From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:12:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31 Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:27:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 73257 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 73257@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.17263419688826 (code B ref -1); Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:27:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2024 19:26:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47822 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1spYPI-0002IH-6Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 15:26:08 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:41686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1spYPF-0002I9-OP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 15:26:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1spYP4-0008KF-B3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 15:25:54 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-x629.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::629]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1spYP2-00035R-OL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 15:25:54 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-x629.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a8a6d1766a7so403755366b.3 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:25:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1726341951; x=1726946751; darn=gnu.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7jodx4qkjOvRvjeWKe/ZprCnkWjsKKElQ0jQPuJFDHY=; b=AmVfiWIWuxzAK4iCGjyKkcwnk55U/kpwmE9coPUj/JAKf6Sb+tBXqraw2dNrT3dbSg BVYfUn48rRBylZd6AhfnSug+WfPyzLccUHMhbVpyUce1s8uXJGfIwaXQ+XoWWUU4s4NC gAArH+HnOQT0M4G+sszLQDeD/19j2Htmg3QZamnLJvg29KCKrPCIx0ZiLR7EmGTYnynZ /JMjrdWJvugiVgBALf/wFMP7To+LTPKlO6luQ8xeZxys8EgLYausW3LYFfeaPB0MW+q6 b3IvQjXCPraTfYljEgwGbs6Hwp8oStLI+ZUXF04Q5r/GzYbIGHKJp5gzBZjOfKsiT2oK o6Ig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1726341951; x=1726946751; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7jodx4qkjOvRvjeWKe/ZprCnkWjsKKElQ0jQPuJFDHY=; b=SKCty2Ik5ia+gakpgGu56XrjA4WsoixsPTqYIdfaBd//vaidFSenhE1Wd+bwO6M4D0 6BbVP7bmbI+BT9G5ZYaZvEeMM0yEN/399/9shus8/THcQKwHqHwJsnFgJGuPTV14aA6R adm3XmR/h5FZntf70o7BcCCiPj7pPPztjeqfKak/kdKJY09SAhOtdOVWpWF5Pk7bUG/a N5BFp//QRAZuCh1UqcBlLXLvh7WyPfcEnN2fQUaIUvmoJl5cTnVNzTRgVewLekTE/3/u Q5W2VztWRlja6MpGKQuHQrnB9+OuDsmc86DEXLhr3QtfJatJi98R0uN0u+zw02gGMrtS d32A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx9tii6L9Ulco4Rf0DVO5j0KE8usVBzsFFNrBnORXJFj9K85TJF rIuH81M2PkQJnBTCURPQwjvy8gVTlUTPjcBMoE2X2PNOOfD0TwISBPR1FJZlW/C1dLta6ICWU+i auV2scPqenOhUNlh0H9HCtXYnxXKzEAkcqXI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHktOLmMrwtO/r7/y6zZDCZ/Nrj1SgTQsdi26KV2w8YsrWlrqeHfu0jCpby06x4KmM9ghNfwEnS1jWiNCiyRbg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:6a12:b0:a86:8d83:542d with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a9029617539mr981124466b.45.1726341950702; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:25:49 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:25:49 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::629; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x629.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Severity: wishlist We usually delete libraries obsoleted 10 years ago at the time of a new Emacs release. This should mean that anything made obsolete before 24.5, released on 2015-04-10, are candidates for deletion in Emacs 31. This is the full list of such libraries: 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-def.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-gpg.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-parse.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp5.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg.el 24.3 lisp/obsolete/bruce.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/info-edit.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/iswitchb.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/longlines.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/meese.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/otodo-mode.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/rcompile.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/sup-mouse.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/terminal.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/yow.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/cc-compat.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/crisp.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-edt.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-extras.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-mapper.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/vi.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/vip.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/ws-mode.el 1. We cannot yet remove iswitchb.el, as isearchb.el depends on it (see Bug#36260). 2. We also cannot remove longlines.el, as so-long.el depends on it, and even recommends it in certain cases. 3. ISTR that Eli objected to removing bruce.el in Emacs 30, so I'm assuming this objection this still stands. Are there any other blockers or considerations? 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 3cdc3e998be77373e2a0dd25ee3e2396; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 00:02:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:25:49 -0700") References: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 08:02:45 +0800 Message-ID: <87r09lokbe.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22645 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 160 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > Are there any other blockers or considerations? pgg is still being used. Please don't delete it on impulse. From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:12:14 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31 Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 05:45:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 73257 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 73257@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 73257-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B73257.172637905611709 (code B ref 73257); Sun, 15 Sep 2024 05:45:01 +0000 Received: (at 73257) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Sep 2024 05:44:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48164 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1spi3T-00032n-VO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 01:44:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1spi3R-00032V-Lk for 73257@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 01:44:14 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1spi3A-0003LF-Oe; Sun, 15 Sep 2024 01:43:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=tdBo5+99YRV+cG1vAD9Mmi/Phb4cKFuypu8TFA4yd+I=; b=qAjiG1b01l/h KL+bTnqSq/++HQSelnKiPD1eDFghqILC/tqIdn9Sb1pv/5snVI6XoiRCbKpRIHelTG6o+WTOruJWR fWNH9v6Gd85TH9Off56BlE9/8Wz51Sxblk/k7Cc/RIwSn+nBL1mrabgHba8VoEPAdou4658DGjXxj kwlWkP8H183MZVfqZGaY73zFB0oSzoQZd5tut5xUkHlFAliv002PGgDIwPQRs467c1GUcBmov8Lhd fIdj4ZvrIrRgxmsJVUyKSzJ/J+irAKqXYxDhRbzkCR+9dEjbhgcCUlPMqB9O7nLE298uqBDP2mq5h /VH+ueohhM5w8JfUQYkjPg==; Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2024 08:43:55 +0300 Message-Id: <86plp5eajo.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:25:49 -0700) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2024 12:25:49 -0700 > > 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-def.el > 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-gpg.el > 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-parse.el > 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp.el > 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp5.el > 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg.el > 24.3 lisp/obsolete/bruce.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/info-edit.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/iswitchb.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/longlines.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/meese.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/otodo-mode.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/rcompile.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/sup-mouse.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/terminal.el > 24.4 lisp/obsolete/yow.el > 24.5 lisp/obsolete/cc-compat.el > 24.5 lisp/obsolete/crisp.el > 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-edt.el > 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-extras.el > 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-mapper.el > 24.5 lisp/obsolete/vi.el > 24.5 lisp/obsolete/vip.el > 24.5 lisp/obsolete/ws-mode.el > > 1. We cannot yet remove iswitchb.el, as isearchb.el depends on it (see > Bug#36260). > > 2. We also cannot remove longlines.el, as so-long.el depends on it, and > even recommends it in certain cases. > > 3. ISTR that Eli objected to removing bruce.el in Emacs 30, so I'm > assuming this objection this still stands. > > Are there any other blockers or considerations? I'd leave the TPU and Crisp/Brief emulations alone. 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We cannot yet remove iswitchb.el, as isearchb.el depends on it (see > > Bug#36260). > > > > 2. We also cannot remove longlines.el, as so-long.el depends on it, > and > > even recommends it in certain cases. > > > > 3. ISTR that Eli objected to removing bruce.el in Emacs 30, so I'm > > assuming this objection this still stands. > > > > Are there any other blockers or considerations? >=20 > I'd leave the TPU and Crisp/Brief emulations alone. FWIW, I uploaded info-edit.el and iswitchb.el to Emacs Wiki. There are wiki pages that refer to them and code on the wiki that uses them. Dunno whether other 31-removed libraries should similarly be archived/uploaded. I'm not familiar with them. From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:12:14 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Stefan Kangas Subject: bug#73257: closed (Re: bug#73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 73257 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 73257@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2024 01:34:04 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1727660044-28415-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1727660044-28415-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #73257: 31.0.50; Deleting obsolete libraries in Emacs 31 which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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Please don't delete it on impulse. Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'd leave the TPU and Crisp/Brief emulations alone. Thanks, so after 2 weeks of feedback, we seem to have consensus around deleting 12 out of 25 of these obsolete libraries. This is the full list of libraries to delete: cc-compat.el info-edit.el meese.el otodo-mode.el rcompile.el sup-mouse.el terminal.el vi.el vip.el ws-mode.el yow.el Now done (commit 685ec273ecb). 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This should mean that anything made obsolete before 24.5, released on 2015-04-10, are candidates for deletion in Emacs 31. This is the full list of such libraries: 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-def.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-gpg.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-parse.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp5.el 24.1 lisp/obsolete/pgg.el 24.3 lisp/obsolete/bruce.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/info-edit.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/iswitchb.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/longlines.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/meese.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/otodo-mode.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/rcompile.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/sup-mouse.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/terminal.el 24.4 lisp/obsolete/yow.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/cc-compat.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/crisp.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-edt.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-extras.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/tpu-mapper.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/vi.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/vip.el 24.5 lisp/obsolete/ws-mode.el 1. We cannot yet remove iswitchb.el, as isearchb.el depends on it (see Bug#36260). 2. We also cannot remove longlines.el, as so-long.el depends on it, and even recommends it in certain cases. 3. ISTR that Eli objected to removing bruce.el in Emacs 30, so I'm assuming this objection this still stands. Are there any other blockers or considerations? ------------=_1727660044-28415-1--