GNU bug report logs - #73812
30.0.91; ERC 5.6.0.30.1: Customizing erc-modules loads ERC when starting Emacs

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Message #41 received at 73812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 73812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, acorallo <at> gnu.org, emacs-erc <at> gnu.org,
 stefankangas <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#73812: 30.0.91; ERC 5.6.0.30.1: Customizing erc-modules
 loads ERC when starting Emacs
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2024 08:40:54 -0700

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: "J.P." <jp <at> neverwas.me>
>> Cc: 73812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-erc <at> gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
>> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2024 17:49:43 -0700
>> 
>> Dear auxiliary maintainers,
>> 
>> It seems Eli has tired of my nagging or is otherwise indisposed when it
>> comes to this issue.
>
> I have not.  But you made the mistake of quoting only a little bit
> from the previous message, from which I couldn't even understand those
> were my words.  And I generally avoid commenting on changes related to
> ERC because I don't use it and am not familiar with its code.
>
> In the future, if it's my/our decision that you are seeking, please
> quote more of the context and ask for our response explicitly, to
> avoid these misunderstandings.

Makes sense. My apologies.

>
>> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> >
>> >>> All in all, I'd prefer to leave this alone in Emacs 30.  We have time
>> >>> to try reverting this on master and seeing whether it's a net win or a
>> >>> net loss, given the past history of the issue.  (AFAIU, if you remove
>> >>> this line, some change is pertinent in the manual?)
>> >
>> > It's been reverted on master for ten days now with no complaints:
>> >
>> >   https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=1854f275
>> >
>> > If that's long enough to qualify as a net win, can we proceed with a
>> > backport?
>> 
>> It's been two weeks now since I was tasked with reverting this on master
>> in order to assess the damage, of which none has since been reported.
>> 
>> Apologies if I'm out of line in pressing the issue, but I'm driven by a
>> need to advocate for ERC's users, who've suffered greatly in the past
>> due to my cowardliness in similar situations [1]. As such, I would very
>> much appreciate a final verdict on this matter.
>
> I'd prefer to wait a little longer for any fallout of reverting this
> on master.  IME, two weeks is not long enough, as many people take
> several weeks to update their builds.  Emacs 30 is not going to be
> released tomorrow, so we still have time.
>
> Let's talk about this in two more weeks, ok?

Sounds good. Thanks.

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