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Therefore it should say "xyz.jpg cannot be shown properly on your terminal." (If they really want to see the bytes, they can use find-file.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 10 07:29:27 2024 Received: (at 73727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2024 11:29:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58869 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1syrME-0003mp-L8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:29:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60878) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1syrMB-0003mY-23; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:29:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1syrLu-0006LD-1Z; Thu, 10 Oct 2024 07:29:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+FxpQ4acEPhZPSZmnm1P6egHHuCEVE0dcBRZ/KpsAQw=; b=BIoYbWU3nm1Z Br0QRnk5DRvauPDhrK5C2sCs/LqSs4Pqc54qlxg1kEvhbshRlte77zwe+dxZ5Ps5+o820M3w883iq 1vSEBzOOYAysF0SS9eNJBPGK9km/Rp6QMB+IXuX1LcPObiFhAQTwD/H3043E0asCcqho9GxjJLTod D9YPcCSYyR7QrdnkIdv91Y8iY0GXrUu8zUy0zUgvtC5fA4hU+aEMrwTnedBiYiS3GIDPqmBhTdsvO muWoXeXyq9if+azCzLlJjnhsUltoODE2jjUfmqlUuey7bp8r8KWaueSUs7MaxeM0K98o256OFgzr1 ZF/XHOvExbCz+5CfXI3SaQ==; Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 14:29:00 +0300 Message-Id: <86set419j7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87iku0z1cj.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Thu, 10 Oct 2024 18:41:48 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#73727: dired-view-file vs. emacs -nw References: <87iku0z1cj.3.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73727 Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 73727 notabug wontfix thanks > From: Dan Jacobson > Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2024 18:41:48 +0800 > > v runs the command dired-view-file which works great even on images etc. > except when the user is using emacs -nw, in which case it just spews the > a lot of binary stuff on the screen which the user was not expecting. > Therefore it should say "xyz.jpg cannot be shown properly on your > terminal." (If they really want to see the bytes, they can use > find-file.) That's not the Emacs way. Emacs allows users to visit any kind of files, including those which display as binary garbage. Moreover, even on GUI frames, users can customize Emacs to never show image files as images when they are visited. Refusing to visit an image file just because it cannot be displayed as an image is something Emacs never did and should not do. dired-view-file's doc string says: In Dired, examine a file in view mode, returning to Dired when done. When file is a directory, show it in this buffer if it is inserted. Otherwise, display it in another buffer. There's nothing here about showing image files as images or not at all. Perhaps you were confused by the "view" part, but that refers to view-mode, not to "viewing" an image. So I don't see any bugs here, and don't think we should "fix" anything in this matter. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 11 05:28:37 2024 Received: (at 73727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2024 09:28:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1szBwq-0006Qw-Tf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:28:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37820) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1szBwo-0006Qf-Dv for 73727@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:28:35 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1szBwW-0003bc-HV; Fri, 11 Oct 2024 05:28:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=xBMVdfVNHwAlVgCH8aNqthanj1wApEeQi9uLWOUAbts=; b=b1CbkY9t89DO jwaUR4iYzjC++vz6wEqr7rm3mFe8KzbbVp72syzypWpW/9Jx4U7/SJnNDYnZFWdR4MWoCspa9xrwX GR/0cuMsNrDdiPyJlgYfVyUDnq5mrp497QshgqGvdq0kB93IFeA1YaQ+h54p3SIv7u3jyWLcB3x2v gK1dPXlcNYB0pFADvveTfCunqRe3RVZ0wLOlJcmVBLPmOMe7VWrXfz1TDftBvUuZhAlZOMMkwfss6 hLjS22yXH/OS3bMzZpj6jhkgKwEAVrVXA6AzO//9tJydP9aA2TeEb34m8tSPzBOBYLtnpeHSOMFho iaZMD7YP1xJJnt3GaZwnXQ==; Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:28:14 +0300 Message-Id: <86ldyvyonl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87y12vkqax.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Fri, 11 Oct 2024 16:16:22 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#73727: dired-view-file vs. emacs -nw References: <87iku0z1cj.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86set419j7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y12vkqax.3.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73727 Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 16:16:22 +0800 > > All I know is a couple more erroneous keystroks, and one ends up > accidentally editing one of these files, with its regexp parser choking > long lines... might end up using all the CPU... dired-view-file visits the file in read-only mode, so you are not supposed to edit it unless you really mean to... IOW, it sounds like there was some cockpit error in your case, and you somehow decided that it's Emacs's fault. It isn't. 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Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:05:29 +0800 From: Dan Jacobson To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#73727: dired-view-file vs. emacs -nw References: <87iku0z1cj.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86set419j7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y12vkqax.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86ldyvyonl.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:05:29 +0800 Message-ID: <874j4zsus6.3.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73727 Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: EZ> dired-view-file visits the file in read-only mode, so you are not EZ> supposed to edit it unless you really mean to... (Actually there are tons of keys that will, if held down a little too long, end up inserting characters into the top of JPGs: RET dired-find-file e .. f dired-find-file o dired-find-file-other-window Yes, users should then use "undo".) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 26 03:05:29 2024 Received: (at 73727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2024 07:05:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40409 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1t4arZ-0004GO-0l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2024 03:05:29 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1t4arX-0004G9-S8 for 73727@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2024 03:05:28 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t4aqu-0001C6-OQ; Sat, 26 Oct 2024 03:04:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=cztSglqfCepIvhFI477YYkMiovI3BIRrrKG1gzj6Lss=; b=OB2V34ju9Ep2 idsDcv2V2EjXzNWiaYHQdkfWYr2XAAlmAgoE8TofFSyJ2FrEmu3ENr4aFxkZcN3DfWz7JAxfHSx63 wHuVZXKlQFiiC2E8OKQ+Jmhfwk1RykYtDiho4BXNmDCjvto3qS5rgQ7CXF4NBWjCC9I54RVeMrEBZ TLOkefmOOEaFhpO2qcX4SCJ9vG5qb+UZjwVPtWhNNje6CftBI3qOF56JGVkCa91vFxEeIldsBGw98 ub+DR8tlqns8/AGv9EVaOR/s6DUZGzPvvGgSzcZDtUvnb8pdjjvpPpScddvfLJsUNq47Pjnhj29kT hetMJAp5ZFWKcAzvvuYGvA==; Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 10:04:47 +0300 Message-Id: <8634kjbb00.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <874j4zsus6.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:05:29 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#73727: dired-view-file vs. emacs -nw References: <87iku0z1cj.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86set419j7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y12vkqax.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86ldyvyonl.fsf@gnu.org> <874j4zsus6.3.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73727 Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 06:05:29 +0800 > > >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: > EZ> dired-view-file visits the file in read-only mode, so you are not > EZ> supposed to edit it unless you really mean to... > > (Actually there are tons of keys that will, if held down a little too > long, end up inserting characters into the top of JPGs: > > RET dired-find-file > e .. f dired-find-file > o dired-find-file-other-window > > Yes, users should then use "undo".) I don't see how this changes what I already told above. 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If you used emacs -nw exclusively for two months, like I have, you would notice even more problems. E.g., every time the user opens an image file by accident, they will see, along with the binary mess, "File mode specification error: (error Display does not support images)" It would be better to warn them "emacs -nw has no image support. Use find-file-literally if you really want to edit this image." and not open the file. What's worse is view-mode doesn't even have a warning. Sure, it is tailored for the 1% of users who really are using emacs -nw to view the guts of JPGs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 26 09:31:34 2024 Received: (at 73727) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2024 13:31:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40907 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1t4gtB-00069r-Vm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:31:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1t4gt9-00069c-3x for 73727@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:31:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t4gsV-0006wD-Qs; Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:30:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=hWC7mLtkflBw78ztEsZE36NXiP4bbrTwv3HHaiHpm8E=; b=paoWT7hDK515 3ZRGzKAqF/68rsIMoVibeUvISgniPXasuwSpRfP9hyc/WZetfbXoOo4C8y7EApK3UdEQSBlGqDB4H 1OoPB8FTquXNqNFdEXAzqbJ7mLjSOO/Q920Sw3HK30ownBgAczpVHGlQgr1U8j07lkqyO4WiFWpHB RX+7OESxvQiAVnHCRq7efjdXnbNmT/6/qCYSwpfWAo2BroP3NW/R2Ko0L5MhnNBHAESqknokCa0ql zv1HeWtNiXhud/6wEAGBbckX/ejoqDHxF8eVJqJ9OELw4wPEbmJ0JV5AV+m7MnX6bHwv5d90Ga2tg MPlGYwG3egLDLF3ci37cfw==; Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:30:47 +0300 Message-Id: <86ttcz9ek8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87wmhvnsvr.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:57:44 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#73727: dired-view-file vs. emacs -nw References: <87iku0z1cj.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86set419j7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y12vkqax.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86ldyvyonl.fsf@gnu.org> <874j4zsus6.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <8634kjbb00.fsf@gnu.org> <87wmhvnsvr.3.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73727 Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2024 16:57:44 +0800 > > >>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii writes: > EZ> I don't see how this changes what I already told above. > > If you used emacs -nw exclusively for two months, like I have, you would > notice even more problems. I'm using "emacs -nw" all the time. As are others. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 27 06:17:35 2024 Received: (at 73727-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Oct 2024 10:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43874 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1t50L0-0005bI-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 06:17:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36212) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1t50Kz-0005b3-65 for 73727-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 06:17:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1t50KL-00028a-4f; Sun, 27 Oct 2024 06:16:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=IHxY3WoiF4BwYHWjGKsmYdhCw1RYc79p1gEuKGMVjtU=; b=o+347PEhsbwS gL9cKgMbTt2VF3U8EG+6jpobWaZLBpZ5DtCbIwHCOQVdQtI/MVMqVjl4W0QBXeolm3/yiMSvUJ1TK 8Ps0Dzehc6aiPtgD+vyr2SbJkdG4clp7CxBGHu5cKL5FIcDzSWeBYMGoshgoWymjXnb1bgyH8kri5 Oq9k7UvMhubhYUedMPEGWVLcl+2k789srMB4RBP1qIksv2yH/npz7igiSY22LUp0JJrtZtc1NK5Ib eoNebv9is6j8Ly8PTOIjVdij8F3ZmVQgPr9uo1lqaW1KfBxdW5LI5sB2XD4G8ymUnerq4GE57XAue fxkKMKz0IAEfmNM8E3kicA==; Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <86r081am0c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: jidanni@jidanni.org In-Reply-To: <86ldyvyonl.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:28:14 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#73727: dired-view-file vs. emacs -nw References: <87iku0z1cj.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86set419j7.fsf@gnu.org> <87y12vkqax.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86ldyvyonl.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 73727-done Cc: 73727-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 12:28:14 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > From: Dan Jacobson > > Cc: 73727@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2024 16:16:22 +0800 > > > > All I know is a couple more erroneous keystroks, and one ends up > > accidentally editing one of these files, with its regexp parser choking > > long lines... might end up using all the CPU... > > dired-view-file visits the file in read-only mode, so you are not > supposed to edit it unless you really mean to... > > IOW, it sounds like there was some cockpit error in your case, and you > somehow decided that it's Emacs's fault. It isn't. No substantial new information or comments about this in more than 2 weeks, so I'm now closing this bug. From unknown Thu Jun 19 13:56:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 12:24:10 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator