzuduqvlDT0AQC3OlFKm/OiqJ8IMTrzJRZ8 phFssTkSrrFXnM2jm5PYDoiTBBMWCgA7FiEEUfF263VHMB6nKairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX6T4CGwMF CwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgcCF4AACgkQXBt0oWUcX2hbCQEAtru7kvM8hi8zo6z9ux2h K+B5xViKuo7Z8K3IXuK5ugwA+wUfKzomzdBPhfxDsqLcEziGRxoyx0Q3ld9aermBUccHtBxCasO2 cm4gQmlkYXIgPG1lQHRoYW9kYW4uZGU+iJMEExYKADsCGwMFCwkIBwICIgIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwEC HgcCF4AWIQRR8XbrdUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf2FQAKCRBcG3ShZRxfaCzSAP4hZ7cSp0YN XYpcjHdsySh2MuBhhoPeLGXs+2kSiqBiOwD/TP8AgPEg/R+SI9GI9on7fBJJ0mp2IT8kZ2rhDOjg gA6IkwQTFgoAOxYhBFHxdut1RzAepymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1+ntAhsDBQsJCAcCAiICBhUKCQgL AgQWAgMBAh4HAheAAAoJEFwbdKFlHF9oBgwA/iQHwe0VL4Df4GGTYlNjMSHFlIkBmN4UfYGLYj3E TrOUAQC51M+M3cjsL8WHdpBz6VAo6df9d+rVwhQ9vQuFHqevArg4BGTX6T4SCisGAQQBl1UBBQEB B0Cbohc3JEfn005/cm0AOGjSsW1ZxAkgaoVNjbpqk4MgNAMBCAeIeAQYFgoAIBYhBFHxdut1RzAe pymoq1wbdKFlHF9oBQJk1+k+AhsMAAoJEFwbdKFlHF9ooHABAKGmrGBic/Vys3BBrOQiRB3Z7izO HwhqTRpAqFZtXS2nAQDZhp/5aYw1TZjTzkm1KVt9QiYnjd/MvxRE9iaY6x4mDbgzBGTX6T4WCSsG AQQB2kcPAQEHQAgRJq/tMcCCB2XyA5WZpu7GvpRx0m9IPRWazeqhOq7uiO8EGBYKACAWIQRR8Xbr dUcwHqcpqKtcG3ShZRxfaAUCZNf71AIbIgCBCRBcG3ShZRxfaHYgBBkWCgAdFiEEUfF263VHMB6n KairXBt0oWUcX2gFAmTX+9QACgkQXBt0oWUcX2jeSwD6AtWn0cuo8IF35YRo4o3cDRJnUfJnbvJy GxyCDThR+zYBAKG6/jdwmZkBQZKslnDAbMMd2WfiZZT5JW3IWC4EaKMO7HkBAKYPGZ3UbfkRvfFK S+pQ9CgtNfkSJQBtT1Ob7Y6nsacgAQCpyXN7yppmhW/oBgivITPy9Lkg+V4NK9WZYZCU9Q7LBA== Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:44:44 +0200 Message-ID: <87ikrodf5v.fsf@thaodan.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar >> Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 19:41:32 +0200 >>=20 >> > I'd prefer not to change defaults in Emacs 30 at this point, but if >> > you think the current defaults might be not useful, then I'll ask in >> > what version(s) of current systems using KDE this change happened, and >> > how probable is it that users are still using those old versions? >>=20 >> The change happened in KDE 4 which was released in 2008. The change >> would break users of KDE3 which isn't supported anymore since 15 years >> by now. >> So the change would fix the behavior of users which are still on KDE 4 >> or 5 >> (Technically KDE Plasma in this context after KDE3) and those which use >> the latest stable KDE Plasma 6. >>=20 >> > Installing on master doesn't need to delve into these issues, since if >> > we are wrong, we have enough time for users to holler and for us to >> > fix. Emacs 30, OTOH, is very close to the release, so we must be very >> > certain this change cannot cause any trouble. >>=20 >> I don't think there's a chance for that. > > Famous last words... KDE3 isn't used anymore even if so any release after has significantly by more users. Why support KDE3?=20 >> If you decide to install the change on Emacs 30. Do you want me to send >> the patch again with the changes mentioned by you i.e. defcustom version >> and type? > > I still think we should install this on master. AFAIK, we had exactly > zero complaints about these defaults, perhaps for the simple reason > that it is easy to customize a user option if its default is wrong for > a user. Most users would probably set the `browse-url-browser-function' or the default detected happens to be the right default function. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 12 13:53:52 2024 Received: (at 74775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2024 18:53:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40305 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLoJs-0002JR-Bx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:53:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36870) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tLoJq-0002JB-7p for 74775@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:53:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tLoJk-0006Uu-UF; Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:53:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=hyf0mGRzf4A/n+1q9+kMj2s0pFrYjQbqJhZQUAk+fxk=; b=Et3WJHp3b0vVIFkIYHvG oIFJ9sITWXE8J5Io8a8RBWvRfdDnPNHlzf3QVnLTrvmfW4ZyqgIeNHyqr5AyYi09hHf9DWmxWc/sd FJuhVWLd1Z7DiG9hJejGabfGZcoC3OKL6qxeDdYGm4xKk8s0eVJw1v8qpfORjNQjAVX7huAGY1Z5W gYjc7FoCoc38OocSUJZO7flOTXocpiyOCE4dYgRMd1UhH7fyFT2/TJHrGmJKYnSOrRe8U7y69Ha8R dUiHju+Hn3cAjM+1NJVny1GOvhf2q+mle8bGKYoJvPwcDU8dLFjCf/NHBy2FNRDnsq2nBYnpEXdJZ vOzbq/OakfxwIw==; Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:53:41 +0200 Message-Id: <86ed2czqa2.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar In-Reply-To: <87ikrodf5v.fsf@thaodan.de> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6r?= =?utf-8?Q?n?= Bidar on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:44:44 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables References: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> <86ttba2o4e.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmg6ce2b.fsf@thaodan.de> <86bjxi2g4a.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikrodf5v.fsf@thaodan.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Björn Bidar > Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:44:44 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> > Installing on master doesn't need to delve into these issues, since if > >> > we are wrong, we have enough time for users to holler and for us to > >> > fix. Emacs 30, OTOH, is very close to the release, so we must be very > >> > certain this change cannot cause any trouble. > >> > >> I don't think there's a chance for that. > > > > Famous last words... > > KDE3 isn't used anymore even if so any release after has significantly > by more users. > Why support KDE3? Because it is completely legitimate for people running old systems with KDE3 to want to install a new Emacs. > >> If you decide to install the change on Emacs 30. Do you want me to send > >> the patch again with the changes mentioned by you i.e. defcustom version > >> and type? > > > > I still think we should install this on master. AFAIK, we had exactly > > zero complaints about these defaults, perhaps for the simple reason > > that it is easy to customize a user option if its default is wrong for > > a user. > > Most users would probably set the `browse-url-browser-function' or the > default detected happens to be the right default function. Sorry, I couldn't understand what you want to say here. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Björn Bidar >> Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:44:44 +0200 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> > Installing on master doesn't [...] Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED RBL: ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. [185.216.177.71 listed in sa-trusted.bondedsender.org] 0.0 RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED RBL: ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to Validity was blocked. See https://knowledge.validity.com/hc/en-us/articles/20961730681243 for more information. [185.216.177.71 listed in bl.score.senderscore.com] 1.2 INVALID_MSGID Message-Id is not valid, according to RFC 2822 X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar >> Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2024 18:44:44 +0200 >>=20 >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>=20 >> >> > Installing on master doesn't need to delve into these issues, since= if >> >> > we are wrong, we have enough time for users to holler and for us to >> >> > fix. Emacs 30, OTOH, is very close to the release, so we must be v= ery >> >> > certain this change cannot cause any trouble. >> >>=20 >> >> I don't think there's a chance for that. >> > >> > Famous last words... >>=20 >> KDE3 isn't used anymore even if so any release after has significantly >> by more users. >> Why support KDE3?=20 > > Because it is completely legitimate for people running old systems > with KDE3 to want to install a new Emacs. It is a strange thought to not apply a fix for less old or current system just because potentially some person might install the next Emacs release on a almost 20 year old system.=20 >> >> If you decide to install the change on Emacs 30. Do you want me to se= nd >> >> the patch again with the changes mentioned by you i.e. defcustom vers= ion >> >> and type? >> > >> > I still think we should install this on master. AFAIK, we had exactly >> > zero complaints about these defaults, perhaps for the simple reason >> > that it is easy to customize a user option if its default is wrong for >> > a user. >>=20 >> Most users would probably set the `browse-url-browser-function' or the >> default detected happens to be the right default function. > > Sorry, I couldn't understand what you want to say here. I'm saying that this issue doesn't come up to most users because they change these options before trying to use the defaults in this instance. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 14 03:19:45 2024 Received: (at 74775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2024 08:19:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45312 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tMNNI-0002yt-L3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 03:19:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52026) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tMNND-0002yc-4C for 74775@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 03:19:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMNN5-0004fu-P9; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 03:19:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=VL7+Jpevnoyty+sCfwyRLia1n5muBqGevNBp+2cGPGE=; b=ch7i4C54ynODwIgO2twR BPzOy61sP0iGkYgU1eYX36dIGyLyjCDfaJuKc4JSR8uqmLAMaHk6Hg+oWQxnHOOrT1vsAhu6xeBCr 4Q9ruaehJe4AItHm1ZQEJBpKdUDj6LOVvl1KuOYzANHpwo8+RbJ43dZhh2TQZQNlRrVTHdNs3tsUb m37ZXvkHbH0erG6vhDO8+G4zbVulW0mwjtwQ+JHIDQsyiFJxsvVKNlKelWXFPcRvl1vEfrRTfTT+C SI0ASuEY3iDeuNNPtDLPAG+Z9vhTzXoAWTsGOK11SGUcmyr5t4314iDIPglPp9RR9WL5voyzRs83D hckp6yHHjsN8Rw==; Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 10:19:28 +0200 Message-Id: <86ed2awub3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar In-Reply-To: <87ttb7qjmr.fsf@> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar on Sat, 14 Dec 2024 00:54:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables References: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> <86ttba2o4e.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmg6ce2b.fsf@thaodan.de> <86bjxi2g4a.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikrodf5v.fsf@thaodan.de> <86ed2czqa2.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttb7qjmr.fsf@> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Björn Bidar > Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 00:54:20 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> KDE3 isn't used anymore even if so any release after has significantly > >> by more users. > >> Why support KDE3? > > > > Because it is completely legitimate for people running old systems > > with KDE3 to want to install a new Emacs. > > It is a strange thought to not apply a fix for less old or current > system just because potentially some person might install the next > Emacs release on a almost 20 year old system. That's not the reason: we will apply the change to master without any delays. The reason not to install this in Emacs 30 is because Emacs 30 will be released VSN, and we don't have any time to get feedback from people who might be adversely affected by this change, even though we consider such breakage unlikely. Installing on master allows us ample time for collecting such feedback, or deciding by lack thereof that the change cannot break anything. > >> Most users would probably set the `browse-url-browser-function' or the > >> default detected happens to be the right default function. > > > > Sorry, I couldn't understand what you want to say here. > > I'm saying that this issue doesn't come up to most users because they > change these options before trying to use the defaults in this instance. In which case this is not urgent, and installing on master should be enough. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 14 03:21:50 2024 Received: (at 74775) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2024 08:21:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45321 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tMNPF-00038o-7x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 03:21:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46424) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1tMNPD-00038Y-5N for 74775@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 03:21:43 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tMNP0-0004zW-Pq; Sat, 14 Dec 2024 03:21:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=BzQN5PYz6mCYbHbXUZ79EefJ8fe0wAAimLLTJBTe6Bk=; b=oS/a5ng/dvaIyZjW7115 d9nO3Men/OQnA01lx3D4IzSJWI4/6tMSMGvbHS5tF+Ts8q0xpcMNUMzAU+cUewi1HuPSeJN4xsslc x6j+6AiG2yHSawygcF+/An04YWJTrkgC7d/Jg4eOpXs32JcuBju9PsnJ61/2FPsEMUeiQ0aaz1DVC 2fD2Yj0DZH1vcdlbRwgttk1S/CP1U3BCOcjDsJDf2MIVMpBcMAeL9dZ+QKkSoNv2gTvGNuNxGEs8P rgI4n8KuQ9WJTbej5QCrz1VHRVvZjHuXtnXncHKH3eVAGU6VWK8mwNmr5DN9oEzpzrt2uqCJKJZwI 3ahrE19MkwTgxw==; Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 10:21:26 +0200 Message-Id: <86cyhuwu7t.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar In-Reply-To: <87ttb7qjmr.fsf@> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar on Sat, 14 Dec 2024 00:54:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#74775: [PATCH] Update browse-url-kde variables References: <86jzc64cod.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyhyuxjh.fsf@thaodan.de> <86ttba2o4e.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmg6ce2b.fsf@thaodan.de> <86bjxi2g4a.fsf@gnu.org> <87ikrodf5v.fsf@thaodan.de> <86ed2czqa2.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttb7qjmr.fsf@> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 74775 Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Björn Bidar > Cc: 74775@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 00:54:20 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> KDE3 isn't used anymore even if so any release after has significantly > >> by more users. > >> Why support KDE3? > > > > Because it is completely legitimate for people running old systems > > with KDE3 to want to install a new Emacs. > > It is a strange thought to not apply a fix for less old or current > system just because potentially some person might install the next > Emacs release on a almost 20 year old system. That's not the reason: we installed the change on master without any delays. The reason not to install this in Emacs 30 is because Emacs 30 will be released VSN, and we don't have any time to get feedback from people who might be adversely affected by this change, even though we consider such breakage unlikely. Installing on master allows us ample time for collecting such feedback, or deciding by lack thereof that the change cannot break anything. > >> Most users would probably set the `browse-url-browser-function' or the > >> default detected happens to be the right default function. > > > > Sorry, I couldn't understand what you want to say here. > > I'm saying that this issue doesn't come up to most users because they > change these options before trying to use the defaults in this instance. In which case this is not urgent, and installing on master should be enough. Thanks. 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