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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jidanni.org; s=dreamhost; t=1722394976; bh=i9DDjRoAvYxahv0LKovQFMLI+WMKc5wpRqJgA3zQqpw=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Content-Type; b=lAOXX9/GyASN/CuoY8VE83mcShbot0l4XjQsSiJBmufk3cSB0bcuIxauH+5NXeCHr X9PVXaVpZBKTr9mhs53bKUUvU0oJAEd5I4WdhCwHlOs1F+AI+YRW/jlPpzBC9mU/c6 N+BkOrTLc1SwNsptAi3PUv+2fZkn5w0IbIoqBnQUwzhsKtElGVuzJe/jpw4GLxNBX4 rHIG71tmEOQwKfzkYueSCp57jWY5COwmnOqfnTbjV9Uj+obYD+W0q4AQKF1Dd/x/2z nFrme5l0uhyFepUpM7a7j5IfT4T5HZmHY8j3MuGM9czq7phhlGdMqCTmgx5F0YQ8L7 LzBn6P3NKzFrA== Received: from jidanni by jidanni.org with local (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1sYxy2-0000q8-0I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 09:17:26 +0800 From: Dan Jacobson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Unfair prompts and documentation of Emergency Escape Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 09:17:25 +0800 Message-ID: <87sevq9x7e.3.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.209.27; envelope-from=jidanni@jidanni.org; helo=butterfly.birch.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Regarding Emacs is resuming after an emergency escape. Auto-save? (y or n) Abort (and dump core)? (y or n) and its documentation, (info "(emacs) Emergency Escape"), well, I would just like to say it is not fair to the user, to not mention what will happen if they just hit RET. Not fair in the prompts. Not fair in the documentation. So the prompts should have one letter bigger, or use [ ] etc. to indicate if RET=y or if RET=n. And the documentation needs to document what will happen too. Or document why it doesn't document it. Oh, yes, I did try it. Two RETs. Yup. And I am still alive. However what did actually happen is a secret. By the way, maybe a thorough check should be made to identify any other "test your luck" ambiguous prompts. Also they need to look different from the prompts that indeed "won't take RET as an answer" and "demand a real answer, y or n". emacs-version "29.4" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 31 09:51:25 2024 Received: (at 72389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2024 13:51:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49382 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sZ9jh-0000g1-3S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 09:51:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50800) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sZ9jf-0000fn-Oi; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 09:51:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sZ9jJ-0000xV-W7; Wed, 31 Jul 2024 09:51:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=MIAPqb23RFjtOqSCe5zPr54kGSY9EksPZob5taMGYWA=; b=RG7TTlF+k4e0 SqMShFaj8kRZ1SFbGFShyoWZ1fKt5QHvgaq7DnuLC1BJe15A4sOEkrt+QkpY43t9XE5+c7FiUy2fs yqtWrqrzCaL70vt/8FDzR6BRH6dJLj3HF9GXbKc+y4HlMBMvP59zrcsLZ1utJktYiyX03ZJycNPHZ 0AW4vnr/3pcbhtz7JwkQHwIvYplEaaxg5VwVIcXNe7tSDDdV+U9Iy8jOF2P2v0RSCgfXCdxbebWzo RgDxBNiFwr2pRKxpEaAcJ3Iw5Sy+tbXJf8BixjWlVH3EpKnn2FHY22ralv4qX9OV3QOaZ3hazPJV3 Lpd8MGGOZvfPzkeTixlzaA==; Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 16:51:00 +0300 Message-Id: <86le1hy8jf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87sevq9x7e.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Wed, 31 Jul 2024 09:17:25 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#72389: Unfair prompts and documentation of Emergency Escape References: <87sevq9x7e.3.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72389 Cc: 72389@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 72389 notabug wontfix close 72389 thanks > From: Dan Jacobson > Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 09:17:25 +0800 > > Regarding > > Emacs is resuming after an emergency escape. > Auto-save? (y or n) > Abort (and dump core)? (y or n) > > and its documentation, (info "(emacs) Emergency Escape"), > > well, I would just like to say it is not fair to the user, > to not mention what will happen if they just hit RET. Nothing happens if you just hit RET. So I don't understand the drama. > Oh, yes, I did try it. Two RETs. Yup. > And I am still alive. > However what did actually happen is a secret. Nothing happened. Closing. 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(y or n) Say: Auto-save? (y or n, RET) >> Abort (and dump core)? (y or n) Say: Abort (and dump core)? (y or n, RET) Also say that in (info "(emacs) Emergency Escape"). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 04 06:43:43 2024 Received: (at 72389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2024 10:43:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55566 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1saYiF-0005lI-4Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 06:43:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36524) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1saYiC-0005ku-NP for 72389@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 06:43:41 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1saYhm-0006f0-2H; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 06:43:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=SAHjvX2PqVCOf7gqsRTPCwQl1DStKKcRGVlRFpe5ug8=; b=NwgBelzDTgMJ neJHx4kLYfSus1cgLAP8EzhCDz/Lv+6D8v+2cb/4gA7bYnv0M7PjU9VH++eYWMRELcRSa9T7QfWEU EoLLnBbZt8U9mdjc2JST7NS1/RgoaBN5MKAqjQ+HiRnQ+Fd3gKB6UxH7UpntAz5vMuYRNIEw6y/B5 sB6Q0fd9sY5EarAhRDn7GMTTEorUPZl8ue91ojCUtEme3iAnyYXlHyLTu0a5JSGfPR3c1nt8bQZRl 93zp41jXLobOE1KKPJ8KPWqm1shSjBXvJ6/+Z8CKOfXm5o8pYVKOaqZbBPbAfQMaDCyJujbbQtv24 8z9gkc8dG4UZEWHRxNXTTQ==; Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 13:43:04 +0300 Message-Id: <865xsgsh53.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <8734nkk20m.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Sun, 04 Aug 2024 18:36:57 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#72389: Unfair prompts and documentation of Emergency Escape References: <87sevq9x7e.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86le1hy8jf.fsf@gnu.org> <8734nkk20m.3.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72389 Cc: 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 18:36:57 +0800 > > >> Emacs is resuming after an emergency escape. > >> Auto-save? (y or n) > Say: Auto-save? (y or n, RET) > > >> Abort (and dump core)? (y or n) > Say: Abort (and dump core)? (y or n, RET) > > Also say that in (info "(emacs) Emergency Escape"). Any key except 'y' will do the same as 'n'. So we have to say Auto-save? (y or n, RET, a, b, c, d, e, f, ..., A, B, C, D, E, F,...) Right? More importantly, this text: (y or n, RET) doesn't really say what will RET do. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 04 07:23:51 2024 Received: (at 72389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2024 11:23:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55586 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1saZL4-0007fE-TZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 07:23:51 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:56129) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1saZL2-0007er-F6 for 72389@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 07:23:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.net; s=s31663417; t=1722770598; x=1723375398; i=stephen.berman@gmx.net; bh=PprnOirEhFyv9rp+zfu0jUx+BwSCg9hk9pA7to2ED/A=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:cc: content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:message-id: mime-version:reply-to:subject:to; b=GkXQbFHDTfXLz0EMHzXsTnqqIgd0jUEovZBsqBzqu5vcKFzDrkGnWSgrKAlI4lxU 8oMdw9378q2JBLdL3/KhnBZbYsGSlKiguS3OJRJFEdUMYWDbWgfscUgiQjhvEKZmI /yC+jNtwsvIGRMG+BZJDC8mhxg1eiEOhuOaeO4g5O9unp4euCV1OCg+Atm8l5EUnp +WXsROXreUVqs8ZSO3Do0WYR76HIDKdoHcTsa0ojW0ICfwyMyuna9gybBZaUJIr6W rAuERvODEyTSA8MKC2l4V7SbBThPKxR14DgsTEMu1ADvx88Wzj9J1r+bEGxX97KLZ sXIS8Z9kaJP+fk439A== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from strobelfs ([94.134.95.222]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M2wGs-1sXH0k27zw-009qqV; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 13:23:18 +0200 From: Stephen Berman To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#72389: Unfair prompts and documentation of Emergency Escape In-Reply-To: <865xsgsh53.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 04 Aug 2024 13:43:04 +0300") References: <87sevq9x7e.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86le1hy8jf.fsf@gnu.org> <8734nkk20m.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <865xsgsh53.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 13:23:17 +0200 Message-ID: <877ccwv8ey.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:PYb67objGOypkmCLAa2SejGp1C59igX2BQ5rGsJZUamOt43quxZ 28ph2gHSc4MoJpM4ItcgvhcVVhAH+IkiYmwVROONsqzyeeemxVkRKDsrS8DuOeK0X80RndF lJbbjGdEXTqrNCqSkizG/Fj/A1ZTUdCG2smtK6cISzpuuqGZYyobdQ6bwd9DQbRVDU/tB9H 2yLLeyldISY+UlrJkiQOw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:u9kAlkXAmeE=;4swe75EpopR77mLEhU0sFybX0hK mPpUgjBIHNryTfkRSqslcPTLPHe8MX3hvLEs2zR2Q7nYnXweREMA8wZuk9XAI0Bz4FtCqgwai ie7wSv/v14wqpCWIcuvYAYwef1u6YEbCn3wtXHfmDALXrb7uihs5byxgUkQ4t8nfp6/Jwxxmm 7XoWE2zu1sEmux0z8T6s+RtyAFbg6heYPUF9S2PZVLoLSQH6MgMIAqmVKfMamh9vMI2hxWMJs duin8GjqvfiVVto1FUsH31FxUXr9pKGr1jTSBThoxYbmUr6ha0+yXA68bcXeX8F9iVbzEsoaB lZAB039GT5fVshAAgptOA87nG9S7n2TwNbaKo3Fihu2D98spLRKHLph7TsK72vQULHUB3MOS+ TTqgpG0Ez4PdmOmRSjQVew5rZnOh6hPNEjtpc3ke0q/RjKN2Nqrt9StUou2FPQeWfubs4KTxl URlCevvZvnHTBCPiyRmu67K/zpHD7IYCr0ruaOZHVrqQet+OZUYON+P7E1cWAw+yCke0zUu2k s+UnEDN/1DEjoFnhtZT6NrRF4YQJbUjiKP8NkspENCEXFy+pxXD3BuyO9djuAOBSsUDtaj5WU Jf2ka1xOJUAcNJ/n7LaEVATt3q6uq4qu+IbqwfRBbY5p3EUxQV6Tw8MtSao0FzKIriQI+7tAV H3mtxkeUilW+d+jByl3srijQ77usrWMwKsINhDnm9rX3EE/9G4JZ6Zx8f0r8pqvjJ3fB5yS5d sIBQh7rAMTRfajIIP/v0mU7MfoQ7WUNIpXJ+5w6z0sPhX9/z1+HT0BHsUKWr2d7k7rKqQD7+d JDNLOuXRpT3XRMvt+QYKfeSQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72389 Cc: 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, Dan Jacobson X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Sun, 04 Aug 2024 13:43:04 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Dan Jacobson >> Cc: 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 18:36:57 +0800 >> >> >> Emacs is resuming after an emergency escape. >> >> Auto-save? (y or n) >> Say: Auto-save? (y or n, RET) >> >> >> Abort (and dump core)? (y or n) >> Say: Abort (and dump core)? (y or n, RET) >> >> Also say that in (info "(emacs) Emergency Escape"). > > Any key except 'y' will do the same as 'n'. So we have to say > > Auto-save? (y or n, RET, a, b, c, d, e, f, ..., A, B, C, D, E, F,...) > > Right? > > More importantly, this text: > > (y or n, RET) > > doesn't really say what will RET do. Instead of asking a question, what about something like this: Type 'y' to auto-save. Type 'y' to abort (and dump core). and perhaps adding something like "(typing any other key does nothing)" for completeness? Or a similar or more suitable message could be displayed on typing any other key. Steve Berman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 04 07:44:37 2024 Received: (at 72389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2024 11:44:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55597 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1saZfB-0000Oj-CG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 07:44:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38644) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1saZf9-0000Nx-FO for 72389@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 07:44:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1saZeh-0004xn-Vh; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 07:44:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=JWhVtl7Ctkzt9GXQBuT8vveg86u5kwAHxJTXrry4/k0=; b=FSe8eEvB36xn FIrL3AnOkXyBqNwF1TATlzFh2xU6ry2txCClXrjZxNYcd1XQaGa4WCc3gWK113Qv9zbR9OfruKcaI l066KeZLLoS+dlBUkGH5TDi/79l559w+dqgTA0vL6c3rhDeiyAyGY4sVVQN49lQBIPQpc6hGWt85F 2XJ7Ck6deXbLv8Gn8yY+Rarwjgt/Ri3s+e0LdR/xlwyXW79vaplRvki0KTWqD6KFHdAd3m9f0n1fn 4DijDNxQYoU688Q9ZmLA+47ak/qwngdtDJ5NNuqqnXzC7gCLOghHyVa4L8Vwiq8EksTeFjB1yOClF 5IEAzDGx7ubifriT5Hwfgw==; Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 14:43:59 +0300 Message-Id: <86zfpsqzr4.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stephen Berman In-Reply-To: <877ccwv8ey.fsf@gmx.net> (message from Stephen Berman on Sun, 04 Aug 2024 13:23:17 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#72389: Unfair prompts and documentation of Emergency Escape References: <87sevq9x7e.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86le1hy8jf.fsf@gnu.org> <8734nkk20m.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <865xsgsh53.fsf@gnu.org> <877ccwv8ey.fsf@gmx.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72389 Cc: 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stephen Berman > Cc: Dan Jacobson , 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 13:23:17 +0200 > > On Sun, 04 Aug 2024 13:43:04 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> From: Dan Jacobson > >> Cc: 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > >> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 18:36:57 +0800 > >> > >> >> Emacs is resuming after an emergency escape. > >> >> Auto-save? (y or n) > >> Say: Auto-save? (y or n, RET) > >> > >> >> Abort (and dump core)? (y or n) > >> Say: Abort (and dump core)? (y or n, RET) > >> > >> Also say that in (info "(emacs) Emergency Escape"). > > > > Any key except 'y' will do the same as 'n'. So we have to say > > > > Auto-save? (y or n, RET, a, b, c, d, e, f, ..., A, B, C, D, E, F,...) > > > > Right? > > > > More importantly, this text: > > > > (y or n, RET) > > > > doesn't really say what will RET do. > > Instead of asking a question, what about something like this: > > Type 'y' to auto-save. > Type 'y' to abort (and dump core). > > and perhaps adding something like "(typing any other key does nothing)" > for completeness? Or a similar or more suitable message could be > displayed on typing any other key. When someone gets presented these messages, they are panicking. They are in stress because their precious session is about to crash and they are about to lose their edits. The text we present should therefore be short, and it should be clear. It shouldn't be a legal document full of caveats and terms&conditions and other kind of lawyer style language. Now, "Auto-save? (y or n)" is short, and is clear, and tells me exactly what to do: press "y" or press "n", nothing else. Anything we add will just make it longer and harder to read in a stress and more likely to confuse. For example, "Type 'y' to auto-save." leaves me wondering what do I do if I don't want to auto-save. Why do we need to complicate this? I don't think we should. 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So they shouldn't have to go looking around their keyboard to find the "n" key, when all along any other key (except "y") would work the same, except the 'information hoarders' won't tell them that, because "Well, it doesn't matter, because they won't get burnt anyway." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 04 10:17:52 2024 Received: (at 72389) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2024 14:17:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56850 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sac3U-0000JF-4d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 10:17:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37862) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1sac3S-0000Ir-AZ for 72389@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 10:17:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sac30-0005A5-QC; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 10:17:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=7zWU5GUQyUTagdr/VwId+3a8kOHaFmj2iul3H4gxfTM=; b=Oe2pzzj71P/T f2/7X7nNIWltei2PqHKvCLv0GUlpxaA0B+15aAWYlUJDglp9Esnt741vdBkt0DQYxrOd9P8xZ1/lu PoMN7AT/BJMM1FO0wRgWJBRsT9oFxdbzqQcOqsB8GZlZ8CDiGuxCrbmw/sM1NFFRGpVp+1UcbeuSF IGQXLv4ldQlx/MXh16T7ObhVZOJMmbfywu+Iv8HUfeu2xS2GzH7LJYL2X0206OmVgMjpNFPAPYwNk x5bw5UIkgdmSdp8QU3ajKT4H1qsfXZc1OFiQzQ8OKDqiO7OH8RZIt39xzXmY+13v9v4Bop4uvbS8b NCa0TrtcjVkVYGhi3ZCw5Q==; Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 17:17:14 +0300 Message-Id: <86y15cqsnp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Dan Jacobson In-Reply-To: <87a5hs75am.3.fsf@jidanni.org> (message from Dan Jacobson on Sun, 04 Aug 2024 22:04:33 +0800) Subject: Re: bug#72389: Unfair prompts and documentation of Emergency Escape References: <87sevq9x7e.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <86le1hy8jf.fsf@gnu.org> <8734nkk20m.3.fsf@jidanni.org> <865xsgsh53.fsf@gnu.org> <877ccwv8ey.fsf@gmx.net> <86zfpsqzr4.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5hs75am.3.fsf@jidanni.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 72389 Cc: 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Dan Jacobson > Cc: Stephen Berman , 72389@debbugs.gnu.org, > rms@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2024 22:04:33 +0800 > > EZ> When someone gets presented these messages, they are panicking. > > So they shouldn't have to go looking around their keyboard to find the > "n" key, when all along any other key (except "y") would work the same, > except the 'information hoarders' won't tell them that, because "Well, > it doesn't matter, because they won't get burnt anyway." If you ever learn to give some respect to people who develop software you use, instead of considering them all imbeciles or worse -- villains ("information hoarders"), then maybe, just maybe, you will one day succeed to report real bugs or suggest useful improvements. IOW, your whole attitude needs serious adjustment. 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