From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7388: 24.0.50; "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway?" or let them live on, but exit emacs Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 7388 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 7388@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.12895950111791 (code B ref -1); Fri, 12 Nov 2010 20:51:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2010 20:50:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0ZX-0000Sq-4v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:50:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0ZV-0000Sl-SU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:50:10 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0eA-0003pD-Tk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:54:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:55652) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0dy-0003lq-Aw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:54:58 -0500 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41528 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PH0d1-0000oW-GF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:54:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0cp-0003et-Tm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:53:37 -0500 Received: from caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.74]:36185 helo=homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PH0cp-0003eh-N0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:53:35 -0500 Received: from homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB84859807B for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:53:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to:subject :date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; q=dns; s=jidanni.org ; b=BMK93DkNwHM+IVQGrpOGDfknK4ZCUIZ/3vSWpD7eOQPMuxZXPPiPLESb4Dqe MFBKJh2w+WZ+255I48BQy7H+7uk1ogiabbzoMbKcLAoWy6ZpwKZHayUcFz8Cfcyu QeJ5qsMcVmShquA2u/hnWgjaLCReejXnJ4BBvMcwvExpzU4= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=jidanni.org; h=from:to :subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= jidanni.org; bh=5MzJyei4ouOY1eJRwysMLXmuWDs=; b=OeVygebFgIAfz1/a XgbJFP+uXQ4d3cK5t9zxYyiqT6aXbnetvuWdhcXgRToZq5Z5DjRNxu7Tbrn9Vk+u rWYSjl1DDhWYdr/mMKflszyjlMXI2j6qucj4Tgw856l6BYdtoubKjBErZpdlS3N6 M7PeT1L2RoNMHqYjSguAsHWWVS8= Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-0-121.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.0.121]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jidanni@jidanni.org) by homiemail-a6.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 64FBD59807A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:53:33 -0800 (PST) From: jidanni@jidanni.org Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:57:10 +0800 Message-ID: <87sjz6z7y1.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)" Why is there no third choice: "let them live on, but exit emacs"? Hasn't emacs ever heard of bash's $ help disown etc.? How could mighty emacs not be capable of things like that? And the whole thing should be reworded clearer too. Perhaps even implement choosing which processes are to live on after emacs exits. From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7388: 24.0.50; "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway?" or let them live on, but exit emacs Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 01:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7388 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 7388@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 7388-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7388.157101542123616 (code B ref 7388); Mon, 14 Oct 2019 01:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 7388) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2019 01:10:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37339 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJosO-00068n-VT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:10:21 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:43482) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJosN-00068c-24 for 7388@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:10:19 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iJosI-0007oQ-HJ; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:16 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87sjz6z7y1.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87sjz6z7y1.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Sat, 13 Nov 2010 02:57:10 +0800") Message-ID: <87pnj0t9mx.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)" > Why is there no third choice: "let them live on, but exit emacs"? > Hasn't emacs ever heard of bash's $ help disown etc.? How could [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)" > Why is there no third choice: "let them live on, but exit emacs"? > Hasn't emacs ever heard of bash's $ help disown etc.? How could mighty > emacs not be capable of things like that? > And the whole thing should be reworded clearer too. > Perhaps even implement choosing which processes are to live on after > emacs exits. I don't think implementing this would be impossible (although perhaps a bit tricky to make it work on all OS-es: I have no idea), but I've never felt a need for this. If there's no good use case, then I don't see the point, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 13 21:10:24 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2019 01:10:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37342 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJosS-000698-CY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:10:24 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:43496) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJosP-00068r-Ok for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:10:22 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iJosN-0007oc-3h for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:18 +0200 Message-Id: <87o8ykt9mt.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #7388 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 7388 wontfix close 7388 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 7388 wontfix close 7388 quit From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#7388: 24.0.50; "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway?" or let them live on, but exit emacs Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7388 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 7388@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org Received: via spool by 7388-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7388.157103697216311 (code B ref 7388); Mon, 14 Oct 2019 07:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 7388) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2019 07:09:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37810 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuTz-0004Ez-Gc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:09:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34653) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuTx-0004El-4V for 7388@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:09:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47651) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuTr-0002Cf-Kw; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:09:23 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2388 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iJuTq-00049F-Ik; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:09:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 10:09:18 +0300 Message-Id: <83lftnkdlt.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87pnj0t9mx.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:14 +0200) References: <87sjz6z7y1.fsf@jidanni1.jidanni.org> <87pnj0t9mx.fsf@gnus.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 03:10:14 +0200 > Cc: 7388@debbugs.gnu.org > > jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > > > "Active processes exist; kill them and exit anyway? (yes or no)" > > Why is there no third choice: "let them live on, but exit emacs"? > > Hasn't emacs ever heard of bash's $ help disown etc.? How could mighty > > emacs not be capable of things like that? > > And the whole thing should be reworded clearer too. > > Perhaps even implement choosing which processes are to live on after > > emacs exits. > > I don't think implementing this would be impossible (although perhaps a > bit tricky to make it work on all OS-es: I have no idea), but I've never > felt a need for this. If there's no good use case, then I don't see the > point, so I'm closing this bug report. Right. Emacs subprocesses generally are connected to Emacs via pipes or PTYs, so letting them live when Emacs exits will leave a broken process whose standard handles point to the great void.