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From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:52:45 -0700

Building Emacs 30.0.91 and later on Ubuntu 24.04 fails with a
"Pure Lisp overflowed" error. To workaround this issue, I used
the following build steps:

make bootstrap MYCPPFLAGS='-DSYSTEM_PURESIZE_EXTRA=200000'
./configure
make MYCPPFLAGS='-DSYSTEM_PURESIZE_EXTRA=400000'

Note that the 'bootstrap' build required a smaller extra size
on my system.

With these changes, the build succeeded and Emacs appears to
function normally. This was required on the current emacs-30
branch.



In GNU Emacs 30.0.91 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.41, cairo version 1.18.0) of 2024-09-21 built on sam
Repository revision: c1f2501f55d7454222389244512f732ac5e778b4
Repository branch: mg-emacs-30
System Description: Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS

Configured using:
 'configure --with-pgtk --with-imagemagick --with-native-compilation
 --with-tree-sitter --without-compress-install --with-webp
 --prefix=/home/mark/emacs'

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Message #8 received at 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>, Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:12:24 +0300

> From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:52:45 -0700
> 
> Building Emacs 30.0.91 and later on Ubuntu 24.04 fails with a
> "Pure Lisp overflowed" error. To workaround this issue, I used
> the following build steps:
> 
> make bootstrap MYCPPFLAGS='-DSYSTEM_PURESIZE_EXTRA=200000'
> ./configure
> make MYCPPFLAGS='-DSYSTEM_PURESIZE_EXTRA=400000'
> 
> Note that the 'bootstrap' build required a smaller extra size
> on my system.
> 
> With these changes, the build succeeded and Emacs appears to
> function normally. This was required on the current emacs-30
> branch.

Thanks, but 400KB of pure space is too much to just increase the size
without understanding why this is needed.  Did you really need 400KB,
or would a smaller number do?  If the latter, what is the smallest
addition that avoids the overflow in your case?

Also, please answer the following questions:

  . what was the absolute file name of the top-level directory where
    you unpacked the pretest tarball (assuming that this happens with
    building the pretest, not a Git checkout)?
  . what were the commands you used to build?
  . does the problem go away if you build a "normal" Emacs, i.e. not a
    PGTK build?

Message #11 received at 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 15:53:23 -0700

> Thanks, but 400KB of pure space is too much to just increase the size
> without understanding why this is needed.  Did you really need 400KB,
> or would a smaller number do?  If the latter, what is the smallest
> addition that avoids the overflow in your case?

290000 is the smallest that works, with or without --with-pgtk

>  . what was the absolute file name of the top-level directory where
>    you unpacked the pretest tarball (assuming that this happens with
>    building the pretest, not a Git checkout)?

This is built from git checkout of emacs-30 or emacs-30.0.91 in
/home/mark/Stuff/emacs

I did some more experiments and found that my original build commands
fail but the first suggested one
in INSTALL.repo works.

> . what were the commands you used to build?

Fails:
git clean -fdx
make bootstrap -j12
./configure --with-webp
make -j12

Works:
git clean -fdx
make -j12 configure="--with-webp"

However, the first way does work if there are no 'configure' options.
Any option to configure causes a failure.

> . does the problem go away if you build a "normal" Emacs, i.e. not a
    PGTK build?

no, only if there are no options

Thanks for your help.
Mark

Mark

On Sat, Sep 21, 2024 at 10:12 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
> > Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:52:45 -0700
> >
> > Building Emacs 30.0.91 and later on Ubuntu 24.04 fails with a
> > "Pure Lisp overflowed" error. To workaround this issue, I used
> > the following build steps:
> >
> > make bootstrap MYCPPFLAGS='-DSYSTEM_PURESIZE_EXTRA=200000'
> > ./configure
> > make MYCPPFLAGS='-DSYSTEM_PURESIZE_EXTRA=400000'
> >
> > Note that the 'bootstrap' build required a smaller extra size
> > on my system.
> >
> > With these changes, the build succeeded and Emacs appears to
> > function normally. This was required on the current emacs-30
> > branch.
>
> Thanks, but 400KB of pure space is too much to just increase the size
> without understanding why this is needed.  Did you really need 400KB,
> or would a smaller number do?  If the latter, what is the smallest
> addition that avoids the overflow in your case?
>
> Also, please answer the following questions:
>
>   . what was the absolute file name of the top-level directory where
>     you unpacked the pretest tarball (assuming that this happens with
>     building the pretest, not a Git checkout)?
>   . what were the commands you used to build?
>   . does the problem go away if you build a "normal" Emacs, i.e. not a
>     PGTK build?

Message #14 received at 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
Cc: acorallo <at> gnu.org, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:51:43 +0300

> From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 15:53:23 -0700
> Cc: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > Thanks, but 400KB of pure space is too much to just increase the size
> > without understanding why this is needed.  Did you really need 400KB,
> > or would a smaller number do?  If the latter, what is the smallest
> > addition that avoids the overflow in your case?
> 
> 290000 is the smallest that works, with or without --with-pgtk
> 
> >  . what was the absolute file name of the top-level directory where
> >    you unpacked the pretest tarball (assuming that this happens with
> >    building the pretest, not a Git checkout)?
> 
> This is built from git checkout of emacs-30 or emacs-30.0.91 in
> /home/mark/Stuff/emacs
> 
> I did some more experiments and found that my original build commands
> fail but the first suggested one
> in INSTALL.repo works.
> 
> > . what were the commands you used to build?
> 
> Fails:
> git clean -fdx
> make bootstrap -j12
> ./configure --with-webp
> make -j12
> 
> Works:
> git clean -fdx
> make -j12 configure="--with-webp"
> 
> However, the first way does work if there are no 'configure' options.
> Any option to configure causes a failure.

Thanks, in that case I think this is a known issue, and we decided not
to fix it on the emacs-30 release branch because building the pretest
tarball (which doesn't require to go via bootstrap) works with the
original pure-size.

Andrea, what did we decide regarding the long-term solution for this?
Did we mean to somehow solve the issue with dynamic doc strings?

Message #17 received at 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:40:54 -0400

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 15:53:23 -0700
>> Cc: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> 
>> > Thanks, but 400KB of pure space is too much to just increase the size
>> > without understanding why this is needed.  Did you really need 400KB,
>> > or would a smaller number do?  If the latter, what is the smallest
>> > addition that avoids the overflow in your case?
>> 
>> 290000 is the smallest that works, with or without --with-pgtk
>> 
>> >  . what was the absolute file name of the top-level directory where
>> >    you unpacked the pretest tarball (assuming that this happens with
>> >    building the pretest, not a Git checkout)?
>> 
>> This is built from git checkout of emacs-30 or emacs-30.0.91 in
>> /home/mark/Stuff/emacs
>> 
>> I did some more experiments and found that my original build commands
>> fail but the first suggested one
>> in INSTALL.repo works.
>> 
>> > . what were the commands you used to build?
>> 
>> Fails:
>> git clean -fdx
>> make bootstrap -j12
>> ./configure --with-webp
>> make -j12
>> 
>> Works:
>> git clean -fdx
>> make -j12 configure="--with-webp"
>> 
>> However, the first way does work if there are no 'configure' options.
>> Any option to configure causes a failure.
>
> Thanks, in that case I think this is a known issue, and we decided not
> to fix it on the emacs-30 release branch because building the pretest
> tarball (which doesn't require to go via bootstrap) works with the
> original pure-size.
>
> Andrea, what did we decide regarding the long-term solution for this?
> Did we mean to somehow solve the issue with dynamic doc strings?

AFAIR we dedided that for master we®'ll extend the code to support
native compiled functions with lazy docs and we'll emit them even while
native compiling.

  Andrea

Message #20 received at 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: mark <at> grosen.org, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 18:56:12 +0300

> From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>,  73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:40:54 -0400
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Andrea, what did we decide regarding the long-term solution for this?
> > Did we mean to somehow solve the issue with dynamic doc strings?
> 
> AFAIR we dedided that for master we®'ll extend the code to support
> native compiled functions with lazy docs and we'll emit them even while
> native compiling.

OK, so the decision is indeed not to try solving this on emacs-30.  I
wasn't sure.

Thanks.

Message #23 received at 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: mark <at> grosen.org, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:34:49 -0400

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
>> Cc: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>,  73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:40:54 -0400
>> 
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>> 
>> > Andrea, what did we decide regarding the long-term solution for this?
>> > Did we mean to somehow solve the issue with dynamic doc strings?
>> 
>> AFAIR we dedided that for master we®'ll extend the code to support
>> native compiled functions with lazy docs and we'll emit them even while
>> native compiling.
>
> OK, so the decision is indeed not to try solving this on emacs-30.  I
> wasn't sure.

That was my understanding at least, as we could not find a simple
fix/workaround with limited impact we could install in emacs-30.  Of
course if you have a different suggestion please voice it.

Thanks

  Andrea

Message #26 received at 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
To: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 20:29:06 -0700

>> OK, so the decision is indeed not to try solving this on emacs-30.  I
>> wasn't sure.

> That was my understanding at least, as we could not find a simple
> fix/workaround with limited impact we could install in emacs-30.  Of
> course if you have a different suggestion please voice it.

Thanks for the feedback. I know how to build more efficiently now, so my
issue is closed. I will leave it to you if this warrants a line in the changelog
or INSTALL.repo.

I appreciate your quick and friendly help - thanks for all you do for Emacs!

Mark

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 11:35 AM Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> From: Andrea Corallo <acorallo <at> gnu.org>
> >> Cc: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>,  73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:40:54 -0400
> >>
> >> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> >>
> >> > Andrea, what did we decide regarding the long-term solution for this?
> >> > Did we mean to somehow solve the issue with dynamic doc strings?
> >>
> >> AFAIR we dedided that for master we®'ll extend the code to support
> >> native compiled functions with lazy docs and we'll emit them even while
> >> native compiling.
> >
> > OK, so the decision is indeed not to try solving this on emacs-30.  I
> > wasn't sure.
>
> That was my understanding at least, as we could not find a simple
> fix/workaround with limited impact we could install in emacs-30.  Of
> course if you have a different suggestion please voice it.
>
> Thanks
>
>   Andrea

Message #31 received at 73415-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
Cc: acorallo <at> gnu.org, 73415-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 09:32:59 +0300

> From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 20:29:06 -0700
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> >> OK, so the decision is indeed not to try solving this on emacs-30.  I
> >> wasn't sure.
> 
> > That was my understanding at least, as we could not find a simple
> > fix/workaround with limited impact we could install in emacs-30.  Of
> > course if you have a different suggestion please voice it.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback. I know how to build more efficiently now, so my
> issue is closed.

Thanks, closing the bug.

> I will leave it to you if this warrants a line in the changelog or
> INSTALL.repo.

We might do that, but I'd first need to understand better your reasons
for using "make bootstrap" when building from a tarball.  The Emacs
release and pretest tarballs are intentionally prepared to make the
build as fast as possible, which is why all the platform-independent
files produced by bootstrapping (notably, the configure script, all
the *.elc files, and all the Info manuals) are included in the
tarball.  So why did you decide to bootstrap?

Message #34 received at 73415-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: acorallo <at> gnu.org, 73415-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#73415: 30.0.91; Emacs 30 build fails on Ubuntu 24.04
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:51:15 -0700

Maybe it was not clear earlier in the thread, but I am using:

>>>> This is built from git checkout of emacs-30 or emacs-30.0.91 in /home/mark/Stuff/emacs

I have been using a simple script to build in-development snapshots
from git for a while and, for
historical reasons (?), always used the sequence of:

git clean -fdx
make bootstrap
./configure
make

I guess this is really not necessary any more so I will switch to the
simpler methods in INSTALL.REPO.

Mark

On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at 11:33 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > From: Mark Grosen <mark <at> grosen.org>
> > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2024 20:29:06 -0700
> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 73415 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > >> OK, so the decision is indeed not to try solving this on emacs-30.  I
> > >> wasn't sure.
> >
> > > That was my understanding at least, as we could not find a simple
> > > fix/workaround with limited impact we could install in emacs-30.  Of
> > > course if you have a different suggestion please voice it.
> >
> > Thanks for the feedback. I know how to build more efficiently now, so my
> > issue is closed.
>
> Thanks, closing the bug.
>
> > I will leave it to you if this warrants a line in the changelog or
> > INSTALL.repo.
>
> We might do that, but I'd first need to understand better your reasons
> for using "make bootstrap" when building from a tarball.  The Emacs
> release and pretest tarballs are intentionally prepared to make the
> build as fast as possible, which is why all the platform-independent
> files produced by bootstrapping (notably, the configure script, all
> the *.elc files, and all the Info manuals) are included in the
> tarball.  So why did you decide to bootstrap?

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