GNU bug report logs - #73715
Parts of Info require mouse

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From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Parts of Info require mouse
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 10:50:16 +0800

Here we are looking at the top of a typical Info (C-h i) page:

     (make)Top > Functions > Text Functions

     8.2 Functions for String Substitution and Analysis

The problem is there is no way to get our cursor on top of the link
"Functions" in order to click it.

The only way to click it requires a mouse.

That is too bad when using emacs -nw too.

Try it: C-f, C-p just cannot reach it.

Message #8 received at 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
To: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73715: Parts of Info require mouse
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 12:13:03 +0530

[புதன் அக்டோபர் 09, 2024] Dan Jacobson wrote:

> Here we are looking at the top of a typical Info (C-h i) page:
>
>      (make)Top > Functions > Text Functions
>
>      8.2 Functions for String Substitution and Analysis
>
> The problem is there is no way to get our cursor on top of the link
> "Functions" in order to click it.
>
> The only way to click it requires a mouse.
>
> That is too bad when using emacs -nw too.
>
> Try it: C-f, C-p just cannot reach it.

u will do the same as clicking on Functions.

Message #11 received at 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73715: Parts of Info require mouse
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 17:01:56 +0800

>>>>> "V" == Visuwesh  <visuweshm <at> gmail.com> writes:
V> u will do the same as clicking on Functions.
That's nice to know.
But we more plebeian users want to crawl up there with our cursor
anyway.
In
   (make)Top > Functions > Text Functions
We can crawl up to "(make)Top" why not "Functions" also?

Message #14 received at 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman <at> gmx.net>
To: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Visuwesh <visuweshm <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#73715: Parts of Info require mouse
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 11:41:21 +0200

On Wed, 09 Oct 2024 17:01:56 +0800 Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org> wrote:

>>>>>> "V" == Visuwesh  <visuweshm <at> gmail.com> writes:
> V> u will do the same as clicking on Functions.
> That's nice to know.
> But we more plebeian users want to crawl up there with our cursor
> anyway.
> In
>    (make)Top > Functions > Text Functions
> We can crawl up to "(make)Top" why not "Functions" also?

The string "(make)Top > Functions > Text Functions" is a display
property.  If you don't want it, you can customize Info-use-header-line
to nil, then kill and reload the Info manual.  Then the first line of
Info nodes is accessible from the keyboard.

Steve Berman

Message #17 received at 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, visuweshm <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#73715: Parts of Info require mouse
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 15:54:04 +0300

> Cc: 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 17:01:56 +0800
> 
> >>>>> "V" == Visuwesh  <visuweshm <at> gmail.com> writes:
> V> u will do the same as clicking on Functions.
> That's nice to know.
> But we more plebeian users want to crawl up there with our cursor
> anyway.
> In
>    (make)Top > Functions > Text Functions
> We can crawl up to "(make)Top" why not "Functions" also?

I don't know why you cannot crawl with 'u', because I can.

Message #20 received at 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman <at> gmx.net, visuweshm <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#73715: Parts of Info require mouse
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 21:37:34 +0800

I'm just saying that users shouldn't need to know about "u",
and should still be able to get there via C-f and C-p,
and without needing any customization.

Message #23 received at 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman <at> gmx.net, visuweshm <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#73715: Parts of Info require mouse
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 17:04:03 +0300

> From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
> Cc: visuweshm <at> gmail.com,  73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,stephen.berman <at> gmx.net
> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 21:37:34 +0800
> 
> I'm just saying that users shouldn't need to know about "u",
> and should still be able to get there via C-f and C-p,
> and without needing any customization.

It isn't buffer text, so C-f and C-p cannot (and should not) get you
there.

Message #26 received at 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
Cc: 73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman <at> gmx.net, visuweshm <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#73715: Parts of Info require mouse
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 23:18:21 +0000

tags 73715 + notabug wontfix
close 73715
thanks

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni <at> jidanni.org>
>> Cc: visuweshm <at> gmail.com,  73715 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,stephen.berman <at> gmx.net
>> Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 21:37:34 +0800
>>
>> I'm just saying that users shouldn't need to know about "u",
>> and should still be able to get there via C-f and C-p,
>> and without needing any customization.
>
> It isn't buffer text, so C-f and C-p cannot (and should not) get you
> there.

Agreed.  It's also clickable.

So I don't think we're going to make any changes here.  I'm therefore
closing this bug report as wontfix.  Sorry.

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